[000:00:00;00] systematic and systematic education to hate hamas in the gaza strip, this is precisely the fact that a large part of the youth there, who are covered by this movement, who are in the ranks of this movement, consider the goal to be simply murder, there is no rational goal of creating a palestinian state, so that hamas no longer 15 years of ownership. in a country without any israeli control, if they wanted to create a state, they have a certain, well, if you can compare singapore symbolically, but somehow singapore did not succeed because their efforts were directed not on the development of the economy, not on the development of education, the system of social protection, health protection, their efforts were

aimed at increasing military... capacity, strengthening the missile arsenal, building bunkers and fortifications in case of a land invasion of the israel defense forces and to foster this spirit of hatred for all jews, which is not limited to the territory of israel, and it is very telling that the official head of the political wing of hamas , holetashal, who is, by the way, not sitting in qatar, he called for murder of jews all over the world and to the worldwide pogrom, i quote him verbatim, that is, literally, this, killing, as a certain religious goal of this religious-radical movement, has become such an end in itself, it is not a means to achieve the goal, the liberation of the palestinian territory and the creation of a palestinian state, it is

the goal. and dying by killing is just as much an end in itself, is just as much the goal of these terrorists , because they believe that, or they are brought up to believe that dying in battle, and these acts of terrorism, they consider combat surgery, and means for a person to go to heaven, and that is exactly what they are going for, and longer-term prospects. they don't have, they don't really think that these methods are rationally justified, no matter how cruel they are, but they have some rationality, their goal is the very killing and destruction of the jewish people and the state of israel, you know, it reminds me of this ideology of the bolsheviks, this their song is known that we will go for soviet power and how we will die alone in

the struggle for this, for this, for what? then no one particularly understood, but we all did we are stirring up a peace conflagration, this was the ideology of the bolsheviks, who, well, you don’t understand why you have to go to finland, occupy lithuania, latvia, estonia, invade ukraine, poland, but it was, well, there in germany the bolsheviks tried to foment a revolution, no they succeeded, they climbed into spain, then afghanistan, and so on, there was vietnam, korea, well, that is, there were soviet troops everywhere, plus i am not talking about the countries of africa, american chips, cuba, but this is in the struggle for eta, well, this is hatred for everything around that is not like you, here we see you and i came to a conclusion, well, thanks to you, of course, not me, you came to such a conclusion , well, we can conclude that this is a completely irrational war, which somehow does not have, well , putin, no matter how irrational he is in his hatred to ukraine, because he is losing more now than he is gaining, but still there is a certain imperial, ideological, economic goal, he has it, well, at least he had it before the beginning of this invasion, now there is probably not much left, but

putin with all his... inclination, somewhere in some practical, practical component of his war against ukraine can be traced to him. here, as far as i understand, there is no practical component, because the people who cut the pipes that were allocated to them for the water supply by the european partners and made rockets out of them, well , obviously they have no goal to develop, as they said, no economic way, so i, well, we have time there are only a few minutes left, i would like to ask, in your opinion , what can be the solution to this issue now, today joe biden is supposed to be in israel, by the way, and this is another visit high there already bulana berbuk and zeini urslav fonden and blinkin, well, now the president of the usa has arrived, will a solution to this issue be found, or do you think that they will still try to put an end to this horror, which is contained in the hamas organization in the south of israel, an end to palestine of course, this will not put an end to the israeli conflict in general, but it is an attempt to put an end to

history. hamas, of course, we are now watching, unlike previous conflicts and clashes with hamas, now israel will not stop, nor will any international community, no biden will stop israel from destroying the removal of hamas from the leadership of the gaza strip, as i said, the biggest question is what will happen next, how will the leadership of the gaza strip be settled and after the removal of hamas from power, and of course, the price of this, how many more deaths will there be civilians in gaza, how many are dying hostages who are now being held in gaza, how many more israelis will die in this armed conflict, but after the horror of october 7, israeli society inside, it simply will not accept others

answers to the question of what to do with hamas, except to destroy it as an organization, at least to destroy it as a de facto government in the gas sector, forever, this threat, in this form, well, destroy it, stop it, it will not solve the problem as a whole , from this the state and palestine will not appear on the political map, but it will bring the creation of a palestinian state closer, because for the past 15 years no more negotiations with the palestinian national administration on realistic steps towards the creation of a state made any sense, because the palestinian national controlled this territory that theoretically belongs to its jurisdiction, that the palestinian nation was divided in a certain way, this idea of ​​two states for two peoples has already been realized within the palestinian people,

the people in gaza got a hamas government and their islamic state, the people in judea and samaria on on the western bank of the river and agdan received mahmud abbas and some autonomy. after the elimination of hamas from the fruit in kaza, a certain stability in the region will come closer, but again, the question of the price of this option becomes very acute, how long other arab countries will observe the humanitarian catastrophe that we are all witnessing in gaza, then the water to gaza was piped from that israel. which they, the hamasites, wanted to destroy and which has now almost stopped water supply, electricity supply to gas, what will be the price, will the proxy power

of iran hizballah not intervene in the north, will iran not intervene , directly, echoed from the islamic republic of iran, with a threat, that in the event of the commencement of a ground operation. they will be forced to intervene, and the efforts of the united states, among other things, they aim to prevent such a development that could lead to a significant regional conflict, as well as international efforts, including the united states, they aim to, with the help of other arab countries that can act brokered, the same qatar that houses the leadership, the political leadership of hamas, and that previously also sponsored the hamas movement in gaza to help free the israeli hostages that were taken by

the terrorists and in a way to bargain for it the scale, well, to reduce the scale of israel's military operation, currently israel is not negotiating with terrorists, but certainly... all these diplomatic efforts have as many pluses for israel as minuses and significant efforts that the international community is currently trying to make around the situation, aimed at on de-escalation, again the question is whether it is possible to remove hamas from power in gaza without large-scale hostilities and establishing control. thank you very much, mr. vyacheslav, thank you for participating, thank you for your expertise. own comments, vyacheslav likhachev was with us, historian, member of the expert council of the center for gomordian freedoms, we will now go on a short break, then another guest will join us, a guest, will join and we will look at this same problem from a different perspective, stay with us, the outlook continues, stay

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name is vasyl zima, i remind you, and the topic of our conversation is the roots the war in israel and the vision of the end of this war, is this really another harbinger of the third world, or is this a regional conflict that can be extinguished, destroy, by destroying the main fuse of this explosive, this is the terrorist organization hamas, anna zharova is with us, co-founder non-profit organization israel friends of ukraine. ms. anna, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, sviatoslav, and, well, it’s been 10 days, today, how is the war going on in israel, what can be said now, is there a vision of that, or at least some options are outlined that this war can be completed in a certain way, with certain actions , it will take time, because you know, in ukraine, after the full-scale invasion, there was such a character, an arrest officer, who constantly talked about two or three weeks, it even became a meme,

although, well everyone, no one knew whether we would survive with near kyiv, they will go, well, the russian army is huge, the state is huge, and well, no one wanted to believe in a long, great war, but it happened, what is the situation in israel now, and what can be said from what is happening both on the battlefield and on , in political, in diplomatic, let's say so intrigues, please, well, first of all, in israel now they do not give comments on how long this war will continue, there are several tasks that need to be solved, first of all, it is to return all the people , who are now in captivity and, many civilians, are now speaking about numbers from... uh, 199 to 250 people together with the military, so this is the first task, the next task is to really make sure that

we don't have any more threats on the border with the palestinian authority, and you can, as well, you can comment on it in different ways, analyze what it has, well, what significance it has, but this is what both the government and the army emphasized, that it is necessary to destroy hamas, we understand, as a civilian, i, as a citizen of israel, that this target, it is very difficult because we are talking about a terrorist organization with a network of around the world, with the support of such countries as russia and iran, we have been shelling in the north for several days now, and there have even been casualties among the military and among civilians from the lebanese side, and there have been several shellings even from syria, israel is located, israel is very small country, i keep repeating that we are like the kherson region, the entire territory

of israel, and therefore, let's say, react and, yes, the percentage of danger is very high here. from the point of view of the entire population, it does not matter where you currently live in israel, in the center or on south or north, everyone is now under threat, plus our geographical position, we have no friends in this region, we have, let's say , a peace treaty, yes with jordan and egypt, and now today, tomorrow the visit of the president is expected. .. john biden, and well, there is a lot of talk everywhere, what does this mean, why is he coming, before that there was a visit, the secretary of america, blinken, who was even present

in the cabinet, in the military cabinet, yes, where, i don’t know , some possible follow-up actions were discussed. and that's why no one gives a damn now let's say so predictions, when this is over, we understand that we as a civilian, a civil society, yes, we are now responding, responding to all the needs, to the evacuation, which, which must be done from, which started in the north, support, elderly people , people who do not speak hebrew, there are new repatriates who came from ukraine after the war. first of all, the war between ukraine and russia, there are refugees here, ukrainians, who also do not speak hebrew, and they need, shall we say, help, so there are many urgent issues and tasks, and they are dealing with this now,

and when it will end, no one knows, yesterday the head of israel's general security service, shabak, well, that's not his name, shabak, it's israel's service, shabak, ronenbar. took responsibility for what happened on october 7, how much, well, this is an important political decision , you know, yesterday, i think, i wrote a post about it on facebook, a dispute started, what and what from that, to someone, what he admitted, the point here is that in any war there are always mistakes, there are no wars where everyone does everything right, as cherchal said, there are always mistakes in war, and if something goes well, that is, you can't plan something in war, if something goes well, it's not because you planned it, because it's either a mistake or a coincidence, so, well, it's like that, it's like that, but it's responsibility and skill, courage to take responsibility and correct mistakes at the beginning of the war, and not to say, as some people said in ukraine, that we, excuse me, screwed up the south, well, but no one knows what happened there, let's figure it out later, but israel has already "they are clarifying

now, the mood of society, what they write in social networks, maybe what is commented on television, on youtube , what people say, because again, israel is a small country, everyone hears everyone there, and should we now find out who is responsible for changing something in the political leadership, well, elections not now, but well, should we wait when the war is over, and then give appropriate assessments and express trust or distrust of the authorities, who were at the helm, in fact, on october 7, please, yes, ronen barak, he admitted, a mistake, not even a mistake, and what shabak did not do what was expected of them to such a tragedy. it did not happen, and a few days ago, our commander in chief of the defense sent a message about this issue.

israel, but those people from whom society expects some, well, some reactions, yes, in addition to populist ones, let's say so, sentences that we will destroy everyone, we will defeat everyone, this is the main narrative that we hear today, and very great criticism, and there are even deputies who come to funerals, now in israel, it is already known that there are more than 1,300 families who lost their loved ones, and therefore every day in israel will hold several funerals, and at these funerals come, let's say, representatives of the government and there are representatives of the coalition today, who are simply chased away, whom they do not want to see, who are not allowed, for example, to hotels where people are now... who were evacuated from the south and which, well, of those

kibbutzim and settlements that survived this massacre, and have already begun, well, we hear from the authorities, yes, those responsible will be found, but now, let's win this war, and in social networks, when someone, let's say, iz' loms and people who, being socially active, express their positions, some kind of criticism , come to them, speak out of time, no, he doesn't do that, we'll figure it out later, but there is a question, then it's not about a mistake, so what do you you say, yes, in a war , when it has already started, there can be mistakes and some, i don't know, some failures, yes, and tactical failures, but we are talking about, in hebrew there is such a word migdal. about the failure of the national level, now, and this is the feeling in

israeli society, there is a lot of help to each other, but there is no more trust to the authorities, it's just a total loss of trust, and everything that they tell us now, the minister, yes, the minister of defense of israel, or even the prime minister, all the things that they, shall we say , address to society, well, very little trust and believe in these things. i'll be with us for literally five minutes, but i'll have time to ask two questions, and you'll answer them then . first, you know, it's worth understanding, for example, my paternal grandmother was jewish, but i'm not jewish mom, yes, that's why i can't feel the whole thing, what's more, i don't live in israel, although i've been there, but i don't can totally feel and understand what the israelis feel right now... in relation to the palestinians, i, well hamas is a terrorist organization that captured many there with their ideas and zombified people, maybe they

wanted to be zombified like the russians because i know , what ukrainians feel towards the russians, when they tell us that you will have to reconcile, talk, now we don't want to hear that, well, at least conscious ukrainians, some kind of war, at least somehow, they don't want to hear about reconciliation, negotiations, in general, so that there were no russians, go there yourself, repent swamps so we don't hear you, israel-palestine now after this attack. what is the feeling, what is the understanding of the future, the vision of the future, is it not up to this at all , and no one even wants to talk about it, let's finish with hamas, then later, let the pain subside somehow, what are the experiences in relation to those people who well, actually now there are on the other side of the barricades, no, not the barricades, but the battlefields, yes, this is a very difficult question, because it is necessary to understand the historical context, and let's say, the conditions in which, the country... israel exists, and about themselves pa- palestinians, i think that

today, there are no, well, there are voices that what israel is doing now, yes, and the bombing, well, and destroys the infrastructure, and there are losses among the civilian population, and in the world already criticism begins of israel, of such a position, but it seems to me that in israel today they support this policy, because they understand that it is not, they do not ask the question at what price, let's be honest, we will say, because now in hamas there are, as they put it, up to 250 hostages, i don’t know how to say in ukrainian, among them hostages, hostages, among them children, among them are elderly people, among them children, and 12. 13-14 years old, pregnant women, well , you have to understand, just the scale of the disaster that

israel as a country, as a society is currently experiencing, here... trauma, because everyone is there a dead or wounded person in the family, or someone is now, well, there, and you just can't call anymore, you're just afraid to call someone, because you'll hear another story about how who, who lost whom, and this is a mood that is not present today, israelis are very, well, they are a very empathetic nation, they always... help always, despite, let's say, different views in society between, more right-wing or left-wing, but all the same, if only, the willingness to help, today i have unquestionable feelings , empathy, it has taken a back seat, now, how to climb wounds, how easy it is for you

to get out of this national trauma with... so many dead and wounded and hostages and now we only think and can think only about ourselves and care only about ourselves. and finally, very briefly, this is the 10th day of the war, israel is already, already living in the war is in full swing, are there any people, territories, any segments of life where there is no war, well, we are here at all, it is not about us, we are having fun here, okay, don’t touch it, i know that you can drive through israel in a car 5 hours as i used to drive like that, so everything is very close there, but still , is israel all at war, it is all at war, some are mobilized, others are medics, a third is helping there, a fourth is taking care of children somewhere, but he is all, all fighting, israel is all fighting, all and yesterday we went to haifa, there to help, to collect first-aid kits, already for our military, and there is a lot of military equipment

on the roads, that is, you also have volunteers collecting first-aid kits for the military, because we think that no, it is necessary, you see, we are collecting now, because in israel at the same time, more than 350,000 people were mobilized, yes, they are somewhere in warehouses, they are, well, from the point of view of building all the logistics and providing for everyone, at the same time, it is simply impossible, so those people who are now these guys who are now waiting to enter the of gas, well, of entry in gas to land. operation, whether in the north, where already actions with hezbollah have begun, and what is needed now, not in, for example, three days, yes , how will the delivery be, volunteers are doing it, for israel it is also a war, it is unexpected, everything that is happening in israel now is total,

let’s say, total surprise, and therefore, all, shall we say, systems, they are now being reconfigured, but it takes time, and we don't have time, thank you very much, ms. anna, take care of yourself, good luck, anna zharova, co-founder of the non-profit organization, israeli friends of ukraine from israel, they talked about israeli war, the roots, about the causes and consequences, well, in any war, someone will win , it always happens, one way or another, someone must win, israel is under attack, this is a very difficult question and what we have been talking about for an hour, we they did not answer all the questions, even approximately, because in ukraine it is somewhat more unambiguous , here, well, it is unambiguous and ambiguous everywhere, but one people is fighting for its freedom, for the right to be and live, others want to kill it, all this is unequivocal war, and the world is coming to a stage where, in fact, as netanyahu said, don't teach us morality, everyone wants to survive and win, we will watch, we will comment, we will talk

, that's why we work here, stay with esso, i 'll say goodbye to you until the evening. more news. greetings to everyone from espresso, it's time to learn about the most important thing at the moment, i'll start with this. the occupiers shelled the residential area and the transport area. enterprise in kherson, as a result of which five people were injured, reported the head of the kherson regional military administration oleksandr prokodin. as a result of the shelling, two employees of the security company, who during shelling were in the service car. another wounded man, a 47-year-old man , is hospitalized with shrapnel wounds. about