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[000:00:00;00] to power by creating a coalition, this is better for ukraine too, well, first of all, thank god that the election campaign ends, and ends, ends, yes, and these anti-ukrainian sentiments, not such sentiments, but anti-ukrainian politics, let's hope that will go into the past, uh, a good, absolutely good practice of polish politics has always been that support for ukraine was consensual, that is, no matter what government there was in poland, it always supported ukraine, and let's take, for example, president oleksandr kwasniewski, who was with left, which played a fantastic role during the orange revolution, during the euromaidan, was in power, donald tusk played an equally colossally big role, donald tusk, as the head of the european council, he was
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a true friend of ukraine, all ukrainians should remember his speech in ukrainian within the walls of the verkhovna rada of ukraine in the alarming 18th year, i.e. donald tusk is an experienced person, a pragmatic politician, but clearly with pro-ukrainian positions and he will not engage in such small matters, i.e. he collected two weeks before the elections a special meeting on relations with ukraine, and his statements, his program is absolutely pro-ukrainian, that is, this is poland, which ukraine knows, understands, and perceives as the most friendly country to itself, to itself, i would say a little differently, that let's hope that both peace and president duda will return to this policy that they implemented after february 24, 2022, to this policy that they began
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to implement this summer. mr. boroslav, i also wanted to ask you your opinion, as a polish politician, about the former, former, former polish politician, and actually, a person who looks at freedom of speech, not through the eyes of a ukrainian, because it is also important, for ukrainians, ukrainians do not yet fully understand the importance of freedom of speech, now we have such a situation that journalists were invited to the office of... the president, but not everyone, many were not invited, uh, instead, representatives of the trukha telegram channel were invited, and of course, the journalists who were not invited, and those who were invited, resented this, because why suddenly some telegram channel , which is unknown who leads, well
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, maybe there are people there who know who... where, because they invited some representatives, but it’s like that, you can’t call it meddia, it’s just a telegram channel that someone runs, someone who throws some information somewhere, moreover, we already showed it to ukrainians, because there is an investigation into how much it costs to post information on telegram, on this telegram channel, there you can pay a considerable amount and your information will appear , that is, no one checks whether it is true there, or it may appear somewhere in such and such and no one writes there, that this is advertising, because some messages are labeled in the media, such as advertising, is that normal in a country like ukraine , which is at war, but which wants to be among the european countries, aspires to go there, it also wants to have it for sure, if it is a european country, it also wants to have freedom of speech, well, i would
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divided into three components, in fact, this is a question... about the access of trukha or some other telegram channel to the president's office, this is a question for the security service of ukraine in the end result, i would advise ukrainian journalists to turn to the sbu, with the question, what is this do they know about this did they check the list of participants, well, the country is in a state of war, martial law, martial law, access to the president's office, this and to ukrainian politicians in general, in general, of course it happens, or should it happen under...' control, that is, the question, when such questions arise, they arise first of all before, before those who are supposed to control the situation on the territory of ukraine, because this is a war, and there should be no jokes, jokes about it, well, this is one, the second, the second element, freedom of speech and the issue of freedom of speech, i think the lesson from the polish election is that, however you should er, the state media for their services, they did,
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they did the worst work for you, well, what they did with... donald tusk, when he was presented there, i don't know, the biggest enemy of everything polish, and a little in german and so on, well , it just went beyond any limits, you can't just do that. and the science of this is, despite the fact that you have some control over the media, today's society is so mature and mature and understands the stakes of elections and the situation in which it is that you are nothing you will not achieve this, on the contrary, the result of your actions will be the opposite, that is, you will not receive the support you were counting on, this is such an instructive lesson from the polish elections, i would advise the ukrainian authorities to learn from this experience, and not to engage in it like someone from politicians, that the pro-ukrainian dog is replaced by the anti-ukrainian opposition, well, this is complete nonsense , that is, in fact, to include an analysis and a serious analysis, which will be based on the interests of
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ukrainian democracy, ukrainian society as it is, as part of the european union, the future and the european civilization, that's how pathetically i ended the topic, and the third freedom of speech... in a democratic society is one of the basic values and you can't flirt with it or play with it, i really liked ms. lesya 's post, i forgot about this ukrainian journalist who works in gliwice, on the pages of your almost native election newspaper, she wrote a beautiful text, specifically about this anti-ukrainian wave in poland, and she says, we opened our hearts to you and so on, but instead we learned that we are not... such that we we are here at your mercy, although in reality, we work very hard, invest, pay taxes, it is true, and 75% of ukrainian refugees work in poland, have found employment, that is, no one
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does anyone such a special favor, of course, in ukraine, ukrainians are very grateful to poland for the reception, especially at the beginning, poland gave a fantastic example of solidarity and such brotherly help, and this will not be forgotten, of course, and should not be forgotten, but she wrote that, well , let's not do it, because they are like that, you know , scars at heart, they, they will remain, and it is not worth it, it is not worth playing, nor abusing, and this is also such a lesson, you know, what society wants, today, in particular after such experiences as the war in ukraine, as what is happening in israel, today, society wants peace, peace and development in such normal relations and in good, interpersonal... relations, because in another way, this world is simply terrible, and we do not want to live in a terrible world, actually yes, mr. myroslav, thank you, myroslav cech, the polish politician was with us, we are going for a short break, we will return and yehor checherinda, our
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draw your own conclusions. dear friends, this is the exciting moment when yehor checherinda joins us, a journalist, presenter, is in kyiv in a warm jacket, because it is probably winter in the capital. thank you, colleagues, it is very wintery, we are now in serka, on yuriy lilnka street, next to babin yar, the burial place of tens of thousands of jews. ukrainians, roma, who were tortured during
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the second world war. now we will talk about the crimes of the new war, the current war of the 21st century with our international expert, columnist, dmytro leusy. i congratulate you, mr. dmytro. congratulations. good day, look, i wanted you know where to start, mr. dmytro, with the fact that, touching on the topic of the jews of israel, there was a lot of talk about the fact that after the attack by hamas on the state of israel, which happened 10 days ago. the ukrainian president offered to come with a mission of support and solidarity to the jewish people, to come to the state of israel, but, as reported by the israeli media, the times of israel reported yesterday that israel unfortunately responded with a refusal from the office of the ukrainian president regarding this visit . it is reported that the israeli side motivated the refusal by the fact that now zelensky's visit is not in time, this is a quote, the request was made after the attack, let me remind you, by hamas, which happened exactly 10 days ago, on october 7. what do you think, mr. dmytro, what is the reason for such
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a refusal? let me remind you that american president joe biden is coming to the state of israel tomorrow with a similar solidarity visit. please. well, in principle, in my opinion, the ukrainian initiative, of the ukrainian president, was absolutely logical and correct, not even so much in order to demonstrate support and that, but also for, including, for that the world would eventually see. that there really is an evil army, yes, because behind the attack, almost all israelis i know admit that iran is behind the attack, ukraine says that this army of evil has been formed, and moscow, tehran and hamas, their proxies that act , especially since we see, for example, that even in this attack, not only iranian funds, but also an unequivocal russian methodology, yes preparation, the methodology is unequivocal, because it is applicable. drones in this
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particular context, other things, they allow about it to speak, but the reason, in my opinion, is that, no matter how surprising, the israeli leadership , after all, well, first of all, it is trying to maintain relations with moscow, it seems already clear that this passed, for example, the pro-russian parts of the israeli communities said that these trips to and from moscow were forced on him in order for moscow to restrain hamas and the tazbal, well, it is clear that this definitely did not happen, but yesterday, yes, it seemed to be happening, it happened... the conversation was for sure netanyahu with putin, although a week before that , moscow demonstrated in principle, well, in essence loyalty to hamas, and moreover, hamas yes, it - every six months its representatives go and kiss at the highest level with moscow, well, it is clear that it is probably calculated so that
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there would not be such an obvious escalation, the second point, paradoxically, maybe there is a selfish calculation that if it doesn't happen... so that the tragedy of ukraine, in the meantime, so to speak, will be perceived on the same level as the israeli tragedy, israel has this kind of practice, to demonstrate, yes, that its victims are us , yes, not someone the other, yes, of course, yes, i think that, such a calculation is also in a certain way, perhaps selfish is present, and here again, and, then, the exclusivity of communication is lost. with us president biden, who is coming there, so i think that in a certain way we can talk about a certain such, well, and such is not quite the same, the fact that the israeli politicians also still do not fully understand the nature
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of the global confrontation and, but it is possible sincerely, well, somehow such a conviction, mr. dmytro, but then how should the ukrainian authorities react now on this note. and it is possible to change one's attitude towards this middle eastern, this great war, or not to change , after all, well, we really have a large jewish community, really this community suffered the most during the previous world war right here in ukraine, right here in this place, right here this is a place of women, it is a witness of these sufferings. the ukrainian president has jewish blood, we want to express, well, the solidarity of the people of israel, who suffer from this conditional nazism, fascism of the 21st century, but we get a refusal, we change our attitude now to your relations with the state of israel, or not? i think that, in fact, one should calmly react to why, because the immaturity of certain israeli politicians is not, or , let's say, an error in some calculations, it does not mean that this
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approach should be changed, especially since in fact, well , the situation is such that i think that the understanding of this... this is a global confrontation and the fact that there is a common front, it will simply, well, in practice lead to this, the second point is that really, well, we really are on one side for one on one side yes of this confrontation, and the third moment, well, if, it was really a sincere effort to express, yes, his support, a sincere effort, once again yes to demonstrate that yes... we have a president of jewish origin and he remembers and appreciates about it, and therefore, well, i don't think that anything has changed from this, or that there is a need to respond to such actions, especially since ukraine by and large has not lost anything, in fact, how
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does ukraine respond to the threats that have now arisen for their citizens who are in the territory of the state of israel, so small mini, well, a misunderstanding. let's say, between the ukrainians who live there and the ukrainian embassy, two large evacuation planes flew from israel to romania, which took part of the ukrainian citizens, there are still 15 ukrainian citizens who want to leave israel, well, in the direction of, for example, romania, but this misunderstanding arose due to the fact that the citizens expected that these evacuation planes would be free, but the embassy offered to pay 400 € plus or minus for one ticket, that is, some money should be and well, our ambassador said that we did not promise that it would be free, although the citizens immediately remembered the times of covid and this evacuation plane known to zhuhani from china, when everyone flew for free, how do you feel about this little scandalous misunderstanding, well, really against the background of what is happening, and the big war in which
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ukraine is now and the war that may start in the middle east, it really looks like a small misunderstanding. i think that in fact, in principle, after all, ukraine is ukraine, it is a home for all ukrainians, and how is it it is not surprising, and there should be, even in such conditions, and shelters, yes, and therefore, if there is an evacuation, then it must be an evacuation, and in principle, it was necessary to find opportunities for this removal, although yes, i also do not see there is a great tragedy here, because after all, the situation is quite stable and, but , but it would be... logical, yes, because ukraine is saving its citizens, that's right, well, at any rate, well, i think it's a lack of communication , probably it was simply not necessary to call these evacuation planes.
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let's move on to one more topic, another not so good one today a pleasant event happened, today for us the president of russia vladimir putin flew to china, to the people's republic of china to meet with the head of the people's republic of china, and this, i would like to remind you, is the first visit of putin during the great war to any foreign country abroad. of the post-soviet period beyond, let's say, belarus and the countries of central asia that were part of the ussr, what does this show, what will they talk about, and you know, yesterday i spoke with netanyahu, today he is meeting with xi jinping, aren't positions strengthening now international, diplomatic of ours the enemy, please, in principle, in fact, this is expected, that putin really has little room for maneuver, and it is clear what he will talk about, yes, about support, and the day before there was also his very interesting interview with the chinese media corporation,
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from which it is simply written in this interview that he is a serf and a vassal, speaks from the media of his master, where he also sings eulogies of the wisdom of sidzenpin, where he talks about the fact that, you see, we solved the territorial problems, as if on compromises, although in fact the whole world you know, they gave the big usuri island there, and the situation there too, has not changed , yes, the chinese claims, they remain, and again about the fact that there is no threat from chinese pressure, there is one train, one road, this is generally very good, that is, it is clear that he is going there in conditions where there is no world support , nowhere else, and by and large, there is no opportunity to wage war, because we, of course, there they are mobilizing the economy, but with yes... what is missing in modern russia, of course to go to places where this support can be at
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the political level and where this support can be at the economic level, it is possible to supply weapons there through north korea, china, through there through relabeling, things like that. thank you, dmitry, i wanted to raise one more question with you, we have literally one minute, yesterday there was another extraordinary event, a terrorist attack took place in brussels, this is the capital of belgium, after before, during, let's say, the tag match for euro-24 white sweden , there the terrorist killed three, according to one information, according to other information from two fans of the swedish national team, it was as if allah akbar shouted and then recorded a video that he was a representative of idols and that he did this to the infidels in the name of allah, and everyone started talking about the fact that this world war is really turning into a world war , and this conflict is already going beyond the borders of ukraine, israel, is moving to europe, what do you think about this, will it be, well, it will become, god forbid, a trend, briefly, please, well, about a trend. first of all, this is not the first such terrorist act, there are many to mention, especially since this is happening against the background of demonstrations in support of palestine, yes
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, it is clear here that i think that in fact it is too early to talk about trends, but that the conclusions should be made by the security services of all western countries and work on preemption, this is an unequivocal, unequivocal fact. thank you, well, i will say that the match was never finished, it was stopped after the first 1:1 score, when it will be finished, it is not known, and now the special services of belgium are looking for this terrorist murderer, he has not been found yet, the highest the degree of danger has been announced throughout belgium, thank you, dmytro levus, he was with us , our international expert, colleagues, i pass the word, the spresso broadcast continues, thank you, yehor, by the way, there is information that they have already found and even shot this abdu sabel, it seems, in fact, it turned out to be him, he was suspected of committing these murders. two brussels fans , this is the information, dear friends, thank you for spending this morning with us, andriy saichuk and lesya vakulyuk worked in this studio for you, we will return tomorrow at 7:10, and you
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forever. greetings, it's news time in eteriso, kateryna shirokpoyas works with you. a rocket attack on sloviansk, under the rubble of a dormitory there are two people at the agricultural college. the five-story building is partially destroyed. the russians shelled the city in the middle of the night. emergency rescue operations are ongoing, the state emergency service reported . in a day. in donetsk region , two people were killed and another was injured. avdiyivka was hit by massive artillery shelling. two high-rise buildings, two private houses and an educational institution were damaged in the voyarsk community, the regional military administration said. and at night, the enemy fired at beryslavsky district from aviation
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