[000:00:00;00] technique, i.e. the process, if you just put it in a nutshell, the process, renewal of the state sector of the defense-industrial complex, it is very relevant and still remains, and we have to bring it quickly enough, let's say at a time that satisfied our partners and was flexible enough for of the state itself, because this potential is quite large , which is still not fully used, in relation to the creation of joint enterprises for the state segment, the same issue has been discussed many times so that our state enterprises have the opportunity to create joint ventures with foreign companies, again the process of shareholding here rests on one of the key points , it is like again the creation of corporations, joint-stock companies, and it must be moved from the point where it is happening now, it is happening, but slowly , it needs to be accelerated, and again, if we talk about regulatory regulation, it is definitely the creation of joint ventures with foreign partners,

the creation of the most adaptive conditions for investments, the protection of these investments, checking the control of these investments so that they are aimed directly at the creation of new models of armed military equipment, that is, there are certain problems, and i see that they are moving, but again, the movements are desirable to be much faster, here i am i listened carefully, i had this question during the campaign, we are talking about the mechanisms of the correct market economy, which our foreign partners are used to. and now we take our reality, combat operations, the need for armed forces and the feeling that it is possible, on the contrary, there is a rigid system management in the format of a military economy, which has not yet begun in our country, could be more productive, these two realities, can they really be combined in ukraine, because one option is market, the other, let's say, is such a strict management, which is more effective, in your opinion

opinion, where we should put the main emphasis now, a difficult question, you know, but...' nevertheless, i'm more pro-market, i'm more pro-market, because the market dictates, and the market definitely, and now we're in a war, and of course, look at the private sector, i'll give you a vivid example, some private sector enterprises, which were engaged in one direction, are now engaged in a completely different direction under these conditions, and foreign partners primarily contact them, relatively speaking, there is the m113 armored personnel carrier, which the partners there transferred to us, are private under the sector, which already... before repairing, and already foreigners , the same americans agree to provide opportunities to develop in this private sector, these private companies will continue to repair these american cars, and what do we say about the public segment, the state segment is currently more focused on the repair and restoration of soviet-made military and defense equipment that was modernized during the time of ukraine, but what about foreign models, what about those models that are supplied to us by private companies,

here is another moment, and so you raised an important, relevant, relevant question regarding the fact that a rigid vertical is needed, but a rigid vertical in the conditions of war is needed in order for it to regulate the rules of the game and the rules of the game in the market, and these rules of the game were followed by both the public and private segments, and the rigid vertical, okay, tomorrow we make tanks for 50 tanks, all forward, everyone works, no one else cares, it's a completely different thing, it works differently in life, as they say, it seems to us that the state ... knows that we need 50 tanks, 100 bmp, 100 artillery systems, artillery systems, 300 missile systems of volley fire, here is the state defense order, okay, let's go, let's work, this and that enterprise will perform, and why, perhaps from these of enterprises, one enterprise will perform better than another enterprise, the main thing for the state is to create the conditions for this market to be regulated independently, the state must eventually adopt a normal program for the development of armed military equipment, so that

everyone in ukraine and abroad in three years wants to switch completely to leopard-2 tanks, okay, we want to switch completely to f16 aircraft in 5 years, well, we will ride on m113s, who will repair what state defense order, here the state must specifically and clearly say control so that it is observed and implemented for several years ahead, not two or three years, many more years, because this is an important point from the point of view of controlling words in war conditions, that is, actually saying that despite the conditions of war, we have to implement market mechanisms that will be clear to the europeans, if, if we are talking about the fact that we have to buy 1000 new bmps, then we have to announce a tender, determine the price parameters of this tender, invite potential partners and then, under normal market tender conditions, start to create our new component of our defense industry for the production of bmp, this is what it looks like, if we don't do it, yes

, just look... we will still come to this, we will still come to this, we have identified ourselves with the western community, the western the community works and acts according to its own rules, which are defined there, and sooner or later, as we didn't push hard there, we argued, but sooner or later we will be forced to borrow the mechanisms that exist there, and sooner or later we will play according to these rules of the game, they transparent enough, and we can not say, let's say open tender, we can close closed to make this tender, but we just have to decide, okay, guys, we have the rules of the game, we accept these rules of the game, we act within the framework of these rules of the game , we will try to comply with them, but remember, we have a war, we will be tougher. more specific and more demanding that all this is observed both on the part of the partners and on our side, and this is one point, another point, again it is important for our

transparency of partners, because the russian federation, using its narratives, will constantly talk about the fact that ukraine is a corrupt country, everything is stolen there, that ukraine resells, and the more transparent we are to our partners, the more, i emphasize to our partners, not necessarily "it is necessary to be transparent before ... the russian federation does not need to be at all, i am talking about our partners, the more we will inspire confidence in our partners, now we are emotionally in their minds, in their minds, we still have to practically prove that we are in their minds. mr. anton, thank you very much for your professional comments, i hope that these approaches are related to a combination of market conditions and war conditions, after all, we will be balanced in the decisions of our authorities, i will remind our viewers that my interlocutor was anton mikhnenko, a military expert on security and technology issues. and then we continue our program after a short informational pause and we will talk about what other conclusions we have to draw from the hostilities in israel, which are extremely

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to see and hear. dear sergiyuvych, i am very glad to see you, thank you for the invitation. glory to ukraine. kudos to the heroes, although today you are also in kravaka, which is very unusual to see after the unification... with which we appeared on the air several times, i would like to ask you, in the context of what is happening in israel, you are still actively analyzing the fighting in different countries, what equipment is used, what weapons are used by both the russian federation and other countries, and so i would like to hear from you what conclusions we should draw from the first stage of the military campaign that is currently taking place in israel, around israel, what is important that we should distinguish from the approaches that this country uses in the fight against its enemies, you know, i want to start my comment with gratitude, here i see the signature

under...' us, the war will be global, how to prepare for it in ukraine, this is a continuation of the words and comments of a very calm, professional, professional lieutenant general kyryl budanov, head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, and all that we see, our regional, so-called regional war, ukrainian - russian, or those events that are currently happening in israel, and in the middle east in general. one way or another , today they are all a continuation of those textbook operations that took place in the middle east in the early 90s. i always cite the example of christomotyn for the aviators first of all and for the specialists of the so-called joint operations, it is that one way or another any serious breakthrough operation begins with an air defeat. first of all. means of air delivery of ammunition, then

the missile troops are connected and in the future already the ground component must move, this is the logic that applies to ukraine, which from this conclusion, unfortunately, due to the insufficient quantity and even insufficient quality, all that to date of aviation means of destruction, which are available in ukraine, we are still waiting for american or some other models of serious fighter aircraft, operational tactical aircraft, well, first of all, of course, it is about the fact that the most air force today is expected to be f16 aircraft, we have repeatedly talked about this, for now, well, if you ask me how always a person who systematically approached, and this is what we also talked about, literally a short comment that we built in ukraine in such a way that initially we get a simpler aircraft from

a technical point of view, although the v-16 has its own peculiarities, and then switch to heavy, yes, thank you, f15, and, but i want to emphasize always and for the specialists of my colleagues in the field of the military, i always emphasized the need for f15i aircraft, that is , multifunctional aircraft capable of air and ground operations, it is also the same aircraft but lighter is the f-16. the amount of weapons that the f-15i can carry is almost one and a half times more than that of the f-16, including, as one of the air force pilots of the f15 and has noted, the f15 as such has a much greater combat radius than the f16 , and including, and i am pleased to hear that the opinions i expressed regarding. the concept that i laid out, our

unmanned fighter one, that's exactly what it is first of all, it is the air component of air and missile defense, that is, the aircraft is a platform for anti-aircraft missile interceptors, ranging from simple barrage of shahed ammunition and complex cruise missiles, or even sometimes you can think about intercepting ballistic missiles. thus, summing up what i said, aviation is an absolutely necessary and almost essential component to support, to start even ground operations, operations, if we talk about ukraine, that will liberate our territories, why constantly our military and political leadership and emphasizes the need to obtain aircraft, no matter what year the platform appeared, and aircraft that are equipped with modern and ultra-modern complexes

weapons, intelligence and weapons, i.e. target detection, targeting and delivery systems, of the combat unit in various ways , be it anti-aircraft missiles, or already so-called cruise bombs, or they are called smart bombs or planning bombs and so on, because on a very large scale pity, despite the fact that the su-27 aircraft is comparable as an aerodynamic object, as simply as a carrier aircraft with the f15 aircraft. which we see on the screen, but the weapon complexes with which our aircraft in ukraine, su-27 and 29, are equipped, they are already two or three generations behind what is on combat duty for the united states of america and to the great regret of the russian federation. mr. oleksandr , i would like to take a step back and ask you the following question: why did it happen that when we talk about airplanes, we tried to supply them to iran there. when we talk about

long-range systems there, complex thunder there and others, for some reason we found saudi arabia as a partner, as well as with aircraft for saudi arabia. aravi and the question arises whether we have, why this happened, and secondly, whether we now have the time, potential, opportunities for to develop powerful projects with the right countries, and do you have the feeling that we are still moving in this direction, well, here we have to recall the words of the president of maktion philip karber, remember, at the beginning of this year , who said that you ukrainians say that we... the united states do not give you enough, but you yourself did nothing to have it all for yourself, as my great-grandfather said, when the kombidovs came to him to de-cork and told my grandfather to give an axe, he said, it's mine ax, where is your ax , things like this continue in ukraine, unfortunately,

they continued even before the beginning of this russian-ukrainian phase of the war, which has been going on for centuries, let's be honest about this, why did this happen? you know, i was once asked such a question, and not only to me, but also to other former heads of the antonov state enterprise, after all , it was, well, i don’t want to say military, it was political, a political choice of the then leadership of already independent ukraine, all the same at that time, you know, an aircraft carrier is not possible to turn around, on the spot, how can you do it with a formula 1 car, it will still... ' it will inertially move along its set course for a very long time and somewhere there in 20 minutes it will surely turn around, that's how it was with our country, that mental an attitude that was shared by many specialists of the special services who are even still in the service, my peers, here we

are, who are now 45, in the early 90s they were taught that who is our main enemy, after all, it is the united states of america, and they lived and even still live with such a mental attitude some representatives who lead something somewhere, fortunately, already this military and political situation of ours, primarily military, has removed the masks from all the actors in this world, and fortunately i can already say that even me, i i am proud that i succeeded in what was related to my area of ​​responsibility, tsdptonov. even having staked my career on the slaughter, to stop embezzlement, embezzlement and treasonous transfer of intellectual property assets to various countries, which today do not come out in support of ukraine, i am very

delicately expressed, i'm sorry, i can't say anymore, even wearing civilian clothes now, being on a business trip, then protonov will be asked if there is a feeling that there are projects on the same anton there or on other branches of the ukrainian defense industry, which are in cooperation with european, american, there german, french partners, are really starting to create models that really ensure the strengthening of our defense industrial potential and create new competencies there, which we have to acquire in partnership precisely with adequate our countries, i was pleased to read recently the news that ppp is finally joined one well-known european military and technical association, that is, it is still moving in the right direction , which i managed to set, well, including me, for development, specifically, if we talk about ppp, well, we see that in other projects, in other

related industries, i hope the same is happening in the rocket industry, because if... talking about the production that you mentioned at the very beginning, after all, for of ukraine, even as i am primarily an aviator in the field of aerospace, i.e. aviation and space technologies, i will still say that ukraine should focus on the development, co-development with the united states and european colleagues, of anti-missile defense systems, and i constantly i emphasize this. against missile defense, i.e. defense against ballistic missiles, high-speed hypersonic missiles. i will remind everyone that we were promised to place 96 launchers along the border of ukraine. installations of the iskander complexes, it is

96 * 2, because in each launcher iskander two missiles, not one, as was the case at point u or previous projects such as the scud, which, by the way, the ssr again transferred the russian federation to iran, and now it is trying to get them from there under the guise of iranian technology, so, with regard to ukraine, we need to focus specifically on anti-missile defense systems, and then on air defense systems, well, as an element of air defense and, to a lesser extent, against missile defense, we need to develop our own fighter projects, not forgetting in any case, so that we need to receive a very significant assortment and nomenclature of equipment from our western colleagues, partners in the now global coalition, mr. oleksandr, you said, first of all , anti-missile and anti-aircraft ... as a basic priority, and whatever, relatively speaking , would you still add in this priority chain in order to select certain such, well, focusing

our efforts there on the short-term, medium-term perspective, what besides about and pppo? yes, thank you for that hint, really, i always, you know, like in a market economy, with any stock exchange quotations there. if there is already a lot of talk about something and it is already in the press, then it is probably too late to bet on it. this is something that is little talked about in our country or not talked about at all. this is about, i want to remind everyone, including the nobel prize for 2023, based on the achievements of the great physicists, it once again related to quantum technologies that will be used in the system. data transmission, quantum computing

and the like, this is the proverbial, specially i use the word proverbial, because there is a lot of talk about it in the west, the so-called artificial mind, or artificial intelligence, artificial intelligence, the components of which, the components of which are hardware and software complexes, are hardware and software, that is, the hardware part, that is, it is a microprocessor equipment, ultra-high-power. electronic memory for computers, in the future there will also be quantum technologies, i.e. optoelectronic, computers with ultra-high-power computing power, for example, who is a legislator in european training fashion in this area, it is claimed in the press that it is, for example, denmark, who would have thought , really, why not, for example, the manufacturer, the most famous manufacturer in europe... of processing equipment, the netherlands, no, this is denmark, they focused on issues of quantum technologies, yes

for ukraine, which has, i remember, let's imagine that it is after the elections in the united states of america , that is, it will be already 2025, ukraine must prepare for the fact that we communicate with our colleagues and the military and civilians at the same time language, it is still a working language, will the english language, no one will get anywhere from that, and to develop with... to make, including the highlight of our scientific and military scientific and technical industry, the very issue of military artificial intelligence, because even high-precision weapons, which are the same interceptor missiles, guided missiles, or vice versa, operational-tactical missiles for defeating artillery missile troops, they are all in their own essence precisely the applied application of artificial intelligence issues in the hardware and software complex. because you and i saw how hamas from the water pipes

made missiles, you can say yes, but they do not have a high-precision component, a high-precision component is what it is, it is either a radar head, guidance, or optoelectronic, or combined, and a system for processing images, map data and the like, and this is already the world of ultra-high technologies, in ukraine... as i said, unfortunately, we lost it, we had a production of microelectronics, it was destroyed, i perfectly understand that this was done specifically in the 90s, and currently we somehow you have to be in that club countries in which you can work in this area. mr. oleksandr, i will interrupt you a little, you mentioned artificial intelligence, do we now have a certain basis, conditionally speaking, where such solutions can be crystallized, which in cooperation... with denmark or other countries can be in the format of already such well, about the software product, have you seen that there is

work on the ukrainian background of these efforts related to artificial intelligence. they exist at this level so far, say, the tactical link, for tactical armament links, that is, it is the processing of camera data to guide the same semi-automatic barrage munitions , which are already being developed in ukraine, such a fine, well, they can object, well, we already have a delta system and others, but that’s all still more classic in computer science, in computer science , i am still talking more about high-speed computing, which is just emerging, it does not exist yet, and ukraine with its scientific and educational potential would be very useful and has to be very useful in this small matter

to the club of countries, developers, promising systems using quantum technologies and ultra-high-speed computing, i want to remind, for example, that the supercomputer that processed data from the radar, the arc 2 system, for which chernobyl was being built, was not far from kyiv, whose antennas were located , was created precisely in the system of the institute of cybernetics, academy of sciences of ukraine, it was unique for its time, mr. oleksandr, and it is simply necessary to remind everyone, ukrainians, remember this, thank you very much for, as always, for your professional comments and a high bar of requirements for what we should strive for, i think that our viewers will take this into account and draw conclusions, thank you very much for the inclusion, to our viewers, i would like to remind you that it was oleksandr losyu, doctor of technical sciences, ex-head , the antonov concern and the last manager, and the person who developed the ukrainian unmanned fighter jet, yes, this project exists, it needs to be promoted, other projects in the aviation field, that was the main emphasis in our military program in view of the hostilities in israel and

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