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welcome to the espresso channel: one war - different theaters of war, this assessment in the context of our war with the russian federation, sounded against the background of the events that are currently unfolding around israel, but it is quite likely that this is not the latest escalation and not the last war that will shake other countries as well. world, such a conclusion was already made by a number of international analytical structures, and to them, by the way, the statements of the head of the main intelligence department of the ministry were added to them of defense of ukraine, kyryl budanov, who stated that now we see several conflicts that at first glance seem regional, but they are all connected to each other and to the same countries that are involved in these processes, so according to his objective or by subjective

assessments, we are quickly approaching a global war. what do such conclusions or forecasts regarding a global or world war mean primarily for ukraine, what should be prepared for, what will change and what priorities should be determined by ukraine itself and its partners in these conditions. that's what we will talk about talk with our leading experts in the next issue of our military program. my name is segii sgurets, i am the director of the information and consulting company defense express, which, together with spresso channels, strives to highlight the most relevant trends and events in the security and military environment, and now we are joined by anton mikhnenko, an expert in the field of security and defense technologies. mr. anton, i am glad to welcome, see and hear you on the air. greetings, mr. serhiy, glad to see you. first of all, i would like to ask you if you personally agree with conclusions.

we of the same kirill budanov, other experts, that we are already so rapidly approaching a global or world war, and then what tension points may arise if, in addition to our war with russia, such other directions or sources of confrontation appear and where they can be, in principle, if you just paint the current picture that we have now in the current situation, we have the war in ukraine, the escalation of the territory of israel, we have, we see the ambitions that china has today in relation to taiwan, which now relations between the united states and china, and, in general, we see the situation that is happening in africa, which is the influx of refugees now from the side of africa, directly on the territory of europe, that is, in general, we see such a general picture that can give the impression that indeed, the world is approaching a global war, let's say so, but nevertheless, i would be more optimistic,

escalation in one or another region of the world has always happened, escalation happened in israel, and war also happened in israel not for the first time, wars happened and in other regions of the world, but i would not dramatize and draw such concrete conclusions from the fact that there will be a global war. nevertheless, the signs that the aggravation of such a general security situation in the world definitely exist, there are definitely risks and there are risks that can lead to such a serious, let's say, including a global war, but let's hope, nevertheless, that this will not happen, and the tolerance and consideration of politicians, the military-political leadership of the united states, and china, and other countries so that such a global war does not occur, let's say, well, you see, i see that i adhere to more optimistic approaches than a number of our experts, but in any case, do moscow's ears prick up in certain areas of tension, that's when we will mention there the situation about crimea, you remember crimea, then in the 15th year

, they start, the enemies, start hostilities in syria, start a war in syria, which distracts the attention of the world community there, then this flow is formed, so what? just forces europeans to look at their own internal problems that unexpectedly arose in their field and then the question arises whether you see any such unmasking signs that indicate that in fact russia is involved in the situation there and around in israel and in other regions of the world some such markers , which cannot be ignored? to be honest, of course, the ears stick out. ears are pricking, i think that they are scratching it in moscow and, if you just carefully pay attention again, pay attention to the situation in israel, then definitely turn attention, who benefits from it, who benefits from the aggravation of this situation, what is the reaction of the russian federation to

the current moment in relation to the events in israel, has the attention of the world community shifted from ukraine, from ukraine to israel, if we simply find the answer to these questions, then we see yes, indeed, now the world community will focus all its attention on israel , the world community has moved the issue of ukraine a little bit , in the world media in reuters, bbc, cnn, they are constantly portraying the current situation in the gas sector, the reaction of the russian federation, we see that, in principle, they are inciting the majority to a greater degree, officially declaring that let the parties find a common language between israel and the palestinians, so that... there is no such confrontation, but unofficially, we see how russian propagandists depict the situation in israel, how they portray israel itself in a negative light, and therefore we understand that, in fact, moscow's ears are pricked in this context, they have distracted attention, they, in addition to distracting attention,

they are trying at the expense of these events, which taking place in israel, spread their own narratives, its key narrative in the media space is that ukraine allegedly sells weapons on the territory of israel, and thus with how to influence the position of the world community so that our partners look more closely at ukraine in the context of providing weapons, may have limited even the provision of weapons, and this is again the steps of the russian federation aimed at driving a wedge in the relations between our western partners and ukraine, the possibility of getting ukraine weapons and military equipment from partners, and all this just proves that the russian federation is hearing about how they use drivers in israel, and not only these examples are related to the fact that they began to transfer the weapons that were captured in ukraine in order to create these media companies, in order to make it difficult to supply already european or american weapons, there were two more interesting fragments in budanov's interview, he talked

about the fact that this project had just started working on the territory of lebanon radio station sputnik, in arabic in a language with such a russian narrative and what, the second thing that i was very interested in there was that on the 24th or september, the russian space apparatus there was carrying out radio reconnaissance , intercepting satellites, the signal satellite was also moved to another orbit so that the israeli zone would fall into the zone of operation this soup of the russian satellite, that is, we can actually say that they knew, prepared and provided assistance not to israel at all, but to those countries that started, well, these actions with the attack by hamas on israel. but i would like to ask whether risks can be expected now for european countries, because literally yesterday or the day before yesterday there was information that the gas pipelines of the cable network between estonia and finland were also disrupted, that is

, this is another example, which can also be said to have hardly been without the russian participation, your assessments of this case and what threats to europe may exist now from the actions that russia can provoke among nato countries, an interesting question, in fact, we just have to understand everyone and partners, i am convinced of this too understand, the russian federation is used to acting asymmetrically, if they fail to act head-on, fail to achieve their own goals at the expense of their military capabilities, they cannot win on the battlefield, and we see that they cannot do this, they are trying to act. and symmetrically using various monetary opportunities, gas blackmail, we know very well how they used, if recently in the past, the creation of certain foci around the world, the aggravation of relations with, let's say, the united states, or

european partners with other countries, in africa, in asia and so on, that is, they are trying to kindle this fire of danger, to create this global war, so that the whole world is threatened, let's say, in such a global confrontation, and against the background of this confrontation, they are trying to find one's own capabilities in order to achieve one's own goals, this is a tactic, a strategy, you can call them whatever you want, but these are the actions of the russian federation, which are traditional. and i see that the europeans understand this perfectly, we understand it perfectly, and for what, and the key the question of what to prepare for in the future, of course, it is necessary for europeans to monitor those opportunities and those , let's say, threads that still remain in europe's relations with the russian federation, in europe's relations with african countries, in europe's relations with asian regions, because there were areas of interest, let's say, of european countries in africa. we know the situation in mali, by the way, a vivid example, there are dangerous moments that they will

think about, try these firing positions points around the world to fan and thus distract the attention of europeans, who believed that these regions were, so to speak, or in partnership relations, or were ready to further develop, so that they would look at europeans in a different way, that is, the main task of the russian federation now - this is to destabilize the world, they are oriented towards it, we have to understand all this very well, i think that the europeans also understand and see this, and these things that are happening on the border of finland, estonia, on the border of finland and russia federations, they will continue to move, russia will try to provoke, take actions in order to divert attention at the global level, we see how they are doing in ukraine in general, if we simply analyze the front line, how ukraine opposes the russian federation, we know that we are advancing in the south, russia at one time tries to attack in the kupinsky direction, to act in this way. in the same way, it is trying to act in the south and divert our forces and means, i.e., this is

a method characteristic of the russian federation actions in relations or in general in the conduct of hostilities, and we have something to get used to. mr. anton, you said that actions by european countries are predicted and desired , then the question arises, what should be the strategy of the ukrainian side, because as we see, threats are growing, the possibility of scaling military conflicts is increasing, the focus of attention of our couples may be distracted, then the question arises, what priorities should ukraine form in these conditions in relations with partners, and it is possible to resort to some measures of its own directions that would not depend on what wishes or visions our partners will have, well, by the way, you have raised a very important question and a very relevant question, because constantly living, let's say, on a needle from our partners in the context of arming military equipment , we cannot be like this all the time, and the partners understand perfectly well that they have their own interests, their own opportunities, and they also have to cover their own

needs, and therefore in ukraine it is very important and very relevant for ukraine, this is the development of the defense-industrial complex , separately, in general, the security and defense sector, if we simply talk about the defense-industrial complex, then this is production and try to move as much as possible in the direction that we should be minimally dependent on partners for key models of military equipment, okay, we get there, but we have to understand , what service, repair, equipment, we can do in ukraine, if we are talking about ammunition of different calibers, then of course, again, a relevant and important issue is the creation of an entire line of ammunition that will to be manufactured in ukraine or in neighboring countries, or with the creation by creating separate enterprises or joint enterprises or the creation of separate enterprises on the territory of ukraine or outside it, we have to equip our capabilities to the maximum, and this is very urgent, you see how brilliant the situation is when all the experts began to talk about the fact that the united states will divert attention to israel, it will not be able

to provide both countries with weapons, and the united states officially had to make an official statement, saying that we are capable of israel to help, and to help ukraine, but nevertheless, the precedent itself is evidence that we have to pay attention to this, we have to prepare for what can happen at any moment in such a way that the united states will have its own needs, and we understand what they can arise and in which region of the world and we have to prepare for this already yesterday, as they say, no, no, not tomorrow, not the day after tomorrow, already yesterday, it is good that within the framework of ramsteim, which recently took place, the question was just raised, what about strengthening the capacity of ukraine, namely under this issue hides the aspect of strengthening defense and industrial capabilities so that we can produce the lion's share of military equipment in ukraine to equip our defense forces. mr. anton, you have close contacts with various enterprises of our defense industry. you also have contacts with foreign companies that are already working in our market or are trying to cooperate, which

specific problems or areas require such special attention from our authorities, the ministry of defense, so that the effectiveness this short-term or long-term was the most productive, which prevents us from working even more efficiently than we have been working until now, look, in fact, we have a key point, well, two several k points, let's say this, is the defense industry, we know very well that it in ukraine, it is still divided into private and public segments, if the private segment is, in principle , trying to develop independently, including by developing its own... opportunities, both on its own and in partnership with other countries, there are a number of of private companies in ukraine, which already have contracts and memoranda regarding cooperation with partners abroad, this greatly strengthens the capabilities of our defense-industrial complex. the second point is the cooperation of the private sector, the defense sector in ukraine, with foreign companies

. again, the private sector is flexible enough, and it is able, in particular, to adapt to the repair of the military equipment supplied to us by our partners, those themselves, let's say, radio electronic intelligence equipment, equipment of radio-electronic warfare, equipment, other military equipment, the same artillery pieces, volley fire actions, that is, the repair of this equipment, this can also be a key part, which should be directed to both the public and private sectors, of course, but the creation of conditions at the legislative level , for these enterprises to work effectively, this is a very important moment, because with the private sector, it is easier for foreigners to find a common language, it is easier to develop, if we talk about the state segment, we have been talking about the reform of corrobromprom for many years after its shareholding, yes, a certain process has begun, but again, it is taking a lot of time, the state sector must be shareholding, there must be a joint-stock company, we must allow our foreign partners to become, can

buy a share of these public segment joint-stock companies, in order to so that internal funds appeared, which could be invested in the development of production and in the development of the creation of new models of military equipment, that is, the process, to put it simply, the process of its renewal of the state sector of the defense-industrial complex, it is very relevant and still remains , and we have to bring it quickly enough, let's say at the moment that satisfied our partners and was flexible enough for the state itself, because this is a sufficiently large potential, which is still to the end not used, regarding the creation of: joint ventures for the state segment, the same issue has been discussed many times, so that our state-owned enterprises have the opportunity to create joint ventures with foreign companies, again the shareholding process here rests one of those key points, this again is the establishment of the corporation of joint stock companies, and it has to be moved from this point, which it is now, it is happening, but

slowly, it needs to be accelerated, and again, if we talk about regulatory regulation, this is definitely precisely the creation of joint ventures with foreign partners, the creation of the most adaptive conditions for investments, the protection of these investments, the verification of control over these investments so that they are aimed directly at the creation of new samples of armed military equipment, that is, there are certain problems, and i see that they are moving , but again, the movements should be much faster, but i listened to you carefully, i had such a question during the campaign, we are talking about the correct mechanisms. .. market economy, to which our foreign partners are accustomed, and now we take our reality , hostilities, the need for armed forces and the feeling that it is possible, on the contrary, a rigid management system in the format of a military economy, which has not yet started in our country, could be more productive, these are two realities, are they really possible to combine them in ukraine, because one option is market, the other, let's say, so

strict management, which is more effective in your opinion, where we should now... make the main emphasis, a difficult question, you know , but still, i'm more pro-market, i'm more pro-market, because the market dictates , and the market definitely, and right now we're at war, and definitely, look, the private sector, i'll give you a prime example, some private sector enterprises, who were engaged in one direction, now in these conditions they are engaged in a completely different direction, and foreign partners first of all contact them, relatively speaking, there are armored vehicles... m113, which the partners there handed over to us, is a private sector, which has already been destroyed to the point that to repair, and already foreigners, the same americans, agree to provide opportunities for development in this private sector, these private companies will continue to repair these american cars, and what do we say about the state segment, the state segment now for today the moment is more focused on the repair and restoration of that military equipment, there is the ministry of defense of soviet production, which was

modernized during the time of ukraine, but what to say about foreign samples, what to say: about those samples that are supplied to us by private companies, here is another moment, and so , you raised an important topical topical issue about the need for a hard vertical, but a hard vertical in a war is needed to regulate the rules of the game and the rules of the game in the market, and those rules of the game are followed as both the public and private segments, and the rigid vertical, okay, tomorrow we will make tanks for 50 tanks, everything is going forward, everyone is working, no one else cares, this is a completely different thing. it works in a different way in life, as they say, we think so, the state knows that it needs 50 tanks, 100 bmps, 100 artillery systems, artillery systems, 300 rocket systems of fire support, this is state defense. order, okay, go ahead, let's work , this and that enterprise will fulfill, and why, maybe one of these enterprises will be better perform than another enterprise, the main thing is for the state to create the conditions for this

market to be regulated independently, the state must eventually adopt a normal program for the development of armed military equipment so that everyone in ukraine and abroad understands that, okay, in ukraine, although she is fighting, in three years she wants to switch completely to naletank 2, okay, we want, we want to switch completely to naletank 2 in 5 years, we will drive m113s, who will repair which state defense order, but here the state must specifically and clearly say control so that it is observed and implemented for several years to come, not two or three years, many more years, because this is an important point from the point of view of control in terms of war, well, that is , in fact, we have to talk about the fact that despite the conditions of war, we have to introduce market mechanisms that will be understandable to the europeans , if if... we are talking about the fact that we have to buy 1000 new bmps, then we have to announce a tender, determine the price parameters of this tender, invite potential partners and then on

the normal market there tender conditions to start creating our new component of our defense industry for the production of bmp, this is how it looks, if we don't do it, just look, we'll just come to it anyway, we'll come to it anyway, we 've identified ourselves with the western community, the western' works and acts according to its own rules, which are defined there, and sooner or later, as we did not strive there very much, we argued, but sooner or later we will be forced to borrow the mechanisms that exist there, and sooner or later we will play by these rules of the game, they are transparent enough, and we can not say, let's say there, an open tender, can close, make this tender closed, but we just have to decide, okay, guys, we have the rules of the game, we accept these rules of the game, we act within the framework of these rules of the game, we we will try... to comply with them, but remember, we have a war, we will be tougher, more specific and more demanding that all this is observed both by our partners and by us, and this is one moment, another

once again , transparency is important for our partners, because the russian federation using his narratives, he will constantly talk about the fact that ukraine is a corrupt country, everything is stolen there, that ukraine resells and the more transparent we are to our partners, the more to... to our partners, it is not necessary to be transparent to the russian federation, it is not necessary to be at all, i am talking about our partners , the more we will create trust in our partners, now we are emotionally in theirs, in their minds, we still have to practically prove that we are in theirs consciousness, mr. antony, thank you very much for your professional comments, i hope that these approaches are related to the combination of market conditions and war conditions, after all, we will be balanced in the decision. i would like to remind our authorities and our viewers that my interlocutor was anton mikhnenko, a military expert on security and technology. and then we will continue our

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of what is happening in israel. you are now actively analyzing combat operations in different countries, what equipment is used, what weapons are used and the russian federation and other countries, and so we wanted to hear from you what conclusions we should draw from the first stage of the military campaign that is currently taking place in israel, around israel, what is important that we should highlight from the approaches that the country uses in the fight against its enemies, you know, my comment... i want to start with gratitude, here i see the signature under us, the war will be global, how to prepare for it in ukraine, this is in continuation of the words and comments of the very calm, professional, professional lieutenant general kyril bodanov, the head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, and all that we see, our regional, so-called regional war, ukrainian-russian, or

the events that are currently taking place in israel, and in the middle east, in general, one way or another , today everything, all of them are a continuation of those textbook operations that took place in the middle east in the early 90s. i always cite khrestomaty for aviators first of all as an example, and for specialists of the so-called joint operations, this is what so or otherwise, anyway, any serious breakthrough operation begins with an air attack, first of all, these are means, means of air delivery of ammunition, then they are connected, missile troops and in the future the ground component must move, that is the logic that applies to ukraine, which from the conclusions of this, unfortunately, due to the insufficient quantity and even insufficient quality, are still

today aviation... means of destruction that are available in ukraine.