[000:00:00;00] the constitution, the tsar wants the tsar, they kill me, i don't remember which one of them , mykola mykola, in my opinion, or who, i already have, or alexander, no, in my opinion, yes, they were killed, i absolutely agree with you about dmitry is lying, because he was the only liberal tsar who always had ivan nikalita from there in their entire history , or from where they take the beginning of their statehood, and really, he is the only one who tried to give freedom, who tried to enlighten this a little.. .'s code and by and large he was killed for that, not that he is he forgave the shooters, who were the first institution that was against him, he also forgave them, but russia is not the kind of country in which you can behave like that, a country, if he forgave, then the king is weak, and here, and here and there is no other logic here, then catherine ii, well, she also came with some voltaire ideas about life, some kind of constitution, but in the end she became a despot, because she understood that you cannot hold this russia otherwise,

but this... we got distracted by history, i still want to ask you about israel, you know on the one hand, it can break out as a big war in the middle east, on the other hand, those practices of warriors in the middle east that were, we see that they did not last long, both the 73rd and the 48th years, well, that is, it all lasted for a certain time, on the other hand, the gas sector is roughly like kharkiv, well, maybe plus or minus there, that is, we understand that it is not 1,200 km of the front that is currently burning in ukraine, there from kherson oblast and all the way to sumy oblast, well, also 300 , that is, in principle, this issue can be resolved with the support of the united states of america, whether third countries will intervene here, now egypt is building a wall on the border with the gas sector, does not want to see anyone in it, that is, it is certain that there will be no support, but there is a lion, there is syria, well, there is jordan and so on, but jordan is also , in my opinion, quite clear in this situation, who can, as they say, breathe oxygen into this fire, well, you know, the problem may be

primarily with ms. netanyahu, because... his prime ministership, his policies and his leadership of the security forces, it actually created the favorable conditions that used by terrorists, and now in order to somehow block this one a mistake, and the special service, most importantly, his politicians, he can, you know, bend this stick a little, and of course, from what is happening now on the ground, the number of victims, but i literally looked before the broadcast, what, based on the palestinians themselves, they say about the fact that about 700 children have already died in the gas sector. of course, this could change the picture that emerged in the first days of the invasion, and the dodgy attitude of the west , including those governments that have been quite critical of israel until now, especially about its policy

of expansion in the occupied territories and disregarding the idea of, let's say, a state of two peoples, of course it can happen, but the most important thing, of course, is the way iran behaves, it looks like it did not really hope and count on such an outcome, most likely, it was planned as such a very powerful blow in order to show that israel can be defeated by armed means , which means that these hamasites could release their own, that is, accomplices from israeli prisons, that is, it was almost, well, quite brutal, but not so brutal, non -genocidal essentially its operation, and right now, we actually don't see iran getting involved directly, well, we know, it knows that iran does not have nuclear weapons, there are missile systems, there are drones, yes, there are a large number of special services and the army, but there are no nuclear weapons, neither does israel there are no nuclear weapons, but israel can use them, and everyone knows it well, and so i don't think there is an appetite for raan

directly. intervened, but it is very telling that iran does not encourage or give instructions to hezbollah from libya to start any active combat operations, because it is the most powerful group that is in the presence of, let's say, in of iran, and most likely, iran will use the full power of these proxy groups on the lebanese territory in syria , infiltrated somewhere there, only in the event that there is an executive threat to iran's power, so this is one story, the second story is two united aircraft carrier groups a minute , mr. oleksandr, let me just orient you a little, unfortunately, we have limited, but please agree , your opinion, that is, in principle, now it depends on how net yagu conducts this campaign, the second point, of course, i hope that the american presence deters all others, diplomacy and blinkin, today he is saudi, i’m sorry, in the arab emirates, before that he was in jordan, there in

others, i’m sorry, that is, in principle, i hope that this problem will be localized, occupied and then this conflict will not spill out for the territory of the state of israel and, accordingly, there will be no... oil shock, there will be no shelling and other things, there will be no involvement of americans, europeans directly in this conflict, because of course this is extremely bad for us, both shock, energy, and all the attention, which is chained to of the region, as well as those grounds that the trumpians in congress use to deprive ukraine of aid. thank you very much for your professional comments. oleksandr khara was with us, a diplomat, an expert of the center of defense strategies on foreign and security issues. politicians, we will now take a very short break, then we will continue to talk about israel with an expert, actually , who will tell more about it, a little history, we will touch on the present and the prospects of the israeli

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to bite back, that is. today there was a wave of alarm over israel, continued, continued, such you, not you, indiscriminate rocket strikes on peaceful israeli cities, well, israel has already announced that it is already fully prepared for a ground operation, with, it is already known, that the population from the north is being evacuated very actively, gases and well, there is a possibility that such measures will already begin. no, there are some separate groups, already massed to the north gaza, where the population is being evacuated from the gaza strip, despite the fact that, let's say, egypt has closed its borders and does not accept refugees, so far the evacuation is from north to south, and there, this population is gathering, as far as i

know, there are negotiations between '. egypt in this regard, because hamas and the government of turkey, they are somewhat related ideologically, and maybe qatar will join in some way, which was constantly sponsored and supported by hamas, that is , it seems to me that this problem is now being solved, because there are really so many people, well, somewhere it is necessary to act, because to remain in such and such a zone of such, well, not that it is impossible and not necessary, which will attack the israeli army, above all the israeli army after the start of the ground operation in the territory of the gaza strip, once again please, i do not know, what is the purpose of the israeli army, especially their ground operation in the gaza sector.

well, the goal of the israeli army was announced by the political leadership, which set this goal, it is primarily the physical destruction of hamas as a military structure, everyone who holds weapons in the gaza strip, everyone who is shelling, everyone should have been either destroyed or captured, in any way, well, in any way, the existence of this structure should be terminated, and according to your... estimate, how long will this operation take, when it begins in full force , how much, well, approximately how much time is given, or is it expected to take to clear the gas sector from terrorists, first of all? well, it is very difficult to say, because everyone knows that there is a powerful underground structure that hamas has been preparing for many years, and how much even if from the surface

will be able to capture this territory, the cleaning of the underground structure will continue for some time, for which it is necessary to use special units of special special forces , and how long it will last, and what about the population, how quickly it will be possible to evacuate it from the area, so that the tzahal will be able to use more, let's say, large-scale heavy heavy weapons, it's hard to say, time will tell, let's try to find out... and explain to our viewers, because there are many experts now on the issue of the israeli-palestinian conflict, but few people know, so i want to call you. the population of gaza sector is how diverse it is or how homogeneous it is, and then what can be next in this territory, after this operation is successfully completed, believe it? well, the population of gaza, in itself, is quite homogenous, unlike, if you compare it with the population, all

the other arabic speaking groups in the territory of israel, udia samaria, because there are people of different origins, even there the arabs are christians and the arabs who recently became arabs , and their ancestors spoke turkic kurdish languages, kurdish languages, circassian language, and friends who distinguish themselves, and hamas is, well, we lost the connection, now we him, who once moved there in search of a better fate, and for years, say, of egyptian occupation, from 1948 to in 1967 and during the tenure of hamas in these territories, they formed some kind of community there , primarily an ideological one, due to the instilling of hatred towards

israel, and this is a fairly, fairly homogeneous group, in fact, and all those who were not. .. according to the time there was a bug when hamas was fighting for power in this territory, he was very active in actually killing supporters of other currents, palestinian in the first place, fatah, and well, in fact , in addition to hamas, there is also islamic jihad, but the difference between them is not very big and they tolerated them, first of all, it is possible that, well, because such ... such was the will of their, let's say, sponsors, that there should be another such group in the territory of gaza, and mr. vadim , the internal political situation in israel , as far as i understand from sociological data, 85%

want, i will say this, answers from the government , whether reformatting is possible authorities, or will the people be dissatisfied? become, how will this issue be resolved? no, well, what the surveys show is that the israeli population wants answers to these questions . you know, as they say, not at the right time, because really , now all, all the efforts of the authorities, are on the military for this operation, when it ends, then the time of finding the guilty will begin, and we hope that there will not be such a thing,

you know, as sometimes rewarding innocents and punishment of the innocent, last time in 1973 a special commission was created, a grenade, it was the head of the commission, the head of the supreme court, and it was looking into why and how it happened, that the attack of the arab countries was a surprise for israel, now the creation is precisely in this format of the commission, well, it will be a bit of a conflict of interests, because the supreme court, now with the rank and file and with the coalition , let's say, was a little bit in such, not very good relations before the war, and let's say, the lack of representation of such a court will be under such a commission will be under question, so it will still have to be decided in some way who should sort out who, whether it should be sorted out by the military or the government or the judiciary , well, this question is

very difficult to answer right away, but please tell me then, to what extent those people are actively discussed in israel now, first of all, should be discussed, but also the understanding of the people, the role of russia in this well-prepared invasion, which was accompanied, let me remind you, by both intelligence and a hacker attack, and it was good to hear the russian language when the militants invaded the territory of israel, that's all, well, russia openly supports hamas , it doesn't even hide it, well, for many, i think that in israel it's... a factor of some enlightenment, because really among the russian-speaking community of israel, and maybe even more and even among the hebrew-speaking, uh, community, there were many people who were sympathetic to putin, and for whom they did not understand that in fact russia, before that, the soviet union always

supported the enemies of israel, and to consider the country as congenial to israel was at least, well, somehow. .. with an exaggeration, of course some amount of such, you know, mother-of-pearl cotton wool, which, well, it is impossible to open to the eyes, they will say that it is a fake, that everything is not true, but i think that a rethinking will take place, and i wanted that in the first place, such our authorities in israel had a rethinking, which would finally understand that with russia, it is necessary to define and somehow be in the middle already between, the state of democracy and the state of uh, dictatorship already, well, it is somehow impossible, it is necessary to... switch completely to side

of light please tell me, but here is the, uh, uh, here is that, well, pipe, that’s right, you can say, the route is like this, from hydrocarbons that were supposed to go from saudi arabia through israel, then to europe, which, well, if you have information, what is the fate of it now, because many said that russia could join this war, not even to weaken ukraine's support, in order to disrupt this agreement. which could call into question the profits of china and the profits of russia itself. mr. vadim, can you hear me? ugh, did you hear my question or will you repeat it? now, now, i have here's a little skype, i messed up, i don't see you, wait a minute, well, the main thing here is that we see you, now mr. vadim will adjust the image, because television is a picture first

of all, and well, but but that, mr. vadimech, oh, we need to give you back a little and we will see you, that's right, well, we'll see now , we still have a little time, so mr. vadim will definitely answer this question, it was talked about by the way, and people, you know, always use the formula that politics there is a continuation of the economy, and war is politics by other means, they here they watched...' where is the continuation of the economy here, because very, well, very often, if not always, big wars start over territories, over resources, over money, over influences, over dominance in one or another region, and dominance - this is the possession of resources, well, we are not children, we were not born yesterday, we perfectly understand that , let's say, germany started the first world war precisely in order to expand its sales markets, because then great britain dominated and germany, in fact, which had economic surge, no i had nowhere to put it all, so of course it is necessary... to start a war and change the economic and import-export map a little, well , as for hitler, it is difficult to say where

the economy was, there is just a sick, sick person in the head, well, actually like vladimir putin, but vladimir putin is sick, sick, you know, but they count money very well, and uh, they throw money as long as there is, and they want to have the prospect that this money will continue to be there, we know very well that the russian company gazprom now has critical, critical gas production indicators, they are simple have fallen, it is no longer profitable for them to extract oil, in principle, but i understand that they pay for it extra, the oil they sold, let's say to india, the indians do not return the money to them, because it must be returned in rupees, russia does not want it in rupees, they say, give us this money that we owe you, invest in something here in india, well, you will have some, some, that's why russia needs money, you know, this story that russia can fight forever, fight forever no one can live without money and never, well, hitler's germany lost economically, soviet oil carriers after the soviet union won at stalingrad, you will see that this war turned completely the other way, or let's say if stalin at the beginning

of the invasion, when he threw his troops into romania, well, you know that when hitler invaded the soviet union, the soviet troops invaded there on the territory controlled by germany at that time, and they almost reached romania, but it didn't work out, so here we are also looking for the economy, mr. vadim, please tell me, this is the story with, with the hydrocarbon pipeline. to go from saudi arabia through israel and, as they say, beat up, beat up the support of china and russia, that they are not talking about it now, well, they are saying that really, one of the goals of this bloody operation by hamas was precisely to disrupt this, this agreement, the creation of this corridor from india, through saudi arabia, israel to europe, and in fact, well, this agreement is now in question, because the saudis, they would really like this agreement, but

they have pressure from below, let's say, because the population of all arab countries has cultivated hatred for israel for many years, and after these events, they know, well, uh, to continue, let's say this deal, is to expose well, there are very serious problems inside these countries, so... well, at best, after this gas control operation, it may take some time to return to this agreement, especially since it was already let's say, with the calculation for a long time, because it had to be ensured to be an infrastructure , ports, railway, oil pipelines, it is not a matter of one day to sign and it will all work, please tell me, but there is a vision and understanding, well,

the ground operation will be completed , how much it is didn't last, the hamas cell will be destroyed, and then, what's next, russia demands, says, let's establish a palestinian state, on the territory that it occupies today in the middle east, or let's come up with something else there, well, like this let's solve this issue, israel clearly has its own vision, is there a plan, or at least, is it communicated to the citizens of israel, what to do next , to introduce a temporary administration, some kind of filtering, re-education of the population, well, what to do, because the threat, it will be as for russia will always be a threat to us, and israel will also be a threat to those who ... consider the destruction of the state of israel to be the purpose of their existence , well, we must remember that in reality, there has not been a single, let's say, palestinian government for many, many years existed, that is, in gaza there was a hamas government, it, well, with its henchmen from the islamic jihad, these are radical islamists, in the territory of judea

samaria, the so-called palestinian autonomy, there is a government...' fatah are more secular such people, they also have a terrorist past, but they are more moderate, it is considered that they are prone to some compromises, although they do not have any legitimization, because they lost the elections and remain only because, well, primarily israel and the united states benefit from the existence of this administration, and it is precisely this administration that receives this money in palestine, it has such a representation, well, not quite state , but semi-state in many structures, and hamas, well, in fact, it was such an unrecognized structure, well, it actually existed there, was supported by many countries, and in russia they went, they were accepted there as relatives, and qatar supported them, actually transferred money for them, and turkey in some way

cheered for them, although for example, here... it was egypt that did not love them very much, because their muslim brothers, something only not so long ago in egypt, the modern government removed them from the management of the country, that is why they were dangerous for them, that is why they do not really want to accept these gas people, because they see them as some kind of danger for themselves, but maybe, maybe gas will be launched into the territory, if there is will remain the population, those fatahists, whether they can, will they be able to take power there and keep it, that is the question, because there is such a thing, you know, the population can be against them, well, everything, everything will depend on what remains there after this war, if there will be no arab population left, maybe a decision will be made to take this territory under israel , under some administration, if it remains, well, they will

decide, although this is an option... with the fact that fatah will come there, well, many in israel are not very is favorably received, in fact, such well people think that in fact israeli blood will be paid for the creation of such a thing for fatah, this palestine that they dream of, well, by the way, we have it on the video of ramalal, just as we see it, and i will ask one last question, please tell me, is there now a possibility that third powers can join this war, is there a deterrent factor in the united states of america, there are 3,000 israeli soldiers mobilized, well, this is a huge force in such a limited area, we all understand this very well, but someone has enough here unmanliness, and obviously stupidity, to intervene in this war, well, you see that hamas actually

took a suicidal step in this situation. and if they thought with their heads, and did not receive some orders from their sponsors, the chirmanichs, they would never have dared to do such a thing, the same hezbollah may also receive an order from their sponsors, let's go ahead and go on the same suicidal offensive, which will cost them a lot, and it is not a fact that hezbollah will survive such a sigh, because , well, very determined israel and the united states of america is willing, well, there has never been such a thing in history that they immediately stood up for israel, in the history of all these arab-israeli warriors, in fact, if it did join, the united states of america joined in the help, but it was just help, and not immediately, and here immediately and in fact,