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its features and ways of salvation in the documentary cycle from the roof designer. on saturday at 11:15 at espresso. well, gentlemen, let's talk a little, probably about democracy, whether it is, in what state it is in ukraine now, we often talk about the fact that we are fighting for freedom, but freedom, you know, is a rather ephemeral substance, if we do not mark what do we mean, let me remind you that freedom, for example, is called the ultra-right party of austria, which actually was, sympathized with putin, i don’t know how the question is now, that is, freedom is actually used in very different meanings, ukrainian ultra-rights they call themselves libertarians, for example, themselves, although they very often support some very restrictive ideas about restricting the free economy and so on and the like, despite the fact that i do not take away from them their...

huge contribution, most of all now, in fact, the deputies of all levels who died in this war and also went to fight as volunteers, probably among libertarians in percentage, percentage amount in scaling, but now let's talk about a slightly different dimension of freedom, but very important is freedom of speech, freedom of speech, and you know, i agree here with by what our colleague vitaly portnikov said recently about the fact that before the hamas attack on israel we did not have an example with which we could compare ourselves... in recent history, you know, i constantly talk about a different thesis, about , what do you know, if in our country, as yaroslav hrytsak, a famous ukrainian historian, says, president zelensky decided to play the role of winston churcher and play it well, then the question is why the role of the bbc is not played, for example, by the public, the ukrainian public broadcaster, the bbc during war, and one of the difficult ones decisions that were made at that time, in particular, for example, to publish full statistics of losses in the war, we understand that we are open, we have

a certain censorship, not only military, not only military, but also political, and this is also connected with the fact that what exists now in our country is known as the mama marathon, the only news, what is the role of the public in all this, what in principle to do with it, what are the threats to telegram channels, we will talk about all this with a media expert, deputy editor-in-chief of detektor media and the head supervisory board of public broadcasting svetlana ostapa, ms. svetlana, good day, i am glad to see you, good day, even in... in your reality, even in your representation, there is a certain conflict of interests here, why, because you are the head of the supervisory board of the public, but at the same time the patroness, the editor-in-chief of detector media natalia ligachova, a respected media expert ukrainsky, who, by the way, recently spoke directly at a round table about the fact that the only news telethon is actually an example of such not freedom, to say the least, but also political

censorship, er, how to explain, me, i'm more precise i understand how to explain the presence of the public in the telemarathon, since... in fact, the monitoring shows that the only, in the only news, the public is such a bright ray, but at the same time, the very participation of the public in this telemarathon, is it not such, you know, equipment with the devil, so to speak, or the path of good intentions, which actually legitimizes this marathon itself, i do not see the conflict of interests that you mentioned, and the former minister of culture oleksandr tkachenko once spoke about the conflict of flights from the podium of the verkhovna rada, that i i work in public organization, is the chairman of the supervisory board of the society. it is not clear what the conflict is here, because by law our members of the supervisory board do not receive a salary, and therefore, of course, there are clearly written

criteria that determine the conflict of interests, i do not have a stake in any tv broadcasters and i am not a politician or a civil servant , so i don't have any conflict of interest, this is a clarification regarding the fact that the public participates in the telethon, it happened, let's say, at the beginning of the war, and there was a very interesting story when at the end of the 24th in february, at the end of the day, we were simply forcibly disconnected from the air, on the rada channel , and then we began, the public began to evacuate to lviv, and a few days later, we were asked to help produce a telethon, what moment was created, and who asked, who asked

, and it is important, well, the same channels, because all the channels, at the beginning of the 24th, all the channels tried to do informational marathons and tried to do them with the forces they had left, because most of the team members evacuated their families , their children, and do the telethon in those conditions was extremely difficult, since, well, taking into account the fact that there were not many people who could work around the clock every day, that is, people also needed rest, several thousand social workers, for the telethon you need, i don’t know, a maximum of 100 people, what are we saying now, well, let's do it, it seems to you that 100 people are needed, it's firstly, secondly, that all these people are needed, they are working, a second, a second, a second, don't interrupt me, these people do not

all work on the first, you know, public - it's a big corporation, it's a lot, it's branches, it's radio, it's digital platforms, everything else, you 're talking about only one channel now. the public says that i'm telling you that at the beginning of the war, uh, we entered the telethon and as far as i know, espresso wanted to enter the telethon as well, but the channels, er, the commercial channels didn't want anyone else to enter except those who already created the telethon at that time, that is, there were six participants, and then you know that in march, a decree, a decision of the national security council was issued, which obliged all news broadcasters to broadcast the telethon, so we had, there were two ways out, so either we continue to produce and be part of the telethon, or we stopped producing it our slot but continued

to broadcast it, as espresso does now digitally, so i you understand that even if we it wasn't produced, we would still have it... exactly on the first channel, i understand, i understand this background, i'm just asking now whether the public broadcaster is now performing the function of a public broadcaster, remaining in this marathon, and whether now, and whether now or ok thank you, and does the telethon in this form continue to fulfill its function of objectively informing society about what is happening in the state, or are there signs of political censorship in your opinion. i'm not talking now about the public broadcaster, i'm talking now about others, for example, the participants of the telethon, and is it normal and comfortable for you, well, not you, i mean, but the television company for the public broadcaster to be in this company? we in this company show an example of how to work according to

standards, and marathon monitoring shows that only in the slot of public there is a balance of all the political forces that are in the parliament, well, except for the opzh, the opzh does not show publicly. all the other channels, there is a different situation from month to month, but they show mostly two political forces, and that's not normal, and that's not normal. i will say once again that, as we are in principle, you do not let me answer, i apologize , you asked me several questions, and you do not let me answer, i will hear the answer, so, well, you told me whether it is comfortable for the public to be there, i would love to close this marathon, but once again i say that i am a marathon i think i will close it only after the end of martial law, and we are doing everything possible to work there for the standard, and the monitoring proves it, besides, in addition to the first channel, the public has a huge number of other

platforms, this is the culture tv channel, and more than 20 channels branches in different regions, and three channels are welcome, and all these channels, all the children, a huge huge platform, because we now have a digital first policy, they all perform the function of a public broadcaster, as much as possible, we also have our own marathon on a regional broadcaster , questions to you as to after all, there are still heads of the supervisory board, because you see, i am talking as if with two guises of svitlana ostapo, well, i know very well, i appreciate and love this guise of a media expert, and the second one is what you really represent in the end a huge company, i understand this responsibility, i am asking you actually as a representative of the supervisory board, how should we build in the country ... reputations here, if there is, for example, a public broadcaster presenter on the same airwaves, and there are

presenters who are also yesterday they worked on the channels medvedchuk, they also worked on some anti-ukrainian channels, and in principle from anti-ukrainians, they conducted all sorts of concerts at 9 : he has, himself, the family was killed there, there, i don't remember what it was called there, well, for example, nastya herself dauguli, whom you know very well, i know very well, i worked with her. on the inter tv channel, i was always surprised that a person who has citizenship of the european union was so afraid of losing his job in this terrible viper house from which i, for example , escaped in the 10th year, just before the election of yanukovych, i'm just saying now as it is as frankly as possible, and that's why i actually hope for the same frankness from you as we build a reputation institute, if you are a public broadcaster, you don't set the tone in this, well, it's yours. personal opinion, i believe that the public sets the tone, and in the last year and a half, it has grown tremendously in its

popularity and trust, and the numbers prove it, because more than 86% of citizens who watch our news trust us, and this shows that that we set the tone, regarding the presenters in the marathon who were once employees of the medvedchuk channels, then there are no such presenters, and as for daugula, she left, by the way, she was one of the few who stayed at the beginning of the war and worked around the clock precisely in the newsroom of inter, obviously other presenters, then there were not many, there were only a few of their people, if you watched the marathon from the beginning , only inter had such a minimal presentation of presenters, they simply did not have enough people who could lead this marathon, well, you understand what, public, i say again, this is not only the first channel, you, like

politicians, are making mistakes all the time public only to one channel, i believe that this is fundamental wrong, ugh, okay, are there problems now, after all, on the only news because we simply now have an example of what is happening in israel, that is, not even a state of martial law was declared there, a war was declared there, and with all that, yesterday they literally had conversation with izrai. an israeli political scientist, political expert and, by the way, our colleague, a regular commentator on channel nine, a major news channel and israel, he says that it is not that we do not have political censorship, we have a problem now that we do not have military censorship, which even if it was sometimes needed , we joke to a certain extent that hamas does not need to monitor the next strikes, because they are announced in the news in advance, but he said that this is not an unthinkable flight. censorship in principle in our country despite this attack, despite all the terrible shocks and so on

and so forth, despite the threat that a second or even a third front will open in the country, but we see, in addition to calls for unity, we also see from one on the one hand, the demonstration of unity, which is happening, for example, the government is being created now, we have a problem because we have serious problems that need to be discussed, there are almost no really large national platforms where these problems... can be discussed, where possible, where you can sit, for example, representatives of different positions, different political forces and different views, in we simply have a certain propaganda line, which is set and written by some political technologists in the president's office, and therefore, when you say that the public fulfills its role and the function of the public, it seems to me that in this sense the public does not fulfill this role, the public in the best case, please, i will interrupt , do you know what talk shows there were in general, well , this year on ukrainian television, political talk shows? i don't know, you don't know,

there was such a talk show on social media, is it new? countdown and it went on from the month of march and there were different political forces and we discussed it, so it seems to me that you are a little cunning when you exaggerate the role of the telethon, the telethon by all indicators, measurements, a maximum of 10%, a maximum of 10%, that is we have representation on the tv air of various tv channels, your tv channel, the fifth tv channel, direct tv channel, exist on the satellite, they are not digital, unfortunately, but they are on the satellite, you have greatness. we don't have only one marathon, you see, we even have commercial channels that have duplicated channels, and i say again on public channels and many other channels, and these discussions are ongoing, if you think that i am for telethon with both hands, no, and i am about i have said this more than once, but don't make such

a picture for the viewer that we have only one telethon in the country, we don't have complete political censorship in ukraine, you know that great if there was complete political censorship, wouldn't your channels work? well, in order for us to have social, continuous, socio-political censorship, we still need to take several steps for this, but we can see, for example, these steps and warn society about them, or we can keep silent about them, it is impossible, of course, after the victory of the revolution of dignity, it is possible to instantly turn everything back, but it can be done over time, and ours, it seems to me, is precisely... the mission of journalists and independent media to talk about it, to warn about it, it is important, i want more to say, just to turn to you as a media expert, one of the consequences , in particular, of the fact that we do not have some kind of media leadership, a media community specifically, as some kind of entity, i think, is

that the popularity of telegram is growing in us -channels, the fact that we have now been invited to the president's office, for example, representatives of telegram channels, anonymous ones, and such as trukha, for example, who are very many ukrainians now in telegram, they no longer say the fact that telegram is, in principle, russian social network, and warned more than once, not even bakanov, but budanov, even said that it would be worthwhile to limit activities in ukraine, and here is one of, for example, also popular telegram bloggers joker, i don’t know who he is, i seriously don’t ...' i know, because i'm not interested, i don't have a telegram, even , but i even suspect that many ukrainian journalists, media representatives, know who he is, i see from his telegram, for example, that he's darning, someone there , conditional his anonymous portrait, for example, of budanov, and bohdanov accepts it in his own office, with what i can conclude is that this is an influential person in the media world, in principle, in

politics in general, and this person allows himself to write the same thing about nataliya ligachova in an absolutely rude manner. statements, for example, to write about the fact that the future is on telegram channels, and here you are, idiots, get off the telegram channels, unlike you, we will unite and bury you all, everyone, and yes, you need to communicate with the president a little more carefully, well that’s it he advises, for example, a representative of liganet, what do you think about it, and in fact we understand that these channels are under office wing the president and the current government, including the power bloc, do you not see in it a real threat to democracy, freedom of speech, which already exists now, well , telegram is the fact that the group was invited to a meeting with the president along with other respected media, i believe

, that this is not normal, because this shows that we say one thing officially and in legislation, but in reality we do something completely different, i understand that the president's office is interested in platforms that have more than 2 million subscribers and everything else but the contemptuous attitude towards journalists was from the beginning, from the beginning since the 19th year of the arrival of this government, that is, various representatives of the highest echelon of power disdained and allowed themselves disparaging remarks or judgments about the media that we...' without journalists, we will do without the media , we will communicate directly, and this in principle has not happened anywhere for all these years, they cannot understand that media that work according to standards are different from anonymous telegram channels that do not work according to standards, and eh, in principle telegram channels and anonymous channels,

which are just like cisterns, this is the same as the yellow press once , that is, it hasn’t changed, it hasn’t changed, well, the distribution of forces, that there websites are dying, newspapers are dying, television is dying, soon there will be one telegram channel, no soon and the telegram channel may not exist in a few years, but the distribution of forces, it remains for decades , is actually the same, there are coppers that work according to standards, and there are drain tanks, that is, in what forms and images they manifest themselves, it depends on the development , from progress in general, that is, it was once and cisterns, the yellow press and print media, then there were also websites, yellow cisterns, now telegram channels are cisterns... and so on, the fact that such a disdainful attitude continues, i think that, well, someday it will return

and the authorities, when they will understand, because the west, the western world, which is currently helping ukraine as much as possible, they are used to reacting to criticism in the media, but in our country, criticism in the media is not accepted and they immediately begin to despise them, devalue them and so on, this no... is normal, that is, in a democratic state, if we we are building a democratic, real state, there is respect for civil society and for the media, for the real media , er, are there now, in any form, dark people from the office of the president in the media, well, i have not seen such, we do not have such , uh, i think that there will be no such ones, as they were under medvedchuk, in this form, they will not be. maybe there will be dungeons for some court bloggers, i don’t know, but for the media, i haven’t seen them, and we haven’t heard of them, and in the media detector, we haven’t

heard of them either, here’s another nuance, i didn’t mention it for nothing legislation, we have a new law on media that came into force this year, and when it was said that it was written that you can register, voluntarily register the same online sites, then it said that those who are registered will have access to authorities and so further, now that we see that the registration is going by itself, it means that it is now on schedule, and anonymous cisterns are not registered with the authorities, well, we have literally a minute left, yulia mostova, in fact, recently also on this one, on this discussion, where natalya ligachova and yuli were also present, there was an annual national media conversation, and by the way, vitaly portnikov , the presenter from espresso, was also there, and i, along with mykola knyazhytskyi, also

spoke on the panel alone, and i actually wanted to say what she said about the fact that after, do you remember this famous publication about yaits about 17, which in the end cost the position of minister of defense reznikov, who did not even become, by the way, ambassador to velikyam, the question is that we still do not have an ambassador to velikyam britain after his also incomprehensible resignation prystaika, there is a big conversation here, again, the resignation of prystaika, did we discuss it enough, was it simple enough to present different positions, did we reveal the context of this resignation, well, but less so, there is no time for this, to put it simply, the president urged at this meeting, according to mostova, not to criticize the government, not to talk about corruption stories, is it possible to criticize the president under...' war, your answer is 30 seconds, if it is constructive criticism, then it is possible, i think, and not only the president , but also the government, if this

constructive criticism, if it's just some kind of general nonsense, then it seems to me that it's definitely not the right time now, thank you very much, ms. svitlana, svitlana ostapa was with us, she spoke about the situation of freedom of speech, well, now we're going on a break and we'll be back in a few minutes, a partner on protecting and maintaining your visual acuity, a feeling of visual impairment, discomfort in the eyes, sensitivity to bright light, these are possible precursors of cataracts and glaucoma, and the solution is glaufix to protect: and maintain visual acuity. gloofix is ​​11 effective components to protect your eyes glaufix - sharp vision forever.

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