a lot was taken into account, not priority and not so urgent expenses, but only the satisfaction of finding votes in the verkhovna rada to vote on the draft law. when we were looking at 100 one proposal today, which is taken into account, these are small handouts that will be voted on, listen, well, if it's a military budget, what, by the way, i can't call this budget, i'm interrupting, but it looks like this conversation actually... for a bit longer than our ter unfortunately allows, actually we have to continue that conversation next time, nina southerner, folk deputy of ukraine, members of the verkhovna rada committee on tax policy and yuliya klymenko, also a people's deputy of ukraine , first deputy head of the verkhovna rada committee on transport and infrastructure were with us, we say goodbye with this, have a peaceful and safe evening, and onward news, anna eva melnyk already has a selection of the most important information for this time, that's right, colleagues, i will start this issue with the details

of what is currently happening in kharkiv region, stay with us. two wounded, the occupiers shelled vovchansk on in kharkiv oblast, the city was covered with artillery, they hit the yard of a house, there was a big fire, a garage, two outbuildings and a car caught fire. informed the state emergency service. in kherson , rescuers have to work under shelling from the very morning, as a result of enemy attacks in the city, several fires broke out in residential buildings at the same time. fortunately, they were extinguished without executions or injuries among the personnel, the dss said. earlier , the city authorities reported shelling of the suburbs of korbelny and dniprovskyi districts in the latter, the occupiers. three

civilians were injured, their houses were also damaged. they are afraid of ukrainian air defense. russian helicopters began to attack from afar, so as not to fly into the zone of damage of our air defense. oleksandr shtopun, the spokesman for the united press center of the defense forces of the tavri district, said this. according to him, over the past week, russia has lost a dozen helicopters and airplanes. therefore, k-52 pilots began to attack. from ever greater distances. the accuracy of the ukrainian defenders of the sky increased the fear of the enemy and forced him to change his tactics. and this has a bad effect on their effectiveness. the united states of america provided military equipment to replace the damaged one. the israeli ministry of defense received a cargo plane with the first batch of armored vehicles from the united states. tzahal will use it during the fight against terrorists in the gaza strip. tell me about it. in

the press service of the israel defense forces. there will be more attacks. the head of the ukrainian ministry of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba, announced that the united states of america will supply us with missiles on a permanent basis and in a larger quantity according to the country's chief diplomat, the presence of the atakams in ukraine is the result of a direct agreement between presidents zelsky and biden. kleba also expressed hope that in the future the usa will hand over missiles to us. with a range of 300 km. in ukraine , 4,000 access points to administrative services were created. maryna bobranitska, head of the department of administrative services of the ministry of digital affairs, told about this. these are more than 1,000 checkpoints, 2,000 remote workplaces and 30 mobile centers. village elders can also provide services. bobranitska added, that now 80% of communities will provide. centers for the provision

of administrative services, and the priority is the reconstruction of damaged checkpoints. we have statistics of damaged, destroyed, those damaged that are usable, and those damaged that are not usable, such, if in general there are more of these, we are trying to rebuild, communities in the end themselves, if they can use their resource locally budget also are being rebuilt, when we launch there, we automate some services, we launch the possibility of already working without a human factors, it simply allows snap employees not to work there overtime, not to work in the evening at night on weekends and helps them to better provide service to people who came physically in serbia canceled the screening of the movie 20 days in mariupol due to alleged anti-russian propaganda in se... radical

parties stated that the promotion of the position highlighted in the film contradicts the official policy of the republic of serbia, because the country takes a neutral position, i quote. since the beginning of the russian special operation in ukraine. the director of the film mystislav chernov called this news regret and emphasized: the goal of the film is to do everything so that the world sees and remembers the tragedies of people who lost their families, their city and their lives during the siege of mariupol. these are the cases for the moment. the news team is monitoring what is happening in ukraine and the world. we will talk about the most important in the end. in the news broadcast at 18 o'clock, stay with us , the child caught the virus, mother vera has faith in

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wet autumn and in the frosty winter and in an unpredictable spring. you will always be warm, comfortable and dry. universal design, basic black color and good price. only 799 hryvnias. call greetings, with us today is peter pomerantsev, a writer and journalist, we talked with him a year ago about how to oppose russian propaganda, today we will continue the conversation and talk about how to do it now, because the situation has fundamentally changed in a year, and how has it changed in a year, please, peter, tell me what is happening now. let's not generalize, let's go let's talk about key countries, i live and work in america, and at johns hopkins university in washington, and now i have been helping various colleagues, ukrainian activists and

others, conducting a new investigation about what americans think about the war, about ukraine, about the future, and so on further, and well, the main thing is that it is necessary to say that it has changed, this, this , this - attention to this topic, this attention to the topic, and wars, it has greatly decreased, but among people in the fourth... in the fifth place , in those topics that concern them, this is not bad, the fourth or fifth place is the same place, but it is far, if he was in the first place in all the news, it is no longer there, he does not appear much, and this is one of the stories that people very quickly switch to what is further from it, that when we, when my colleagues did focus groups and so on, many people simply asked, and there is still a war, and so on, because the usual attention was very much lost. people, yes, of course, political circles discuss very, very much, and there are many different

movements, the most dangerous development is that half - to vote, well, people who can, possibly vote for republicans, they want to end aid to ukraine, and they are taking more and more russian positions, this is not a huge number of the population, i don’t know, 25% of the population, yes, still 75% support it, but this part... and the voters and those members of the republican the parties that they choose, they have a very strong influence on the entire republican party, and they are trying to seize power there, their leader trump, he will probably be the candidate of the republicans in the election, which means that we have such a strange situation, where 25% of the population can to decide vopros po ukraine, despite the fact that 75% still support it, it means, of course, very... very dangerous period and of course, russia is very much waiting for trump's victory in november. this

dangerous period, what is it connected with? is this an internal situation, or is it something that ukraine, as such, could swim towards? this is about america, this is about america and the future america, and this is a part of society that does not want america to leave nato, for america to leave europe, and for america to leave the world in principle, this tradition has always been in america, america barely entered the second world war with a huge. only after japan's attack on america, this is always a long, long part of the american tradition, generally speaking about ukraine and russia, well, for my part, for example, i see, well, there, and apparently in ukraine it is like that, you know, very they actively react, it’s when musk expresses something, his posts are endless there, then you have to give a part of ukraine, then something else, or some articles appear in various, even very such, well, respectable ones... where they also begin to think about how freeze the conflict that what

to give it, it's generally kind of mainstream, how it's perceived not from our bubble , but how it's perceived, well, if you look, well, against the background, well, simply, here's how you can look, as a person who lives in the united states, how it all looks, how it really is, well, so bright, something, well, that i don't remember an expert article at all. these are expert articles for other experts, and this is very important in the washington party, it is very, very important, there is a very heated discussion on how to continue the war and how to further support ukraine, in society this at all, nobody reads it, nobody knows about it, people don’t read it, well, the mask , the mask reads, well, the mask is the second phenomenon, no, there are very few people on twitter, twitter basically ended as an important project, it was always only a project for journalists and others and activists, he bought twitter, he wrote absolutely not... relevant as a platform, but not very relevant as a platform, if before he had played a big role. musko knows how a businessman, very

successful, the richest man in the country, in america, the cult of business, yes, in a good way bad side, and of course, musk has, there is a colossus, but i wouldn't say that he plays any particularly important decisive role in public debates, he simply represents such a point of view in america, where you... be always against everything, and this is a very fashionable position takayam, it is widely represented by other people, except for mask , but i would not overreact to the words of even a billionaire, to the extent that it is, well , some kind of internal, when these articles come out, to the extent that these articles some natural process well, this is the opinion of journalists, or there are some certain ones, or we can talk about some certain, well, russian influence here, that is, where, how

to distinguish, or whether it is necessary to distinguish at all, it is not very important to understand, musk we now know, there was a direct connection with the kremlin all the time, and he repeats the theses of the kremlin by and large, we now know about it, now new biographies are being told about him, he is just on the phone with the kremlin, he has his business interests connected with russia, he very much wants... run related programs with space, space programs with russia, and apparently it is not very easy to manipulate, like many such noble and rich people. are not very smart in politics, they are very easily outwitted , and of course, this has a huge influence, but whether he plays any decisive role, i don't know, well, as i say, he represents such a block of opinion, which is always against the norm, yes , if the norm is against ukraine, he will be for ukraine, if the norm is for ukraine, he will be against ukraine, well, that's how he plays, that's how he plays many people play such a role, but again, everything

is very clear in sociology, yes, different studies are repeated. 75% of people support ukraine for america to play an active role in europe, for america to be in nato, they want america to be able to calm the chaos, extreme support in america is 4%, there is no support at all, and that's all clearly, yes , the problem, i would say completely in another, the problem is that the main message that the american leadership gives was always in the key phrase, as long as... we we will support ukraine as long as it takes, this was biden's main phrase, americans hate this phrase, ukrainians too, yes, yes, americans love a clear mission, plan, goal, think about american historical successes, and their favorite phrase is mission accomplish , the mission is complete, and when something is like chewing gum

, it is unclear where and what and where, these americans are scumbags, so let's not sweat too much about the mask and so on, let's think about how we and the vast majority in american society they support ukraine, what is the best way to communicate with them? they do not like this phrase, and i also like the inaccuracy, the idea that there is no plan, yes, they are ready to wait, not that there should be victory tomorrow, but they do not want to know how we are, where we are going and how we are, well i would generally like to hear the word victory, we do not support it. to something incomprehensible, but the word victory does not sound, they do not believe in our victory, what is the matter? i don't know, i think that this is very instinctive, very much cautious people who lead america, they are not, they are not visionaries, they are always a pawn ahead, putin is a pawn, not a pawn ahead, well , in principle, their ideas are probably that the allies

have more money than russia and in the end, russia will lose, probably, they have some kind of vision, but they don't like it. especially to think about big goals and so on, that's their instincts, they're like that, i understand , it doesn't even work on american society , that kind of people like cheerful goals, big actions and heroism, and that's it, that's it, that the generation of politicians, biden is like that, and the people around him are a little like that, they love, they want to be careful, they are careful , well, look, for maybe even half a year, even a year, it could be said that russian propaganda, well, it is, in principle, well somehow it did not spread like that in the west, in the sense that the russian propagandists were not perceived absolutely clearly, but now ukraine is already doing a lot of things, right, for example, the americans are afraid of what

musk said, yes, if there is an attack on the black sea fleet, there will be a nuclear war, etc the principle, ingeniously shown, here we hacked the fleet with our ingenious drones and nothing, and something changes. the ukrainians are already doing everything right, it seems to me, in the sense that they are conducting military operations, operations within russia, which all the time show america that they should not be afraid of them, yes, this is a two-way operation, yes, or three-way operation, he says to his society, hold on, we have a plan, yes, we have a plan for an asymmetric war against this enemy. it is very inspiring, it is very important, and it affects russia, which is even starting to come to the understanding that they have not calculated everything, yes , and this of course has a great influence on the west, to me there are more such operations, and i would be very interested to see if there were any cyber operations against russia ukrainians, if i don't know, cut down a couple of factories where rockets are made, what kind of reaction will

russia have, because it's clear, this is the next step of this request to the sky somewhere, well, it's clear that this is the next step? big, well, big, and such a moment in this war, in this plans, this is a very new war, yes, drones are one news in this war, and the cyber aspect is the future of wars, everyone is definitely afraid to start, it can start, lately i see a lot of articles, various publications, british, german, american , where endlessly the same picture that you... it was written in the title illustration must be some cemetery in ukraine, some wounded fighters, and that's all, well, i, you know, i have such a mixed feeling, i understand that it is possible that he showed empathy, but do such articles help ukraine at all? oh, they help, they don’t help, sympathy is very important, very important, again, i rely on sociology, but i don’t want

to tell such anecdotal things, because really now there are many interesting studies, very important, americans are very motivated by stories about children, about what they steal children are very motivated, even trumpists say, no, this must be stopped, it’s all about genocide, and the main thing about american society is material values, yes, they don’t really understand why this is important for the international there are theories of law and all these phrases about international legal society, all of this is completely incomprehensible to ordinary people, but what protects children is very important, it is very, very, very important, because on the one hand it is very important, it is about values , it's about protecting children, victims, and so on, it's incredibly important. on the other hand, of course, especially the americans, it is very important for them, well, support for ukraine correlates with belief in the ukrainian victory, and of course, it is very important

to talk about the victory, too, yes, what is needed some kind of balance, yes, it's very important, it's very important to have the concept of victory, ukraine, ukraine has a lot of victories, not only in the military sphere, for example, in the crimea with the black sea fleet, but in the sphere of infrastructure and so on, every day there is some... victory, but it is not always fully told, that is, do you think that the power, the globalism, they are now more like faltering, they are showing ukraine more as a victim, or are they still showing her as a winner, listen, well, journalists are going for something new, yes, when there were victories for kyiv, when there was the liberation of kharkiv and kherson regions, of course they did not write about this, but now they are writing about something else, that's how. that is, you want to say there will be victories, there will be writing, no, well, then such a mess begins , yes, and it is possible and possible to very strongly overemphasize some thing that is less important than the other, it is not, we

hear it all the time, and history studies of the media, how the media constantly reinterprets the topic, and this topic becomes dominant when it does not reflect reality, that this is a very old problem of the media, and it does not begin with this war, and it’s interesting, look, russian propaganda is a lot: it talks a lot about how western equipment is on fire, another leopard or bradley or something like that, it’s important for them to tell their story to the population, because the population is really afraid, but now it was the latest study by levvada, where the first fear is the shelling of russia, the second fear is the supply of western equipment to ukraine, only the third is the fear of a counteroffensive by ukraine, i.e. the three main fears of the russian population, there more than 60% are afraid of all this, but interesting this was in september, this study of levvada was at the end of september, and what about all these news about the fact that foreign

equipment that was given to ukraine is burning somewhere, that it is broken, that it was attacked again by the russians, how do western societies perceive all this news, and in general, well, do they perceive it, or are they interested in it? technology, look, it’s interesting for two reasons, there is just a part of society who is very interested in it, yes, those who watch youtube channels about tanks, yes, those who are bored by the apes, where they find out about me i know the drone attack, there are just people who love it very much, of course, people really want it, they still really sympathize with ukraine, they really want to feel that they are part of the victory, too, yes, but it seems to me, you just know that news must be new so that people follow them, but it is not, well the news is to be new.

что еще есть, it seems to me that some tank burned down, well, it burned down, the first time is interesting, the second, the third, yes, the third time is unfortunately not interesting, yes, it is necessary to show new forms of victory, this is me i know it's difficult, it's not easy, well, we live in a world in this direction, well, how do you generally evaluate all this influx of articles about the counteroffensive and how much , again, how much does it affect the support of ukraine, all these conversations, that the counteroffensive is like this, not like this, it went like this anyway, huh, people, i think, people are just losing interest. when, when an expert starts such a technical analysis of targets, people don't follow the war like that, they see what is happening, they watch, yes, if we talk about about publicly, that is, from event to event,

basically, well, yes, bright, they focused on this, i repeat, the focus group in america, again, america is a unique country, they ask us, and the war is still going on, ugh, well, i ’m not saying that this is a huge point врения, yes, but it is, yes, but to such a degree that ukraine is not there, well, that is almost, often it is simply not on the news, then on this basis, and conversations, again, which are constantly some experts, come out that it is necessary to agree on something with russia, to what extent are these conversations in general... also, well, there are some mainstream, in general, someone believes that it is possible to agree on something with russia , in general, no one thinks about it at all, especially, yes, if they are talking about such an elite conversation, yes, there is a large group of people who lobby for such a position, they are stronger in europe than in america, and trump talks about it, yes, he says that he will agree with everyone in 5 seconds, because he is a dialmaker, he will agree with everyone and everyone will be happy, but here he is...

talking about such a position, but i think that they are among the people who make politics they understand that they are not negotiating with anyone, but i think that this illusion has long passed and, you know, this conversation continues almost, that it is like that, i don’t know how it is the rest of the echoes of old conversations, but now i think that there is everything they understand that they are not negotiating with anyone, but they also do not understand what to do, or at least they do not tell us what they will do, yes, what, yes, he is the same in this, in this inaccuracy, well, this is very it's dangerous, you know, i have such a thing, well , again, again, if trump comes to power, you throw everything out, ugh, and god knows what it will be, well, i have the impression that when the focus is lost a little, the understanding of what to do next is lost, there is such a familiar reaction, everyone starts talking about corruption in ukraine, you know, it's just a topic to which you can always return

, if you don't know what to say, this is the impression and it seems to me that right now is such a moment, and how widespread these conversations are in general, how much they really hurt the support of ukraine, how toxic they are, how much the society of western countries pays attention to them , extremely important, well the studies that i read show that even those who support ukraine, when you ask them, why would you lose, well why would if there is corruption and the money will be used for corrupt purposes and it will be stolen , you understand, they give their money, taxpayers' money очень очень цел прочевное ето очень входная цел , the majority of 75% believe that this is a very important goal,

but if they see it. how the ukrainian elite steals this money for themselves and it does not go to the people, then they will certainly be on it to react negatively, and of course, russian propaganda, but not only russian propaganda, american anti-ukrainian propaganda will put as much pressure on this, on this topic as possible, this is almost the most dangerous topic for ukraine, and because of this it is necessary to approach it very seriously, and what would you say here, because i see a repetition of such a comeback now. you know, in 16-17, when they also started talking about corruption in ukraine in order to normalize russia in general, but now the same story, because to a certain extent, these conversations, well, they wear an artificial fight, well, how? well, here i am, well, yes, yes, there are many historians here, both russian sources and american sources, we are talking in great detail, yes, it is possible, well, let's start with metaphors that we

hear all the time, but the focus is. to ukraine, a blank check, an open check, as much as you want, yes, start with these metaphors, there are no open checks, yes , every penny is tracked, everything is very, very high, and a high-quality system, how we track money, this is the first, yes, well little things to start with, yeah it is necessary to fight at the level of language. but it is possible to talk about how money is spent on american taxpayers, this is an important topic, and who should do it , the american government should do it, the ukrainian government should do it, everything, everything, everything, for their own approach, but also one should not fall too far into the conversation about money, yes, when it comes to supporting the security of the world, when it comes to