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the air of the tv channel, the studio program. we will analyze the most important events of this week. our guests today: roman bezsmertnyi and andrii piontkovskyi. our first guest is the iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat roman bezsmertny. glory to ukraine, mr. roman. glory to heroes. well, israel and an attack by arab terrorists on the state of israel. what do you think and who is behind it and what scenario could be unfolding. now we understand that the american aircraft carrier group has approached the edges of the near east. we understand that president biden gave a very clear signal, your version of how things will develop? objectively, if you evaluate the situation, then there is a profitable buyer in it, one, this is a moscow futer, or he has one road, or he is pushing for a world war, and he is

then a full participant, a player, and in the end, sit down with him table negotiations, or the fate of milosha awaits him. and quite fast. to date, the facts have already been proven that the trainers of private armies, including the wagnerites, trained hamas, and the drones, partly the missiles , were supplied by iran, the political leadership, the development of the operation was carried out with the participation of the general staff of russia and the general staff of iran, technical support for electronic equipment was provided china, and the arguments related to these three components, i.e. material and technical equipment, and the preparation and planning of the operation, the further it will be

the more the situation develops, the more these facts will come to the surface, moreover, iran, as it alone represents this axis of evil. the world, he carries the coordination for a simultaneous strike from six positions, that is, hamas from the south, hezbollah from the north, then islamic jehat from the territory of syria, then the beginning of the uprising in east jerusalem, the next is on the west bank of the jordan river , this is the fifth. and also, raising an uprising in tel aviv, all these directions, as we can see, they were implemented, but with partial achievements of the set goal. in this

wild course of events, things that need special attention were missed, in particular somewhere in opi. when hanya spoke as the leader of hamas, he clearly declared that our goal is the liberation of jerusalem, that is, in fact, we were talking about the destruction of the state of israel. as you understand, even when declaring an intifada, hamas did not resort to such political statements, that is, it is obvious that, let's say, such statements were made possible by the enormous material, financial, advisory, tactical assistance and the training was provided by those whom i named, i'm not talking about what, well, let's at least

pay attention, the attack began from the air, and it consisted of two things, which is missile strikes and hang gliders, powered hang gliders, and drones , the attack began from the sea, small structures that tried to reach the shore, they were simply destroyed, and the israeli ships that were on the raid, i’m not saying that the least in this situation israel expected an attack on the gas sector, let me explain , why? every day to the territory up to 25, on some days, up to 3,000 workers left israel for the gas sector, and it is precisely this age that is the most productive, it is 25-40 years old, and it is no coincidence that we see militants in white toyotas, in civilian clothes.

these are disguises, well, it’s actually them and them, that is, we see a construction, in fact, that copies crimea, aggression in the donbass, and so on, so everywhere you look here , everywhere you look, either moscow’s, or iran’s, or in terms of technical support, chinese . mr. roman, that is, there was coordination between several states, yes the so-called axis of evil, yes, you listed them, and what was the goal, that is, as far as i understand it, not only the overthrow of the state of israel as such, not only the creation of a massacre there and the corresponding political military crisis, maybe they hoped that it would be possible to raise the degree to level of world war iii, although there is a sense that we may indeed be on the brink of it, i don't know if in a previous conversation when we spoke with you, i quoted rice from the floor of the general assembly, where he said that there are a number of states which i will offer...' an alternative path to the democratic and liberal path. and

actually, here is the realization, the beginning of the realization of this goal. the fact that now another mistake is being made that we will now give everything to israel and israel will solve this problem in a few days is a mistake. what started is the same as the war and aggression against ukraine, it is a long-term thing, and now, iran is storming hezbollah, jihad, syria, including jordan, even to give territory, because they are already demanding that missed the yemeni houthis to let the taliban out of afghanistan, and sooner or later, in a direct way, these states are neighboring, or by plane, it will be delivered.

or to the territory controlled by hezbollah in lebanon, or to the territory of egypt, which they are attacking, or to the territory of syria, and so on, and what worries me most now is the shaky position of turkey and saudi arabia and qatar, who are we for palestine , and this, well, first of all, palestine and hamas and hezbollah are not the same thing, this must be clearly understood, it is far from... not the same thing, because the gaza sector is not was controlled by the palestinian government, it was controlled by the terrorist organization hamas, just as the south of lebanon is not controlled by the lebanese government , it is controlled by hezbollah, this must be clearly understood, that is, we have enclaves that today have become places from which israel is attacked, from here, when the moscow fuhrer says that there is only one solution to the issue: it is the implementation of the un resolution of 1948 there

, he is lying, because this decision is not recognized by hamas, it is not recognized by hezbollah, it is not recognized by palestine, so what is he talking about speaks, that is, he kind of fools the whole world, he thinks that no one understands this, in fact, both the moscow führer and all these fundamentalists of iran and china are pushing today... inflame this war, this terrorist act, so that he , like the situation in the world, reached the level of first continental conflicts, and then a global war, i have no doubt about it, because it is clearly due to these actions of coordination, because the terrorists did not have time to reach these 13 cities, as the statements appeared from tehran, from qatar, saudi arabia, syria, that is.

it is clear that the situation was being prepared, it was working, on the second day there were organized rallies in more than 48 states , when i am told about such things, i perfectly understand that what was carried out, what was implemented in this terrorist, barbaric attack , well, this is at least a quarter, or even less than a quarter of what was planned, roman petrovich, if we are talking about the reaction of the united states, it is clear, concrete. and as far as i understand, uncompromising. at the same time, the united states, in particular president joseph biden, is now trying to connect three aid packages in one. in particular, it is about aid for the state of israel, for ukraine and attention for taiwan. in the current situation , there is no doubt that it will be a joint package. the second is that he will be voted. what's more, i can tell you that it will even hit the trumpists very hard, because they are in an idiotic situation right now. they cannot block aid to israel and taiwan,

because it is in their interest, including the economic one. but now it turned out that ukraine has taiwan. and israel has one enemy, you understand what the situation is, and this friendship of the trumpists with the führer of moscow, it becomes an obstacle, a very serious one, so it is obvious that, firstly, it guarantees that the package will be voted, it is obvious from my point of view, secondly, that it is very serious will affect the course of domestic politics in the united states, including...' on the arrangement of persons, including this will affect the election of the chairman of the house of representatives, which is to be held, candidates are already allegedly nominated there by republicans and so on, that is, in fact, well, it the case when they say happiness and unhappiness would not have helped,

you know, this war, because this is not just a terrorist attack, it is a war. and this should be treated as such, because according to what is happening, because it was planned , it is not just what happened before, they ran, shot, ran away, well, some of them got caught, from here the plan is clearly being followed, a large-scale operation has been developed and so on, so from my point of view, it's unfortunate, and this tragedy, and this barbaric attack, it's actually, very seriously going to help come... to the hearts of many who are sick in the united states congress and more certain dreams there that somehow it will be possible to settle, to settle this situation here, and the actions, including those of the israeli government, they clearly show that all these statements that

trump's entourage sounded there, they are absurd, absolutely, or that what happened... in israel, russia, iran, and china are directly related to it. how far will the united states be forced to go now, i emphasize the word forced, yes, because we understand that there was a premonition that perhaps the israeli front would slightly overshadow the front of the russian-ukrainian war. president biden tied three knotty problems into one package: russian aggression, israel and taiwan. first of all, don't be delusional, secondly, forgive me, because i'm putting it this way, i haven't honed these things yet, what we're seeing now is for these human monsters who write about what, we don't know what happened in ukraine for 10 years, here in two days, such a nightmare, well, because you don't know, because you are raging, you

should have wiped your skin, and in the end you will see what is happening in ukraine, and that what... is happening now in israel, this is the 10th year is happening in ukraine, in different numbers, in different arrays and so on, and the scale of the nightmare that is happening in ukraine, they exaggerate a hundred times what is happening in israel, but i do not measure myself now by the number of tragedies, i say once again, i just now on the move with you, and i am trying to find, well, a normal wording of these things that lie on the surface, they just need to be seen, pay attention to them, i will only quote analysts , presenters who say yes, what you saw now in israel, has been happening every day in ukraine for many years now a true phrase that actually corresponds to what is happening, now, what should

be focused on, not on measuring what brought more grief... russia, iran with china, ukrainians, or jews, now the focus should be on how to unite efforts, further, use these efforts competently on the battlefield in ukraine, in israel and prevent the emergence of new flames of war, because what i am telling you about, if iran succeeds now with russia, china, they will engage in large-scale actions in the north , that is, where hezbollah will be drawn into this by lebanon, and israel will have nowhere to go but shelling the territory of lebanon, further, if there will be... units that are located in the territory of syria of all these jihadist organizations, this means that israel will have to fire back, i am not talking about issues related to the jordanians and so

on, because at the end of the day, well, i don't know if the audience knows this, but the palestinians are considered de facto subjects of the monarch of jordan, and if that's another thing that's not distinguished now, and hamas is taken for palestine, and... for hamas, it will become whole and there will be battles along the perimeter of israel, well, you perfectly understand what this is will de facto develop into the third world war, and here it must be understood that the war in ukraine and israel are two wars that testify to the fact that the world order, shvah, has already sunk into the past, and these two wars, and for for them to establish a new world order, unfortunately, it happened in the next one, so that the next world order has to go through a war,

local, continental and global, and only then it will become clear, this should be understood, including in washington and not only in washington, because after closing the topic of the debacle, he became aggressive the aggressor in ukraine and in israel, we can talk... about the convening of an international conference on the idea of ​​a new world order, i am now most concerned about whether people in brussels and washington are ready to understand what you and i are talking about now, because if we don't concentrate our efforts now and deal a blow against this evil, which is acting in ukraine on the part of the russian aggressor and there in israel on the part of iran, because what. is happening in israel , you can clearly call iran an israeli war, then this is all tied to palestine, that's all, that

all diabolical things, this is just an irano, israeli war, where russia and china are fighting on the side of iran, well, you see, there would be no iranian drones, if it were not for chinese programs, chinese semiconductors, chinese components, i am not talking about metals, well, no one is talking about it now, from here it is obvious that the topic of the decision on the allocation of aid, and if they understand it, i hope that they understand it, because well, i managed to read the latest materials, analytical notes that go from even former advisors, bush, carter, clinton , who actually dealt with the issue of the middle east, where they... insist that america should consider the war in ukraine, the war in israel, and taiwan as a single front and

understand that on the other side is russia, iran and china. if this happens, then we can hope for systematic , long-term help, because well, you pay attention, we hear the same sounds, in ukraine, we will help israel as much as we need, as much as we need, we will help as much as we need. the general filling formula may be different, yes, we are now, i think you also analyzed the aid package that was discussed at the next ramstein, and we did not see there, extremely important, the reinforcement of armored groups, in particular, the increase in the number of abrams, there were no atakams and issues with aviation, let it be the same f -16, it is next on the agenda. that is, the matter is not developing quickly, the issue of dynamics is a key issue, in particular, when it comes to aid , because it will affect the winter campaign as well, of course, this factor is at work, and you

are right about this, because now the dynamics are very important, at the same time, you and i think so, but in brussels, we are convinced that , on the contrary, there should be a slow dynamic in order to leave... a chance for dialogue, that's what the situation is, paradoxically, but these days , when preparations were unfolding, an attack on israel was taking place, a number of notes appeared in the western press about the fact that it is absolutely necessary to conduct a dialogue with russia, because this is the only tool to appease china with its appetites for taiwan, you understand how, that is in fact, this vector also continues to work, one must understand here. that of israel and ukraine now needs the dynamics of sharpening these processes, and there is a part of those who believe that ours is trying, when there is

another way... sit there at the table to agree on something, but you understand, this position of israel, it helps us a lot, there is nothing to talk about with savages, and this position, even if it is harsh, yes, even if it is not diplomatic, but it is very objective, because it makes fun of the bodies of dead soldiers and the civilian population - this, this is barbarism, i did not accidentally say, what we see now in israel was yesterday... which year is going on in ukraine, and this must be understood, if we approach it from the point of view of our characteristics, then we, in israel , need as active dynamics as possible, as soon as possible decision-making. roman petrovych, i would like to ask you to comment on two important, possibly pivotal points, let it be on a tactical level, in particular , it is about the visit of the russian fuhrer to the people's republic of china, and

it is also about the announced... meeting at the level of national security advisers in istanbul, as if would like to resuscitate that one or another istanbul scenario, chimbul negotiation process. well, as for the trip to china, let's face it, it is not known how it will happen, and if it happens, it means that it is another step of china's attack on taiwan. that 's just how i see it. and if god forbid there is some success in israel, then taiwan will be next, don't even doubt it, and istanbul, well, that's what i just told you about, that's the second option that's sitting, he, well, pay attention to this statement, who is the president of romania, i think he said yes

about the restoration, yes, yes, yes, about the restoration of istanbul... and for me i understood this strange statement of erdogan, when the attack on israel began, did he not orientate himself in the situation, did he not understand that hamas is not palestine and started to talk about the fact that, like putin , it is necessary to implement the decision of the general assembly of 1948, so hamas, hezbollah are against him, the palestine liberation organization is against him, against it. decision, what are you talking about, in general, why is israel in this situation, and they do not understand that, well, probably, let's say so, or, well, i think they understand, it's just that the fool is included , in order to pretend that they are still taking some kind of peacekeeping position, they will not succeed, in the situation in which we find ourselves

, the topic of the istanbul option is dropped, i can say that it is not viable in principle, a meeting of advisers is possible, if it is appropriate, only to talk about the global peace summit, and to talk about the new world order, to prepare it, let's say so , prepare it based on the fact that in ramstein, well, i take all these forces, there is currently a strategic vision, the paradox of the situation is that literally, at noon, as soon as hamas launched an attack on israel, a clear goal was announced by the leadership of hamas, the leadership of hezbollah, the leadership of iran and so on next, and i ask, is the goal of ramstein, it is formed, it, the goal is formed by washington, the goal is formed in brussels, no, from here, all we see

is, we will help, we will be as much, as much will be needed, what is hiding behind according to these words only those who speak them know, i think they don’t know it either, so in fact , the destabilization of the camp, of the allies in ukraine, is slow, and it will hurt us very, very much now, and now i completely agree with you solidarity, because quick solutions are needed, because even under... the situation in israel is another step towards china's war against taiwan, thank you very much, mr. roman, for this brilliant and honest analysis, i want to remind our viewers that on the air roman bezsmertny, a ukrainian politician and diplomat, was currently working on the tv channel. thank you. picked up

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