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repeat at 12:10. i welcome you, dear tv viewers, on the air of the tv channel, the program studio zahid. we will analyze the most important events of this week. our guests today: roman bezsmertnyi and andrii piontkovskyi. our first guest, the iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat, roman bezsmertny. glory to ukraine, mr. roman. glory to heroes. well, israel and the arab terrorist attack on the state of israel, what do you think and who is behind it, and what scenario could unfold. now we understand that american the carrier group approached the shores of the near east. we understand that president biden gave a very clear signal. your version of how events will develop? objectively, if you evaluate the situation, there is one beneficiary in it, this is a moscow fuhrer, or he has one road, or he is pushing for a world war, and he is then a full

participant, a player, and at the end of the end, they will sit down at the negotiating table with him, or milosevic's fate awaits him, and quite quickly. to date, there are already proven facts that the trainers of private armies, including the wagnerites were trained by hamas, and the drones and missiles were partly supplied by iran, the political leadership, the development of the operation was carried out with the participation of the russian general staff and the iranian general staff, technical support, equipment, electronics were provided by china, and the arguments related to these three components, that is, the logistical and technical equipment, and the preparation and planning of the operation , the further the situation develops, the more these facts will come to the surface,

the more... iran, as it is alone in this axis evil represents the arab world, it is on itself, the nose is not, the coordination for a simultaneous attack from six positions, that is, hamas from the south, hezbollah from the north, and then the islamic jihad from the territory of syria, then the beginning of the uprising in east jerusalem, next - this is on the west bank of the jordan river, this is the fifth, and also, the uprising in tel aviv , all these directions, as we can see, were implemented, but with partial achievements of the set goal, in this such a

barbaric course of events, they were missed things which require special attention. in particular, around noon on the 7th, when haniya spoke as the head of hamas, he clearly declared: "our goal is the liberation of jerusalem." that is, it was actually about the destruction of the state of israel. as you understand, even when declaring an intifada, hamas did not resort to such political statements, that is, it is obvious that, let's say, such statements were made possible by the colossal, material, financial, advisory, tactical, and assistance and training provided by those who i called, i not to mention the fact that, well, let's at least pay attention, the attack began from the air, and

it consisted of two things, missile attacks and hang gliders, powered hang gliders, and drones. the attack began from the sea, small structures that tried to reach the shore, they simply. were destroyed by israeli ships that were on a raid, i am not talking about the fact that in this situation israel least expected an attack by the gas sector, i will explain why, every day up to 25 gas sectors went to the territory of israel, on some days up to 30 thousand workers, and this age is the most productive, i.e. 25-40 years. and it is not by chance that we see militants in white toyotas in civilian clothes, in civilian clothes, these are disguises, well, it is actually them and yachts, that is , we see a construction that actually copies

crimea, aggression in donbas, and so on, so there is no place here you look, everywhere there are ears, either moscow, or iran, or in terms of technical support, chinese. mr. roman, that is, there was coordination. between several states of the so-called axis of evil, that's how you listed them and what was the goal, that is, as far as i understand it, not only the overthrow of the state of israel as such, not only the creation of a massacre there and a corresponding political military crisis, maybe they hoped that it would be possible to raise the degree to the level of the third world war, although there is a feeling that maybe we really standing on its doorstep, i don't know if in the previous conversation when we spoke with you, i quoted... raisi's speech from the podium of the general assembly, where he said that there are a number of states that he will offer to the democratic and liberal path alternative path. actually, this is

the implementation, the beginning of the implementation of this goal. the fact that another mistake is being made now that we will now give everything to israel, and israel will solve this problem in a few days, is a mistake. what started is the same as the war and aggression against ukraine, it is a long-term thing, and now iran is storming hezbollah, jihad, syria, including jordan, even to give territory, because they are already demanding it now , to let the yemeni houthis in there, to let the taliban in from afghanistan, sooner or later in the direct the way these states are neighboring, whether it will be delivered by plane, or to the territory controlled by hezbollah in lebanon, or

to the territory of egypt, which they are attacking, or to the territory of syria, and so on, and what worries me most now is the shaky position of turkey and saudi arabia and qatar , what kind of plasticine are we, and that's the first thing. palestine and hamas and hezbollah are not the same thing, it must be clearly understood, they are far from the same thing, because the gas sector was not controlled by the palestinian government, it was controlled by a terrorist organization hamas, just as the south of lebanon is not controlled by the government of lebanon, it is controlled by hezbollah, this must be clearly understood, that is, we have enclaves, which today have become places from which israel is attacked, hence, when the moscow führer says that there is only one solution to the issue

, this is the provision there, the implementation of the un resolution of 1948, he is lying, because this decision is not recognized by hamas, it is not recognized by hezbollah, it is not recognized by palestine, so what is he talking about, that is, he is kind of fooling the whole world, they think that this is not understands no one, in fact, and the moscow f and all these iranian and chinese fundamentalists are pushing today, igniting this war, this terrorist act so that it, like the situation in the world, reaches the level of continental conflicts first, and then a global war. i no longer doubt this, because it is clear that these coordination actions, because the terrorists did not have time to reach these 13 cities, as per the statement from tehran, from qatar, saudi arabia, syria, that is , it is clear that the situation was being prepared, it

was being reworked, on the second day is more like 48 organized rallies were held in the states, when i am told about such things, i understand very well that what was accomplished, what was realized in this terrorist barbaric attack, well, it is at least a quarter, or less than a quarter of what roman petrovich, if we are talking about the reaction of the united states, it is clear, specific and, as far as i understand, uncompromising, at the same time, the united states, in particular, president joseph biden is trying. now to link three aid packages into one, in particular , it is about aid for the state of israel, for of ukraine and attention to taiwan. in the current situation, one can even have no doubt that this will be a joint package, secondly, that it will be voted on, moreover, i can tell you that it will even hit the supporters of trumpism very hard, because they are now in an idiotic situation, to cut off aid to israel and they cannot to taiwan, because it is theirs. interest, including economic, but now it turned out that

ukraine, taiwan and israel have one enemy, you understand what the situation is, and this friendship of the trumpists with the führer of moscow, it is as if becomes an obstacle, a very serious one, so it is obvious that firstly it guarantees that the package will be voted, it is obvious from my point of view, secondly, it is very serious as you can see in the course of domestic politics in the united states, including in the arrangement of persons , including the fact that it will affect the election of the chairman of the house of representatives, which is due to take place, candidates are already nominated there by republicans and so on, that is, in fact, this is the case when they would say that happiness and misfortune would not

have helped, you understand. this war, because it, it is not it's not just a terrorist attack, it's a war, and it should be treated as such, because according to what is happening, because it was planned, it 's not just what happened before, ran, shot, ran away, well, some got caught, there is clearly a plan in place, a large-scale operation and so on, so from my point of view, this misfortune and this tragedy and this barbaric attack, it really, very seriously will help many who are sick in the united states congress and certain others there to come to their senses dreams of something that will somehow succeed settle, settle this situation here, and the actions, including those of the israeli government, they clearly show that all these statements that trump made there are

completely absurd, or what happened in israel is directly related to him has russia, iran, and china. how far will the united states be forced to go now, i emphasize the word forced, yes, because we understand, well, that there was a premonition that perhaps the israeli front would slightly overshadow the front of the russian-ukrainian war. president biden tied three knots into one package. problems, russian aggression, israel and taiwan. first, it will not overshadow, and secondly, you forgive me, because i am formulating like this on the go, i have not yet honed these things, what we see now is for these human monsters who write about what, we do not know, what happened for 10 years in ukraine, and here in two days, such a nightmare, well, because you don't know, because you are raging... you had to wipe it and in the end you will see what

is happening in ukraine, and what is happening now in israel, this is the 10th year taking place in ukraine, in different numbers, in different arrays and so on, and the scale of the nightmare that is happening in ukraine, they exaggerate a hundred times what is happening in israel, but i do not measure myself by announcements of tragedies, i say once again, i am just now on the move with you, they are trying to find, well, a normal wording of these things that lie on the surface, you just need to see them, pay attention to them, i will just quote analysts, presenters who say that, what you saw now in israel, is happening every day in ukraine for many years, this is a true phrase , which is actually corresponds to what is happening, now... we need to focus, not on measuring whether

russia, iran, with china, ukrainians or jews brought more grief, now we need to focus on how to join forces, then, use these efforts competently on the battlefield in ukraine, in israel and to prevent the emergence of new flames of war, because what i am telling you about, if iran, with russia, china, manages to involve it in large-scale actions in the north, that is, where hezbollah will be involved this is lebanon, and israel will have no choice but to shell the territory lebanon. further, if the units of all these jihadist organizations on the territory of syria are involved, he notes that israel will have to fire back. i don't say there anymore the issues that are related to the jordanians and so on, because in

the end, ah, well, i don't know if the audience knows this, but the palestinians are considered de facto subjects of the monarch of jordan. if there is another thing that is not distinguished now, and hamas is taken for palestine, and palestine for hamas will become whole, and there will be battles on the perimeter of israel, well, you understand perfectly well that this will de facto develop into the third world war, and here it must be understood that the war in ukraine, in israel, are two wars that testify to the fact that the world order, shvah, has already sunk into the past, and these two wars, and for for them to establish a new world order, unfortunately, it happened in the next one, so that the next world order has to go through a war, local, continental and global, and

only then it will become clear, this should be understood, including in washington and not only in washington, because after closing the topic... debacle aggressor aggressor in ukraine and israel can talk about convening an international conference on the idea of ​​a new world order. what worries me the most right now is whether people in brussels , in washington are ready to understand what you and i are talking about now, because if we don't concentrate our efforts now and strike at this evil that is operating in ukraine from the outside. the russian aggressor is also there in israel from the side of iran, because what is happening in israel can clearly be called an israeli war against iran, it is all about ties to palestine, that's all, it's all diabolical things, it's just an iran-israeli war, where

russia and china are fighting on the side of iran, you see, there would be no iranian drones if it weren't for the chinese programs. chinese semiconductors, chinese components, i'm not talking about metals, and so on , no one is talking about it now, so it's obvious that the topic of the decision to provide assistance, and if they understand it, i hope they understand it, because, well , i managed to read the latest materials, analytical notes, which come from even former advisers bushes, carter, clinton, who actually dealt with the issue of the middle east, where they insist that america should consider the war in ukraine, the war in israel, and taiwan as a single front and understand that on

the other side are russia, iran, and china . if this happens, then we can hope for systematic, long-term help, because well , you pay attention, we hear the same sounds, in ukraine, we will help as much as we need, we will help as much as we need in israel, as much as we need , the formula is general the filling may be different, yes, we are now , i think you also analyzed the aid package that was discussed at the next ramstein, and we did not see there an extremely important reinforcement of armored groups, in particular, there was no increase in the number of abrams, attacks. and the issue with aviation, let it be the same f-16s , it is further on the agenda, that is, the matter is not developing quickly, the issue of dynamics is a key issue, in particular, when it comes to aid, because it will also affect the winter campaign , of course, it is this factor that works, and you are right

why, because now the dynamics are very important, at the same time, it is you and i who think so, but in brussels, convictions. that, on the contrary, there should be a slow dynamic in order to leave a chance for dialogue, this is what the situation is paradoxically, but in these days, when the preparations were unfolding, the attack on israel was taking place, a number of notes appeared in the western press about the fact that it is absolutely necessary to conduct a dialogue with russia, because this is the only tool to appease china with its appetites for that. understand how, that is, in fact, this vector also continues to work, here it must be understood that israel and ukraine now really need the dynamics of strengthening these processes, and there is a part of those who believe that ours is trying, when there are ways to still sit and

agree on something at the table, but you understand, this position of israel , she helps us a lot, she doesn't talk about anything with the savages, and this position, even if it is harsh, yes, even if it is not diplomatic, but it is very objective, because it makes fun of the bodies of dead soldiers and civilians. this, this is savagery. it was no accident that i said that what we are seeing now in israel is what is going on in ukraine this year, and this must be understood. if we approach it from the point of view of our characteristics with you, then we , as israel, need as active dynamics as possible, decision-making as quickly as possible. roman petrovich, i would like to ask you to comment on two important , possibly pivotal points, let it be on a tactical level, in particular , it is about the visit of the russian fuhrer to the people's republic of china and also about the announced meeting at the level

of national security advisers in istanbul, as if they would like to reanimate this or that istanbul scenario, the chimbul negotiation process. well, as for the trip to china, let’s face it, it is not known why it will happen, and if it happens, then it means another step towards china’s attack on taiwan, that’s the only way i see it, and if god forbid there will be some success in israel, then taiwan will be next , don't even doubt it, and istanbul, well , that's what i just told you about, this is the second option that is sitting, he, well, pay attention to this statement, who is the president of romania? in my opinion, he said, yes, about the restoration, yes, yes, yes, about the restoration , of the istanbul option, and for me i understood

this, well, strange statement by erdogan, when the attack on israel began, did he not orientate himself in the situation, did he not understand , that hamas is not palestinian and began to talk about the fact that, like putin, it is necessary to implement the decision of the general assembly of 1948. yes hezbollah's hamas against it, palestine liberation organization against it, against this decision, what are you talking about, in general, why israel is in this situation, and they don't understand that, well, probably, let's say this , or here, and i think they understand, just that the fool is included, in order to pretend that they are still taking some kind of peacekeeping position , will not succeed, in the situation in which we find, we are, the istanbul option falls away, i can say, it is not viable in principle , there is a possibility that, there is a possibility of a meeting of advisers,

if it is appropriate, just to talk about the global peace summit, and talk about the new world order, prepare it, let's put it this way, to prepare it based on the fact that rammstein, well, i take all these forces, has a strategic vision for today. the paradox of the situation is that literally in the south, as soon as hamas launched an attack on israel , the leadership of hamas, the leadership of hezbollah, the leadership of iran, and so on , set a clear goal. washington. goal formed in brussels? no, from here all we can see is that

we will help, that much we will do, that much it will be necessary, what is hidden behind these words, only those who say them know, i think that they do not know this either, therefore, in fact , the destabilization in the camp, here are the allies of ukraine, this is slow, and it will hurt very, very much now us, what i am with you now... i am in full solidarity with the fact that quick solutions are needed, because even prolonging the situation in israel is another step towards china's war against taiwan. thank you very much, mr. roman, for this close and honest analysis, and i want to remind our tv viewers that roman bezsmertny was currently working on the air of the tv channel. ukrainian politician and diplomat. thank you, there are 15% discounts on nazoferon in podorozhnyk,

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we understand that it has already started with an attack. glory to ukraine, andrii andriyovych, i congratulate you, glory to the heroes, good day, well, we understand, yes, the attacks of arab terrorists on the state of israel are not something fundamentally new, but right now, with such aggression, they are literally rioting, so in individual towns the state of israel. well, you know, i am first of all i would agree with your parallel, but it was strengthened, of course, not only by russian reactions, reactions to monstrous atrocities , atrocities in israel, not a single word of sympathy for the victims, not a single word of sympathy was heard from official moscow, you see, even arab states , those who continue this whole line, let