[000:00:00;00] of the moscow patriarchate, hundreds of their priests and thousands , if not tens of thousands of their laymen turn to them with these requests and even entreaties, if they do not want to break with the moscow patriarchate, then they thereby drive the situation deeper, thereby intensifying the confrontation with society and intensify the confrontation with the state, well, in general, in your opinion, how should we move along the evolutionary path, are such strict prohibitions, measures in the form of a ban or the cessation of activity necessary? ukraine is proud of the level, its level of religious freedom, which was achieved during these 30 years, people who are driven from russia, belarus, central asia, and many other countries for their religious beliefs find their refuge in ukraine, we have never

had anyone for...' and not ban any orthodox church, we ban the connection, or rather, cut off the connection with the moscow patriarchate, i have repeatedly asked hierarchs of different levels and different degrees, to say, what makes this connection with the moscow patriarchate so valuable to you, what, what is valuable to you connection with a figure who, for 500 days, for 600 days of russian...' aggression against ukraine , did not find a single word of sympathy for the parents and relatives of more than 500 children who were killed by the russian aggressors, who speaks directly, who directly says that go kill and for all your sins will be washed away, why is this relationship valuable to you? i have never received an answer to this question, but

the priests who serve in the province, and even those who serve in kyiv, the lay people, yes, who go to this church, have an answer to this question, and they have repeatedly turned to their holy superiors and said : "we are not required to renounce the symbol of the orthodox faith, we are not required to renounce the truths of the seven cathedrals of the undivided church, what we are talking about, what we are fighting for, what we will preserve. .." connection with murderers, and how then to find this balance between religious freedom, of which ukraine is so proud, and national security, well, because before our conversation with you, we heard the opinions of parishioners, believers of the moscow patriarchate, who they are not going to give up on moscow at all the one that oversees the church, well, because they

supposedly separate the state and the church. the balance is very clear, yes, the balance is clear, that, you can be er, parishioners, er, of any orthodox church, but this church should not have subordination to the moscow patriarchate, which, according to already more than a thousand theologians, professors of the universities that signed the appeal on the theoretical nature of the doctrine regarding the russian world, which essentially ceased to be a religious center, and its leader ceased to be a religious figure, he in essence, he is the head, yes, he is the head of one of the not the most influential ministries or agencies or departments of the russian federation, the russian government. and

we will put an end to that. so my colleagues also tell me that we definitely need your comments, and comment what you think about the draft law that was passed today in the verkhovna rada, in the first reading, i note, there will be a second reading, maybe there will be many amendments, but pose, such social resonance is great, it is important for us to hear about this issue your opinion see you, as always, on svoboda live and tomorrow, stay tuned. it was me, before, bleeding gums , inflammation of the gums, and the solution was so simple, gum problems, lacal active, lacal active actively overcomes bleeding gums, protects against periodontitis and noticeably tightens the gums. lacal active is an action that you feel immediately. new lakalut active + even more active

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serhiy rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this. people who have information and shape public opinion. people who defend ukraine and create the future right now. the main and interesting thing in the program. verdict by serhiy rudenko, from monday to friday at 8:00 p.m., repeat at 12:10 p.m., dear friends, welcome to the espresso tv channel, my name is lesia vakulyuk and today our guest will be alexander kwasniewski, polish politician, public activist and president of poland in 1995-2005. we are talking with mr. oleksandr literally the next day after poland voted , this year there was a record turnout in those elections, and so far

the official results of the elections have not been announced, but there are exit poll results, and we will actually rely on them in to our conversation with mr. alexander, mrs. alexander, mr. alexander, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, i sincerely congratulate you. very likely and confirm the results of the exit poll, i am very satisfied, very satisfied, because after eight years, there is a chance, that there will be a change of power in poland and the period of governing the country with law and justice will end. hope for poland. therefore, i am very

satisfied since yesterday. the american philosopher fukuyama wrote that there is finally good news from europe. but such politicians opposed to european integration won, as fitz in slovakia, orbán once again won in hungary, there are also many anti-european, or anti-union, forces in western europe that are gaining strength. poland has come against a certain wave here, a trend, i can see even across

the ocean, because the new government in poland means that poland is returning as one of the main players of the eu, and that we will not remain on the margins, as in the time of kaczyński, we will not continue to be angry at the european union, make claims, but we will jointly create european programs and projects. european, i think that europe is happy about this, and washington is happy, but kyiv should also be happy , because that european cooperation, in particular on the topic of ukraine, is important here as well, and here poland is needed not as a country that creates problems, but as a country which popularizes various good ideas in

euro towards russia due to the fact that we spent years together in the soviet union. the invasion slightly turned the heads of ukrainians in the direction of poland , and now, of course, they are starting to study polish surnames. however , they don't understand much about polish politics, so they are asking a lot of questions, what's next? ukrainians are trying to understand what peace is, what is a civil coalition, the third way,

the left, the conference, whether you can, that they can create a government in the future in the parliament within a month, later a new one government, because now i am entering the role of the president, who has responsibilities, so i think that a new government will be formed at the beginning of december at the latest. when it comes to the civil coalition, it is a party of a centrist character and with various leanings towards the middle, somewhere a little more conservative , somewhat more left-wing, but mainly the people's. i am convinced that from the point of view of ukraine, it will be very good

, because it will be practical . it will be possible to pragmatically solve the problem both in grain issues and in other issues that arise, for an accurate description, because on the one hand, the third way includes

the oldest polish party, ukrainian affairs, but with the message that ukraine must be supported, for our common safety depends upon the termination of this war, whether we can, without it, not succeed in creating a majority. i was the first representative of social democracy in poland, already a democratic one, i must say that this result is somewhat lower than my expectations i thought it would. somewhere 10-12%, okazuje się, że to jest koło 9% , to jest mniej, but it turned out to be about nine, it is less, but the participation of the left will be very important, and here in ukrainian affairs, i believe, there is clarity, it is a very pro-ukrainian party that wants

the continuation of both political and humanitarian aid for ukraine, which is simple. in my opinion, if i were to look at the change of power in poland today from the perspective of kyiv, i might not have memorized the names of politicians . because it will come in time, instead i would i wanted that dialogue to be started, since the affairs of ukraine will decide the future of ukraine itself, as well as poland and europe, i think that would be good. if various ukrainian experts and advisers at different levels, even during the creation of the government, had found good contact with their colleagues in warsaw. poland can fight for many important

things for ukraine in the european union. because it will become an important country there again. because of the pre-election struggle, because it turned out that the confederation was a party that used very anti-ukrainian arguments, they also switched to rhetoric that is unpleasant for ukraine. i think they got something out of it, but the confederacy lost in the end, the biggest defeat of that election. they even counted on the fact that they would have enough seats in the parliament to prevent either the currently ruling peace or the democratic opposition from becoming a majority, but they did not succeed, they will have 12-14 deputies, which is not enough. in the meantime, i believe that the new government will also understand the problems

of ukraine well, will be ready for dialogue and the same, because problems and tension will arise in different places, will be able to reduce and eliminate that tension. this means that supporters of various political forces were suddenly mobilized and eventually went to vote. election campaign , today it is not united, and that high

turnout, it is the highest in the history of democratic poland, it is indeed a record, but it is primarily the result of the emotions that were connected with those elections. emotions are the result of polarization, poles are very divided, poles in my opinion have not been so divided for a long time, maybe even in the last 100 years they have never been so divided as it is now, therefore one of the tasks of the new government, the new prime minister will be to find a way to polish-polish dialogue, to

polish-polish unification. it is the case that everything will be settled with one speech or one decision, there is no such possibility, it will be a multi-year process. but donald tusk, who will surely become the prime minister, already spoke in his election speeches about the need for that polish-polish union. i say it won't happen anymore it won't happen quickly, but if we are more civil to each other for a few years, we will smile at each other more. then everything will work out, because now, when you ask whether the poles are united or divided, the answer is clear, they are divided as never before in

history. it's a pity, of course, but i hope that you will become poorer. as a result of the fierce election campaign , there has been much less news about the war in ukraine in the information space of poland. journalist, i am interested in the fact that the polish media also talk about russian aggression, how much time do polish politicians have to form a new government to elect a new prime minister.

according to the constitution, the president now has 30 days before convening the first meeting of the newly elected seimas. 30 days means no later than november 14 . and from that moment the president again takes the initiative, because he has to announce the person who will be the prime minister, the president, i don't know, because he has two options, one is to admit that his the beloved peace party, with which he himself comes, won the elections and entrusted peace

with the creation of a government appointed by the president. that is, that government will have to wait two weeks and then resign, and then on december 1 the diet has the right to appoint a government and then, of course, as i i understand, the parliamentarian will appoint the majority. consultations with political parties, after a week or two of such consultations he can say that he sees that the majority is on the side of those parties, and therefore he asks them who they

want to see as prime minister, they say that. i don't know, but december 1 at the latest that is, after a month and a half, among the most important topics of the company, they talked about it, some said that they were still helping ukraine, others that it should be continued and supported, so the ukrainian topic has not disappeared in this company, at the same time i want to tell you one thing, because it affects the whole world and ukrainians must be ready for it and do a lot to prevent it from happening, something is starting in the world, something called a volume from ukraine, and there are too many of those news, which are usually bad, this is such a psychological trait

of people, it is they who push it away, no, already enough, that's one thing, soon it will be two years, how is that war going on, and then it's hard to say when it can end, how it can end, because it's an open topic, and on the other hand, we have a new conflict, it's what's happening on the middle east, it also takes away part of the attention of the world and viewers and readers, directs them... i think that president zelenskyi is doing great things in this direction, mainly in diplomatic activities, presence, ukraine cannot, cannot give up, and you have to be active to and war have not turned into something that has always been, that can continue forever, and that many people in the world accept as a permanent

thing and stop. i say people's fatigue will progress, they will reject this information, new information will come from the middle east, the world in general is at a bad moment in its history, and it is good that there is good news from warsaw against this background, because frankly, as we said, if kaczynski had rule for four years, then i would be saddened and admit that this is really going in a very bad direction. warsaw also gives hope to europe, warsaw gives hope to the world, during the wave of nationalism, populism of the elections , such statements were made by some polish politicians that ukrainian women who ended up in poland fleeing the war will no longer receive any help, and it is clear that those ukrainian women they began to ask if this would really happen, they also asked me what i thought about it

, i answered them that i did not know, that everything depends on the outcome of the elections, there is hope that there will be help, because the idea of ​​taking away all that money and social support , that was actually the slogan the party that received 6% of the vote, 6%. with children who are on the territory of poland must receive appropriate assistance. i am convinced that the new government will not make changes in this matter that would not benefit those people. we are talking about specific people, about their needs, which cannot be left without help. here i am calm that these statements regarding the end of aid to ukraine, the termination of funding, will not be implemented. it was in the election campaign, but in my opinion, the parties that won will do

as it should be, so help will be provided. you mentioned that there is fatigue from ukraine, and ukrainians themselves are tired of this war, and ukrainians too, of course, i am not talking about those ukrainians who find out. from ukraine, when it turns away, how will we, ukrainians, our soldiers be able to win that war? it will not be possible to win this war, that is why it is so important that the world does not turn away, i distinguish between these issues,

the turning away of the world, this will be the solution, if god forbid this happens. because even after great family tragedies that people experience, someone somehow returns to normal, and the first step is to reject that bad news , but we will not deal with psychology here, but going back to politics, i will say yes, yes to politics, holidays are not possible, the key. and in the usa, the campaign begins before the elections that will be held in november next year, i.e. 2024, there, of course, different postulates can be heard, fortunately, president biden has a firm position, and he allocates help to ukraine as it should and very widely. but we don't know if he will win the election. we also do not

know how much is in the election campaign a topic will appear from... without the help of the world, ukraine cannot win this war, because it is fighting a large country,