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according to the numbering rules, the first two digits must indicate the district where the passport was issued. on the russian passport of olena zelska, we see the number 20, which corresponds to the western russian district. but the above image of this passport indicates that the passport was issued by the migration service of the republic of crimea. let's look at the map, we see that these two districts are separated by hundreds of kilometers, and this indicates that this cannot be an authentic document, there is also a certain discrepancy with other figures. we see here 20. instead
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, the numbers in this segment should represent the year issue of the document, that is, in our case it should have been 14, which corresponds to 2014 , so we see that there are many discrepancies in the document, we see the discrepancy of the numbering with the officially specified parameters, as well as the fact that when this passport was allegedly issued, elena's photo zelska did not exist yet. it turns out that ms. elena just wanted to take a good photo, as a result, so many people are now trying to do something with it, and as far as i know, this is not the first time, right, no, not the first time, in june of this year, another the fake that went viral is about a fake israeli... elena zelska's
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post was published while she was visiting israel on an official visit. there are also several inconsistencies in the image, and i will tell you about them now. we see spelling errors in the hebrew place of birth, and that there is only one day between the date of issue and the expiration date. that is, this is just another attempt to discredit the ukrainian first lady. elena zelska and the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, given their influence on a global scale. great job, vediyka, interesting facts and it's great that you checked everything so well and dispelled this fake. thank you and see you soon. i... was flying, flying, and the cough
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by which enemy propaganda turns people into obedient zombies. residents of the ldnr plan to vote for the historic reunification. let's counter information attacks. in the project of the chronicle of the information war with olga len. tuesday, thursday, friday at 17:10 on the espresso tv channel. espresso is the september leader among ukrainian information channels. we have held the championship for six months in a row. congratulations you, dear viewers, it's time to learn about the most important thing. according to measurement data, viewers choose the ukrainian view from espresso. congratulations friends. mykola veresin, vitaly portnikov, good health to all. we thank the ukrainians for their trust. espresso works for you. hello, this is svoboda ranok,
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an informational project of radio svoboda. top guests every day. this is the shipping district, kherson. turn on live. we are somewhere in the vicinity. bakhmut, let's tell you the main thing. on weekdays at 9:00. congratulations, peter pomerantsev, writer and journalist, is with us today. we are with him we talked a year ago about how to oppose russian propaganda, today we will continue the conversation and talk about how to do it now, because the situation has fundamentally changed in a year, and how it has changed in a year, please. tell me what is happening now, let's not generalize, let's talk about the key countries, i live and work in america, at the johns hopkins university, in washington, and now i have helped various colleagues, ukrainian activists, and others,
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is conducting a new investigation about what do americans think about the war, about ukraine, about the future and so on, and the main thing is to say that it has changed , this is attention, to this topic, this attention to the topic, and wars, it has greatly decreased, it is in the fourth, fifth place among people, in those topics that i am sick of, it is not bad, the fourth or fifth place is also a place, but it is far away, if it was in the first place in all the news, it is no longer there, it does not appear much, and this is one of the stories that people... they quickly switch to the next part of it, that when we, when my colleagues did focus groups and so on, many simply asked, is there more the war and so on, because the attention of ordinary people was very, very much lost , yes, of course, political circles discuss very, very much and many different movements, the most
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dangerous development is that half - vote, well, people who can it is possible to vote for... the republicans want to end aid to ukraine, and they are taking more and more russian positions, this is not a huge amount of the population, i don't know, 25% of the population, but still 75% support it, but this is part of the voters and that members of the republican party that they choose, they have a very strong influence on the entire republican party, and they are trying to seize power there, their leader... trump, he will probably be the candidate of the republicans for the election, which means that we have such a strange situation, where 25% of the population can decide the issue of ukraine , despite the fact that 75% still support it, it means, of course, a very, very dangerous period, and of course, russia
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is very much looking forward to trump's victory in november. this dangerous period, what is it connected with, is it an internal situation, is it some kind of thing that ukraine, as such, could float on, this is about america this is about america and america's future, and this is a part of society that does not want america to leave nato, america to leave europe, and america to leave the world in principle, this tradition has always been in america, america, ole. entered the second world war with great difficulty, only after the japanese attack on america, this is always, this is a long, long part of the american tradition, in general, on the drum about ukraine and about russia, well, for my part, for example, i see, well there, and and probably in ukraine you know that, very much they actively react, it's when musk expresses something, his posts are endless there, then we have to give a part of ukraine there, then something else, or some articles appear.
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in various even very respectable publications, where they also begin to think about how to freeze the conflict, what to pay for it, it is generally some kind of mainstream, as it is perceived not from our bubble, but as it is perceived, well, if you look, well, in the background , well, that's just how you can look at how a person living in the united states looks at all this, this, how real is it, well, so bright, something, well, by and large, expert articles are not perceived at all, these are expert articles for other experts, and this is very important in the washington party, it is very, very important, and there is a very heated discussion on how to proceed the war and how to further support ukraine, in society , no one reads it, no one knows about it, people don’t read it, well, the mask, the mask reads, well, the mask is another phenomenon, no, there are very few people on twitter, twitter in principle, it ended like this an important project, it was always only a project for journalists and others and activists, it ended up being twitter. became completely irrelevant as a platform, but not very relevant as a platform, if it
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had previously played a major role. musko knows how to be a businessman, he is very successful, the richest man in the country, in america, the cult of business, yes in a good way and in a bad way, and of course, musk has a voice, but i wouldn't say that he plays any an especially important, decisive role in public debates, he simply represents such a one... and it is broad presented by other people besides musk, but i would not overreact to the words of even a billionaire, to what extent is it internal, when these articles come out, how much are these articles a natural process, is this the opinion of journalists or not? some certain analysts, or can we talk here about some certain, well, influence of russia,
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that is, where, how to distinguish, or should it be distinguished at all? it is very important to understand that mask, we now know, was in direct contact with the kremlin all the time and he repeats that the kremlin by the way, we now know about it, now we tell a lot of biographies about him, he is just on the phone with a cream, business interests connected with russia, he really wants to launch programs related to space, space programs with russia, and apparently not very much, it is very easy to manipulate him, as many such famous and rich people are not very smart in politics, they are very easy to outplay, and of course, this has a huge influence, but whether he plays any decisive role, i do not know, well, as i say, he represents such a block of opinion, which always against the norm, yes, if the norm is against ukraine, he will be for it. ukraine, if the norm is for ukraine, he will be against ukraine, well, that's how he is, that's how he plays, that
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's how many people play such a role, but again , everything is very clear in sociology, yes, different studies are repeated, 75% support ukraine, for america to play an active role in europe, for america to be in nato, they want america to be able to calm the chaos, overwhelming support in america. that there is no support at all, and everything is clear there, yes, the problem, i would say, is completely different, the problem is that the main message given by the american leadership always consisted in the key phrase: as long as it's we will support ukraine, as long as it takes, this was biden's main phrase, americans hate this phrase, ukrainians too, yes, yes, americans love a clear mission , plan, goal, think about american historical successes, and they have a favorite phrase: mission
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accomplish not clear where and what and where, this is american, so let's not get too worked up about the mask, and so on, let's think about how we and the huge majority in american society support ukraine, how best to communicate with them, they don't they like this phrase, and i also like not... the exact idea that there is no plan, yes, they, they are ready to wait, not that there should be a victory tomorrow, but they do not want to know how we are, where we are going and to , let's go, well, i would really like to hear the word victory. i don't know i think that these are very instinctively, very cautious people who lead america, they are not pensioners , they are always a step ahead, putin is a step ahead, they are a step ahead, well, in principle, their idea
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is that the allies probably have more money than russia and in the end, russia will probably lose some... such a vision, but they don't particularly like to think about big goals and so on, that's their instincts, that's how they are, as i understand it, even on american society does not act like this, like p likes cheerful goals, big actions and so on heroism, and this, well, this is that, this generation of politicians, biden is like that and the people around him are a little like that, they love, they want to be careful, they are careful, well, look, somewhere maybe even... even half a year it was possible to say that russian propaganda, well, in principle, it somehow did not spread like that in the west , in the sense that russian propagandists were not perceived absolutely clearly, but now ukraine is already doing a lot, right, for example,
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the americans are afraid, what about that, what musk said, yes, if there will be an attack on the fleet is black, there will be a nuclear war, the ukrainians have shown genius, here we have destroyed the fleet with our genius drones and nothing, and something is changing, the ukrainians are already doing everything right, it seems to me, in the sense that they are conducting military operations, operations within russia , who all the time show america that it is not necessary to be afraid of them, yes, these are two -way operations, yes , or three-way operations . the plan of asymmetric warfare against this enemy is very inspiring, it is very it is important, and it affects russia, which is even beginning to understand that they have not calculated everything, yes, and it certainly affects the west very much, i think there are more such operations, and it would be very interesting for me to see if there would be some kind of cyber operation against russia, the ukrainians, if i don't know, cut down a couple of factories
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where rockets are made, what kind of reaction will russia have, because this is understandable, this is the next step in this request to heaven somewhere. well, it's clear that this is the next big one, yes big, such a moment in this war, in this respect, this is a very new war, yes, drones are a novelty in this war, and the cyber aspect, this is the future of the war, everyone is definitely afraid to start, maybe someone should start, lately i see a lot of articles from different publications, british, german, american, endless. the same picture, no matter what is written in the title, the illustration must be, some cemetery in ukraine, some wounded fighters, and that's all, well, i, you know, i have such a mixed feeling, i understand that it is possible some showing empathy but do such articles help ukraine at all, oh, they help, they don't help , sympathy is very important, very important, again,
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sociology, yes, i don't want to tell such anecdotal things, because realistically, there are many interesting studies. it is very important, americans, the stories about children, about the kidnapping of children are very motivating, right here even the trumpists, trump say, no, this must be stopped, everything is about genocide, and so on and so on, so, of course , the main business of american society values, yes, they are not they understand very well why this is important for international theory, law and all these phrases about the international. conspiracy, all of this is completely incomprehensible to ordinary people, but what protects children is very important, it is very, very, very important, because on the one hand it is very important, it is about values, it is about protecting children, victims and so on, it is extremely important, on the other hand , of course, especially the americans, it is very important to them, well, support for ukraine correlates with belief in
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ukrainian victory, yes, and of course, it is very important talk about victories, too, yes, that some kind of balance is needed, and yes, it is very important, it is very important that there should be a concept of victory, ukraine, ukraine has many victories, not only in the military sphere, for example, in crimea with the black sea fleet, but in the field of infrastructure and so on, every day there is some kind of victory, but it is not always finished , that is, you think that the forces, the world forces, are now more like faltering, they are showing ukraine more as a victim, or they still show her as the winner. listen, well, journalists follow the instructions something new, yes, when there were victories, battles for kiev, when there was liberation of kharkiv and kherson regions, of course, they did not write about this, but.... now they write about something else, well, that’s it, that is, you want to say, there will be victories, they will write, no, well, then it starts in such a way, and it is possible and possible to very strongly overemphasize some thing
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that is smaller than you than the other, it is not, sume it all the time they do it, the history of research of the media, how the media all the time , some topic is re-educated, and this topic becomes dominant when it does not reflect reality means that this is a very old problem of the media, and it doesn't start with this war . it's interesting, look, russian propaganda talks a lot about how western equipment is on fire, some other leopard or bradley or something like that, for them it is important to tell your people, your population, because the population is really afraid, and now there was the last study of levada, where the first is the fear of shelling from russia, the second is the fear of the supply of western equipment to ukraine, the third is the fear of a counteroffensive by ukraine, that is, the three main the fears of the russian population, there are more than 60%, this was in september, there was this study of levvada at the end of september, and what about all the news about
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the fact that foreign equipment that was given to ukraine is on fire somewhere, and it is broken, and the russians attacked it again, how do western societies perceive all this news and in general, well, do they perceive what is interesting about what is happening with heavy equipment, yes, look at it. interestingly, for two reasons, there is simply a part of society that is very interested in this, yes, that watches youtube channels about tanks, yes, those who download apps, somewhere they don’t know about, i don’t know, drone attacks, there are just people who love it very much, of course, people want it very much, they still sympathize with ukraine very much, they really want to feel that they are part of the victory, too, yes, but it seems to me that you just know that the news must be new so that people will follow it, but it is not... well, the news is has to be new, yes, by definition yes , he told me this once, the second time, and the third time , because of this, it seems to me, for example, that this is the case
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ingenious attacks on the black sea fleet were very interesting, there was something new, yes, but we need to think that there is still some tank that burned, well, it burned, yes, the first time is interesting , the second, the third, yes, the third, the third time , unfortunately, it is not interesting, yes, it is necessary to show new forms of victory this is this, i know that it is difficult, this is me. it is not easy, well, we live in a world where information is extremely important, and where a military operation also has an informational aspect, yes, it seems to me that gur understands this very well, for sure, yes, not very, well, they are not working very well in this direction, but how do you generally evaluate all this influx of articles about the counteroffensive and to what extent, again, how much does it affect the support of ukraine, here are all the conversations that the counteroffensive is such, no he's like that, everybody's gone, people, i think that people simply lose interest when an expert starts such a technical breakdown of targets, people don't follow the war like that, they see what 's happening, they watch, yes, if we're talking
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about publicly, that is, from event to event in essence, something bright happened, they focused on it, i repeat the focus group in america, again america is a unique country , they ask us, and the war is still going on, ugh, i’m not saying that this is a huge point of view, yes, but it is, yes, but there is almost no such degree in ukraine. then on this basis, and the conversations, again, which some experts constantly come up with that it is necessary to agree on something with russia, to what extent are these conversations in general also, well, are they some kind of mainstream, in general, does anyone believe that something can be agreed with russia negotiate, no one at all, he doesn't think about it, yes, if he talks about such a conversation, yes, there is a big one. people who lobby for such a position, they are stronger in europe than in america, trump talks about it, yes, he says that he will agree with everyone in 5 seconds, because he is
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a deal maker, he will agree with everyone and everyone will be happy, but well, he talks about such a position, but i think that among the people who make politics, they understand that they are not negotiating with anyone, yes, i think that this illusion has long passed and you know, this the conversation continues, almost so in such a way. or at least they don't tell us what they're going to do, right? well, yes, he is like that, in this, well, in this inaccuracy, well, it’s very dangerous, you know, i have such a thing again, again, if trump comes to power, it’s all thrown out, and god knows what will happen, well i have the impression that when a little bit... the focus is lost, the understanding of what to do next is lost, there is such a familiar reaction, everyone starts talking about corruption in ukraine, you know, it's just a topic that you can always go to
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return. how much they really attack the support of ukraine, how toxic they are, how much the society of western countries pays attention to them, it is extremely important, well, the following that i read shows that even those who support ukraine, when you ask them why you would lose, why would you lose or stop supporting ukraine, they answer that the first point, if ukraine itself commits crimes, the second point, if there is corruption and money will be used for corrupt purposes and it will be stolen, you understand that they give their money, yes , taxpayers' money, for a very important goal, we completely understand that this is a very important goal, the majority, and even 75% believe that
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it is very important, will support ukraine. but if they see how the ukrainian elite steals this money for themselves, and it does not benefit the people, then of course they will react negatively to it, and of course, russian propaganda, but not only russian propaganda, simply american anti-ukrainian propaganda will put maximum pressure on this, on this topic, this is almost the same a dangerous topic for ukraine, and because of this it is necessary to approach it very seriously, and i would also say here, because i see now a repetition of a certain such comeback, you know, in the 16-17th year, when also, although in order to well, to normalize russia in general, they started talking about corruption in ukraine, but now it's the same story, because to some extent these conversations, well, they are artificial in nature, well, how are we going to fight this? well as? well, here i am, well, yes, yes, there are many sources here, both russian sources and american sources, we we are talking in great detail, yes, it is possible, well,
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let's start with a metaphor. all the time we hear about focus groups, yes, why do we write u blank check? why are we writing ukraine a blank check, an open check, as much as you want, right? well, start with these metaphors, there are no open checks , yes, we track every penny, everything is very, very high, and a high-quality system, how we track money, this is the first, yes, well, such small things, what do you need to start with, right? who should do it, it should be done by the american government, it should be done by the ukrainian government, for everyone the audience has its own approach, but it is also necessary not to fall too far into the conversation about money, yes, when it comes to supporting the security of the world, when it comes to
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what needs to be done - tyrants who try to take away the freedom of other countries, then, well, in order to defeat them and to achieve stability, who can't be after the victory, and this is a very good investment, yes, in order, in order, and stability, yes, it is necessary, it also says that no matter how much it is, there are no dollars here and there. yes, that's what stability is, which will be after how we were able, we will be able to stop russia, brings great benefits for everyone, to what extent it affects, does not affect, in general, the fact that , for example, this narrative that russia is so great and it will always be great, and ukraine is not so great, well and she runs out of resources, what we constantly, constantly
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read. we hear how much it is in general, such a thing, which, which is perceived by, well, some societies of western countries, politicians of western countries, how toxic is this issue, insanely, insanely toxic, there is still an idea that russia is huge, it is an illusion, that it is very rich, there is knowledge that it has nuclear weapons, that it has rich resources, this is the idea that it is a giant, you have to deal with a giant, you will never defeat it, it plays a huge role, and it is necessary to dismantle it very piecemeal in order to to see the baldness of this king. we haven't done it yet, that is, we haven't managed to deconstruct this myth, not to the end, of course , some sobriety, but it runs very deep, it runs for centuries, yes, you won't understand something here in an hour, yes, it plays very much, i think, look, and i do i understand, i do

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