[000:00:00;00] i absolutely agree with you, mr. oleksandr, but in particular, let's talk more about what can change and can change or something in the course of the election results in the united states, because there were reports in the western media that putin will try to bring this war to elections, in the hope that the administration in the white house will change, and kyiv is already reacting to this, in particular, donald trump will introduce changes in the policy of the united states in case of victory in the elections, but how radically. it is not yet known, this is what president volodymyr zelenskyi said interview by dj24. he noted that people will stop a politician if he wants to do something crazy, however, the head of state expressed fears about a sharp change in the course of the united states of america. trump has repeatedly made controversial statements regarding russia's war against ukraine. the former us president claimed that ukraine, in order to avoid a full-scale invasion by russia, could give up

crimea or deviate from the course to join nato. he stated that aid to ukraine is supposedly only in europe's interest, and also spoke out against putin's regime change. mr. oleksiyu, just recently journalists again asked trump if his so-called peace plan, which he supposedly has, does it include occupation , recognition of, say, the occupied territories of ukraine as part of russia, for example, trump answered no, four times he repeated no, no, no no. and said that he has a plan, but for now he does not want to talk about it, but he will be able, as he repeated his thesis, to solve the problem there in a day, he says, i will bring both putin and volodymyr zelensky into the same office, well he there more rudely said it, and let's say so we will offer such an option that they will not be able to refuse, and this option will be fair, and what do you think, mr. oleksiy, does trump really have this plan at all, let's say for ukraine, if , for example, he is thinking i will

continue to win. for example, i will solve this question in this way, will his actions be based on the situation that we will see in a year, when these elections will be held and what will be the situation on the battlefield? well, now it is important for trump to get any power at all and decide his legal problems, which he has more and more. in terms of his plan, he has a negotiating position based on his business, he was a... a successful businessman for a while, he laid out what the peace plan is, he, he said he's ending, point one, ending aid to ukraine for for ukraine to stop fighting, and offers russia to peacefully, peacefully withdraw from ukrainian territories, and if russia does not peacefully withdraw from ukrainian territories, then the united states will provide ukraine with so many weapons,

that biden, biden has never seen, well. in such a plan, but he said that this would also solve the problem, he, but he does not understand that, and here here, it seems to me, is the value of trump for the russians, that he simply no longer understands how much, how much the united the states do not influence such decision-making in russia, they are not afraid of anything, they just need ukraine to stop fighting, and then they will find a way to spin this situation, they will not usually listen to trump about what he will give to ukraine more more after, well, in fact, the will of ukraine will be badly broken, there will be nothing to talk about, so i think that what trump says, he may even believe in what he says, but he simply does not understand the situation for russia as well

this situation is beneficial, they need trump as the bearer of chaos, the same as the chaos in the congress, the chaos in the middle east, there was also an attempt at chaos in the western balkans and there will be such an attempt at chaos in many places, so i think here simply and the danger of trump is that what he says seems to have some logic in that he says, but he does not understand the situation on the battlefield so much that russia uses it, so there is a threat, the good thing is that, well , american sociology shows that if biden is against trump, then biden wins, but the problem on the other hand is that that it is already very difficult for biden to be president, it is very difficult, and they understand all this and there is no one else , this is such a big problem, that is why the risk is big, it is a risk not only for us, but also for europe, because, well, if the united states go from

the arena, there's a lot going on there, you have to to work, as it was said, colleagues must work with the american elites , we must work with the republicans, there, after all , the majority is not in favor of trump, well, that is the way out of this situation, there are risks, but this does not mean that the situation is hopeless. mr. bohdan, we have seen a certain, certain change in trump's rhetoric since the beginning of the full-scale invasion. first, he tried to find, in fact, who is to blame for russia's unjust invasion of the territory of ukraine. now he claims that actually this war was very easy to wrap up, just give me these opportunities, are we going to see him somehow ...progress even further in his rhetoric, maybe more aggressively, we don't know the closer we get to the election, how it's going to change in the coming weeks, months, well, i i simply recommend that those who are interested in the audience subscribe to the pages of both trump

and biden and analyze their campaigns, because really the rhetoric is becoming much more aggressive, and frankly, it is not only in the context of trump as a phenomenon, i think that is why that it is one who investigates political... processes, well, this is indeed a certain phenomenon, because we are always used to the fact that political culture and those processes that take place in the context of democratization, they are always a model in western countries, and for us, especially, to imitate this experience, but now, and the americans themselves admit it, there are serious risks, and this is again evidence of the fact that certain structural changes are taking place, as well as of a political nature within the american that's all his skills, skills to a certain

part of his nuclear electorate or a part of american society and gives very simple answers to complex questions, and this is precisely in the logic of many leaders, so to speak, of a more right-wing populist current, direction, and we saw in the example... slovakia has similar or similar approaches to hungary, so i still think that there is already some experience, you can analyze when trump was president, and he also thought that it was very easy, for example, to reconcile north and south korea, we remember also these efforts, meetings, but again this did not happen, because everything is much more complicated, and requires quite different approaches in some places, there is still... also the institutional component is powerful within the united states of america, and it sometimes provides security in certain issues

from very radical changes related to foreign security policy, there is some hope for this, but the fact that the risks are very super serious both in the context of supporting ukraine and in the context of other transatlantic processes, the context, because we remember, under trump , was very serious a crisis between, within nato, yes, between key states, between germany, for example , the united states of america, and it was necessary to restore all this after it, so we definitely cannot influence this and should not influence it, unequivocally, this is the choice of american society, we can really hope for positive results for the united states. america and for us, but at the same time , i agree with my colleagues, do not forget to work with the republicans, even with those who, let's say, indirectly or are not included in the context of supporting ukraine, so

and with the democrats, because the political elites must constantly and always be on the side of ukraine, in the united states of america. thank you, mr. bohdan, bohdan ferenc, an expert on international issues, was in touch with us, thank you. extraordinary, mr. oleksandr, in particular, during the election campaign, we hear theses about ending support for ukraine, and if earlier , well, they were so marginal, now we hear them not only from candidates for the post of president and for, well, the primaries have not yet been held , but from candidates from the side of the republican party, for example, from the same person, ramaswamy, speaks exactly the same way against supporting ukraine, and there one of the candidates from the democrats is a relative of the same president kennedy, he also, for example, opposes supporting ukraine, and earlier, again, these theses, they were unpopular, now they sound, and let's say so, to say them out loud

to these politicians as if, well, don't be ashamed, it does not cause any disgust, so is this an alarming symptom, what can it do be related, because i do not imagine that, for example, such theses could be said there on television for a year and a half. therefore, well, you see, everything is changing, the world is changing, and some public opinion in the united states of america is changing, it is alarming us. well, they can say, well, ukraine does not always obey, listen to our advice and so on, so listen, israel generally behaves independently there, in terms of what the usa recommends, they do what they want and so on, that’s okay, support does not disappear and so on, but of course it is not to our advantage such, but but it turns out that in the information field of the usa, now you just have to enter there and fight, everyone?

who can, from the ambassador, the minister of foreign affairs, the president, who can be a little, because everyone who is of a lower caliber will simply listen to them, they will not even be allowed into the studio, you know, for conversations, discussions and so on, because this to a certain extent, you understand, well, kennedy, kennedy comes out as this independent, he is from the democrats, but he will go as an independent, why such rhetoric, so the rhetoric is aimed at to win the election. in the elections, poland is the same, the rhetoric to win the elections may be something different in reality, but once you win the elections, it means in the minds of the voters, it finds support, so they say, how often putin says what he knows, that the average russian supports, so to speak, that is why he has a high level of support, that is why i have said here more than once that unfortunately we have an information war, which means that russia

is seriously waging an information war, working, in american society, with politicians, they constantly have pro-russian speeches, some independent experts of the new york times, they can, but ukraine cannot, well, in the new york times, you can simply, the same thing, the matter of this publication is that almost anyone can publish their column there, here it is different matter why they are published by those who can be, listen, you are still addressing a person who is engaged in information warfare, well , you do the same, and what you did not do is like me, this is sorry again to israel, american, israeli military brought this kibbutz the unfortunate, who was destroyed there and so on, cries , says, look, here a child was killed, here this, these are terrible things, butcha, yes?

but i have one question for him, you, your military men, where were you for two days, you repelled the kibut on monday, they came on saturday, why are you standing, crying, and nodding at everyone, you were supposed to be there already on saturday , they will be protected, where were you, i have a question, that is why we are in this information work, this is what we need to do, where were you, what did you do, show them, they can, so you can, you have... arguments, much more , than in russians, use it. i absolutely agree, mr. oleksiy, since they talked about the information war that russia is so actively waging against ukraine, it is waging it at various levels, not only within our state, it is waging it on international platforms, one of the latest is that, for example, aid and support from the united states to israel will draw this aid away from ukraine. the russians write that ukraine. will lose this support entirely, we

understand that this support may be somewhat reduced, but we hope for the best, esp and on this big , largest, aid package for two countries, and what we will observe in the near future in the information space, what do you think russia will resort to, what throws will be made, and there is actually an already announced announced plot, they will. .. try to prove that it is ukraine fighting against israel with the forces of hamas, they will find trophy weapons, they will, they will appear, i do not rule out columns in the new york times, some influential journalist there, who will say that everything is not so clear, they this one, that is, directly they will draw this line, then they will provoke us to shelling, such massive shelling of the occupied territories, and with journalists they will show that, look,

ukraine is behaving like hamas, that it is all the same, it will not work, well, if you say so, it will not work, but it looks like everything has already been announced, at the same time, russia will hint at the resumption of nuclear tests, at the same time , various destructive processes will be launched where russia can do it, but this topic of quarreling between us and israel is old, it is permanent. well, now it's announced, huh in general, i have the feeling that there is a global campaign and the creation of chaos, because in russia they believe that world chaos is... it is ahead of everything according to the world order created by the west, they are destroying this order, they believe that this useful, and therefore everything that works for such a destruction, in general, of global consciousness, landmarks and, of course, local

things like quarreling ukraine with israel, quarreling ukraine with poland, quarreling ukraine, with whomever you can quarrel, because it of course will be held. well, we believe that that despite all the attempts of russia, none of the above will succeed, thank you, oleksiy yezhak, expert of the national institute of strategic studies, was with us, grateful. finally, mr. oleksandr, i would like to sum up and now move away a little from the topic of israel and return to the election campaign in the united states, we understand that ukraine occupies, let's say, adheres to the position of non-interference, because we understand that , well, we cannot predict how the political situation in the united states will develop states, however, still, if we see the available candidates for the post, yes, they have their public opinion, which they express, then we see this certain evolution and transformation of these opinions, depending on , let's say, success

or let's say, i don't want to say not success, but not the kind of success that the defense forces would like to have there, for example, after all, whether the attitude of the future military aid to ukraine on the part of the united states will be decided by what the situation will be on the field battle, at the moment when these elections will be held and the new administration, or this old one the administration will come again for a new term, well, apparently, the situation on the battlefield, in general, of course, it plays a very important role, and of course it will influence the field, the better our situation on the battlefield, the more they help us, the worse it is our situation is on the battlefield, at this time we need more help, we will be helped less. well, here is such a formula, you understand, no, not quite normal and so on, you get an advantage, you are given even more, you do not get an advantage, you are given even less, so, unfortunately, on

it's a pity, that's why you have to be ready for it, and so on, but despite everything, i think that our military leadership and the usa know about it that you have to attack with an advantage. three to one, and we are attacking each other, i never once said that none of our partners went from the air without support at all, there is no air, we do not have an advantage, yes, we lack some things and so further, and of course it is difficult for us to do this, it would be good this package assistance, which well, well, after all, if it is competently will use it, you can convert it all into a victory, they will convert it. let's face it, this is not a guarantee, but a very, very good opportunity , therefore, look, we need to come out of this in a discussion with our partners, like 100 billion is a huge amount, but it is better 100 billion

for the 24th year and end the war, than 50 billion, another 5 years, well, count, well, very simply absolutely, thank you mr. oleksandr , for helping to understand, oleksandr levchenko, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in the republic in 2010-17, joined us in the studio, thank you, mr. oleksandr, who always finds time for us, we will actually now finally return to the events in the middle east, yes, and in particular, one of the most important questions, let's say , that the israelis asked themselves, probably, as the ukrainians also asked themselves at the beginning of this of a full-scale invasion, it is about treachery, about the unexpectedness of an attack in which, and for sure, on such a scale , many refused to believe, so how did it happen , let's say that both israeli intelligence, which was considered one of the best, and the tzahal, as the armed forces , which again had authority, well, they had a certain authority, let's say, they allowed such arbitrariness of terrorists to their territory , we will talk about this, in particular and not only, with fakhruddin

sharafmal, journalist, blogger, presenter, congratulations, thank you for being with us, congratulations , good afternoon, well, i understand that it is likely. not a completely correct question, however, with all the reasons, who is to blame inside israel, yes , just as we are figuring out, probably who is to blame for the fact that certain areas were not protected there at one time, we will after how we can protect our right to exist, just as the israeli state is doing now, however, let's say this, what political processes can we observe after the end of hostilities in israel, yes, will they look for those who have allowed such a thing, such a breakthrough of kurdo? and probably heads will fly not only from the political community, but also from the generals in the same mossad intelligence, about which so much was said. i think that we have already begun to understand this situation in general . are taken away because including the united states also stated if in addition

to israel, that they also did not see the preparations of the terrorists to attack israel, we can remind ourselves that on november 7 it was, it was an attack both from the sea, from the air and from the land, and this is actually very interesting to watch , because, for example , the publication bloomberg wrote that this failure is considered the biggest failure of israeli intelligence in the last 50 years, and this moment is actually interesting because israel has a lot of units in it. who work on the territory of arab countries, for example, as yamas or mystavrim, they are called, and there to the ranks of these special services they recruit people who look like arabs, they live in arab countries, they watch what is happening, they listen, they track and, if necessary , eliminate, why they did not warn about what was happening, again it is unknown, if we go back to historical, if the events that happened in israel already before, then we know that the attack on november 7, it happened exactly like that. just like 50 years ago during the doomsday war, and the israelis had one agent, who is called his callsign angel , and he is the only person who can call

israel, ask for the prime minister, and he is so important that he does not go to the prime minister, but the prime minister goes to him, and this person, usually this agent always reported about the war, and here he reported that there will be a doomsday war in the year 73, no one listened to him, but the war still started, here in 50 years we have a similar , similar, no one knows how what happened happened, because it was a large-scale breakthrough, it was a wall breakthrough, it there was a breach of the border, it is an attack from the air and a landing from the water, this is a huge scale campaign, and by the way , hamas fighters showed a moment of preparation, that is, to sleep, it was really very difficult, but will we see in the near future at least the results or those responsible for what happened, most likely not, because israeli intelligence does not officially confirm or deny certain of its operations and data there, and most likely, if they find the culprit, they are unlikely to say about it in the near future. mr. fahrudin,

how long was the preparation of this operation, and did it go on so imperceptibly, so implicitly that even the famous israeli intelligence did not notice it. well, american, again, including, if you believe the information that is being spread now, for example, pro-iranian, say... yes forces, including queer, the islamic revolutionary guard corps, then they say that the preparation before this attack lasted approximately a year, because they were making rockets, because they were preparing hang gliders, including, this is total nonsense, when a terrorist in a hang glider shoots people walking below with a machine gun, well they ended up preparing people informationally for that to happen, so plus or minus, we don't know the exact dates, but the only thing we can ultimately refer to is not that , who write queer, queer are essentially terrorists too, and the only information available from them is that the preparation for the attack could have lasted a year, and in the end, they couldn't have afforded any more, because it's already been a year. and so

much, in a year you could learn about that an attack is being prepared, who is preparing it and so on, but in the end it didn't happen, so as they say, what we have is what we have, but in reality we remember how israeli intelligence, in particular the security, the security unit of the same mossad knows how to file. cold dish called revenge, and we understand that most likely we will see the elimination of the leaders of hamas, and here for our viewers it is worth reminding that hamas has not only a military wing, but also a political wing, and let 's put it this way, will we be able to see well about the ground operation that should lead to the destruction of the military wing of hamas has already been announced by the tzahal, israel, but as for the political leadership, will we see the destruction completely naked. let's say, figuratively, the entire leadership of the terrorist organization hamas, will there be an end

to this topic? if you look at history, then most likely no, this has never happened either in the history of arab-israeli confrontations, or in general in the history of terrorist organizations. we have in the example, for example, the islamic state, which existed for a long time, which was fought not only by the united states, but also absolutely the whole world, so it has shrunk from the size of a giant terrorist country to a tiny dot on the map, but still it has not been completely destroyed. if we take the palestinian terrorists who are currently active, in particular hamas, they too cannot be completely destroyed, because there have already been attempts in history, including from the israelis, there is an odf, and now it has become a small force from a gigantic force. a small political force, let's say, and several times they tried to oust it from the territory of palestine, but they constantly moved to the territory of the cor kings. jordan, then lebanon, now again , including in the gas sector, and it is impossible to eradicate it, because , in particular, for the reason that terrorism, it does not matter whether

hamas is a party or hamas is a military, it is terrorists one way or another . terrorism is the oldest form of violence, it does not disappear just like that. and the united states proved it with its fight against the islamic state, proved it with its fight against the taliban against the taliban in afghanistan, and israel has been proving it for 75 years of its struggle with the arab world, as they call it. and to this day, none of these terrorist organizations has disappeared. you can eliminate the leader, you can eliminate the militants, but there is, as it were, a generally accepted fact. the accepted rule that violence begets violence, and terrorist organizations, they appear in response to something, it is very doubtful, in fact, that the special services of the world, or in general the powerful of this world, do not know what this can lead to, for example, the current attack on the gas, it is at one point like we know, as of today, as we speak, the 24 hours that the israelis gave the residents of the gaza strip are still ticking away, and this will somehow lead

to even more palestinians, including those who oppose hamas and there are people too, they can theoretically join the ranks of terrorists and, again , with terrorist intentions, with radical methods, join the future struggle against the israelis, but already in a year or two, maybe in 10, maybe in five, but that's all it will happen again, because terrorism is not going anywhere will disappear, and no one has been able to eradicate it to this day, the recipe simply does not exist , at least for now, mr. faharudin, did you make any certain first conclusions for yourself, perhaps drew parallels, deduced some accents that were common in these first days the way hamas and its terrorists behaved, and the way russian terrorists acted in the territory of ukraine in the first days, in particular bucha, irpin, then we exposed a lot of graves, in kharkiv oblast and a lot more to come, did you bring out for do you see any parallels, do you notice

similarities in the actions of terrorists? in the actions of terrorists, of course, but in fact i would not compare the arab-israeli confrontation with the russian-ukrainian war, because from the side of palestinian terrorists it is pure terrorism, if it is not supported by anything, because there is no justification for terrorism from the word at all, on the other hand , if we are talking about the methods by which the palestinian terrorists and the russian occupiers are fighting, it is one and the same, one and the same, because they came to exterminate the population in the same way in the first place, in ideology, hamas is laid down, but when they appeared, this is the year 87, they immediately laid down in their ideology, the destruction of the jews as a nation and israel as a country, and here is the impression that the russians, they have no true ideology, but it seems that their ideological reasoning, that's exactly what they are, it's as if they were born to destroy ukraine, destroy ukrainians, seize

territories, turn everything into ruins, this, if you take... methods, is exactly the same as what he is doing now hamas was engaged, more precisely, before how they were kicked out of there, in the territory of israel, when they flew in on hang gliders, when they entered, broke through the border and entered from the sea , the israelis entered, i'm sorry, the russians entered exactly the same from all sides, from all sides, exactly the same way they transformed our cities in ruins and committed atrocities in the same way, similar to those that palestinian terrorists are now carrying out against the israeli population, so there are many parallels to... a lot, if we take the methods and not the war. mr. fahrudin, i touched indirectly topics of revenge by the russian special services, about which tapes are shot, which we all know from stories, from books, from memoirs, etc., and when about something similar, about the prospect of creating a force unit that will catch criminals abroad, in particular russians , who are guilty of crimes against peaceful ukrainians, general

bodanov in particular was asked about this, he said that we do not need such a separate unit. because we are already successfully operating on the territory of another state, we will continue to kill enemies of our state, wherever they are. in general, let's say, well, if we rely on the history of the special services there, again of the world , can we observe after the end of this war that those whom, for example, russia, if it remains in its current form, will not be extradited there to an international tribunal what about the courts, they can face their punishment, for example in... russia thanks to the actions of the ukrainian special services or forces friendly to them, let's say, if the special services do not want to admit their involvement. you know, in this regard i support, if i am inclined to the version of kirill oleksiiovych bodanov that we do not need our mossad, because we have completely different realities, completely different circumstances, and we are