[000:00:00;00] self-aim is also the aim of these terrorists, because they believe that or they are brought up to believe that dying in battle, and these terrorist acts they consider a combat operation, means for a person to go to heaven, and they this is exactly what they are going for, and they do not have a longer-term perspective, they do not really think that these methods are rationally based, there, no matter how cruel, but they have some rationality, their goal is the very killing and destruction of the jewish people and the state israel, you know, it reminds me of this ideology of the bolsheviks, this is their well-known song, что мы пойдём за vласть советов и как он мейроме in the struggle for it, for which no one particularly understood, but for the sake of all the bourgeois we

will fan the world fire, this was the ideology of the bolsheviks , which you don't understand, why do you have to go to finland, invade lithuania, latvia, estonia, invade ukraine, poland, but it was, well, there the germans tried to stir up the revolution more, they didn't succeed, they went to spain, then to afghanistan , and so on, there is vietnam, korea, well, that is, there were soviets, soviet troops everywhere, plus i am not talking about the countries of africa, the americas, cuba, but here in the struggle for eta, well, it was such an irrational hatred for everything around that is not like you, here we see, you and i did not come to this conclusion, you came to such a conclusion, well, we can conclude that this is a completely irrational war that somehow does not have, well , putin, no matter how irrational he is in his hatred of ukraine, because he's losing more now than he's gaining, but still there a certain imperial, ideological, economic goal, he has it, well, at least he had it before the beginning of this invasion , now there is probably not much left, but putin, with all his inclinations, somewhere in him can be traced some practical, practical

component, his war against ukraine. here, as far as i understood, there is no practical component, because the european partners cut the pipes that were allocated to them for water supply and turned them into rockets, well, obviously they have no goal to develop, as you said not economically. so i, well, we have very little time left, just a few minutes, i would like to ask, in your opinion, what can be the solution to this issue now, today joe biden should be in israel, by the way, and this is another visit tall, burbok is already there and this one, urslav fonden and blinkin now have the president of the usa come , will a solution to this issue be found, or do you think that they will still try to put an end to this horror, which is contained in the hamas organization in the south of israel? period in palestinian-israeli of course, this will not put an end to the conflict in general, but an attempt to put an end to the history of hamas, of course, we are now

watching with you, unlike the papers. conflicts and clashes with the hamasites, now israel will not stop, no international, no partnership, no biden will stop israel from destroying, removing hamas from the leadership of the hamkaz sect, as i said, the biggest question is what will happen next, how will the leadership of the gas sector be settled after removing hamas from power, of course. the price of this, how many more civilians will be killed in the gas, how many hostages who are now being held in gas will die, how many more israelis will die in this armed conflict, but after the horror of october 7, the israeli society inside, it simply will not accept any other answer to the question of what to do with hamas,

except to destroy it, how organization, at least destroy it as a de facto government in the gas sector, forever, this threat, in this form, well, destroy, stop, it will not solve the problem as a whole, from this the state and palestine will not appear on the political map, but it will bring the creation of a palestinian state closer , because for the last 15 years no more negotiations with the palestinian national authority about the first steps towards the creation of a state made any sense, because the palestinian national authority did not control all the territory that theoretically belongs to its jurisdiction, that the palestinian nation was divided, in a certain way this idea of ​​two states for two peoples has already been realized within the palestinian people, the people in gaza got the hamas government and their

islamic state, the people in samaria on the west bank of the river and agdan got mahmoud abbas and some autonomy, at least. after the removal of hamas from the fruit in kaz, certainly. stability in the region it will come close, but again the question of the price of this option is very acute, how long will other arab countries watch the humanitarian catastrophe, which we are all now watching in gaza, then the water pipe to gaza came from that israel, which they, the hamas, wanted to destroy and which has now almost stopped supplying. water, electricity to gas, what will the price be, will another proxy force intervene in the north iran, hizballah, whether iran will intervene

, directly, came from the islamic republic of iran, from the threat that in the event of a ground operation, they will be forced to intervene, and the efforts of the united states, among other things. they are aimed at preventing such a development that could lead to a significant regional conflict, just as international efforts, including the united states, they are aimed at ensuring that, with the help of other arab countries that can act as mediators, the same qatar, where the management is located, the political leadership of hamas, and which previously was also sponsored by hamas in the qazi movement in order to help release israeli hostages who were taken by terrorists, and in a certain way, to bargain for the scale, well, to reduce

the scale of israel's military operation, currently israel is not negotiating with terrorists , but of course, all these diplomatic efforts are as much pluses for israel as minuses and significant efforts that the international community is currently trying to make around the situation, aimed at de-escalation, again the question is whether it is possible to remove hamas from power in the kaza without large-scale hostilities and the establishment of control, thank you very much, mr. vyacheslav, thank you for participating, thank you for your professional, cool comments, and vyacheslav likhachev was with us, historian, member of the expert council of the center for civil liberties. we will now go on a short break, then another guest will join us, a guest will join and we will already look at something under another cat on the same problem, stay with us, the outlook

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repeat at 12:10, we continue, this is a worldview program, my name is vasyl zima, i remind you, the topic of our conversation is the roots of the war in israel and the vision, the end of this war. is this really another harbinger of the third world, or is this a regional conflict that can be extinguished by destroying the main fuse of this explosive, the terrorist organization hamas. anna zharova is with us, co-founder of the non-profit organization israel friends of ukraine. mrs. anna, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, well, it's been 10 days, today, how is the war going on in what can be said now, is there a vision of or at least some options are outlined that this war can be ended in a certain way, with certain actions , how much time it will take, because you know, in ukraine, when after a full-scale invasion there was such a character, to arrest, to whom he

constantly told about two- three weeks, it has even become a meme, although , well, no one knew whether we would survive from kiev, they would leave, well , the russian army is huge, the state is huge, and well, no one wanted to believe in a long , great war, but it happened, the situation is now in israel , and what can be said from that is happening both on the battlefield and in the political, diplomatic, let's say so , arrangements, please, well, first of all, in israel they are not commenting on how long this war will continue, there are several problems that need to be solved, first of all , is to bring back everybody, the people who are now in captivity and, many civilians, they are now talking about numbers of 199 to 250 people, along with the military, so that's the first task, the next task is really to make sure that most of the storm on

the palestinian border we didn't have autonomy, and you can do it in different ways comment analyze what does it have, well, what does it matter, but this is what the government and the army have emphasized, that it is necessary to destroy hamas, we understand, as a civilian, i, as a citizen of israel, that this goal, it is... very difficult, therefore what are we talking about a terrorist organization with a network all over the world, with the support of such countries as russia and iran , we have been shelling in the north for several days now, and there have even been casualties among the military and civilians from the lebanese side, and there have been several shellings even from syria, israel is located, israel is a very small country,

i... will continue to repeat that we, as the kherson region, the entire territory of israel, and therefore, let's say so, react and, the percentage is yes, the danger here is very great, from the point of view of the entire population, it does not matter where you live in israel now, in the center or in the south or in the north, everyone is now under threat, plus our geographical... position, we have no friends in this region, we have, shall we say, a peace treaty, yes with jordan and egypt, and now today , tomorrow the president of america, john biden, is expected to visit, and well, there is a lot of talk everywhere, what is this

means why he is coming, there was a visit before that, the secretary of america , blinken, who was even present in the cabinet, in the military cabinet, yes, where, i don’t know, some possible actions were discussed, and that is why no one is giving, well, let’s say yes, projections, when this is over, we understand that we as a civilian, civil society, yes, we are now... responding to all the evacuation needs, which, which has to be done with, which started in the north, support, elderly , people who don't speak hebrew, there are new returnees who have come here from ukraine, after the war, initially the war between ukraine and russia, there are refugees here, ukrainians , who also do not speak hebrew, and they need, let's say, help, so there are many

questions and tasks, urgent, and they are dealing with this now, and when it will end, no one knows, yesterday the head of israel's general security service, shabak, well it's not his name shabak, it 's the service of israel shabak, ronen bar took responsibility for what happened on october 7, how much, well, it's an important political decision , you know, yesterday i think i wrote a post there about it on facebook, arguments began, and what about the fact that he admitted to someone, the question here is that in any war there are always mistakes, there are no wars where everyone does everything right, as cherchal said, that in war there are always mistakes, and if something goes well , then it's well, that is, you can't plan something in war, if something goes well, it's not because you planned, because it's either a mistake or an accident, so, well, this and that happens, but it is responsibility and the ability to have the courage to take responsibility and correct mistakes at the beginning of the war, and not to say, as in ukraine, some people said that we, excuse me, screwed up the south, well, but no one knows what happened there, let's

figure it out later, but the israelis are already finding out now, the mood of society, what they write in social media networks, maybe what is commented on television, on youtube , what people say, again, israel is a small country, everyone hears everyone there, but should we now find out who is responsible for changing something in the political leadership, well, there are no elections now , but should we wait until the war is over, and then give an answer? and do you trust or distrust the authorities, who were at the helm, in fact, on october 7, please, yes, ronen barak, he admitted, by mistake. not even a mistake, but the fact that shabak did not do what was expected of them to prevent such a tragedy from happening, also a few days ago, our chief commander, the defense of israel, sent a message on this issue, but those people

from whom society expects some what , well, what reactions, yes, apart from populist ones... let's say this, sentences that we will destroy everyone, we will defeat everyone, this is the main narrative that we hear today, and very a lot of criticism, and there are even deputies who come to funerals, now in israel, it is already known that there are more than 1,300 families who lost their relatives and so...' every day in israel there are several funerals, and for these funerals come, let's say, representatives of the authorities, and there are representatives of the coalition today, who are simply chased away , whom they do not want to see, who are not allowed, for example, to the hotels where they are now,

people who were evacuated from the south and who, well from those kibbutzim and settlements that survived this massacre. and we have already started we hear from the authorities, yes, those responsible will be found, but now , let's go, we need to win in this war, and in social networks, when someone, let's say so, from scraps and people who are socially active express their positions, some criticism, to them they come, they say, it's not on time, no, don't do it, we'll figure it out later. but the question is, it's not about a mistake , what you say, yes, in a war, when the war has already started, there can be mistakes and some, i don't know, some failures, yes, and tactical failures, ah, but we are here we are talking about, in hebrew there is such a thing the word almond, about the failure

of the national level, eh, now, ah, this is the feeling in israeli society, a lot of help. each other, but there is no more trust in the authorities, it's just a total, loss of trust and everything that they are telling us now, the minister, yes, the minister of defense of israel, or even the prime minister, all the things that they, shall we say, turn to society, well, there is very little trust and faith in these things, i am here for literally five minutes, but i will have time to ask two questions, then you will answer them, first, you know, it is worth understanding, for example, in my case, my grandmother on my father's side was jewish, but i'm not jewish on my mother's side, so i can't feel completely, and what's more, i don't live in israel, although i've been there, but, i can't feel completely, understand

what do the israelis feel now in relation to the palestinians , well, hamas is a terrorist organization that captured many there with its ideas and zombified people, maybe they didn't want to be zombified like the russians, because i what ukrainians feel about the russians, i when they tell us, you need will reconcile, talk, now we we don't want to hear this, well, at least conscious ukrainians, some wars, at least somehow, they don't want to hear about reconciliation, negotiations, in general, so that there are no russians, go there, repent in the swamps, so that we don't hear you, israel- palestine now after this attack, what is the feeling, what is the understanding of the future, the vision of the future, or is it now not at all, and no one even wants to talk about it, let's finish with hamas, then later, let it somehow calm down, what are the feelings about in relation to those people who are actually now on the other side of the barricades, not a barricade, but battlefields, yes, this is a very difficult question, because it is necessary to understand the historical context, and let's say, the conditions in which the country of israel exists, and regarding

the palestinians themselves, i think that today , no, well, there are voices that what israel is doing now, yes, and the bombing, well, and destroys the infrastructure, and there are losses among the civilian population, and in the world there is already criticism of israel for such a position, but it seems to me that in israel today this policy is supported because they understand that no, they don't ask at what cost, let's be honest, because hamas currently has, as they said, up to 250 hostages, i don't know how to use ukrainian, among them are babies, among them are elderly people, among them are children,

and 12, 13, 14 years old, pregnant women, well, you have to understand, just the scale of the disaster that israel as a country, as a society is currently going through that trauma, because everyone in the family has either a dead person, or an injured person, or someone well, it's there and you just can't call anymore. you just you are afraid to call someone, because you will hear another story of how someone lost someone, and this is a mood that is not today israelis are very well, they are a very empathetic nation, they always help, always, despite, let's say, different views in society between, more right-wing or left-wing, but it's all the same, it's as if the willingness to help and today i have the feeling that empathy is not asked, it

has moved to the background, now, how to heal wounds, how to simply get out of this national trauma with such, with so many dead and wounded and hostages, and now we only think and can think only about ourselves and care only about ourselves, well, for the last time. very briefly, this is the 10th day of the war, israel is already, already fully living in the war, are there any people, territories, any segments of life where there is no war, well, we are here for ourselves at all, it is not about us, we are here it's fun, okay, don't touch it, i know that you can drive through israel in 5 hours by car, yes, i used to drive like that, so everything is very close there, but still, is israel already at war? he is all at war, some are mobilized, others are medics, others are helping there, others are taking care of children somewhere, but he is all. all of israel is at war, all of israel is at war, and yesterday we went to haifa, there to help collect

first-aid kits, already for our military, and there is a lot of military equipment on the roads, and we also have volunteers collecting first-aid kits for the military, because we so we think that this is only the case in ukraine, but i see that, no, it is necessary, you see, we are collecting now, because in israel at the same time more was mobilized 300... 50,000 people, yes, they are somewhere in warehouses, they are, well, from the point of view of building all the logistics and providing for everyone, at the same time, it is simply impossible, so those people who are now, these guys who are currently waiting for entrance of gas, well, of gas for a ground operation, or in the north, where actions with hezbollah have already begun, and where it is needed now, and not in, for example, three days, yes, how will the delivery be, volunteers are doing it, for israel it is also a war , it is unexpected, everything that is happening in

israel now is, let's say, a total s a total surprise, and therefore, all, shall we say, the systems, they are now being reconfigured, but it takes time, and we don't have time, thank you very much, ms. anna, take care, good luck, anna zharova, co-founder of the non-profit organization israel friends of ukraine , from israel, they talked about the israeli war, the roots, the causes and the consequences, well, in any war, someone wins, it always happens, one way or another someone has to win, israel was attacked, this is a very difficult question, and that that we talked for an hour, we did not answer all the questions, even approximately, because in ukraine it is somewhat more unambiguous, here, well, here everywhere it is unambiguous and not unambiguous. but one nation is fighting for its freedom, for the right to exist and live, others want to kill it, that's all, this is the unequivocal nature of war, and the world is coming to a stage where, actually, as the saying goes, don't teach

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two hours in the company of favorite presenters, presenters who have become many. relatives, as well as distinguished guests of the studio. events of the day in two hours. vasyl zima's big broadcast, a project for smart and caring people. espresso in the evening. greetings, i'm olga len. this is a review of the combat days and our last days, you know, are very tense, many events are happening. therefore , let's first look at the combat map actions, and then we will move on to her. discussion, map of military operations for the period of october 12-18 , 2023. avdiivka did not become a bombshell, but airfields of the russian army were also covered. the occupiers are carrying out a large-scale offensive in donetsk region and luhansk region for the second week, while the armed forces of ukraine used two new types of weapons to destroy planes and ships. the occupiers want

to turn avdiyivka into a second bahmud after all. the russians continued to attack avdiivka in order to encircle it. in the north, they managed to break through several hundred meters in the krasnogovka district, in the south occupied the territory to the north of the water and optnoye. also, the rashists had little success near the spartak district of donetsk. currently , the russians are trying to gain a foothold in new positions, but they are not able to do so in all places. for example, in the northern region, the armed forces of ukraine were able to push the rashists back to their initial positions. the enemy focused special attention on the storming of the terekon of the avdiiv coking plant near krasnogohorivka. the occupation of this area would allow the russians to take under fire control the logistics to avdiivka. rashisti came quite close to the hill, and some even died on its slopes. however, the armed forces managed to defend terekon. therefore, the assaults for nine days gave the occupiers quite modest results, especially against the background