protect yourself from blows? prohibition of the russian church: who is for and who is against, when ukraine finally gets rid of kremlin agents in ryachy. necessity or double standards, why our state still maintains diplomatic relations with iran and belarus. today we will talk about this and other things with our two guests, politician and diplomat roman bezsmertny and sbu general viktor yagun. however, before starting our conversation, i suggest you watch a video of how fighters of the 79th separate airborne assault brigade of the armed forces of ukraine destroy the equipment and manpower of the enemy, which the russians throw at the positions of the brigade in the district of the settlement of sweetke, donetsk region.

that's how the 79th separate amphibious assault brigade destroys the russian occupiers in

donetsk region, and it just became known that the defense forces in donetsk region shot down the third 125 attack aircraft in a week, general tarnavskyi reported. friends, for those who are currently watching us on youtube, please like this video and also participate in our vote, today we ask you about the following: has the heating season started in your city or town? please vote. put yes or no, or write your comments about the heating season , what is happening in your homes, it is important for us to know how you are doing with the onset of cold weather, in your homes, whether you have heat or not, and if not, then why is there no such warmth yet , i want to introduce today 's first guest, he is a politician, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the republic of belarus in 2000-11 years,

the novel is immortal. mr. roman, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. good evening. let's start, mr. roman , with the parliamentary elections in poland, because there are only preliminary results, exit polls show that, in principle, the ruling party took the most votes in poland, 36.6%, compared to 36.8. in the evening results of these exit polls , but the whole pool of opposition parties, in principle , gained enough to create a parliamentary coalition and, accordingly , to appoint a government, a new government that will already not, the one that will represent the interests of the law and justice party only, but considering what is happening in poland now and against the background of what is happening...

in general in the world, the results in poland, what they testify to, and what they give, what are the answers to our main question, because for us it is important that there are and remain in poland those politicians who will act as lawyers, or at least our representatives in the european union and will help us overcome all obstacles in joining the european union and mr. serhiu, these elections in poland, they have several lessons for ukraine, and certainly they have certain practical consequences from the point of view of relations between poland and ukraine and the prospects of these relations. and so, to several lessons, literally, the first of them and the most important is that in poland

, the european political system is slowly forming and, as you saw this time, there were no singers. at the same time, everyone understands very well that the role of kaczyński, it is very peculiar, in polish politics, and therefore it gives signs, and it gives signs literally and on the current situation, on the course of the election campaign, on the future, but one way or another , it can be said that in this respect, poland is becoming more and more european in the political sense of the state, with european political culture, with all the attributes of european politics, and both in a positive and negative way, because there are also certain sins of the electoral

system and the organization of the elections, and the conduct of the elections itself, so it is very important that we understand that poland is very important to us. in terms of construction political system and taking into account all the things that are happening there, and the election campaign in poland, it was not the first time that it took place in such a rather emotional atmosphere, and moreover, the ukrainian issue was constantly on the agenda there, and here i want to tell about the second lesson, which says about the fact that the relations between kyiv and warsaw, and historically, there are different pages, you can't get them anywhere, they will be used by politicians of different stripes in the future, but this should be understood not by those who are behind and in

the tail election race turns out to be necessary to reflect and orientate, but to follow those who are leaders , to be precise, and to reflect or not to reflect on those who present the state, and not on those who can express their opinion, because the relations between kyiv and warsaw are very deep, historical, and many pages long, and politicians can use them in any way they want. in general, in general, it must be said that in this election campaign, due to the fact that the world is sliding towards a serious continental, possibly global conflict, it is very seriously affected the tone of the introduction of the election campaign, including the topic of ukrainian-polish relations, and if it were not for this

story with the export of grain, it might have been, i would say so, the calmest election campaign on the ukrainian-polish topic. now about the consequences, well, we have to wait for who and what kind of government will form , well, and it will pass through the majority in the parliament, whether it will be a popular platform with allies, or whether it will be a party, because despite the fact that a number of opposition parties declared during the election campaigns that they do not want to have business... law and justice will be seen from the party, but how will the decision be made, because there is a very deep tradition in poland, when elections are elections, and when it is necessary to form a government, then there can be the most diverse hurlers from

different political forces, so we have to wait for how and who will form the majority in the parliament. and will propose the composition of the government accordingly. in general, i am convinced that it will be peace, as the leader of the future coalition led by kaczynski, or it will be a platform common people with its allies led by tusk, and it will differ, except for rhetoric, and in relation to ukraine, and poland has maintained, will maintain and will continue to maintain stability for a long time, because especially the 19th century was a very serious lesson for poland and ukraine and

tragic and majestic in order not to understand the need to maintain unity, especially in this environment between the seas, between lithuania, poland, ukraine, it is a pity that belarus is in the clutches of this fuhrer, not to the fuhrer of moscow and so on, but this space mediterranean sea, it is more and more plays more a very important role, and it is obvious that the fate of the next order of the world order is decided here. well, obviously, both in poland and in israel, politicians are now demonstrating that national unity, which, well, we always repeat and talk about, that in times, in such difficult times, in which we live now , this national unity is needed, because in israel... there is a government of national unity, in poland they understand that if they

now start to divide something among themselves , then it will only be beneficial to the russian federation, because russia has always used this, well, by the way, just as in ukraine, it is clear that comparing the situation now in poland and in israel makes no sense, because israel is at war, and under attack, under the attack of hamas and which combats are supported. which are supported by some arab countries, and yet, the elections in poland took place against the background of the war in the middle east, we understand that it is obvious that the situation in ukraine and its situation in the middle east will have no less influence than the elections in poland, because as you rightly said, that, in principle, the poles understand the role of ukraine in the current situation, they understand the role of ukraine in the war against russia, what the role of ukraine looks like now against the background of what

is happening in the middle east, because we understand that this is another point, and probably not the last, for the next few months, or maybe a few years, which will be created for the destabilization, for the general destabilization of a conditional group of civilization countries, a group of countries with an autocratic, e method of government, where we are now in this situation, or really this attention to israel interrupts attention to kyiv and ukraine, and is this in this case part of a large special operation, including russia's with iran, with its partner iran? well, come on, smart people, they consider the situation in ukraine and israel as a whole.

because actually, these are the two points of reference in which the future of the world is decided, and i am not exaggerating now , indeed, those who are capable of objectively assessing the situation, they perfectly understand that the events in ukraine, that is, the opposition of ukraine, russian military aggression, and struggle in israel with a terrorist hamas, hezbollah and others, and more precisely, and more precisely, this counteraction to the iranian organization of aggression against israel , ah, show very clearly that the world order that operated until 2014, it is actually slowly disappearing, because none the institution that currently represents this world order is not able to intervene in the situation in such a way as to stabilize it, this means that at these

two points of reference the formation and determination of the future order is actually taking place, it is clear that it is painful and unpleasant that humanity once again, no matter how reasonable it presents itself, it is going to this new world order through war, and it is not able to unite, consolidate its forces and strike the axis of evil, which is represented by minsk, moscow, tehran and beijing. it is clear that everyone perfectly understands that no matter how hot events are taking place in nagorno-karabakh or in others , in transnistria, in any other places on the planet earth or in africa, these are two positions that dictate in reality what the road to the new world order. it is obvious that to these

two positions, ah, if the weakness in countering the aggressive policy of the axis of evil continues, then the situation with china's aggression against taiwan will also be added. it is clear that both the first and the second and the third, it could not bypass, including the election campaign in poland, it is clear that this situation due to the aggressive terrorist actions of hamas and hezbollah against israel cannot but influence the course of events in ukraine, and in any state, since russia's aggression against ukraine, it affected all countries without exception, and caused, thanks to organized the actions of russia's aggressive actions, the hunger of hundreds of millions of people, more precisely, the situation will also be affected by the state of affairs in the iran-israeli

war, let me call it that. and this once again emphasizes the fact that those who are aware of the role played by the theaters of war in ukraine and israel, ah, there is a need to understand that countering the aggression organized by russia, iran and china against israel and russia's aggression. which is supported by iran and china against ukraine, there is a lot in common, and hence the opposition all this should also be organized by joint efforts. it is no coincidence that a number of leaders announced that the topic of political assessment and assistance

to ukraine and israel will be combined, i am not talking about the fact that president joseph biden: secretary of state anthony blinken announced that the united the united states is in a position to provide aid to ukraine and israel and they will do so, the project has been submitted to congress, it combined aid, and both current aid and the aid project for next year, that is, in this regard, we see that there is an absolutely equal assessment of the situation with e, the state of affairs in ukraine in ukraine's resistance to russian aggression, as well as in the organization of resistance to terrorist aggression against israel, so i am somewhat, let's say, a little confused by the fact that a number of specialists, and well-known specialists, write that attention to ukraine will decrease, from my point of view this is a far-fetched

thing, but as the current situation shows, and the monitoring of the information space, these are approximately two equal topics, and according to how they are highlighted, how they are evaluated, and remember the number of this phrase that sounded, what you see now in israel, happens every day in ukraine. in fact, this is such a comprehensive phrase that absolutely clearly says that intelligent people, people who are objectively able to assess the situation, they understand that these are components. here are the attempts of evil forces to destroy the modern world order. mr. roman, biden himself has already said that the united states of america can help ukraine and israel with defense at the same time, he said in an interview with cbs that said biden, let's listen.

for god's sake, we are already the united states of america, the most powerful nation in history, not in the world, in the history of the world, in the history of the world, we can take care of this and that and the other while maintaining our common international defense, for example in ukraine one of my goals was...' so that putin, who has committed war crimes himself, could occupy an independent country that borders nato allies and borders russia. imagine what would happen now if he succeeded, have you ever known a great war in europe, in which we did not get involved in. we don't want that to happen, we want to make sure that these democracies survive, and ukraine is

crucial to making that happen. mr. roman, biden talks about two, two wars that are now in ukraine and israel, but biden does not say anything about the third or fourth point that may appear on the world map, for example, between north and south korea, or in taiwan , or in africa, is the goal, in your opinion, of this axis of evil, to destabilize the united states of america and western countries and create. more hot points in order for the west to spend more of its weapons and lose its power, well , at least the power that biden is so proud of now. well, there are two components to your question, the question of power is not relevant, because the soviet union collapsed

, nazi germany, in the past, and many, many things in the past that democracy and human civilization overcame, that 's why i generally say, i don't ask questions, i perfectly understand that the situation is only at the cost of how the forces of good will be able to overcome these idiots, who are instigating another war. why this is happening, why will there be various kinds of conflicts in the future, wars, wars, conflicts, there are more or less large-scale conflicts and so on, the fact is that the level of contradictions, it has crossed the line, and in fact, the dying eyes of the under-empire, these untouchables,

they have only one chance left, to save themselves, because führer moskovskii , having gone against ukraine, signed a sentence for himself, and he saves himself by trying to expand the theater of action, and not only geographically at different points, but also on a large scale, and what has happened now in israel, it is obvious that this is a move by the führer, the red dictator of china and the fundamentalists of iran, in order to raise their stakes and continue their own life in politics, the world order and so on, and they save themselves in such a way. therefore, it is obvious that all kinds of conflicts, the flames of war will flare up, because these

non-führers, non-dictators, they save themselves in this way, at the same time, i want to emphasize this, it is important that democratic states, that is, a democratic environment, civilized environment, understood that it is better to suffocate this contagion, until this cancerous tumor did not spread around the world and became firmly systematized and much stronger in its influence, because it hurts me very much that people do not read history well, because, well, we those who are interested in this understand very well that the first world war or the second world war began with the same emperors, not the dofuhrers, not the duce, but there, and so on, and so on, during the war they grew to such, oily and

huge empires of influence that then all they scratched their heads, shed tears and blood, how can we save ourselves from this, then maybe in the current situation we need to act actively, i am very impressed by the position of the israeli government. barbarism must not be allowed to appear, damn it, it must be killed in the bud, because then, later, humanity will suffer colossal casualties, but now i see how the situation is developing in the middle east, they are again trying to put this genie back in the bottle, so that what , to then wait for another unexpected attack, i'm not talking about the situation in china anymore taiwanim and so on, well, why these games, when it is clear that today with the money of the civilized world, the red dictator xi,

is organizing his forces in order to later attack the civilized world, therefore, even the lessons of the closest relations and events with the aggression of russia against ukraine only confirm that no matter how much you feed a wolf, he will still look into the forest, yes, a wolf is needed, evil exists in the world so that people understand what good is, but not so much evil, because when it spreads and occupies the whole space, then no you know what to do with this evil, so it is obvious that now it depends not only on america, its active actions... how to fight this evil? evil can be overcome only by uniting, being together, joining forces, creating a joint command, creating appropriate industrial

and economic. base for support, because when now, according to the principle , we will smuggle another batch of aid to ukraine through ramshtein around the world and work in israel exactly like that, well, it looks a little, well, forgive me, but in a schoolboy way, i don’t i will say it in a childish way, but in a schoolboy way, but being faced with such colossal trials, for which humanity has already paid with the lives of tens of millions of people more than once, hence active actions, joint actions, and what is required of humanity today, thank god, is washington, today there is a conscious administration there that understands all this, and it is very important that humanity unites around this, around this position, i say once again, there is no need to raise the price, i am slowing down. and

slowly rolling out the necessary solutions, the necessary unification. mr. roman, you said that now in the middle east they want to put the genie back in the bottle, and somehow, let's say, in this situation, to do, not hurt hamas, not hurt hezbollah, and as a result , not hurt iran , and convince binyamin netanyahu that this is the whole ground operation that they are now plan that they do not spend in the sector. and it's obvious, it's obvious that in this situation, by restraining israel, the world is putting this genie in the bottle, right, i understood, yes, i'm actually talking about this, because it's obvious that moscow, tehran and beijing planned not just terrorist operation, it is already clear from everything that israel is under attack, from the south by hamas, from the north by hezbollah, from

the side of syria by islamic jihadists, it is already being attacked by representatives of the taliban, ah, the houthis, and so on, that is, the houthis, in fact, it can be seen from the organization of the preparation of this operation, that before the attack against israel, virtually all the power factors of the axis of evil were involved, because what if we analyze now the information that has been proven... already, financial resources, instructors, russian, chinese, material support, chinese, iranian, russian, ah, i don't speak there anymore current consultations, look at where the political top has run off at the consultations of hamas, hezbollah, islamic jihad, and pay attention

to how abbas says in the morning that hamas has nothing to do with it. not to the palestinian authority, in the evening he refutes these things, it means that these terrorist organizations are in complete control of the situation, it is very dangerous in such a situation, and here the moscow nefoter tells about the need to return to the implementation of the two-state principle, so hamas and hezbollah, they fought not only against israel, against this plan, they fought against the administration. palestinian, they fought against the organization of the liberation of palestine, because they did not recognize this plan, that is, from all points of view, you can see how the information game is being conducted, and now, when israel has made absolutely adequate decisions, they are running around the world, looking for the help of weapons, involvement to participation in the war , and financial support and so on, because they

understand very well that what they did is exactly what führer moskovskyi did against ukraine, and for this forgiveness there won't be any. mr. roman, now there are only guesses, or rather, there are explanations that without iran and without russia, hamas definitely could not have carried out such an attack, because this is a rather large military operation with the involvement, including satellites and the capabilities of those who there is no hamas, well, this is objective, in your opinion, if it is proven, after all, sooner or later, i hope that the involvement of russia and iran in the attack of hamas on israel will be proven, then in your opinion, will the position of washington regarding of russia, as to what should be the end, putin's regime.