[000:00:00;00] between peace and the civil coalition on the issue of supporting ukraine reminds us of the following, that um, you know, like the democrats and republicans in the united states, they will not object to supporting ukraine, but strategically, but tactically, they can look at this issue differently, so it is between the two leading political forces in poland today. mr. yevgeny, let's talk a little more about what is happening in ukraine, today the us special representative for the reconstruction of ukraine, peni pritzker, arrived in kyiv, the corresponding photo of the us ambassador to ukraine bridget brink published, and here it is worth noting that this is pritzker's first visit to ukraine since she was appointed to this position in mid-september 2023, she also met with president zelenskyi, and according to her, there is more than one visit to ukraine during the next year, and in fact, pritzker quoted joe

biden today. assuring ukrainians that they can count on america's support. let 's listen to the direct speech and then i will ask a question. today we met with nabu and sap, which were founded to work on by creating a strong independent anti-corruption structure, and we strongly support it. ukrainians want to have a transparent and prosperous economy integrated into europe, and for this they need to do many things. the eu has determined what is necessary for yours. promotion and part of our work, and the ambassador and i work closely together, is to really help ukraine move forward, such as the set of policy reforms that will make it more likely that we will be able to attract more and more investment to ukraine, sir evgeny, how carefully u washington is watching what is happening in kyiv in terms of compliance with the eu 's anti-corruption requirements, i think these requirements

are basically... quite standard for the western world and there are no differences between the european union and the united states in terms of what corruption is unacceptable and corruption inhibits the european euro-atlantic integration of ukraine, here it is an absolutely obvious fact, you just know, well, if we applied for the role of the 51st state of the united states, and we were to be given some conditions, then i think that the representatives of brussels. just so we would look at the situation ourselves, and yes, well, accordingly, mrs. pritzker, er, no, not only has ukrainian roots, well, so to speak , in the anamnesis in the 19th century, but she is also a person who, i think, with origins in families where they are good at not just counting, investing money, and she is well aware of how economic

laws work. and here's an interesting moment, i don't know if it's intentional or not, maybe it didn't coincide chronologically, that is, she said that she met with nabu and sap, and also, mrs. priskker met with volodymyr today zelenskyi, this is also, well, i think that in this case it is simply a chronological overlay, and of course, she will also tell about the meeting with the ukrainian president, hey, you heard, mr. yevgeny, thank you very much for joining the broadcast, yevhen magda, political scientist and director of the institute of world politics, was in touch with us, thank you, well , let's put an end to that, see you, as usual, tomorrow on svoboda live, we'll keep in touch, the usual time, the usual tv channel, the usual host, my

name is yuriy fizer , it's monday 1:14 p.m., which means the world program is on espresso during the war, during which i will discuss with my guests the most important thing that happened in the world, obviously with reference to ukraine last week, well, at least we are trying to see into the week ahead in order to be, well, at least ready, today many topics, more than two guests, let's talk, but before that i want to remind everyone who watches us on youtube, please like and write comments, it's very important for us, we want to hear your opinion, besides , this is very important for the promotion of our tv channel, our programs in youtube's complex algorithm, the more likes, the more comments , the more people will have the opportunity to see, in particular, the world at war program, so please, a big request to you, please like, so let's move on to the first topic

i have today. chose to talk, let's talk about the uh, summit, nato defense ministers meeting in brussels last week, which i was at, i was there, i saw it, but... with my first guest, the executive director of the foreign policy council ukrainian prism, by hennadiy maksak, i want to talk about the aftertaste, mr. vitali, mr. hennadiy, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, ma'am, congratulations, glory to the mountains, thank you very much for joining, well, as i said just now, i was there , i saw what was happening inside, but i want to talk to you about the aftertaste, it's been five days, that is, we know what we agreed on. what is the benefit for us that we have as a result, and there is benefit, firstly, we see that the agreement that was reached at the level of the vilnius summit on the launch of the ukraine nato council, it

works, we see that various formats are taking place, that is, we are already trying to understand for ourselves how we can reach a higher level of cooperation between nato and ukraine in all directions, therefore, the more we hold meetings at the level of defense ministers, at the level of... of our ambassadors, at the level of the minister of legal affairs, which is also planned in november, the more we will understand what topics are common to both, to both partners, and here it is important that right now this treasure is being filled with certain resources, certain committees, that is, the structure him is increasing, and this is one of the points, the other is what really happened in the fields about one regular meeting of the support group for ukraine, the well-known namramstein, there are agreements, there is confirmation of previous agreements, for us it is possible: it is a plus, because we see , that despite what is currently happening in the middle east, the escalation of the conflict, and a certain amount of attention is diverted , still the political signals that we heard, they say that ukraine is on the radar of both nato and the european union and

partners, which are part of the ramstein coalition, therefore, we should not worry that this may be a sharp decline or the redirection of certain resources, just as we should not, so let our enemies do not hope for this either. well, definitely, don't get your hopes up. mr. gennadiy, please tell me, well, at least there in brussels they said that the visit of president volodymyr zelenskyi was important. do you have any information about why he was so unannounced and so unexpected, because half an hour before the arrival of volodymyr zelenskyi at the nato headquarters, none of those present at all ukrainian journalists did not know about this visit. why is it so unannounced? well , let's not forget that we. a country that is at war and these are security measures, remember how gensex toltermer used to come to ukraine, and few people knew about it either, when he also visited the forum of defense industries and had meetings with our leadership, so i think that everything such a moment, on the other hand, i think that it was a reaction, a quick reaction

from our side, from the ukrainian side, to what is happening in the middle east, and the timing of the clocks forgave that it was, let's say, last minute, although i will probably have less hope for it, because here again we need preparation, but the fact that it was not... security, plus again the change in the geopolitical situation in the region, well, during the press conference, with the secretary of defense of the united states of america, lloyd austin, and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, the new chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, charles brown, charles brown just said that it was very important that volodymyr zelensky arrived, because we did not hear him on video, and we heard him live about what ukraine needs and how we can help, and it's great that. he attended and held many meetings. you have already said about this ukraine- nato council, you mentioned the ukraine-nato council. that is , it works, but it works in order to speed up our, increase our chances and

speed up the moment of joining the north atlantic alliance. in your opinion , according to your estimates, how much time do we still need for this, obviously we have to wait until the end of the war, after the end of the war, how long does it take. and what we need to pay the most attention to in order to in order to become a full-fledged member of the alliance, let's go back a little to the vilnius summit and look at the various packages that were provided to ukraine, this is again financial assistance, this is a comprehensive package of assistance that includes certain humanitarian aspects, and on reformation and so on, and also there was signed or the foundations of the plan for interoperability were laid there, that's just what i think and there is a clue that we need to pay attention to, so that at the moment when the war ends with our victory, and they will understand it our partners, allies of nato, the questions regarding the internal unpreparedness of ukraine, they were minimal, that is, interoperability, our compliance

with nato standards, perhaps with new standards that appear in ukraine and to which nato must also adapt, we must also keep in mind, and this is the moment we we have to close for you, that's why i think that precisely the council of ukraine nato , and our...' the annual program, which will be reformatted, are now also being consulted on what it will look like, and in november there should already be final options and recommendations from members of the alliance so that they wanted, that's why exactly our well track as rmp, the external track as the ukraine nato council, this is exactly what we can talk about, and it's important, in addition to the internal track, which i said, we now see that, well, come on, the council - this is a new level, so here it is not only about integration, but also about where ukraine can be helpful or be part of the common security architecture, so i think that the more we are for ourselves during this time, while we are fighting, unfortunately and losing ours, our brothers, sisters and friends, but we understand how we are building the foundation of a new structure

security, this is what we can explain to our partners at the council meeting, it is very important, we heard from our partners that ukraine, well, must necessarily be a member of nato, or did we hear further that the door are open, everyone has the right to be a member of nato, yuriy, i think that now, without saying everything , they understand that everything rests on the position of washington, on the position of: american partners, the united states, we understand, took a certain pause, because it is political a sensitive issue, and the washington summit, unfortunately, is more of a signal that it will not be quite like that breakthrough, but i think that the partners are focused on the big players, so the more we work and in a bilateral format with our partners, and in the united states, in washington, and in those capitals that are powerful enough in europe, which represent the naoto alliance, the more better and it will be easier, so the explanation is really

where we are in this format, it will push our partners, you understand, i think that you and i will agree here that when ukraine wins, the alliance will look at it differently, and the invitation can be fast, operative and have completely different conditions for us than we have now, so i think that we need to grit our teeth, do our work, but at the same time fulfill our, let's say, intentions and according to ours. other areas where we have joint agreements. i completely agree with you on this. mr. gennadiy, the last question for you, at the nato headquarters at meetings, i heard many times from our partners that ukraine now needs to continue to implement reforms and, in particular, to fight corruption. the prime minister, mr. shmyhal, said that we are doing well with this. he already seems to have even said twice about this, that we are fighting corruption. do they believe in

this alliance? well, you see, the situation is that on the one hand, our project, even the european one, shows that we have made enough projects, which are connected with certain strategic visions of the fight against corruption, the fight against corruption, these are anti-corruption measures, then i would say , that there are other efforts from other partners, which unfortunately put additional obstacles in our way, so we heard and saw the former president of the european commission, wrote that ukraine is simply all in the grip of corruption, povoha and other attempts of other countries, other politicians, so the work here will not be easy, and it depends not only on our track, what we have done, but also on how we communicate with our partners, and we understand that money, rough money, goes to weapons, to support ukraine and therefore the countries that are members of the alliance, they are just worried about how it is really spent, maybe you know this, anxiety, it is useless, but they need to explain it, that it is really necessary... ma. therefore, it is necessary to increase efforts not only from ourselves

steps, but also from the communication of this situation with partners, so that there is really more information about efforts than information about how corrupt we are. thank you very much, mr. hennadiy, for participating in the program, it was hennadiy maksak, the executive director of the ukrainian prism foreign policy council, who spoke about the meeting of defense ministers of nato member countries, which took place last week on wednesday and thursday in brussels, the capital of belgium. on the first day they talked a lot. about ukraine, about support, as we can see, here is a conversation with mr. gennady, about the fact that this there is support, and this support will be there, even though a conflict has begun in israel, which diverts attention from ukraine. yes, before moving on to discussing the next topic and introducing the next guest, i'll take a look at youtube. you can watch us on youtube, and 1046 people are watching on youtube, please join.

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killed a lot, now according to new data about 1,400 dead israelis simply entered the territory of israel and simply killed residents , about this and other things related to this, i would like to talk to yevhen sova, an israeli politician, journalist, member of the israeli knesset, he should join us now, minute by minute, second by second , i really hope so, and to talk about that, the only new thing i want to tell you is that this morning there was information that butsim agreed on a ceasefire agreed by the united states of america, israel and egypt, egypt, which again supports , the arab world, the united states of america, by the way, the united states secretary of state anthony blinken was in israel last

week, he met with the prime minister of this country benjamin netanyahu, he then went to saudi arabia, last night, in fact this morning, he met with the crown prince of saudi arabia, and again for information, he has to return today for the second time to israel in order to to meet for the second time with prime minister benjamin netanyahu, as well as leading politicians of this country, so as you can see, a lot of everything is happening there, by the way, also the president of the united states. america's joe biden may come to israel on the 18th 19th, so we'll see, right now we don't have our guest that i've already introduced, we're waiting for him to come on, let's go to a short commercial break,

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, look, my first question will be this, yesterday, how serious can it all be, so even despite these statements that were made today in the morning, that israel, the united states of america and egypt agreed on some kind of ceasefire, but yesterday there was a statement from the secretary general of the united nations, antonio. who said: quote: "world is on the edge of the abyss in the middle east." how serious can it all be? well, first of all, i haven't been a journalist for 4.5 years, i 'm a former journalist, after all, i've been in the knesset for almost 5 years, look, and we are waging a heavy war, we started it, literally just a few hours after the brutal attack by hamas, and there is no need for any additional, any additional information, this is a war that we want to see: to the end, and i am very glad that my party, the leader of my party, vikdor

luberman, said that the goals of this war must be met be the unequivocal destruction of hamas as an organization that threatens the state of israel, hamas is not only the gaza strip , it is also on the west bank of samaria, the hamasites are in southern lebanon, with the support of hezbollah, including actively trying to provoke us to open a second front, and like any war that is being waged, we do not disclose there what we will do tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, there in 2 days, but the questions that concern some humanitarian things, or there a temporary ceasefire, although this this is also not true, because the head of the press service of the israel defense forces, brigadier general daniel hagary, just said that there is no humanitarian ceasefire, that is, there are requests that we receive, in particular, for example, there was a request to resume water supplies to the southern part of the gas sector, here you just need to understand, your tv viewers too, to tell them that israel does not at all... should deal with the situation in gas, that is, israel withdrew from gas in 2005, but nevertheless

electricity supplies continued, water supplies continued, now our task is to completely cut off, you know, this umbilical cord, as they say here in israel, from the gaza sector, so that not only would hamas not be in gaza, but also that we would not be responsible for the situation in gaza, let alone egypt takes on this function, there is a lot of speculation on the topic, we have an agreement, as if you are negotiating there now, there are no agreements, but negotiations are always conducted, because we... understand that this is the fate of the kidnapped 200 citizens who are there, only israeli citizens, i i emphasize, that is, 199 israeli families received information this morning, well, not all 199, but today there was a statement that 199 families of israelis received a notification that their loved ones are in the hands of hamas, that is, no, not here, where bodies are still being identified on the basis of the army ravinat, precisely in the gas sector, so it is also taken into account, we... for our part , we believe that there should not be any humanitarian corridors, the pressure on hamas should be maximum if hamas holds ours

citizens, why do we now have to make some humanitarian concessions , that's why i can't tell you about any agreements, i can only tell you my position, in particular the position of our party, the leader of my party, which we voice, but about you said negotiations, negotiations are still underway, right? no, no, do not negotiate with hamas, i am saying that if there is any dialogue with our partners, it is clear that it is being conducted, the dialogue is being conducted with the usa, the dialogue is being conducted with egypt, we have a peace treaty with egypt, we are israel and egypt coordinate their actions, we always have, when something happens in the gas sector, egypt is the first to act as such an intermediary, still trying, well, at least to understand the situation, because egypt has the same border with gas as we do , well, i'll give you, yuri, look, i'll give you an example, between gaza and egypt there is a checkpoint at rafiyah, okay, these are checkpoints that are located on the border, for example. for a long time, hamas did not want to open a checkpoint on its side, so that entered the territory of egypt, for example, foreign citizens who are in

the territory of the sector, on our part, we are ready, for example, to take foreign citizens to the territory of israel. but what did hamas do? not only that, in the early days of the war, when it started, when hamas started the war, it primarily attacked employees, israeli employees, who worked at these checkpoints, and there were several of them that are now closed, there eres in the north, kerem shalom, a little south, eh, these people, these people, our citizens, our dead citizens, were engaged in the fact that they were passing humanitarian cargo that arrived at the port of ashdod, ashdod is a southern israeli city, located some kilometers away. well, 20-25 north of the gaza strip, you see, for hamas there are no civilians there, hamas uses them now as a human shield, hamas, for example, forbids the residents of gaza to move south, because there are, for example, schools in the southern part of gaza unra, unra is an agency, the un for palestinian refugees, in these schools no one shoots at these schools, in these schools they receive some

medicine, water, food, that is, the israeli army said that everyone who remains today in gaza city is responsible for their lives and their future, because in the event that at the moment when the ground operation begins, there is already no one will watch, but why did you stay in the gaza strip, you were given enough days to leave , hamas is preventing this migration to the south, there the hamas militants are actually covering themselves with their own people, like a human shield, now you know, this is the discussion very wide, alone they say, here in israel, where they say, yes, they voted for, they supported hamas, because there were no elections as such, hamas' control of the gas sector 16 years ago without elections, but the majority of the population supports hamas anyway , why should we then now divide the population of gaza between hamas, but first , because we are not animals, let's start with this, because we are a legal state, we understand that peaceful citizens should not die as a result of what hamas creates , that's why we try to maneuver, uh, i'll tell you a secret, it's very difficult to navigate after we haven't

buried all of the 1,400 killed israeli citizens, it's also very difficult in society... today they look at the civilians of gaza in a completely different way, many in general believe that there are no peaceful residents of gaza, if you support hamas and you supported him there for 16 years and actually recognized his authority, then what kind of peaceful citizens are you, but nevertheless, as i have already said, israel takes all these questions into account with our american partners, with egypt, with anyone another country that wants to be an intermediary and possibly give us some information about the kidnapped citizens who are now in the sector. panegan, there was also information yesterday that israel, i'm sorry, iran threatened that if israel starts a ground operation in the gas sector, then - iran can intervene, that's all, how serious can it be, that iran can present now whether it is dangerous, well, first of all, iran is not the first time threatening the state of israel, let's start with this, and its request will intervene or not

will interfere, in fact, it is absolutely uninteresting to us, because it is. the only state today, which is a member of the un , and which openly talks about its goal to destroy, as they say, the zionist establishment, they do not even mention the word israel, therefore, one of us is at war with iran, and we have a confrontation with iran, we are at war with iran on the territory of syria , and by the way, a lot has been said about this in recent days, because iran supports both hamas and islamic jihad, this is generally a proxy group in the gas sector, and of course the shiite the hezbollah group, which is recognized as a terrorist group in many countries of the world, so iran, uh, you know, the situation that on the one hand they kind of support hamas, threaten the second front, but on the other hand, here we have to pay tribute to our american partners, who said that if hamas, if hezbollah and iran try to intervene, then of course america will not be on the sidelines and will not watch how we are waging a war on two fronts, although israel is capable of waging a war on two fronts, that is, i am not rushing here now slogans, i'm talking about the fact, yes, that is, israel is an independent

state, with a strong army, with strong people, iran's statement should not be considered... in the context of our actions in gaza, moreover, i think that if we will bring the operation in gaza to the total destruction of hamas, then this will be a good lesson for iran, first of all, because the next in line will be hizballah, there were various reports that the iranian head of mida had made a trip to the middle east, there is no need to comment on the statement countries that sees israel as the first target for destruction, so unfortunately we had excellent relations with iran until... 79, iran was a strategic ally of israel until the ayatollahs came, until the islamic revolution came, which they are now spreading throughout all over the world, in the middle east, there other countries also suffer from it, here is azerbaijan, for example, a state that is located like a sandwich, you know, between russia and iran, it is to this country that they are always trying to spread their islamic ideas, islamic revolution, i