[000:00:00;00] increases, the focus of attention of our partners may be deconcentrated, then the question arises, what priorities should ukraine form in these conditions in relations with partners, and it is possible to add to some measures of its own direction, which would not depend on what wishes or visions our partners, by the way, you have raised a very important issue and a very urgent issue, because we cannot constantly live, let's say, on a needle from our partners in the context of arming military equipment. stay, and the partners also perfectly understand that they have their own interests, their own opportunities, and they also have to cover their own needs, and that is why in ukraine it is very important and very relevant for ukraine, this is the development of the defense-industrial complex, separately, in general, the security sector and defense, if we simply talk about the defense-industrial complex, then this is production and try to move as much as possible in the direction that we should be minimally dependent on partners for key

samples. military equipment, okay, we are there we receive f16, but we must understand that service, repair, equipment, we can do in ukraine, if we are talking about ammunition of different calibers, then of course, again, a relevant and important issue is the creation of an entire line of ammunition that will be manufactured in in ukraine, or in neighboring countries, or by creations through the creation of separate enterprises or joint enterprises or the creation of separate enterprises on the territory of ukraine or outside of it, we must equip our capabilities to the maximum, and this is very ... relevant, you see yakraskrava the situation with israel , when all the experts started talking about the fact that the united states will divert attention to israel, it will not be able to provide both countries with weapons, and the united states officially had to make an official statement, saying that we are able to help both israel and ukraine , but nevertheless, the precedent itself is evidence that we have to pay attention to this, we have to prepare for what can happen at any moment in such a way that the united

states will have its own needs and we we understand what they may arise and in what region of the world, and we should prepare for this already yesterday, as they say, not not not tomorrow, not the day after tomorrow, already yesterday, it is good that within the framework of the recently held ramsteim, just you raised the question of strengthening ukraine's capabilities, and precisely under this question is hidden the aspect of strengthening defense and industrial capabilities so that we can manufacture the left part of armed military equipment in ukraine to equip our defense forces, mr. anton, you have close contacts for different enterprises of our defense industry, you also have contacts with foreign companies that are already working in our market or are trying to cooperate, which specific problems or areas require such special attention from our authorities, the ministry of defense, so that the short-term or long-term effectiveness is good the most productive, what prevents us from working even more efficiently than we have been working

so far? look, we actually have: a key point, well two, several key points, let's say, there's a defense industry, we know very well that in ukraine it is still divided into private and public segments, if the private segment , in principle, it tries to develop independently, including by developing its own capabilities, both on its own and in partnership with others countries, there are a number of private companies in ukraine that already have contracts and memoranda regarding cooperation with partners abroad, this greatly strengthens the capabilities of our defense. industrial complex. the second point, cooperation too the private sector, er, the defense sector in ukraine with foreign companies, again, the private sector is flexible enough, and it is able, in particular, to adapt to the repair of the military equipment that is supplied to us by our partners, the same ones, let's say , radio-electronic reconnaissance equipment, radio-electronic warfare equipment, equipment, other military equipment, the same artillery pieces, rocket systems of volley fire, that is

, the repair of... this equipment, this can also be a key part that should be directed at and the state and private sector, of course, but creating conditions at the legislative level for these enterprises to work effectively is a very important point, because it is easier for a foreigner to find a common language with the private sector, it is easier to develop, if we talk about the state segment, we have been saying for many years about the reform of ukrobronprom, about its shareholding, yes, a certain process has begun, but again it is taking a long time, the public sector must be shareholding, there must be a joint-stock company, we must allow the opportunity for our foreign partners to buy a share of these joint-stock companies of the state segment in order to generate internal funds that could be invested in the development of production and in the development of the creation of new models of military equipment, that is, a process, to put it simply, a process er, renewal of the state sector of the defense-industrial complex, it is

very... relevant and still remains, and we should bring it quickly enough, let's say at the moment that satisfied our partners and killed enough flexible for the state itself, because this potential is quite large, which is still not fully used , regarding the creation of joint ventures for the state segment, the same issue has been discussed many times so that our state enterprises have the opportunity to create joint ventures with foreign companies , again the process of corporatization here rests on one of such key points, this is again the creation of corporations, joint-stock companies, and it must be moved from this point, which it is now it is happening, it is happening, but slowly, it needs to be accelerated, and again, if we talk about normatively. this is definitely precisely the creation of joint ventures with foreign partners, the creation of the most adaptive conditions for investments, protection of these investments, verification of control over these investments so that they are aimed directly at the creation of new models

of armed military equipment, that is, there are certain problems, and i see that they are moving, but again, it is desirable that there were movements much faster, i listened to you carefully, i had the following question during the campaign . there, the strict management system of the formation of the military economy, which has not yet started in our country, could be more productive, these two realities, can they really be combined in ukraine, because one option is market, the other, let’s say, is such a strict management that has a greater effect on in your opinion, where should we now make the main emphasis? difficult question, you know, but nevertheless, i'm more pro-market, i'm more pro-market, because the market dictates, and the market definitely, and now we're at war, and

definitely, look, the private sector, i'll give you a prime example, some private sector enterprises, which were engaged in one direction, now in these conditions are engaged in a completely different direction, and foreign partners are primarily in contact with them. conventionally speaking, there is an m113 armored personnel carrier, which the partners there handed over to us, is a private a sector that has already been adamant to repair, and already foreigners , the same americans agree to provide opportunities to develop in this private sector, these private companies will continue to repair these american cars, and what do we say about the public segment, the state segment is currently more focused on the repair and restoration of that military equipment of the ministry of defense of soviet production, which was modernized during the time of ukraine. but what to say about foreign samples, what to say about those the samples that are supplied to us by private companies, that's another point, and yes, you have raised an important , relevant, topical issue about the need for a hard vertical, but a hard vertical in a wartime environment is needed to

regulate the rules of the game and the rules of the market, and these rules of the game were followed by both the state and private segments, and the rigid vertical, okay, tomorrow we make tanks for 50 tanks, all the way forward everyone... this is a completely different thing, it works differently in life, as they say, to us it seems so, the state knows that 50 tanks, 100 bmps, 100 artillery systems, artillery systems, 300 salvo missile systems are needed, here is the state defense order, okay, let's go , let's work, this and that enterprise will fulfill, and why, maybe one enterprise from these enterprises will perform better than another enterprise, the main thing for the state is to create the conditions for this market to be regulated independently, the state must in the rest... adopt a normal program for the development of armed military equipment so that everyone in ukraine and abroad understands, okay, in ukraine, although it is at war, wants to switch completely to leopard-2 tanks in three years , okay, we want, we want to switch completely to f16 aircraft in 5 years, okay, we will use

the m113, drive, who will repair, which state the defense of the order, here the state must specifically and clearly say and control so that it is observed and implemented for several years to come, not two or three years, much more. this is an important point from the point of view of control in the conditions of war, well, that is, in fact, we have to talk about the fact that despite the conditions of war, we have to introduce market mechanisms that will be understandable to europeans, if, if we are talking about the fact that we have to buy 1000 new bmps, then we have to announce a tender, determine the price parameters of this tender, invite potential partners and then on normal market tender conditions to start creating... our new component of our defense industry for the production of bmps, this is what it looks like, if we don't do it, yes, look, we'll just come to it anyway, we'll come to it anyway, we

've identified ourselves with the western community, the western community works and acts according to its own rules, which are defined there, and sooner or later, as we did not struggle there, we argued, but sooner or later we will be forced to borrow the mechanisms that exist there, and sooner or later we will play by these rules of the game, they are transparent enough. yes, we can not say let's say open tender there, we can close closed to make this tender, but we just have to decide, okay, guys, we have the rules of the game, we accept these rules of the game, we operate within the framework of these rules, we will try to comply with them, but remember, we have a war, we will be tougher, more specific and more demanding that it all be followed both by our partners and by us, and this is one moment, another moment, once again, transparency is important for our partners, because the russian federation , using its narratives, will constantly talk about the fact that ukraine is a corrupt country, everything is stolen there, that ukraine resells, and the more transparent we are

with our partners, the more, i emphasize, to our partners , it is not necessary to be transparent to the russian federation, there is no need to be at all, i am talking about our partners, the more we will instill trust in our partners, now we are emotionally in their minds, in their minds, we still have practically to prove that we are in their minds, mr. antony, thank you very much for your expert comments, i hope that these approaches are related to the combination of market conditions and conditions, after all, we will be balanced in the decisions of our authorities, i will remind our viewers that my the interlocutor was anton mikhnenko, a military expert on security and technology issues. and then we continue our program after a short informational pause and we will talk about what other conclusions we have to draw from the hostilities in israel, which are extremely useful for strengthening our defense and military potential. more on that in

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adjust our defense-industrial or military priorities in the context of our war with the russian federation. and now oleksandr los is joining us. doctor of technical sciences in the field of aerospace, developer of a bodyless fighter and a number of other aviation projects. mr. oleksandr, glad to see and hear. dear sergeovich, i am very glad to see you, thank you for the invitation. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, even though you are in bed today, which is very unusual to see, after the unity with which we have repeatedly appeared on the air, i would like you to ask, in the context of what is happening in israel, you are now ... still actively analyzing hostilities in different countries, what equipment is used, what weapons are used by the russian federation and other countries, and so i would like to hear from you what we have to draw conclusions from the first stage of the military campaign that is currently taking place in israel, around israel, what is important that we have

to distinguish from those approaches that this country uses in the fight against its enemies, you know, i want to start my comment with with gratitude, i see the signature under us, the war will be global, how ukraine should prepare for it, this is a continuation of the words, comments of the very calm, professional, professional lieutenant general kyryl budanov, the head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, and all that we see our regional, the so-called regional war, the ukrainian-russian war, or the events that are currently taking place in the middle east in general, one way or another, for today, they are all a continuation of those textbook operations that took place in in the middle east in the early 90s, i always give a textbook example for aviators, first of all, and for

specialists of the so-called joint operations, it is that one way or another, any serious breakthrough operation begins with an air defeat , first of all, it is by means of air delivery of ammunition, then they are connected, missile troops and the ground component must move in the future, this is the logic that applies to ukraine, what are the conclusions from this, unfortunately, due to the insufficient number and even insufficient the quality of the aviation means of destruction available in ukraine is still today, we are still waiting for american or some other models, serious fighter aircraft, operational-tactical aircraft, well , first of all, of course, it is about the fact that the most

air force today f16 planes are expected, we have talked about it several times, at the moment, well, if you ask me, as always a person who systematically approached, and we also talked about this literally... a short comment that we have structured the policy in ukraine in such a way that first, we will get a simpler aircraft from a technical point of view, although the f16 has its own characteristics, and then we will move on to heavy ones, thank you, f15, and, but i want to emphasize always, and for the specialists of my colleagues in the field of the military, i always emphasized on of the need for f-15i aircraft, i.e. multi-purpose aircraft capable of air... foreign operations, is also the same aircraft, but the f16 is lighter. the amount of weapons that can be carried by the f-15i is almost one and a half times greater than on the f-16, and including, as noted by one of air force pilots f15 and has, the f15

as such has a much larger combat radius than the f16, and including, and i'm glad to hear that those. the thoughts that i was expressing in relation to the concept that i was laying out, our unmanned fighter, one, that's exactly what it is first of all, it's the air component of air and missile defense, that is, the aircraft is a platform for anti-aircraft missiles, ranging from simple barrage munitions like shahedov and complex cruise missiles or even, sometimes you can already think about interception of ballistic missiles. so... to sum up what i 've said, aviation is an absolutely necessary and almost essential component to support, to begin even ground operations. operations, if we talk about ukraine, will liberate our territories, why our military and political leadership constantly emphasizes

the need to obtain aircraft, regardless of the year of the appearance of the platform, but aircraft that are equipped with modern and ultra-modern weapons, intelligence and weapons systems, that is, detection systems goals, aiming and delivery, combat unit in various ways. be it anti-aircraft missiles or already so-called winged bombs or as they are called smart bombs or shielding bombs and so on, because unfortunately, despite the fact that the su-27 aircraft is comparable as an aerodynamic object, as just as an aircraft, i compare it with the f15 aircraft that we see on the screen, but the weapon systems that our aircraft in ukraine, the su-27 and 29, are equipped with, they are two generations behind what is on combat duty in the united states of america and too big

pity the russian federation. mr. alexander, i would like to take a step back and ask you the following question: why did it happen that when we talk about airplanes, we tried to supply them to iran, when we talk about long-range systems of the thunder complex , we somehow found something else in... saudi arabia, as well as with planes for saudi arabia. and the question arises whether we have, why this happened, and secondly, whether we now have the time, potential, opportunities to develop powerful projects with the right countries, and do you have a feeling that we are still moving in that direction? well, here it is necessary, at your words, to recall the statement of the president of the potmak foundation, philip karber, remember, at the beginning of this year, who said that you ukrainians say that we, the united states, do not give you enough, but you yourself have nothing

they didn't do it so that you could have it all yourself, as my great-grandfather used to say, when the kombidoks came to him to uncork and told the grandfather to give the ax, he said, that's my ax, where's your ax, that's how things are, and in ukraine continues, unfortunately, continued until the beginning of this russo-ukrainian phase of the war, which has been going on for centuries, let's be honest about it. to say why this happened, you know, once i was already asked such a question, and not only to me, but also to other former heads of the antonov state enterprise, after all, it was, well, i don't want to say military, it was a political, political choice of the then leadership already independent ukraine, anyway at that time, you know how an aircraft carrier cannot be deployed on the spot, how can it be done with a formula 1 car, it will still inertially move along its set course

for a very long time and will probably turn around in 20 minutes somewhere, that is how it was with our country, the same mental attitude that many specialists of the special services who are even still in in the service, my peers, here we are, who are now 45, in the early 90s they were taught that who is our main enemy, it is the united states after all, bullshit. some representatives who lead something somewhere lived and even still live with such a mental attitude. fortunately, this one is already ours the military-political situation, first of all the military one, has so far removed the masks from all the actors in this world, and fortunately i can already say that even i, i am proud of it, what concerned my... zone of responsibility of the csp antonov, i managed, even putting my career on the line, to stop

the squandering , squandering and treasonous transfer of intellectual property assets to various countries that do not support ukraine today, i expressed myself very delicately, sorry, i can't say more, even wearing now, being in traveling in civilian clothes. then i will still ask about antonov, do you have the feeling that there are projects on the same antonov there or in other branches of the ukrainian defense industry, which in cooperation with european, american, german, french partners are really starting to create samples , which really ensure the strengthening of our defense industrial potential and create new competencies there, which we have to acquire in partnership precisely with our adequate countries, i was pleased to read the news recently that

dppnov has finally joined one well-known european military-technical association, that is, it is still moving in the right direction, which i managed to set, well , including me, for development specifically, if we talk about dpp, well, we see that in other projects, in other related industries, i hope that the same thing happens in the rocket industry , because if we talk about the production that was invented at the very beginning, then after all , for ukraine, even i, being primarily an aviator in aeross, that is, aviation -space technologies. i still am i will say that yes, ukraine, first of all, should focus on the development, co-development with the united states, with european colleagues, of anti-missile defense systems, and i constantly emphasize this, anti-missile defense, that is, defense against ballistic

missiles, high-speed hypersonic missiles. i will remind everyone that along the border. ukraine promised us to place 96 launchers of the iskander complexes, this is 96 multiplied by two, because in each iskander ground launcher there are two missiles, not one, as it was in point in previous projects, such as the scud, which, by the way, the russian federation again transferred to iran, now it is trying to get them from there already under the guise of iranian technology, so with regard to ukraine, we need to... focus on the systems anti-missile defense against and then anti-aircraft defense, well, as an element of anti-aircraft defense and, to a lesser extent , anti-missile defense, we must develop our own fighter projects, not forgetting in any case that we must receive very a significant assortment and nomenclature of equipment from our western colleagues, partners in the now

global coalition. mr. oleksandr, you said: first of all, anti-missile and anti-aircraft defense as a basic priority, and what else, relatively speaking, would you add in this priority chain in order to choose certain such, well, focusing our efforts there on the short-term, medium-term perspective, and what else about ippo? yes, thank you for that hint, indeed, i always, you know, like in a market economy, with any stock quotes there, if there is already a lot of talk about something and it is already in the press , then it is probably too late to bet on it, i am not saying that it is not necessary to be late, so this is something that is little talked about in our country or not talked about at all, i want to remind everyone about this, in

including, based on achievements in the field of physics, the nobel prize already for 2023, it again related to the quantum ones that will be used in the data transmission system, quantum computing and the like, it is notorious, i use the word proverbial specifically, because there is a lot of talk about it in the west, the so-called artificial mind or artificial intelligence artificial intelligence, the components of which are hardware and software complexes, there is hardware and there is software, that is, the hardware part, that is... it is microprocessor technology, ultra-high-power, electronic memory for computers computers, and in the future also quantum technologies, i.e. optoelectronic computers, ultra-high-power in terms of computing power, so for example, er, who is the trendsetter in this field in europe, it is claimed

in the press that it is, for example, denmark , who would have thought, really, why, for example, the netherlands, the most famous manufacturer of microprocessor technology in europe, no, it is denmark, focused on issues of quantum technologies, so ukraine, which has , remember, i once showed even our historical achievement of the ukrainian encyclopedia of cybernetics of the first world back in 1973, we must remember that we are first of all a nation of mathematicians, and only thanks to mathematics and its various applied applications in in various fields, it is possible to hold some, i am not saying, let alone primacy, but to be on a level in the world with highly developed, economically highly developed nations and scientifically and technologically highly developed nations, so in the short term, i would strengthen the study of mathematics in the english language, by