[000:00:00;00] we cannot conserve tradition, we must talk about tomorrow, and those works of maria mathios, and the sweet darusia, the nation, almost never the other way around, well, i found my author, but for a long time i wanted to talk about, well, hutsulshchyna in general, and they didn't talk about nupa, about the people of bandera head-on, they didn't talk primitively, because this was often done deliberately, and on the contrary , they reflected the curiosity of young people, first of all, because we work for them, because this is our future. eh, with modern methods, in this case, in my case with modern theatrical means, to show eh these and hutsul language, and ours, ours questions related to it, and it works, and it's like how you see the paintings of the great artist now, well, these are mountains, there are all the carpathians and they are wonderful, and that's how we should be, because only conservation , well, it is very dangerous, in fact, i also think that in the 20th

century it is good. the authorities did everything to destroy hutsuls and folk crafts, when it was done by the conveyors, when it ceased to be something unique, well, i don’t know if they will give me a word there, or if we will have time until four o’clock, to close here, well, we will hand it over now word, we see, that's how nadiya makivnychuk has already prepared, the only thing i would like to note is an extremely important message, you can't work from the front in culture, we are used to working according to the good old canon, which was still in the pepper magazine, that is, the caricature must be understandable to a moron, that is, art has to fight with an ax in its hand and catch up, you see, and we have seen several very unsuccessful projects, tv projects that are humiliating for ukrainians, people wanted to do something cool, but it turned out to be a failure and that is why it was a failure, and i thank derzhepilskyi on behalf of hundreds

thousands of ukrainians who joined the high theater, so cool, and really not head-on... we have to go, let’s go back now, nadiya makivnychuk, founder of the petro shokyrykadonov museum, and here they are, and they are generally not threatened under the conditions of the beautiful globalized ukrainianism, which was very often produced in kyiv television studios, by people who had nothing in common with ukraine, there was not only savik shuster, so to speak, the only one, you know, and such a plastic ukrainian culture and a plastic... interpret that ukrainian culture by people who were simply illiterate, small-town, illiterate wage-earners who came to, well, well, the capital of the ukrainian soviet socialist republic with the name ukraine, yes, there were a lot of such things, opinion, and there are still such, and here is hutzulia under a double press, on the one hand, you cannot help but respect

what is called intra-ukrainian globalization, on the other hand, you want to preserve something of your own, so what distinguishes you, for example, from the polishchuks or from the inhabitants of the glorious kirovohrad region, when it was, when it was decentralization, in fact, when they tried to unify us, the first thing we did was they didn't allow us to unify with the kosovo community, you did it, the fact is that we lose a lot anyway. therefore, it can be said that it actually preserves our traditions, customs, our uniform, clothing, it is very valuable for us, and we faced the fact that a lot of things were already mixed up, and if we were united with kosovo, then this the moment of our identification, it would speed up, we would be united and start to get confused, so the first thing

we did - we united, our verkhoven territorial community, our people, our musicians... and public figures, we went to kyiv, to the verkhovna rada, to the administration of the president of ukraine, and with such and such our hutsul march, with trumpets , defended the right to be a separate community, that is, the culture did get in the way, i don't know about administrative imposition, so because this is one of ours, i consider it essential... to remain separate, well, maybe not even as a people, but by people who bring culture to the world, and i believe that those people, that is when the war started, people started coming to my museum, and a family from kharkov came to me, a woman with children, she said that the war would start, my husband stayed there, it was just a week before the war, i came

to verkhovyna , i want to understand how much stronger you are. you have something that we don't have, and actually during the excursion, the excursion program , she says, it reached me, now it's clear, we don't have roots, and she says that it's valuable when people know their history , know their roots, but my grandfather was hutsul, my father was hutsul and i know that my grandfather, my grandfather's parents were also born in the khutsul region, and it's not even, it doesn't depend on the land, that we were born in the khudsul region, no matter where a person was born, he should know his history, but to begin with, this person should know one's family, to know who is his, who is father, who is grandmother, for example, yesterday we watched: mykhailo kropievskyi's film about taras chubbay, this is very valuable and right at the time when people are researching their history, want to know who their ancestors are, to know their roots, to know one's strength in order to stand firm

on our feet, to know what we are fighting for, for example, if we say that there is victory , there will be victory, and what is victory for us, when everyone asks themselves this question, what is victory for me, is to defend our territorial value, integrity. integrity, yes, if each person in the family sits down for himself, writes it down, speaks and understands what victory is, and when there is this, you know, such a message to go to the world that we know what we are fighting for, we we want to preserve our culture, we want to preserve our traditions, our history, as my grandfather told me when ukraine was when it was independence day, he says that ukraine is cathedral , you know, he says what is cathedral, it means a dilemma, it is east and west, he says, we are all together, and i grew up in this spirit, and for me this history is so very precious and i'm very glad that i have the opportunity to share it, it's exciting for me,

actually, and i'm very glad to be here and i want to say that just knowing your history, your roots, knowing the history kind, accepting it, then it is normal for us to accept the world, a person who knows his kind, his culture, our history, it is rich, we are not, no, not beggars, we have nothing to be like that, we have something to bring to the world, we have something to share, so thank you, we have something to fight for, that is why this culture, it will be of course that change, we will take a lot of new things, and... but as petro shekirk-donikiv said , as long as the segutsul songs are written, as long as i write the sogutsul easter songs, as long as the sogutsul songs are sung, as long as the righteous sun will rule the world, and we will be masters

to my land, thank you, wonderful, nadiya, thank you, thank you bohdan, yes, we understand, that we have entered with this or that version of our ukrainian culture, it is not as if it is rich, on the other hand, well, that's it. certain regions of our glorious unmodelled homeland were mentioned, where there was no such pronounced cultural tradition, so we will not list them, so that god forbid we do not offend anyone, well, that is, not everyone is lucky enough to be born hutsulka or hutsol, yes, well some of its inhabitants are less, so to speak, of the carpathian regions can have a little lunch, but, bohdan, with which version of culture by us? er, society. two words from the non-hutsul minority present here, no, i still don't like hutsul, it's crazy, but the surname tikholoz is definitely not hutsul, i think that the provocative thesis of the great moderator and great provocateur borkovsky, that

there are regions in which no there was such a powerful cultural tradition, it certainly excites our discussion, but it was sounded for the purpose of reminding ourselves that in truth each of our ukrainian cultural voices had a deep tradition. another thing is that in certain regions, by force of history circumstances, political pressure and what a sin to hide, hide, military, terrorist repressions, these traditions were simply exterminated, eh, i remember the recordings of ukrainian songs from luhansk region and slobozhan region, incredible power and depth. we will not compete with the osuls . but they are not the worst, but people there forgot it, because they were starved, because they were taken to siberia, not all of them had the strength to return, and so on. i think that when we are talking now about the strength of ukrainian tradition, it is worth making three short, but very important, personally for

me, and i think, accents not only for me. i will formulate them in three words: it is the multiplicity of traditions, it is the openness of tradition, and it is the plurality of traditions. what does multifaceted tradition mean? the idea of ​​the ukrainian tradition is very often, let's be frank, simplified , primitive and superficial, it is a vyshyvanka, it can even be chinese, yes, it is a pysanka, it can even be chinese, and so on. these are several dishes, borscht, dumplings and so on, here is the whole tradition, tradition, here, what miroslava was talking about here, yes, this one this is actually an ersatz tradition, not a real tradition, ukrainian tradition is not only the tradition of the ukrainian village, yes , it is ukrainian, it is the tradition of the ukrainian city, it is the tradition of ukrainian intellectuals, the ukrainian hetmanship, the ukrainian lordship , and so on, it is a large body of many, they tried to amputate our heads so that we would be like that chicken, i'm sorry, with a severed head, we ran around and twitched for a while, but a chicken

cannot run without a head for a long time, and we are not a chicken. second, the openness of the tradition. ukrainian tradition is not is isolationist, it appeared in a constant, thousand-year dialogue with the great world tradition, primarily european. and that's why, when we talk about ukrainian culture, it's not something for home use, yes, something that existed somewhere in the middle of nowhere, it's a dialogue between hryhoriy skovoroda and socrates from the bible. with the great tradition of western philosophy, just as an example , this is ivan franko's multilingual dialogue with all his contemporaries who are worthy of this dialogue and so on, and the third point is plurality, what we started with, what the ukrainian tradition it can be hutsul, slobojan, transdnieper, taurian, polis, volhynia and so on, this is our incredible wealth, we are representatives of a great country, our identity is extremely generous and rich, and when we talk about how

interesting we can be, precisely such, precisely open, multi-tiered and multiple, and the formula of ukrainian tradition, modern, cannot be simplified, cannot be reduced to a few, even included in the unesco cultural heritage lists, external features, it is not just an ornament, it is not a decor, it is the essence, and i think that when we talk about the power of the hutsuls, it's right, for the sake of justice, so that i don't get beaten, right? what is the strength of the hutsul tradition? in the fact that in terms of shape, ornament, cross, and horned cap, yes, they have preserved the meaning and spirit and energy, and when we go to jordan to kryvorivna to father ivan rybaruk, that is to say, to kryvorivna, we are not going to not by the decorations on the clothes , you see, we go to feel how through our hands, feet and head... some such

incredible pre-christmas energy flows that we are from there we come back a thousand times stronger, this is the power of tradition, thank you, thank you bohdan, well, the true next ambassador in one or another state may be, bohdan, very cool, no no no, you will negotiate separately with the hutsuls here about the hutsul region, it is not so easy here , but returning to the ukrainian intellectual tradition that was, i will say that it is not even that it was killed, but it was even worse, it was largely... forgotten , the 18th century was completely erased from us, the 17th century was crippled by our beautiful patriotic, soviet , historians emphasize that they turned bohdan khmelnytsky into a national messiah, who only slept and saw how to save, i don't know, the suffering ukrainian peasant, and so on, that is , during the soviet period, such narratives were built, the fruits of which we are

still reaping, this is also a huge threat. misunderstanding of your past, myroslava, reflect, be kind, but to me too, for me, there are a lot of different hooks , by which, which touch me, and if possible, i will reflect, then on everything, and regarding the hutsuls too, i am here how, i will say how a representative of the transdnieper region, because i, a chiyan, but my parents are from the transdnieper region, and here i was several times a witness to the fact that when, when they go to some, in the 16th year, we are with the kyiv restaurateur dmytro borisov, who has a restaurant here white pour, you are not far away, and we opened such a gastronomic and artistic space with him, which... was called the last barricade, and

my idea was that this space would become such a modern meeting place, meetings of millennials and younger people people, and so that they can listen to these already modern ones version of ukrainian culture, so that they could hear it, and we began to invite various collectives who sang in these folk voices in dnipro me, when it starts with six voices, it's polyphonic, it's oriental, and i have the feeling that god enters the house, god enters, it starts to sing, and the feeling of god appears, and maybe someone from you are sitting now and think that i am just pathetic, this is

a pathetic description or a pathetic series, but you when you hear and see, for example, a chorea starts singing, a cossack chorea, and or from... there is another such group from gulyaihorod, they are from kirovohrad region, they also sing over it, and by the way, this is traditional singing, and i can see how different people, for whom this is all i would say now, for them it's like, well blah blah blah blah, talk, talk, and suddenly i see how these people pull out, immediately start filming to record it, they don't know how to catch, how to explain, how to describe everything they feel, like that girl, yes who was crying, and they start, they feel this, this power. this folk folk song, about, about how it, how to show it, and popularize it, for me, it is very revealing how , say, dach doter or dach abraga works, here they are traditional, yes, they come to us in

the house and carol the traditional carol, and here it is once and already, in a few minutes, it is already a cabaret. and once and for all, this is already some completely different sound, and it is worth showing, and it looks very interesting, we can see how they are perceived in the west, but in relation to that, i will reflect one more thing, how is it, how can we go to the world with this, look, in the 1990s, 1990, oksana pakhlivska wrote a book called ave europe, maybe some of you have seen and read this book, and there is a chapter in this book, i remind you, the year 90 , which is called starting from the ruins of the cosmodrome, and it writes about the fact that, look, people, let's go quickly, we are now interesting to the world, after the collapse of the soviet union, after independent ukraine, let's quickly create cultural institutions, let's quickly create departments ukrainian studies, let's do

translations quickly, we need to do it very quickly, friends, we have a very small window of opportunity, let's do it quickly, and imagine, 30 years are passing, now 30 years are passing. we continue to talk about it, yes , how should we present it, show it, the orange revolution, 2004 , the so-called national-democratic forces are winning, yes, ours are winning, so what do you think, in the back in rome, berlin, paris , ukrainians organize, svetlykas, ukrainian svetlykas, with towels, with ceramics, and so on, svetlykas, cultural centers. this is at a time when the russians, these powerful platforms are creating their own cultural centers in every small village, and i am not talking about the academic world. if you ask me, yes, how many, how many departments were born, yes, in western universities, how many departments of ukrainian studies

were established even after the 22nd year, after the full-scale invasion, i don't know, that means, yes. this means that what is impossible , obviously, it is a very difficult, difficult task, departments, it is all born for decades, so, let's say, what, what we see now, there are departments of ukrainian studies, or institutes of ukrainian studies, this was born a decade ago, this is a lost time, and therefore, when we now talk about what the russians have there, yes, they have, they are read, they are discussed, they, they entered, they established themselves in the western mind, in the western academy. in the western intellectual world, they are so entrenched because they understood the last 30 years and another 100 years before that, since the time of the white migration, they understood what culture is, and we wanted to block the need to

to show what our culture is and what i am and with this unfortunate journey, not unfortunate, brilliant actually, the shadows of forgotten ancestors, but we just took them to every festival, because because that's how it was, firecrackers, ceramics, dumplings and shadows of the forgotten ancestors, i am saying it very now, very rudely, on purpose, yes, there are many moments, but now to hope that suddenly our luminaries will turn into some ukrainian studies studios is very naive, these are very long processes, very long processes, translations as well, and translations are not random, as is happening now, and the translations of the classics are ours, because the west does not know our classics, the west knows dostoevsky, but does not know... ours, our svidzinsky. the west knows, the silver age, but it does not know the shot revival of both pydhogylny and antonych, does not know, does not know, because. it is not translated, and if it is not translated, then it does not exist, and therefore we should hope now that the window

, the window is small, is now open again for us, but for now the armed forces of ukraine are showing the world who we are, and not sorry culture now, thank god, the institute has opened, the ukrainian institute in berlin and the ukrainian institute is working here, but the ukrainian institute could not implement 20 large-scale projects last year. precisely because it is not funded, that is, the authorities obviously do not understand how important this culture is, i will just say the last sentence, that the people who are now making decisions in the west, political decisions, to give or not to give us weapons, to give or not give us humanitarian aid or money, these people will learn about ukraine and about russia in universities, in departments, in eastern studios, and in fact, if we are not present there, then for these people who later become

politicians, yes, actually british , french, german, american politicians, they will learn from our voice about our history and about our position, how important is it? thank you myroslav, a brilliant, brilliant remark, well, paraphrasing the classics, our main problem now, as i see it, is not even whether we are going to tut about pushkin or some other, god forgive, dostoyevsky, no, now we still have another problem, because the answer here is obvious about pushkin, and how should we deal with the celans, how should we deal with the schultzes, and why have they not yet penetrated so deeply into us, to take the public discourse, that is, about pushkin in we are ready, but they are not, but that is the topic of a separate discussion, we have, well, how many minutes left, rosyslav dorilskyi. in fact, also for the sake of justice , i will say that i am not a pure hutsul and my

surname is not hutsul either, yes, my father is from lviv region, in fact, and my mother is a pure hutsul, but surely there is such a secret in this too, that having impure hutsul blood, well, you are something big, visible from a distance, that's why love is so strong. if we have so little time, then, i am told, somewhere they said in an interview that i hutsulized our theater, somewhere frankivsk and i am trying to hutsulize the ukrainian theater as well, well, i say, this is my personal matter, i do what i want, but in reality about what we need to do, miroslava correctly said that then, well, in fact, we missed that window of opportunity, and now, in my opinion, each of us must realize that this is our may be the last. a window of opportunity and we have no right to lose it at all, but every ukrainian should know that i have no right to lose today, everyone is in their

place, this is a window of opportunity and do everything in their place so that there is a faster victory and about ukraine, finally, unfortunately, because of such tragic events , the whole world already knows about it, that's how i try to act, i caught myself thinking that the war, of course, but in six months. starting in may and ending in september, well, i was in eight countries, i'm already tired of going abroad, but i constantly force myself to do it, because i know that now we just have to shout constantly, wherever we can, about what ukraine is like, what problems we have, what kind of tsiasian horde is this and so on, and so on, and art, in general, theater in particular has a truly unique opportunity in this, because we very often, well, art, culture, in general, again theater, has the opportunity and

ability to act, sometimes not only mentally, but subconsciously, emotionally, and when a person, about that famous catharsis that we we know that from the greeks, it turns out differently, i have now adopted a strategy such that we invite european directors who are already working in our country and are currently directing, i ask them to stage... well, the works of their peoples, their nations, but in this way they get to know each other with our cultural center, with our theater, they are delighted with ukraine, with the ukrainian theater, which we were also constantly told that we are second-rate and so on, but also one of the most interesting things is how they see our ukrainian drama, including the classics , and i ask them to bet, because they suddenly see completely something else, in us, that we no longer see for ourselves, and this. well, it turns out very cool results and that's all about tomorrow, so if we are vyakarpattia, we

are pro-hutsul region, i, for my part, try to... do everything so that hutsul, hutsul culture, tradition is not censored, and we watched not only yesterday , not even today, but about tomorrow, and we have to think about it, from my side, it is extremely important, so from the other side, we understand, well , what hutsul is not, you know, not a dream of saints who sit in a row , you understand, only they begin to analyze parajanov's works, no, they sit very often on mopeds, drink a beer of obolon or something like that, talk among themselves, smoke some... cigarettes and so on, that is, this is a living life, yes, which is now changing, and and now i will ask nadiya makivnychuk to tell me about it, but before nadiya tells what the modern and current utsuliya her culture is, i would like to thank the wonderful organizations that helped us, so the forum is being held with the financial support of the ukrainian cultural foundation, thank you ukrainian

cultural fund and also with the support of the international revival fund. thank you uklinna, you are really well done, you are doing a very necessary job, and the literary and artistic meeting slovo was financially supported by the ukrainian book institute. we are extremely grateful to him for this too. so, the word of maria makivnychuk, we have 3 minutes left. regarding culture, modern present, hutsul culture. ah, i would like to say a few more words. to famous people, whom we should also bring to the world, because when i opened the pyotr shikrik donykkov museum, i was asked what this such, no, people did not know that it was such a pet petroshyk, in order to bring this culture of famous people to the world, we ourselves must know them, we must understand them , put monuments somewhere or there,

the boards, so that we ourselves know and appreciate these people who... made our culture great, then we will be able to carry it to the world, value it, love it , and the world will then accept it. regarding our culture in the hutsul region, there is an education system , which you want to change, people are actually very flexible, yes, they want to learn, our young people are very loves and appreciates our traditions, sundays, go to church, we honor holidays, we have thunder holidays, we fast, we... believe in god, and thanks to such a firm faith, faith in god, there is such a certainty that ukraine will win, even if it will be very difficult, but it is thanks to faith in god that a lot of things are solved, and that is why, er , we wear hutsul clothes, on christmas holidays, on easter

holidays, holidays, we carry this whole culture, we value it , love, spread. and the youth as well, they spread this culture, we support the youth we also support various initiatives, forums, all events that take place here in the hutsul region, this is very valuable, thank you. thank you to nadia makivnychuk, thank you to myroslava barchuk, thank you to rostyslav derzypilsky, and thank you, of course, to bohdan the technologist , we were working now, trying to understand the colossal problems, even in the globalized world, and nadia makivnychuk now said an extremely important phrase: yes, faith in god, it is inherent in ukrainian people, and very often, well, we become victims of what was the biggest threat, in particular of the so-called russian world, it is about the nihilism that they implemented, nihilism was actually a terrible phenomenon, 100 years ago ksions zalevsky wrote a huge

study about the threat of russian nihilism, not only. russian, well, now i 'm finishing and handing over the floor to my colleagues, you listened to another important panel of the future ukrainian traditions in the global world conference. it's 4 p.m. in ukraine, and we have a news release on the espresso tv channel in the studio of iryna koval. greetings to all viewers. during the day, the russians struck kherson again, fired from of the temporarily occupied left bank, were hit near one of the markets. it is known in advance about two wounded, but the information is still being clarified, the military administration noted. and the russians killed an 11-year-old