they understand very well that what they did is exactly what fuhrer moscow did against ukraine, and for this there will be no forgiveness. mr. roman, now there are only guesses, or rather, there are explanations that without iran and without russia, hamas definitely could not have carried out such an attack, because this is a rather large military operation with the involvement, including satellites and the capabilities of those who there is no hamas, well, that is objective. in your opinion, if proven, nevertheless, sooner or later, i hope that the involvement will be proven russia and iran before the hamas attack on israel, do you think washington's position on russia will change, on what should be the end of putin's regime.

because against the background of what is happening in ukraine, it is not clear what the final point should be in the russian-ukrainian war, which would satisfy washington, well, that is, ukraine defeated russia, and what to do with this regime, again, if in the case of israel will prove that both russia and iran coordinated hamas, what will happen then? i watched this interview that on... that you already talked about, where president biden says that there is no direct evidence of the participation of iran, russia, and china in this aggression, but i am so interested in his answer in this situation as a journalist who knows what it was and therefore asks questions, because it is that level of journalism, when they simply don't ask questions. obviously, biden's response is tactical in nature, he is leaving a chance. and beijing, and moscow

, and tehran, but somehow find a way out, because this, if you say it, it means that everything, there is no other option, and from the point of view there is diplomatic practice, and variations in the development of the situation, i understand what biden is doing in this situation, you and i are in a completely different role, we have to tell people the truth, because moscow... and beijing and tehran before the organization of this terrorist action have a direct direct relationship, as it supplied and continues to supply weapons components and weapons to russia, although they are silent about it, or are ashamed, or do not talk very often, just like iran, no matter how much president raisi, or the minister of foreign affairs, of iran did not say that iran for peace, for finding

any way to reach an agreement diplomatically, all this is diplomacy, i give it credit, but i say again, in this situation we have to tell people the way it is, and now what could be the consequence , the fact is that there is a time when talking, when you can develop this position, and look for variations, but there is a time when it becomes clear that every minute of conversation and hour with the enemy, will increase the number of casualties, and that today it is already known about the tragic consequences of russia's aggression against ukraine, and about the tragic consequences of aggression, and organized by iran's proxy forces against israel, they demand a quick reaction, because it will be, as with the tzuza, the quick reaction has stopped.

when we faltered, as a result of 10 years of war, and from my point of view, the situation today is very dangerous, if the history of the war in israel drags on, and such a course of events drags it on, it means that we will have to wait for the storming of taiwan next year. well, next, pay attention to how the united states of america reacted to the aggression against ukraine, eight years later, how it reacted to the aggression against israel, in a few hours, how will we have to react to the aggression against taiwan, in a few seconds, the consequences of this, well understood, are the deployment of large-scale global hostilities, between the axis of evil and the unformed union of good.

thank you, mr. roman, for the conversation, it was roman bezsmertny, politician, diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine to the republic of belarus. friends, we are live on tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube, please please like this video and also take part in our vote, as it is getting colder outside the window , we are asking you if the heating season has started in your city, yes, no, please vote, we are interested to know, measure the temperature, yes speak all over ukraine, are you warm? in your homes. next, we have sbu major general zapasik, former deputy head of the security service of ukraine , viktor yagun. mr. general, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. good health. mr. general, the attack by hamas and

the escalation of hostilities in the middle east puts an intermediate point in the formation of this axis of evil, which we already talked about with roman the immortal. kiyad, belarus, iran, syria, hamas, hezbollah, beijing, north korea, so our war is part of, or shall we say, it is taking place against the background of the unfolding of a global war in the world, they say, experts say that the war in ukraine and in israel , these are only intermediate points in the unfolding of a whole global war. general budanov speaks. about the fact that there can be three, four, or even five such points in the world, as you see fit, that happening in israel, what will happen in various other points will affect the russian-ukrainian war, and do we need

to look at our national security and defense in a different way in connection with the outbreak of this global war in the world , well, at the expense of national defense security, we already...' had to look differently, we always used some countries as an example, and for some reason we mentioned israel, and once again they are convinced that one should not be enchanted by something, then no one will be disappointed, you know, everyone, everyone put as an example, the availability of operational information in the work of their intelligence, the correspondence of the capabilities of their army, but it is necessary to understand the difference, the difference in the approaches of combat operations, for example, those that what is happening at our front, with what is happening in israel, in israel, well armed, but

still with light infantry weapons and home-made missiles, the vast majority of them, terrorists are fighting a highly professional army that has high... technological weapons, starting from the guns of modern aircraft and ending, we already saw operation of laser installations. and against this background, it is clear that the war there, on completely different parameters, they need one thing, we need another, and, at the same time, it is clear that there is a similarity, similarity is a civilizational choice, we stand on... on the same side of this civilizational civilizational choice, and this applies not only to us , israel, but also to taiwan itself, and to many other countries , including africa, where people are trying

to get out of this circle, the circle of constant upheavals, from poverty and direct their , its development is somewhere closer to civilization, but we we see that both russia and china and in other, not very democratic, societies do not prevent them from doing this, and therefore, therefore, it is clear that this is all very similar, there is a lot of different, today, mr. general , during a meeting of the state duma committee on budget and taxes, the minister of finance of the russian federation, anton seluanov, said that all, almost all , imported drones that russia currently owns were delivered to the country by the aggressor from china, although we know that earlier, china denied military aid, in that

including drones of the russian federation, moreover, china even imposed restrictions on the export of civilian ones. long-range pilots because of russia's war in ukraine, well, we know that beijing seems to take such a neutral position regarding the war in ukraine, if... uh, china, including through north korea, still helps russia federation in this war, what, what does it mean for the world and what does it mean for us? well, china frankly never admits its participation in these or other events. still , china remains dependent on sales markets, and its economic situation in china does not allow it to openly take away and directly go somewhere for some

kind of attacks, eh, despite a very, very great desire to take part in one or another confrontation, in particular we mentioned taiwan, i think that in the nearest period china will deny any involvement in these or that... supply of weapons or weapons components to russia and iran. another matter is that even moral support and support through the third and fourth of her hands is a huge help to putin regime, help in circumventing the sanctions of the same iran, i do not think, 40 years under sanctions and without the support of such

a powerful partner as yaktai, iran would have been able to do what it did, and the breakthrough in the manufacture of drones and the breakthrough in preparation, e- er, er, missile weapons, so china will remain a shadow, such a gray cardinal, which, unfortunately, will be very difficult. bring to justice, well, you mean the shadowy heart of this axis of evil, that is, they, they will always be there, but it will be difficult to prove their involvement in this, although, precisely yes, because, for example, the weapons confiscated from the militants are of various origins, but they are primarily iranian, north korean, and russian.

including automatic machines manufactured at the enterprise, which was launched with the help of russia in the territory of the gas sector, but there is no way that it is frankly chinese and, that is , it is possible that there are some separate elements there, but so that there are deliveries, they are not, but i do not i believe that the weapons that i listed do not contain components developed by china, that's it everything, already it is known that on october 17-18 , putin will fly to beijing and there will be a meeting with xi jinping and , of course, they will talk about cooperation with the chinese leader, although formally, putin is flying to the one belt, one road international forum. on the eve of this visit to china, he gave an interview to the central television of china and, among other things, there he talked about what russia's negotiations with ukraine might be, let's listen to a fragment of this interview, which

concerns how and what needs to be done to end this conflict by peaceful means, and we have never objected to this, moreover, we even agreed in istanbul at the time that we are ready for this, if we ensure, i want to emphasize this, the legitimate interests of russia in the security sphere, and there the ukrainian side drew such a strict framework for security, and we practically agreed with it, but as soon as our troops moved away from the capital of ukraine and kiev, the ukrainian side immediately threw all these agreements into the oven and announced that russia will be defeated. victory on the battlefield, strategic defeat of russia. putin usually lies like

a dog when he says that the russian troops simply withdrew from kyiv, they were simply smoked out of there, expelled. but here is a phrase or a phrase that he said in an interview with china central television , it is still worth quoting again, that russia is ready for negotiations, for peace talks with ukraine, to ensure the legitimate interests of the russian federation in the field of security, mr. general , you understand what security is legitimate interests of the russian federation in the field of security. in the context of an independent ukrainian state, it is the absence of statehood as such , ukrainian, another, another guarantee they do not need, because, well, they demand our territory, they demand that we be theirs, their vassals

or under their control, in terms of security and that we stopped any contacts, in particular, in the first place, in particular, in the first place , military and security, with nato and partners in the west, i do not know whether anyone from the leadership of the present or future ukraine will go to such agreements, first of all, it concerns the territory, well, the kremlin very often uses this formula or verbal form , that ukraine must recognize a new territorial reality, well, that's what they call it, that part of the regions of ukraine will now be russian, but putin constantly refers to these istanbul agreements that ukraine supposedly wanted to be a neutral state, or a non-aligned state, and mentions the declaration of state sovereignty, which was still approved by the verkhovna rada even before the collapse of the soviet union in

1990, and they say that it was written there that the non-aligned status of ukraine is clearly established, but they do not say that there was a non-aligned status, including from those blocs that will be after the collapse of the soviet union , although it was obvious, in this situation, that package is necessary, which the kremlin presents as necessary for peace negotiations, it is in principle unacceptable for ukraine, it means ... only one thing that this war should end only with the defeat of the russian federation, right i understand that's right there is no other way out, i, i understand that we have patience, we waited for 400 years to meet the enemy directly on the front line,

because we are always somehow either in someone's composition, or against someone, or without support. and here we frankly know who our enemy is and we frankly understand what danger is in front of us, and we have to prove what we started to the very end, we simply cannot stop, this is just one of those options, you know, when about what to negotiate with the enemy who wants our destruction, as i once said a little differently words, that is why the situation in that respect is very similar to israel , israel understands that it cannot stop, because if it stops, it will cease to exist, and it will simply be destroyed, and where should the jews go, i do not know, as kivo says, to ukraine, well, this is such a matter, and here the situation is that we also do not have another ukraine, we only have this one, and we must protect it for us, for our children and for our grandchildren. against the background of the war against ukraine, against the background of these statements, putin's,

another message appeared, or rather the statement of the secretary of the national security council and of defense oleksiy danilov that the security service is trying to form a new agent network to stir internal ukrainian destabilization, i quote danilov. in the future, we are talking about the deployment of a political project focused on the remnants of the pro-russian population, in parallel with this , an informational intervention is being carried out in an attempt to shake the process of intra-ukrainian destabilization. there are different signs of such activity, its sharp activation. experts, actors, spies and other types of swindlers in promotion in russian of the russian agenda, well, i mean the agenda of the day, they are at this moment crying out about the failure of the counteroffensive, hinting at the need to review the entire war, and this is no longer an exit to the borders of 1991, giving out advice on how

to fight with the ssu, issuing false insiders about conflicts among the military-political leadership, call to accept... good russians and finally hint that it is necessary to negotiate with russia. ukrainian law enforcement agencies carefully monitor manifestations of such hostile actions, identifying and stopping them. eh, mr. general, please tell me, it is absolutely obvious that there are political forces, or leaders who pretend to be political leaders in ukraine, who understand that, well, obviously 25 or 20 percent of the citizens are still there as illusions about the russian language and about the russian world, i admit that maybe this number is less than these people, it decreased with the war, the great war. but still, in what way do you think, the security service of ukraine, because this is the competence of the sbu, can interfere

this, if there wasn't this agent network about the fsb, which mr. danilo is talking about, well, firstly, it should really monitor the situation, secondly, identify the leaders of the so -called those opinions, and thirdly, it is necessary...' the contacts of these leaders with those who transmit these narratives to them, i think that in the near future we will hear very interesting, detentions, well not detentions, but countermeasures from our counter-informants on the subject of who where, who communicates with whom, who receives funding from where and who claimed for what, or claims, i think, in the conditions of war, to us there is absolutely no possibility or desire to breed any sentiment here

, starting with what concerns the fifth column in the form of the so-called church, er, pseudo-religious organization of the ukrainian orthodox church and ending with those really intelligence actors, well when ...' danilov is talking about an actor-intelligencer, so obviously he is talking about one actor-intelligencer, about oleksiy orestovich, he already wrote on his resources about the fact that i don't understand what the secretary of the national security and defense council does, saw that he had some slides there wears to the office of the president of ukraine, but in principle, it is not clear what his function is and why he is talking about it, we so often hear in the performance of this person, various statements that are quite contradictory. during the war, they look very strange and very wild, because the war is going on and it is clear that now it is necessary to rock or shake the boat there and talk about the fact that there are good

russians who must be supported, or the russian language is the language that must be protected , because it is used by many people in ukraine, or to make some other insults there in the direction of the military leadership of ukraine, a lot of questions arise about what and why this actually happens, especially since it is in a large audience, and we see how, in principle, the audience reacts, part of the audience in general, perceives it and reacts to it completely calmly, or with some admiration, you mentioned the church, could the church be the first example of how ukraine should deal with the russian intelligence network. because, as in the first case, we are talking about a person who has influence and relays his thoughts to a large audience,

but the church is a large agent network , that is, 10,000 parishes throughout ukraine, branches of the russian orthodox church, this is simply a huge network through which internal destabilization of such a scale can be done, which in principle is unlikely now. can be imagined, that is, it is difficult to imagine why, in your opinion, this network continues to work, i have been asking you about this for a long time, but even though it is already clear what needs to be done with this network, how to transfer it from the regime of the branch of the russian orthodox church in some other church, or at least make it so that those who work... openly for the kremlin do not work in ukraine, well, i think that this whole story will end in the near future, you know the situation in the verkhovna

rada, despite the opposition of a certain number of deputies, including from the pro-government party, nevertheless gathered the necessary number of votes and demonstrated that there are 226 votes in the hall that can put it in place. ee this ee structure, ee what, what it says, it says what ee will be in the near future certain legislative acts have been adopted that regulate the stay of these persons who wear incomprehensible clothes in the territory of ukraine, this is a time, that is, they will definitely not have a legal status if they want to gather somewhere in apartments, well, let's see how they will do it, another matter is with those people who are around them, yes there, or those who consider themselves to be leaders

of public opinion, then i think that some of them are just fools, on which the agency that reaches out to them if they they do not understand this and continue their activities, well, these are their problems, i think that at a certain moment they may simply end, it is very, very, very bad for them , we, mr. general, in addition to the russian orthodox church, see how in the ukrainian information space the russian special services are working, because, for example, i look at the sociology of the kmis and 32% of ukrainians are sure that there is a conflict between the government and the military leadership, before this indicator was 14%, but it would seem that, well, where in society can the idea of , that the political leadership, the military

leadership, that there are some in between. whether they conflict, obviously in this situation we are talking about ipso, russian ipso, how to help this russian and pso, how to still society remain healthy from the influence of a foreign aggressive state that works against our homeland. well, unfortunately, there is no other way, apart from the education of a new generation, which is not subject to those... dogs. listen, well, now i did not just mention the former deputy of the verkhovna rada lyukiv, who, through whom, the narrative about the move of israelis in full to ukraine, well there, i don’t know, partly to poland , well, it’s so much nonsense that, well, those who understand it, read it, understand what it is, what

’s behind it, but the vast majority people who read this call or come up to me and say, well, it's true, we, we're waiting for them to come, what should we do, the land has already been sold, i say, that's why people don't understand what this is just manipulation of their, their consciousness, that's why i say once again education, education of a new generation, which will have immunity from these russian narratives, thank you, mr. general, for the conversation, it was major general of the sbu in zapas, former deputy head of the security service of ukraine, viktor yagun. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us on youtube. we are finishing the voting now, there is literally a minute left, today we are asking you about whether the heating season has started in your city, an ordinary household question,

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