[000:00:00;00] it is the elections, the main event, i would like to remind you that poland is a parliamentary republic, therefore, elections to the parliament, the parliament, in poland there are two bicameral, upper and lower chambers, that means the upper is the senate, yes, and the lower chamber, that is, you are invited to listen now to what we are going to say, to speak with michal kacewicz, journalist, publicist from poland, mr. michal, good health, thank you for finding time for us, good. the question is important, in my opinion, poland is obviously a unitary state, i understood that poland had a senate, an upper house made, as during the discussions between the communists and anti-communists in the late 80s, during the voting, what is yours, here are fair elections, the upper chamber, and the lower one is reserved for

the communists, some kind of... the question, why is the polish senate needed now, if it was, well, as it were, a forced special event , designed to normalize the political transition from communism to non-communism, everything is over , there is no communism in poland, but there is a senate, there is a senate, and we have been negotiating for a very long time about it so that, well, whatever there was no senate or there was a senate, but so far this has been a kind of reconstruction of the constitution, so that here it would be necessary to simply change the constitution, there were no chances for this yet, so that for this one political force must dominate the parliament, and so far, as long as this situation does not work, so i think that

even after these elections, this is also... impossible, so that, obviously, according to all ratings, there will not be such a situation that someone will have such political power to change the constitution, it will be good here, if someone will be able to create a ruling one coalition, by the way, the latest ratings, i don't know what the polish legislation is, was it possible to make public yesterday or the day before yesterday, what are the latest ratings, who? can win, or they are going like that, law and justice and the civil coalition, they are going, as they say , in a hurry, that's why we have electoral silence, i can't talk about the ratings, we have it yesterday, it was forbidden yesterday, and today until the end of the day, well, not until the end of the day, until yes, until 90 90 evening is prohibited, talks about

ratings, but the last one i will say so, around, the average ratings that were on friday showed that, in principle , the first party that can win, eh, will have a very difficult situation, which means that it will not be a state by itself, eh, to create a single-party government, it will need a coalition, here the question is who will be this coalition, well, all the ratings before... showed that, in principle, this is only a role for the confederation, for a basically new, but new old party, which is new, as a new force enters the parliament, eh, there will be a difficult situation here, even if it is with them pis or the opposition will talk, but all the same there will be very difficult negotiations , of course, we will see how the situation will

look like tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, so the exact results of these elections will be on tuesday morning, and tomorrow evening we will know more. therefore, what will be the known late poll, the so-called, does it mean that the last one is already an exit poll, eh, these exit polls, which will be known today, may still be inaccurate, the last elections showed that there the result may change even more in a day, especially since these elections that are taking place now are taking place, they are already special, we have a huge record turnout , such a turnout in parliamentary elections, there were no elections, in principle in poland, at 12:00 in poland there was a turnout more than 22%, that's more than 3% higher than in the previous elections, in

2019, if these predictions come true, the turnout may go up to 65% in the final election, which will be a record for poland and this turnout. they can change a lot, especially if we look now on already - well, well, one of the internet portals has already shown such a map, we have a turnout in which regions of poland is higher , in which regions it is lower, it is generally higher in western poland, in northern poland in large cities, there are of course exceptions , but in principle these are the regions that usually vote for, and the turnout in the regions of south-eastern poland, where there is usually more support for law and justice, it did not go up so much, there is no such dynamics there that

it went up so quickly , as in western and northern poland, so they can be here there are some surprises that the rating, rating, simply did not count, but one more question, this is for the ukrainian viewers, i will say that a referendum on four issues is being held at the same time, the sale of state property to foreigners, one issue, raising the retirement age, two, the wall on the border of poland and belarus is three, and the admission of illegal immigrants from the middle east and africa, what do they say, if possible, and what do sociologists say, what? how can poles vote whether they want to sell property to foreigners or whether they want to build a wall with belarus, father, this is also important, we are also terribly interested in belarus, because

the ukrainians too, maybe we will have to build, so here the main, main question is not what the results will be, by themselves, of this referendum, so that on these four questions, if people vote, they will vote negatively, rather, but here the main question, or this referendum will be, as it were, in force, according to the law, so that there is a question and turnout, that is why there was such a strong opposition company, so that do not vote at all, and people, voters simply they refuse to take referendum cards, there are many around here, but maybe not scandals, but emotions, so now , if i look at social networks, worshipers of law and justice, they say that there are election commissions, in polling stations

, the members of these election commissions ask the people, the voters, whether they want to take these cards for the referendum, and in principle this should not be the case. they vote in the referendum, and the supporters are the voters of the opposition, they simply refuse the referendum in general, if the turnout is on the side, no matter how those who did not want to vote in the referendum, there will be, if there are more of them, and there will not be enough 50% of voters, then this referendum will be, well, no matter how unimportant, yes, so you can ignore it, and the referendum itself was part of the electoral campaign of law and justice, so it was part of the narrative of the electoral narrative in this

campaign, eh, honestly difficult to say i will present myself as possible later on the basis of this referendum, even if it is somehow in force, everything will be according to the law, it will pass, how to create laws on the basis of this referendum, how to create such a law according to the law, such as a wall on the border belarus will be inviolable , which is impossible to remove, there are many questions here, from the point of view of polish, polish laws from the point of view of how to practice, how to implement the results of this referendum. i thank michał katsevich, journalist, publicist from poland, and just like that conclusion, it means that the elections will take place for sure, and the referendum may be recognized as not having taken place, because a minority of people came to the polling station, thank you michal, thank you very much, and i would like to say that now

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the cabinet of ministers, or mykola knyazhytsy, the security service of ukraine came, which appealed to the parliament with a proposal to expand. reasons for the judicial ban of religious organizations, certain religious organizations, and we understand about which ones of a religious organization, the service, the head of the service, vasyl malyuk, proposes, either by a separate law or during the finalization of registered bills, to add to the list of such reasons, so we have iryna gerashchenko, people's deputy of ukraine, and yuliya klymenko, people's deputy of ukraine, i hope that they are now with show and we will talk with them about what fate may be in these draft laws and the fate of russian spies who, well, spy properly, dress like priests and, as it were, like them, and what

can be done with them, if they are, as it were, priests, and not spies, actually spies, not priests, so that's right, but we have, and now we have, we have, we have, gerashchenko, first, thank you for taking the time to come to us, the first question, you know which one, here let's suppose that luck falls into our hands, and tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow, or next week, this law is passed. obviously there will be opponents, obviously there will be provocateurs, obviously there will be people, the so-called supporters, who will obviously start legal proceedings, for example, in the european court of human rights. and as i imagine, one of the reasons will be that as he says, as he tells us, roman law, there is no retroactive law, which means, well, i exist, because a law was once adopted, and this church is mine, i am the russian world,

and you invented something new here, but i have something according to the old legislation , and the new does not affect the old, and i do not know how ukraine will react. how will the european court of human rights recover, because they will definitely be looking for clues, what do you say, how perfect is the preparation of these draft laws, so that this red tape does not start in the european courts, let's start with mrs. yulia, good evening once mr. mykola, i want to tell you that before we get to the european court , we still have a second reading, because the law and the bill... there are 11 or one or three that we will consider, we will consider in the first reading, and by the second, as you understand, there will most likely be two or 3,000 edits, lobbyists and groups supporting the russian church in ukraine, we still have to pass this

stage, so we still have to go to the european court of justice and the european court to reach, as they say, so we expect at first that we will be there next time in a week we will pass it in the first reading, then we will fight for the second, i uh, we have to eat this elephant piece by piece, because uh, otherwise we, well, it is very, very difficult, because in fact, there are many more spies than probably we all think, and they are not only in cassocks, but they also sit in state offices, and they were infiltrated there not yesterday, and they have actively and successfully, i would say, 30 years, protected this church, and continue to do so further, so for now the struggle is with us such a two-stage, i would say, between the second and the second, first and second reading, mrs. iryna, now i have a question for you, i have a question about spies in the verkhovna rada, but in the verkhovna rada, what we see, what we know, european solidarity

is unanimous there, in principle, how many votes are there, well, for example, in the same pro-ruling party , the main, the largest, and so on, there with... if you add to the others, then together there will be 226 votes, or, will we see that the green team again has any other, shall we say, thoughts? well, we saw a really long one the process of blocking, even putting bills on the agenda, and here i want to thank ms. yulia, because together we collected votes, appeals to the chairman of the verkhovna rada, to show what we are up to. there are 226 people who will vote for the historic decision of the parliament to ban the russian-moscow church in ukraine, and today, as far as i understand, ms. yulia has these letters, there are more than 240 of these signatures, if we talk about factions, it is exactly european solidarity and

the full voice support these decisions, unequivocally against ashmotka opzzh, and in fact, it is necessary to work with other factions, because both the servant of the people and the motherland shared their votes there, but it is necessary to work with them, this is the first, second, during the conciliation council, which we had last friday, we saw the preliminary agenda , and there is a high probability that next week, it will be plenary, next week, ah, a law, a bill on the church, so-called, will finally be brought to the session, and i will allow myself, here is a comment on your question about the european court of human rights and so on, first of all there is a decision of the constitutional court of ukraine, which must be implemented, and this decision of the court of appeals was accepted : in the spring of this year, it very clearly stated that the church should bear an honest name, and the so-called uoc mp should not be

encrypted by this name, its metropolitan is in moscow and it should be called by the russian church, it will be honest, but today they are lying, in fact, to their parishioners , calling themselves the ukrainian orthodox church, having a metropolitan there in moscow and not fulfilling the decision of the ukrainian court, if we talk about the parallel, you know, there is a very interesting decision to make this summer, and precisely by the european court of human rights, when the russian-speaking population of latvia turned there, also regarding the protests that they want to receive education in the russian language, and this should be guaranteed to them, so the decision of the european court of human rights says that really every person has the right to education, but nowhere is the obligation to provide education in one or another language guaranteed, it should be education in the state language, i really hope that absolutely every person has the right to religion, a mimocratic country, in us the church is separated from the state and anyone who considers himself orthodox can

go to orthodox churches, but i don't think it should be written anywhere that it is to the moscow popes that we should pray, if you are a parishioner of the orthodox church, i think so, mrs. iryna , now no, mrs. yulia, now i have a question for you again, when the discussions are going on, mrs. yulia, i hope that they are going right there in the hall of the supreme court, and what do the people who are against say? we roughly understand already from the 18th, from the 19th, or from tomos, what are the arguments of those who are in favor, we even know through sociology, how many people say 80% of ukrainians are in favor of the ban, but there are 10, 15, 20 against it, and we hear very little of the arguments, for example, from those deputies who tell you, ms. yulia, ms.... it cannot be banned, because , what's after the word that no one can understand, at least

me, well, i'm probably not a very smart person, i can't understand what their arguments are? well, he is arguments, you know, they are like all the russian fesbeshne, what he does, he takes, for example, the ukrainian essence and mimics it, that is the same with arguments, i.e. they mimic, adapt to, the ukrainian ukrainian church and so on, that is, their arguments are as follows: first, the church is separated from the state, so why should we consider these draft laws? the answer to that is because it's not about religion at all, and in fact it's not even about the church, it's about national security, because we've, for example, banned russian companies, russian business, we've banned russian import-export, we've taken many steps to in order to cut off ukraine,

from the russian influence, but we left the biggest element inside the state, this is the church-russian church, which in fact and through tools, propaganda and e, and tser, that is, uses, simply cynically uses people who really do not ask themselves the question, which church they go, for example, there may be a church and people in the village, most of them do not even know that they are going to a moscow... church, that is, they do not ask themselves questions, because this church has been standing for 300 years, but then the fsb came and russia and simply if they decided that this church would now be russian, so many people do not ask themselves this question, and mrs. iryna correctly said that there is no real name anywhere, people do not know where they are going, and many people are simply, well, let's say, they are being manipulated, this is the first argument, and therefore, when people say that the church is separated from the state, of course, but unfortunately, the national... security is not separated from the state, because the state can only exist from the national, if it is protected from all sides, and this applies to both business and

money, and finances, and church, and propaganda, and a lot of everything another, the second argument is, oh, you know, i'm a non-believer, and therefore i don't want to think about it at all, let them sort things out among themselves, there is an opportunity to switch to different churches, let them switch, and the third argument, which the opzzh actively uses , it is that look at the number of criminal cases, criminal cases against, russian churches, against russian priests, it is so small, compared to the number of parishes there in 14-5 15,000, in fact, no one knows how many there are, and this argument, that statistically it is very little compared to the number of parishes, that it is actually an error, but they do not ask themselves the question that in fact this is a consequence of the lack of legislation, so if there was legislation, the number of criminal criminal and court cases would be much more, so

that in fact neither the sbu nor the court can act without the framework of the legislative framework, in fact... we are trying to give it to them, we are not going to close anything, change anyone's faith, no one is asking anyone, these are just tools for the existing law enforcement agencies to do their work on a national basis, to protect national security in a legal way, as well as courts to make decisions, therefore without these laws and without this framework there will be no active fight against the russian fsb agents, who have put on ryaas, who actually manipulate... people and use, well, unfortunately, it will not be, that is, it is our duty to give them these tools, that's all, after that a lot of people ask, oh, will they close the church, no, no one is going to close the church, how were the churches opened, the way people went, i have the last one a question for ms. iryna, i apologize, ms. yuliya, look, i just touched, yes , ms. iryna, it's me too, ms. yuliya, i'm asking, will there be,

well, if, we can know the real ones. the number of believers, we don't know now, we are told that there are 100 times more parishes in the russian church than in the ukrainian one, and then you start to do to do, look more closely, nothing like that, we just have the impression that the state does not knows how many priests, if they can be called priests in the russian church, how many churches, how many parishes, how many how many are faithful, we don't know all this, will there be some kind of work, mrs. iryna , so that in a year, maybe after the war, maybe in two, three, we will know, but we have about that many muslims, that's greek - there are about that many catholics, i understand that you will not count by head, but here are our supporters of the ukrainian orthodox church of ukraine, okay, and here is the russian one, some number will probably remain there, i don’t know, simply, simply, so that we understand how many in general, in our ukrainian economy, there are

various, various church people, mrs. iryna, well you first, heard your question to ms. yuli with a very correct story that you don't know the arguments of those who are for and who are against, and it seems to me that this is the key story, that such a historic debate in parliament should be public, it it is not normal that under martial law, the parliament works closed, and we are advocating that journalists return there, so that people know how the budget is adopted, how laws are adopted, indeed, which are related to national security, mrs. yuli, you are absolutely right. that these are not church laws, these are national security laws, and when these priests they refuse to bury, mourn the dead ukrainian servicemen, when they bless there for a war, against ukraine, this is not a matter of faith, but of responsibility to the state, so it must be finished with this, as far as the parishes are concerned, indeed the transition to the orthodox church of ukraine, which thus began very actively

at the beginning of the 19th year, unfortunately, it was artificially in favor of... and unfortunately, the office of the president was involved in this, because the first deputy head of the office of the president, the previous one, he was just such a faithful parishioner of the laurel, and we have many facts, when such a transition was blocked, and one of the issues, by the way, about which the servants and the opzzh talk all the time, that this should be a natural process, here people should decide for themselves how to transition to the orthodox church of ukraine. we should not interfere in this, but the truth is needed here, if an honest sign hangs on every church that the priest of this church belongs to the moscow church, people themselves will really be very active in making decisions about the transition to the orthodox church of ukraine, and therefore i want to emphasize once again that it is our desire, i am here thank you very much ms. yulia, she is extremely active in working together with mykola knyazhytskyi, with