[000:00:00;00] they give chevrons, in the 68th brigade, i talked with them all night, they were already going to bed, they got up again, something, something, well, and it was very important for them, they ask everything, well, it’s a little strange, because we all live in the news , and what will happen next, how about some details about the film, there are some very strange details just to talk, the important thing is to talk with you, they want to read and understand how you made a film about them, they are trying for themselves somehow i don't know how to solve a mystery, how did it happen, what is it, how does it all work out, but they ask some such things, and what kind of horse was there, and how they shot with that, well, i understand that it is just, well, they need it, as in the military, but they need a live conversation with those who care about them, and they want this conversation for myself to continue a little, to somehow understand for myself that all this with them is not in vain

, i think so, let's return to the dovbushis, yes, dovbushas, ​​oleksa and ivan, even then i had this thought, i analyzed the film for myself, that in every person there is a dark side and a light side, and this is dovbush, it unites, although both brothers existed, but what is interesting, you i managed to make the negative hero, well , negative, more attractive, this is my subjective , than oleksa, who is a lung. this is the range of films of the epic genre, because we know from the very beginning that the main character 's path will be, well, because he is already like that, his character is like a demigod, this is how the epic and this genre were created, that's why he is not can do such, as it were, very negative actions, or become such a heathen, because we know what he will be like in the end, we will not believe it then, well, there is

a specificity of this same genre of change, but i definitely wanted to show different sides of this hero, and even if we are talking about today, about those who are from the present, well, the prototype of the opryshkas, or who they are today, we can now see right there in some tick-tock online war, and to see a warrior who is alone against a company, orcs being shot at, he has a half-concussed comrade there who is just reloading his weapon, and we see these short films or films in which the person is just some, well, not what in his character, there is a rock, no, he cannot be killed maybe, you wait every second that this bullet will be the last, he puts one, the other, you just understand that he is some kind of giant, simply, it is impossible to be with one person, how is it, he becomes a hero for us, the truth is

this moment, we are making up legends about him, we have been learning for a long time there for a week who this man is, who said, realizing that they are going to be shot, said, glory to ukraine, realizing that this is his death, and he is a hero for us, but we we do not know the fate of this hero earlier, maybe his life was completely different, we don't know what will happen after that, but today i was asked there, remember, during the maidan there was a story that shocked us all, when a naked man stood with some kind of cap, he was destroyed, killed, he had a cossack turban, how much we thought about it for a long time and understood how this story of the cossacks ignited with a spark all the characteristics that cannot be broken, right? and let's remember what happened next, and what is more important, was this act of this man, he was then on top of the world, his meaning of his life was precisely at this moment, the truth is, yes, his name became more than himself, his act became more than himself and his whole life after that,

maybe there will be something else with him, well, different ones. different aspects of the story, that's why this change was very important to me and ivan , who is there in the image of jesus sitting at the table, well, many have already understood it, yes, look, my god, how beautiful they are, my god, and this one fills me who he just killed, where is the good, where is the evil, who is the hero, he just told us about how he loves this, he really loves this country, he will really cut his throat to everyone who comes to kill, but there is a moment when he may stumble. to break down and his life is already nothing of his own brother, you are a robber, you will all put your heads here, i have the majority of the audience who are watching, they know the prolex of the vote here, until the last moment, well, well, they know that oleksa is being beaten, chopped up on these 12 parts and scattered all over the place, i want to believe that he, how, how these people are deceiving me, and when they see this priest as a deception for themselves, some new quality of the story,

the film, an understanding of what it was all about, appears well, it's in good cinema, it should always be like that, you said that this is a story of immortality, it was called a story about immortality, well, i, even we specially, when we chose the date of the screening, then... "let's show august 24, independence day, i say fine , well, to those people, but the fact is that on august 24, 1745, on this day , oleksa dovblush was killed, but this is not the day of his death, it is the day of the beginning of his immortality, when his name became more than himself, when his act, his life began to inspire others, and it is even a real historical fact that even after this already dead body was chopped up and shown to everyone, people still appeared on the roads, saying, i 'm a voice, stop, everyone believed, so this is just a story about how we make up legends for ourselves and how we we live with them, remember, we believed for a long time and still believe that there is some ghost of kyiv that

cannot be shot down, that protects us, that shoots down all missiles, we are modern people, we are all a pile of information, nature is like that human, that at a time when we do not know what to do next, when fear covers us. when faith is not even us holds, we invent heroes for ourselves who inspire us, give us the strength to live and hope that we will survive, this is exactly the film about that, bartka dovbusha, for me she is a separate hero , she is such a person, she is cunning, the former kulak was killed, wartka , who has it, death comes out. if you believe my friends, cinematographers, even american ones and spielberg, who say that the unique history of cinema consists in the fact that the hero of the film may not be a person, some phenomenon, even

an object, and they say that oleksandr dovzhenko invented this after making the film , which is called earth, where the earth was the main character of the film, and without which it does not exist if everything is different, american... in the movies there are birds, there is a shark that tries to eat someone, just a big car that chases a small person, that is, in us, cinema is a kind of art that inspires, gives this energy , makes sense of even some objects or things, and in the same way in a film it is possible that it simply exists as a symbol or an image, and there is also some object or phenomenon or story that simply without which the characters do not exist, that is, she, she morphs, she lives with it, and so does ivan... the same way, once he was angry, being a little one, that this bartka seemed to have chosen his brother, he made himself this knife, uh, he made himself this substitute for some sacred, unknown to anyone

, mythical, and he even made it for himself and worked for a very long time so that this fame about him as a moneymaker would exist, so that he would be feared, not even respected, let them be afraid, well, respect because of being afraid, but why did he do it, for his name to live on a little... more than he himself for that the name of the vote was not forgotten after his death. this worries each of us to some extent, whether the descendants will remember us, because what were we for, because what were we for, and that is why there are these books of the dead, the living, for many they are even religious stories feeling, and what i lived, what was left of me, who except my relatives, when they remember my name, or even they, when they come to the grave, this is a very disturbing thing. meaning, why did you live on this earth, well, someone succumbs to such actions in order to stay, so this bartka, she was also a symbol, also of that immortality that passes and looks for a new hero for herself, oleks, when she was in the hands

of one pryshko and there was a story about her and that she was, well, always a weapon has something in such stories, something it must be specific that she was killed there by a werewolf, that's why she, and she got into the lecture and i did not do such an experiment in the film, which simply showed how a legend is literally born, an accident, a bullet hit the shoulder, and everyone saw it on and , but they interpreted it in such a way that you see, well, no maybe, we all saw, the bullet shot straight at him, no, and then it goes on, here he killed 300, there 500, and so on, a ghost flies, knocks down these 1000 muscovites, that is, you only need to light this wick of the legend and it will already be to live on to scatter, well if it is real, so is bartka, as well as other details in the film, they had such a magical meaning after we saw how it, how it is created, the story of the thing itself is sometimes bigger than she herself, we live

stories, we produce them ourselves, we are about them we tell, we bring to life some objects, whole phenomena, it is in our head, it is not them by themselves, a stone is like a stone, a cloud is like a cloud, we can say that it is a flying ship, distant... mountains, this is the story of our poetic thinking, this is the story of how we create myths, legends and our inner life, and today, when i was going to your interview, i stood, looked at the sky and saw a cloud that looked like a small one to me... well, great , you managed to make an epic but not pathetic movie, how did you manage to avoid that pathos, well, i think, due to the fact that, well, we tried to show the story truthfully living people all the time, and pathos appears when, when you replace with it, something alive and true, when there is music with all kinds of pedals, the behavior of the heroes themselves and so on, when the actors... on living people, immediately a monument, this is what you asked about the problematic role of oleksa

dovbosh, i am very grateful, it was very difficult, for us as a shooter, we actually talked about it, worked, so that it is very difficult to stay on the edge of the fact that you are immediately such a heroic hero, and so is he great fellow, if we worked hard with this, no one can kill me, death itself runs away from me. you know more about dovbush than dovbursh knew about himself, you studied documents, you read a lot, dovbush's manifesto, is it a legend or is it true? these words, i came across information that if you do not leave our land, go to the land, yes, there is, well, physically the document itself has not been found, there are three references about it, about the fact

that it existed, there is such a , well, for now , name the prosecutor of the bno, who investigated the same case and made a conditional indictment, he refers to this document and says that he was there, he saw it, he will send it to hetman pototsky, as proof that it is that dovbush is very dangerous, that is, we have several references to that that he was the fact that people evaluate this text, they say that it is written and say that this is a very dangerous precedent, that this vote is not a mythical rabingood, that it is not just some kind of robber, it smells like a big problem, a revolution, so that the vote took away the power's right to violence, well, at present, so to speak, that is, he became justice, the nobility had to determine what is good, what is evil, he completely destroyed these foundations of the power of that time, that it would be given to some other people who believe

himself as the ruler of this land by some right, which is transferred to each other , and that it can be a simple person, and, well , he was not the only one, it was a time that changed such votes, well, this opinion, it appeared in many places in europe, this is already the history of the enlightenment began to work, appeared in people doubt, but whether these people who call themselves, well, rulers, kings, do they really have the right to do so, these are their constant killings. poisoning each other, and so on, that is, understanding appears, it came with education, with culture, with everything that this great hero and the right to power can have him not only a person, of royal blood or nobility, and it was danger, i.e. the document , we have references to the fact that it definitely existed, i did not hold it in my hands, no one saw it with my eyes, but its censuses, the fact that there were parts, we can say with absolute certainty that it exists, the same slogan that i think many... of the military did not know, well, yes, but we

have already heard it, the main thing is that the document itself was drawn up in such a way as right, justice, i will come to kill you, because you violated the law and human rights , that is, you will go to the ground, since you this land and so on , that is, since you chose our freedom, then we have the right to take your life, dovbush for you, who is a knight deep down for me, once i... had a conversation with a scientist who most definitely investigated the story connected with opryzhkami made dovbush's own name very important for modern ukraine, well, in prykarpattia and so on, he is a doctor of sciences , for a long time he was the head of the department of the prykarpattia university of pedagogy, volodymyr hrebovetskyi was like that, and he actually found the documents, sprinkled them, translated them, so that this is such a polish-latin language, her'. there are no people there who know, not even pure latin,

but such a mixture, polish latin, a little lithuanian, even there german, but such documents were then, so uncertain, he is worked, translated, i also worked with the kraków archive on these links of his, most of the documents are stored in lviv in the central archive, but when i asked him, actually, say a word, who is dogbosh, he will say the formula for me, he is a knight. that's why he differed from other scumbags of his time, from people, because his is the history of this nobility, the fact that he did it not for, well, his final understanding of life was not for his own... profit for the sake of money and fame, but he did it for people, the first, and the second, this is the last there was an era, when there were already weapons at that time, these pistols, but they were single -shot, in order to reload a musket or a pistol, you need a minute or even, well, it is a lot, if you are trained, even more, so after

a shot, you hit you didn't get it, these weapons will turn into a stick, and that's why this is the last time, when i also have it, it's in the picture, when cold weapons and this knightly... the order is called so that when the one who is the best swordsman hands was this right hand of god, he became it, and this is exactly the story, i showed in the film that oleksa was not just kills his inveterate enemy there, the antagonist, colonel pshelusky, he kills him in a duel, he challenges him, and they actually fence one on one, although anyone around there could have killed pshelutsky, that is, this is also an important moment for me, and that's why these images ...' that he is still at war, which is where the picture begins, he picks up his helmet, shlyakhtych, well, these are polish knights, they, well, polish hussars were the last knights on the planet, and actually in the movie i show it, it's one of the last battles when they're even in this armor, patches with these wings, the polish hussars were one of

the last battles, they took part in general like this, because even then, they were already in a completely different form, saxon, there were such tin soldiers, and the hussars were already a part. it looked completely different, and the nobility itself, the army of the hetman, is like that, well, that’s how there is a regiment under the president of ukraine, which, well, is ritualistic , that is, they mostly performed a ritualistic, such a mission, and they were already nicknamed funeral troops at that time, because these kings, hetmans, always died at all these funerals they rode beautifully, they walked, well, they understood that their fighting part was already strong, but they were all nobles. and this is one of the last battles in which they died, shouted, the nobility is dying, moskal's battles in guvno, these were such official commands, and actually, that's why i made it, it became important for me and a sign that the answer to your question, who is oleksa dovbush, i shot it as a story of a knight, a story of how

a person can become one not only of noble blood, but that this is a story of the human spirit and it is not just a story you are called that, your beliefs and yours. actions, er, the film is a self-portrait of the director, what do you say to this opinion? no, i think not, you don’t agree, no, she is some part, a mirror of his understanding , how he sees this world, if he, well, took part in writing the script or development and so on, well, i, i climbed into all parts, if you are talking about a dovbush, the director is the conductor, he himself does not play anything, he cannot do anything, well, sometimes they play, sometimes they play very badly and so on, i always try find in any part of my profession someone who can do it better than me. i myself know how to set the exposure on the camera, how to work with the focal length, angles and so on, i worked as a cameraman for a long time, but i have an absolute genetic image,

serhiy mihaichuk is my friend, my brother, and i know for sure that he will do it better than me, i work with artists, only better than me, they understand the history of artistic choice there. and can produce it, in the same way i choose actors who are better than i can play it, well this is a way to find something new, bright and interesting, i will lead them by the hand, i will explain to them, i will take away some of this insecurity from them, how to play so that they eat everything, they, the gods of cinema, i always, when i gather a group, say , we all work here for the sake of the actors, who in the frame tell the story instead of us, we must do everything so that on this screen people fall in love with them, believe in them, that means they believe. in our case, if we did something to make them uncomfortable, because they don't like playing, they don't want to say this text, or they forgot it, so you and i are not doing our work correctly, it is very important, that is why it is different here , serhii mykhalchuk, he is a childhood friend, we spent seven years together, we raised each other, my dad taught him

composition, fine arts there, eh, i , we know more than just one another, we recently found out, more than anyone left alive on this earth. that is, unfortunately, we no longer have our parents, well, sergei has a mother, i have a father, our families know us less than we know each other, our wives, even, so that, and we often, i catch myself thinking that i know how even somewhere, as serhiy will shoot, even some other scene, some other film or just photos, i understand that this is his hand, and it is him, i know exactly how he will do it, he. says that i help him to understand what is happening in the cadre , well, we do, that is, they say that when we work with others, we are less effective than when we work together, and he is now in the army, he is in the armed forces of ukraine, he volunteered for the war from the very beginning, he initially worked

for the foreign agency, i helped in this for to cover the war, if serhii had started working and then immediately joined the armed forces of ukraine and worked in intelligence, now he is also in another part of the troops, very difficult, responsible, and he films, he films in between firing weapons, yes, his one of the responsibilities now is to record, from a legal point of view, the events that are taking place, let's say, new types of weapons or equipment, well, i think that those who see, are interested in photography, they understand it, and, but he consciously, he is still with the camera, next to those people this story is called an annals when you are not far away, but when you are near, together with them. er, eat one porridge, shells are exploding next to you, you are driving with them in the same

car that is being shelled, all this allows you not to care, you asked me about pathos, serhii is one of those people for me, who he does not allow himself to fall into pathos, well, he says that i am him, we agreed that when we get crazy, we will do some bullshit, then we will simply take each other's life, so as not to multiply it, but he is one of those people who... well, whose honesty and position and he, for me, is more in this story about whom dovbosh was asked, he is a knight, serhiy is a real knight , with all his actions, understanding, his nobility, his attitude towards himself, towards history, his sacrifice, he, he is a knight, serhiy, and there are others from your team, who are in the army and those who will die, shulga, he is an officer of the armed forces of ukraine, he also left. in the 14th year , he served, returned, worked in the theater, the war again, he left again, he headed

the unit again, we have a lot going on now of the actors who were filmed, we already have a large part of stuntmen, we have a lot of people filmed in these mass battle scenes of members of military-patriotic clubs, strata, unfortunately, we also have losses, the chief pyrotechnician of the film, sasha suvorov, died here, we have stuntmen . several actors were killed, many were injured, even when i was doing the credits of the picture, and i was finding out who, where, and stories just started pouring into me, one died, the other is gone, the one is wounded, the other is commissioned, how to cope with this pain, how me, like me, i go to them, show movies, get orders from them, i come there, we , we are one family, help them, collect money, help families, do everything, everything we can, we work.

what do you think, as a director, is it time to shoot feature films during the war, or is documentary film so powerful that it cannot be transferred to a feature film, for me i do not see the possibility of shooting a feature film, a feature film about the war, i have already shot it, you they looked at it, it is called, er, for various reasons, you can say beautiful there, explanations. about the fact that there has not yet experienced this and so on, i have colleagues, i cannot understand their choice, i am convinced that they are trying for money and fame, but now they are making films, inventing stories, they are called buchas, mariupols, and others there, i wish them happiness and health , but i will convince you that it is deeply moral and that there, i do not know what the success of happiness can be there, i cannot understand, even for the reason, how to take up this story, how you can repeat it, as people who have just been through it all themselves,

you will be forced to die there again, ana imagine how you were bleeding, let's rape this child, they lack emotion, live experience, they want to arouse it in people once again for what purpose, for the purpose of their fame and money, maybe there are simpler ways to do it, if you are even a little professional or moral person, i am myself, i don’t understand how to do it, now the material that is being filmed is so powerful, dynamic, unexpected, everyone at the front now has a whole film studio in their pocket, how can you contrast your thoughts, your creativity, the feeling that they are shooting his helmet cameras there, which are now in the soldier's possession, what can you think of, what was an even more powerful sight, what kind of story will you make of it all. in love at the front, these are all these things that we call pathos, or such small lies for the sake of high

art, i think that this is what awaits us now a huge number of bad films. about the war, well, it happens, but i have one specific answer, because i, my teachers, leonido sika, there, the story with bykov, mashchenko, even, well, that is, and many films we saw such high-quality, great films about the second world war, we, about the great domestic one, in soviet cinema already in the 60s, and the answers are very strange, here, i was also convinced for a long time that this was thawed material, lu '. they say, i found some awareness of all that time, to a large extent it was due to the fact that it was filmed in the sixties, and they were children of the war, not those who fought, but those who did not go to war, who were 12-15 years old there , 10, for whom war was often romantic, for whom war was a feat, was a legend, they heard these stories that i was burning in the tank, and i was a pilot there, they saw

this story of the life of these widows and so on, they really... wanted to become heroes, but they did not succeed, because their, but they they saw these invoices, they experienced all these stories , they were very close to them, but still war is for them, children, for them death is not real, you know, and i will die, everyone will feel sorry for me, well, that’s right, even teenagers , this is this, well, this is how the universe is formed, that death is not yet real, not with me, and here are these people, when they grew up, became cinematographers, writers, we saw all these great ones. stories, it's all a story of losses that you push away from you, you don't want to be any hero in the war , nobody needs this medal, let me go home for two weeks, this is the real war and we know it now, we see it as shoot about her, tell stories, repeat the film 20 days without war, or what to do, that's all , i think that in time some great novels, great films will appear, that's how it will be, and

how have you changed as a director since these are one and a half year? i had a breakdown before, i think that on the square, on the day that we now call the heavenly hundred, i was with a camera, i was filming then for reuters, who were afraid to run ahead, i carried, took the camera, carried the battery to my friend , who was filming, filmed himself, and people were just falling next to me, and then i had this teenage story that this death is not real, i tried to help them, to reach these, medical aid points in the hotel and so on, and , and life was simply disappearing from these people, children, and it was a turning point for me moment, because i realized that all these beautiful words that we invent for ourselves, that beauty will save the world, they have the right to life, but this beauty is very quickly destroyed by a bullet, the whole life, the whole planet of this person who lived,

experienced, she loved, read something, filmed or, well, something all her life. disappears in seconds, a person just falls next to me, his life ends, and you do nothing with your works , in which you believe that they change something, you cannot do anything there, and it was a great professional experience for me, and for sure , that somehow changes my stories, but everything i do, i try to be useful to people, to make their lives a little better, i don't know if one day beauty will conquer the world, or if it will destroy evil, but simply - you have to try to multiply good, as soon as you can with all your might, what you can, and well, that changed for me, and now the war, well, that's part of this story, of course, then what's next? same same movie? i don't know, i don't know what movie, i still have a lot of different stories that i can do, besides movies, i'm still a little bit of music

i am engaged in fine arts, i will. to do something for sure, but now i don’t know what my next film will be, i will write something, maybe there will be a return of stories that i started doing abroad that will help ukraine or ukrainians, i’ll see, here here now the choice is very clear and simple, we must try with all our might to bring victory closer, for you victory is what it is, technically, it will be legally, yes, the return of our territories of people, in which there will be... i think, would stop russian aggression for a long time, and break her teeth, maybe it will be the collapse of the empire itself, maybe i don't really know how without capturing the capital city, it is possible to get a victory, i don't know such facts, these are just