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[000:00:00;00] of russia, i noticed that liberal russia is absolutely not, i will say this, not ashamed of its marginality, it is even considered some kind of advantage, we are really like that here in moscow, oh, oh, and you, you know what they are like there in ivanovo, oh, well, we will never go there, who am i, you know, my colleague, who worked for 30 years at a liberal radio station in russia, says to me, i am only now, she has not lived in russia for a long time, only now begins to understand what a terrible country this is, i you have never traveled, no, why, if you haven't well, of course, i traveled, from yassenevo to medvedkovo, a good trip, and for a long time, i went to oreekhozuyevo, i still remember that i needed to buy a guide to georgia somewhere at the medvedova metro station, i was telling this to my moscow acquaintance, my god, you
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i went to medvedkov by subway to... oh well, you're just a hero , that's all, and these people flew to brazil to antarctica, but they've never been to medvedkov and weren't going to, i'm not talking about some kind of connection there, my god, horror, horror, so you will understand this, that this is not the audience that can lead the country and not the audience that can absorb ukraine, perhaps this can explain the current silence of the elites, that they simply do not perceive themselves as a part, do not perceive absolutely, and they are very surprised when we them. pain can become an obstacle, cats on the stairs, not with my knees, for knee pain, try dolgit cream. dolgit cream with pain relief, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility with
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have a dialogue, but these people will not do anything for you, they cannot, even if, in fact, it is a question of impotence, and now there are a lot of all these good russians in the world, in fact, who have crossed the borders of people like mice and are at the tail end of ukrainian history, because some of them fled from russia as they did not agree with regime and begin to talk about what, how, how they are imagine what the ukrainians need to do in this war, and i actually always want to ask them in these cases, i simply do not discuss with either good russians or bad ones, i simply do not want to have any contact with them, this is a hygienic issue, but always, well, that is, if i wanted to ask them something, i would ask them why they don't go home and clean up all the crap that they allowed to accumulate there over so many years, why don't they do a big house cleaning , they will take a lot of time
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for that homework, to at least realize how they all together allowed a new nazism to form in their country and raised a dictator without doing anything about it, so really, this is a question about the powerlessness of the elites. and even no, i don’t know if it’s correct to use the term elite, in this regard, proshreku, thoughts, well, by the way, i don’t agree with this, by the way, i also have a serious remark about what i heard, the world in fact, and the attitude towards peoples, it's a little more complicated than it looks, i just wish it was recall how actively the enslaved peoples of the soviet union in 1960 reacted to the fact that their children entered prague, or how acutely the enslaved peoples of the soviet union, how acutely they showed their internal resistance to the imperial
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narrative and reacted to what was happening in afghanistan, and no one can say that no one knew, because they told how they killed, how they robbed, and i saw and talked with them who participated in that, for example, the people of lviv, the beautiful people of lviv, they alone performed international duty, the latter were just doing their military duty, so to speak, and only a small fraction of people in the former empire dared to do what is called an act, when they went out, after that they were arrested, yes, well, i didn't i want to analyze nationality, but there were such people, and in my opinion, the key, or the correctness of the approach, is that we should become self-sufficient for ourselves, when we will not be needed, well, take,
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for example, a famous spanish forgive me, of course there is spanish in quotes latin language, well, we don't know about it, it can trigger someone in catalonia, but we don't know about it. we don't know about its existence, the same here in our country, the catalans know everything about it, yes, yes, that's why our task is to shape our intra-ukrainian discourse, to express those people to whom we will listen, because the key history, it is also going back to the events of a century ago, it is an apology for nihilism, it killed, nihilism killed people much more than imperialism, because nihilism... planted not perception and denial, nihilism struck at the foundations of what is called human european civilization, and the most striking manifestation of the nihilists were the bolsheviks: we hang
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the landowners on the pope's beards, and i also see how the ukrainian intra-ukrainian discourse, it becomes hysterical, neurotic, that is, we are very we often refuse what is called, well, our own ukrainian culture. attitude to the world, when we talk about the grass that needs to be cut, i completely agree with that, and paradoxically, the ukrainian grass has been cut for more than 300 years, representatives of the russian empire and bearers of the russian discourse, they cut it, and all the same, it didn't work, and that's why, in my opinion, i sincerely believe that the task of ukraine is not just to grow a raft and honor the fence. the task is to support what is called an internal ukrainian elite, which would make it impossible and unnecessary to have a discussion with any latina, something to discuss. not interesting, no one will come, as long as it is interesting,
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then it will work, as for possible coexistence on the same continent, i don't i know simple answers, there are no simple answers, what the german nation did for some miserable 30 years, when it threw the continent, well, just into ruins, it's just crazy. emperor wilhelm, that's all, the crazy corporal, that's all, but here the key task is not how we will behave, but with whom we will talk, what processes should be carried out in order for this dialogue to be possible, sometime in 20 , for 30 years, i don't know what huge efforts have to go, but we have seen similar examples, and one, well, the beginning
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this is called denazification. when everything associated with nazism is condemned, this was the case in relations with france, between france and germany, and the french have not forgotten everything, it was in the relations between poland and germany, yes, because millions of people were killed by the nazis, and millions people were killed by people who were forced to become collaborators on the territory of poland, that is, millions of people were killed, that is, not during the war, but simply killed, but physically, as if killed, and this is very serious, and this is a huge trauma for the entire continent, but we we see what is called the european union, but the key story is a recipe that can be used, except for the gallows for denazification, this is a rhetorical question, i would like to voice it for everyone, thank you,
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i had a slightly different remark. i would like to remind you that the russians stopped the political revenge three times, in august 1991, when we had practically no real resistance, to the actions of people who wanted to return everything to the soviet union, clitically, in 1993, when in fact the same there was an attempt at nazi-communist revenge, and in in 1996, when a communist almost would not have won the presidential elections of russia, i will convince you. for one of these attempts to succeed, all that we have would have started simply earlier and it is not known what would have happened to us in the situation in which we were then, so maybe we should thank these people that they at least moved this revenge a little and gave us the opportunity to at least become some kind of state, imagine russia's attack on ukraine in 1996 or 1998 and what happened to our population then, i'm not saying that we remember what happened during tuzly, in 2000
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year, a really united revenge, prepared in lubyanka, so that no one could resist him, those who tried ended up in prisons, and the same khodorkovsky, so i wouldn't, they lost, we haven't lost yet , we have a chance to win, because they have a state, they lost theirs, but in this situation to send them home is like sending german anti-fascists to the reich, so willy brandt entered berlin in a norwegian army uniform and then became federal chancellor and knelt before the monument to the victims of the uprising in the warsaw ghetto, and there would have been no willi branta, this kneeling down would not have been possible , and there would not have been the german nation that we know now, a nation that repents for a crime, by the way , it must be understood that the germans of the first post-war years years did not repent for anything, well, that is, that everyone got rid of them, repented , internally no, a change of generations was necessary, and so here i do not, i also do not think that we should discuss with the russians all the time. about what we should do, this is a mistake, what is wrong with us, i
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discuss with russian experts on a large scale number of sites, for one simple reason, i don't ask them what to do, i tell them what to do, which is what i was trying to talk about, and i'm not going to gain the authority that i have gained there for decades with the russian-speaking audience, i'll tell you honestly , no, not in russia itself, in russia itself i always have an audience of no more than 10, 15, 20% of the total even russian conditional audience, they don’t like me there, i know why, well, fine, but i’m not going to have the authority that i have a global russian-speaking audience in the world. to give solovva with kiselvy for the simple reason that i understand the authority of american jewish organizations there, the authority of people there, what are the possibilities of people who live in israel and vote there or not vote for their own, i want these people to be on on the good side, because if we lose the dialogue with them, we can lose the dialogue with those who push the buttons to help
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ukraine in the congress, who vote for us in the european parliaments, because they are all voters, it doesn't matter what language they speak voter, it does not matter who he votes for, if i could debate in english or french or german in the same way, i would also do it to the same extent, but my linguistic fate has turned out the way it has turned out, i will to study, thank you, may i make a small remark about the existence of enslaved peoples and their ethical choices, what you, antina, touched on, of course, there is no black and white here, and these are quite complex mechanisms, and it is difficult for the eye from the outside, but in i have, for example, a very intimate such a small example that i have decisive in my biography, my father in 1968, as a young conscript soldier, refused to go to czechoslovakia, and this
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had almost catastrophic consequences for the whole family, many decades to come, and nevertheless, it is the ethical choice on which i grew up and he shaped me to a great extent, and now that my father has had two strokes, he doesn't speak very well, but when he started to speak again, he went back to that moment and said that he always wondered why he did that, and said that he did it because he thought it was right, and now he thinks it's so that i 'm not ashamed of his way now, it's very...' a personal story, it 's not really a universal recipe, but i believe very much, maybe this is a rather idealistic vision, and yet i very much believe that the small ethical choices of people in authoritarian regimes, within authoritarian
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regimes, even if it is a threat or some apparent harm to them, they still have consequences in the future, like the butterfly effect, those people who later can grow from them will break the backbone of this regime. mrs. yevgenia, i would like to ask you for a rhetorical question or for your reflection, i am the only one who , when i was listening to both vitaliy and kateryna, and returning anyway, since we do not have much time left, returning to our main, main topics about the maidan, i... think about what an interesting human nature is and how amazing the ability, in particular of ukrainians, to ignore so many danger signals for so many years, i think about it and think about what i remember,
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i remembered just now , when we said when they also talked about the annexation of crimea, and when they talked about, about the fact that it was all about the war that started later, i remember the first time in my life when i heard the phrase crimea is ours, it was in 1998 and it was on the arabat arrow, where my parents and i went to the sea and there i met a boy from peter , who was 10 years old, and he said to me, a child, so is our crimea, we will take it from you, it was the year 98, that is, it was, it was me often, i often bring up this episode from my childhood, when people tell me that this is putin's war, that if it weren't for putin, nothing would ever happen, that this is putin's russia and so on and so forth, it was 1998, and it was before any putin, it was before putin even appeared, that is, putin appeared on request, i apologize, well, the statement
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of the press secretary of the president of the russian federation, that the russian federation does not make any territorial claims to the former, to the former. of the soviet republics until the moment when these republics will be in the union with the russian federation, she was, and this was a statement from the name of the president of russia, it was made public on august 24, 1991, you can, what other signals do you need, you can ignore it, well , ukrainians taught shevchenko in soviet schools, make love with charmers and not with muscovites, because with muscovites, foreigners do evil to you , it wasn't a signal, i don't understand, and i can only imagine what percentage of violators of this commandment are now in this hall, yes, well, we say it for nothing. that this lawn, they've been trying to mow for, well, how many, almost 400 years, that is, they've been trying
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cut, and we understand where they started, they started, oddly enough, from the church, the end of the 17th century, 1688, their task was to absorb the ukrainian orthodox church, the second point of their struggle was the destruction of the ukrainian greek catholic church, and this is the so-called church-religious issue. it was extremely important, and we understand how miraculously it is possible now, how much time has been compressed, yes, that is, it is possible to reverse what they cut or tried to shape during centuries, what we are now reaping this slowness or seeing, this is leading , leading a large number of those people who can simply be called priests, but this... uh, this has been going on for centuries, and now we are also seeing historical
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moments, yes, when the church, the ukrainian church, returns to ukraine, this is also an extremely important moment, this may be a separate discussion, and the fact that the religious religious factor will play a much greater role than it seems to us now, well, it is true, thank you, we have literally left couple of minutes, right? i remember how in the beginning in 2000, putin brought to moscow a new chief rabbi of russia, and a man whom he announced as the chief rabbi in the presence of a real chief rabbi, and i always think , well, why does he still have his own rabbi, well, in the end, this is some kind of schizophrenia, well now i can see why, because now this bogus chief rabbi sits at all meetings, talks about the banderites, answers putin's right questions, as always, and so with the church, for what it was needed. orthodox church
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to incorporate the kyiv metropolitanate, that's it the fact that, by and large, they made the ukrainian national church a part of their civilizational world , we have to say this, we were lucky in this territory, in belarus they simply destroyed the greek catholic church, which was attended by 90% of the population there, planted a russian the orthodox church, actually destroyed the belarusian national identity , we can see what is happening to the belarusians , now i thank... this civilizational experiment, why is it so here, and so here, and because there was actually a roof created there moscow over the ukrainian church, and there was simply an invasion of the russian church, like in galicia in the 40s and 50s of the 20th century, with the only difference that priests from ukraine came here from the ssr, and there simply from the russian empire, this is not the same thing, and here is the result, so i also think that this is a very serious issue and i apologize, i will also intervene, i once had
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to attend a service of god in 2004, where the priest directly told the parishioners that they should leave here and vote for yanukovych, well, i even roughly guess what denomination was that priest, i can roughly guess, something suggests something, everything became obvious to me when the new patriarch, kirill, the russian patriarch. placed the flags of all cis member states near his throne. that is, he was the first to do something that even putin did not dare to do at that time. and it was an absolutely clear demonstration of intentions, civilizational intentions. and then, come to think of it, it's only the church, the church is built first. first , the russian church denotes the territory, and then the territory is designated by the russian church a russian tank is coming. it's very simple , the flag of the ussr has always had a globe. earth. offends ambitions, but i can just illustrate very briefly, i have a relation
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to the globe, it was just very imprinted on my mind from childhood, i even remember this passage by skira bulychov, from his cycle adventure of seliznihovoy forests, simple the lords and popes of professor seliznyov, who collected animals for cosmaso and they flew, so these exotic animals were collected throughout the galaxy, and here they are flying, this is to things that would become a cartoon mystery of the third planet. which some of you may have watched, and in the book, here they fly in search of dr. virkhovtsev, one of the protagonists, to the planet pataliputra, which is the largest market for exotic animals, and there all the cosmic races have their own hotels, according to their living conditions and their needs , and the human race also has its own hotel there, guess what it's called, if anyone has read it, maybe they know, well, it's called volga volga. and it was made in the form of a russian terim and a porter there in kosovorodka, and he says when they come to look for dr. verkhovtsev
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in such a russian language that you tell him the opposite. we will ask him to move out of our esteemed inn. that is, the human race is represented by the russian language and russian civilization, there are no other, american, british, or other great civilizations that could fly into space, in their minds. well, this is the 15th frame, that's how it was, i once saw the film captain grant's children soviet, no one paid attention to it, because it. a children's film about the search for captain grant, but one of the series began with how marko vavchok meets jules verne and we know him, and the person, the publisher who introduces marko vavchok to jules verne says, here is maria oksanna vilynskaya, she writes in ukrainian , of course, she is a beautiful russian the translator, you know, is in russian, and how beautiful she is,
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she translated you into russian, and markova sits down with jules verno in shock, and what jules verno asks her is ukrainian. and how is turgenev ivan sergeevich, nothing, oh, say hello to him, i never do i'll write, and that's it, but listen, when the children watch it, in fact, then they tell you that the crimea, why, our crimea, jules verne will never write like ivan sergeyevich, already yesterday he committed suicide in the paris hotel, after reading moo-moo, here you have all the civil, yes, from this circle because we are still hypertrophying it, you see, we are still living, and this is an important point that needs to be put on this point of our discussion by and large , that we have comes from the russian svi, i beg just rhetorically a point from yevgenia, i immediately remembered the joke for muma, when
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, when i told muma in dog language why, i think that on this humorous... note we will end our discussion, maybe there is still time for questions, i don't know, for too long sorry, there is no time for questions, time is not wasted, time is up, i am sincerely grateful to you, dear panelists , i am sincerely grateful to you, the ukrainian army is advancing halfway from bakhmut, trying to bypass the city from the flank, after two months of continuous heavy fighting, the zsu was established control over klishchiivka and andriivka, we talked with the participants of the assaults and military analysts in order to understand what is happening on this part of the front now, and what prospects for moving forward are open to the ukrainian grouping of troops in this direction, this is the reality of donbas,
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congratulations, yes! let's pass a little at a time, sow there, we meet, we all meet, good, in touch, we have advanced to one house , we, soldiers of the 80th amphibious assault brigade, the fifth separate assault brigade, the separate combined assault brigade of the lud police , completed the task, liberated the settlement of klishchiivka, klishchiivka was liberated by several ukrainian brigades, including the tsunami regiment, the recently created assault brigade
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of the lut police force, for the vast majority of its soldiers, the storming of the village was the first combat experience. well, we have already entered the village, but to us, well, the guys still have an approach, they cleaned the road, the landing , which leads so that there is a road to enter the village itself, the village is simple, it is not wide, but very long, that is, everything is there on lodon and very long streets are going, we are advancing everything, everything, we are advancing. it's the way there, probably dear, that, well, something constantly flies, something lands near you, this, there, well, a shooting range - this, it is not at all like that, not
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