[000:00:00;00] conversations that the counteroffensive is like this, not like that, it’s like that, it’s gone anyway, uh, people, i think that people just lose interest when, when an expert starts such a technical analysis of targets, people don’t follow the war that much, they see what’s happening , they look, yes, if we talk about about publicly, in the event before the event, in fact, well, yes, yes, something bright happened, they focused on it, i repeat, the focus group in america, again america is a unique country, they ask us, and the war is still going on, well, well, i'm not saying that it's huge. point of view, yes, but it is, yes, but to such an extent that there is almost no ukraine, well, not that almost, but often it is simply not in the news, then on this basis, and the conversations, again, which some experts constantly come up with, that it is necessary to agree on something from russia, as far as these conversations in general are also, well, they are some kind of mainstream, in general, someone believes that it is possible to agree on something with russia, if he talks about public opinion, no one at all thinks about it, especially if he talks about such

an elite. conversation, yes, there is a large group of people who lobby for such a position, they stronger in europe than in america, and trump talks about it, yes, he says that he will agree with everyone in 5 seconds, because he is a dealmaker, he will agree with everyone and everyone will be happy, but here he is talking about such a position , but i think that among the people who make politics, they understand that they are not negotiating with anyone, yes, i think that this illusion has long passed and... you know, this conversation continues, almost like that in like that, i don't know how the rest of the echoes of old conversations, but now i think that's all they understand that they are not negotiating with anyone, but they also do not understand what to do, or at least, they do not tell us what they will do, yes, what, yes, he is like that, in this, well, in this inaccuracy, well, this it's very dangerous , you know, i have one, well, again, again, if trump comes to power, it's all thrown out,

and god knows what will happen. well, i have the impression that when the focus is lost a little, the understanding of what to do next is lost, there is such a familiar reaction, everyone starts talking about corruption in ukraine, this just you know, as a subject that you can always come back to if you don't know what to say , that's the impression i have, and i think that this is the moment, and how widespread these conversations are in general, how they really hit on the support of ukraine, how toxic they are, how much the society of western countries pays attention to them, it is extremely important , well, the studies that i read show that even those who support ukraine, when you ask them, why would you lose them, well, why you would lose or stop support ukraine?

they answer that the first point, if ukraine itself commits crimes, the second point - if there is corruption and money will be used for corrupt purposes and it will be stolen, you understand that they are giving their money, and taxpayers' money, for a very important the goal, we completely understand that this is a very important goal, the majority, even 75% believe that it is very important, to support ukraine, but if they see how the ukrainian elite steals this money for themselves, it does not go well with the people, then, of course, they will react negatively to it, and of course, russian propaganda, but not only... this is almost the most dangerous topic for ukraine, and because of this , it must be approached very seriously. well, what would you say here, because i now see a repetition of a certain comeback, you know, in 16-17, when they also started talking

about corruption in ukraine, in order to normalize russia in general, but now it’s the same . because to a certain extent these conversations, well, they are of an artificial nature, well, how are we going to fight this, well, how? well here i am, well yes, yes there are many historians here, and russian sources, american sources, if we talk in detail, yes, it is possible, well , let’s start with metaphors that we hear all the time, in focus groups, yes, why do we write u blank check, why do we write ukraine a blank check, an open check, as much as you want, yes, start with the metaphor of these, there are open checks, yes, every penny is tracked, everything is very, very high and high-quality system, how we track money, this is the first, yes, well such small things, where do you need to start, yes, you need to to fight at the level of language, it is necessary to talk about how money is spent on american taxpayers, this is an important topic, and who should do it, it should be done by the american government, it should be done by the ukrainian

government. everything, everything, each audience has its own approach, but you also need not to fall too far into the conversation about money, yes, when it comes to... support for the security of the world, when it comes to what it is necessary to make tyrants who ask to take away the freedom of other countries, then, well, to defeat them and in order to achieve stability, which can be after victory, and this is a very good investment, yes, in order of, in order of stability, it also says that no matter how much it is, it is impossible to count dollars here and there, yes, that is stability, which it will be after how we are, we will be able to stop russia, and it brings enormous benefits for everyone, as far as it affects, it does not affect

at all what, for example, this narrative that russia is so great and it, it will always be great, and ukraine will not it is so big, well , it has resources, we are running out of resources we constantly, constantly read, hear, how much is this in general, such a thing, which is perceived by, well , some societies of western countries, politicians of western countries, how toxic is this question, insanely, insanely toxic, there is still an idea that russia is huge, there is the illusion that it is very rich, there is knowledge that it has nuclear weapons, that it has rich resources, and this is the idea that it is... a giant must never be defeated by a giant, it plays a huge role, and it is very necessary

disassemble the shelves to see the void of this king, we didn’t do it, that is, we didn’t manage to deconstruct this myth, not to the end , of course, some sobriety, but it goes very deep, it goes for centuries, and you won’t understand something here in an hour, but it plays a very important role, i think, and i understand that nuclear weapons in themselves, but the issue of nuclear weapons remains also toxic , which in principle affects decision-making very strongly, officially, yes, according to any doctrine, you are different, you other relations with a nuclear state, than a nuclear state, this is part of the doctrine of any country, well, you know, a big part of my work in general is that i watch literally hours of russian tv shows, in russian. vision in order to understand what they are doing to their population, and the last, and the last, well, the biggest such trend that was, literally, it started last week, but it is still going on now, they are trying

for their own, well, it is in them cyclically, they have approached it several times, but the latest very strong approach is happening right now, they are trying to normalize nuclear war for of the russian population, they talk about the fact that a nuclear war can be won, that a nuclear war can be limited, that russia can , well, at least respond and we will not all die, but only some part will die, and maybe you know this story, when simonyan, margarta simenyan said that we can detonate a bomb over russia there, and after that everything will turn off and we can do something like that, but why over russia, turn off the satellites, turn off all the satellites, why, that's another question. the question is that they are now trying to do some nuclear a test that would be very big and would terrify everyone, and since they can do this test only on the territory of russia , it is necessary to normalize it for russian

citizens, and a strange thing came out, because after several days of this propaganda, very active, a number of, well such petty politicians, semi-oppositional, even there one deputy of the state duma from the communists, and one from united russia, began to tell that something must be done with these propagandists who talk about this, because it is impossible, well, they have to face these conversations about nuclear weapons, uh, at the valdai forum, putin was forced to come out himself and say that he does not support the use of nuclear weapons, now, changes in russia's nuclear doctrine, it's not him, it's not him, it's all kind of propaganda, and uh- er, that is, russian, it is clear that the russians, they, they are afraid of the perception by the russian population, or rather, the non-perception by the russian population, of these ideas about nuclear war, about some limited nuclear strikes, about which they talk endlessly, about tactical nuclear

strikes, about which they talk endlessly, and on against the background of this, i'm just wondering how effective it might be in such a case for them to respond publicly, no... but they heard that any attempts to use nuclear weapons in any case, they will receive exactly such a nuclear strike , because the population of russia really struggles with this. i don't know, it seems to me that you know more about this than i do, i have seen different studies in russia, where , for sure, people are very afraid of nuclear weapons, that theoretically, if we can convince them that their power leads to this apocalypse, it needs to be created, like a movement, an anti-nuclear movement in russia, maybe i don’t know, but there is something in it, well, i’m such a strange society, you know, we often...

apply the logic of democracy, yes, to russia , and everything is different there, yes, it seems to me, sometimes, that ukraine is like that, there is a historical understanding of russia, but ukrainian society has developed in such a different way over the last 30 years that i often, when i talk with ukrainian political technologists, i hear them applying democratic logic to russia, yes, well, according to some logic of ours, yes, democratic, for sure, yes, your power leads to horror, but that’s all... how it will work there with royally hidden mirrors, i don’t know, what will work there, we cannot expect, it seems to me that we cannot expect a coup there, well, we have the same situation as with the support of the germans, hitler, hitler, nazism, it seems, it seems, it seems, it seems, even in such a situation that on that we have to press in order to at least prevent any really

from happening. what is the purpose of watching? what is the purpose of this? well, our goal is to drive them out of our territory and defeat them in this way, well, look, we have simple goals , yes, there, well, to knock down the mobilization, yes, there may be, i don’t know , stockpiles in, i don’t know, in the productions there , they are important for the production of weapons, well , probably from this it is necessary to start with such things, well, what we really do not understand, well, what does any propaganda during the war start with, yes, how to put problems in their military production and the military machine, well, the focus is always on this, yes, how to do , for the soldiers to desert, and so on , but this is the first, yes, the most simple and the most competent, and i think that everyone is already

doing it, with different levels of success. if we are talking about larger social changes, military actions must always be combined here, well, communication , political, and so on, it is necessary in one thing, yes, they must work together during the war, and even when i don’t know, ukrainian drones have reached moscow, yes, to what extent were we able to disseminate this information everywhere and thus return it, so that the kremlin's power looked weak, yes, as much as possible... we used the moment of the prigorzhensky uprising , yes, we used it a little, well, as much as possible, i don't know, to such an extent that we were able to really turn the informational part of this action to ours, but to our to our victory, yes, i don't know, just yes, i don't deal with it , well, this is the next question, yes, to such a degree , physical actions can be supported by informational ones, yes, because they need to

be maximized, but then the most important thing is after all, our understanding, relations, relationships, information, and i don’t know public different moods with changes in the political calculations of the kremlin, yes , that is still what we are looking for, yes, the moment when people who make decisions in russia decide that this war was a mistake, we need, well, at the end of the invasion of afghanistan in soviet times, they just have to come to terms with the defeat, of course, yes, it was a mistake, but we need to change our political decisions, yes, if we are looking for this , yes, at least i don't know there, it seems, yes, how the soviets left afghanistan or the french left algeria, well, such situations, we still do not really understand what they rely on when they can make such a decision, yes, at what moment did they understand, oh, we we miscalculated, yes, we didn't think through something, and we still don't really understand, i don't really understand, maybe a guru understands, a mortzer understands what they're looking at, yes, when they make a decision, it's connected with

sanctions, it is connected with the interrelationship of regions in russia, classic russian the problem, yes, of relations in the regions, it is connected with financial indicators , yes, there is some report that was brought to the central banks, they say, we can no longer do it, but i don't know what it is, yes, when we need it it is repelled, yes, that's what they are looking at and how they will then influence precisely these points through. because of sanctions, because of military actions, well, this must be avoided, yes, well , a network of actions, i would not separate cyber actions, military actions here. informational actions, sanctioning actions, they must all work together, to lead to this result, well, we understand that this is very far from the search for democratic principles in russian society , no, let someone search for them, but it will not lead to victory, ugh, and finally, what do you consider

the greatest communication now task of ukraine, well, first of all, in the west, in the western world, because the western world is us, well, of course. well, look, i don't think that there are any informational tasks that are not related to real politics, yes, this is really all connected, but the question is how talk more about victories, it's very important, yes, that's all these eternal conversations about counter-offensives, it's a fixation on this on this history, it's already bad, but we need to talk about other actions, other victories and other problems now, yes, now it will be a very harsh winter, we know it, we know that russia has prepared a huge... built with western technology, western machine tools, western microchips, and we need to talk about it now, we need to raise awareness in the west very much now that western technology produces weapons that kill children and that

strengthen russia, it is very important that the west begins to accept them. effective actions to stop this, yes, we are talking about sanctions and many other actions to stop this, because there are other actions too , well, first of all, we simply do not have enough weapons, tell me, can we still expect that the west will stop reacting nervously to strikes on russia when this happens, because without us still moving the war on the territory of russia, i fear impossible to get victories, well, look, the strikes are different, well, now we are striking at military targets, we are sufficiently showing that we are striking, i think, i think that and this, i think that ukraine has changed concepts very much i wonder how russia will react, it seems to me that the attacks in crimea, i

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they say, there is no black sheep. i'm olena kononenko and i'm in the collaborators program every week i'm talking about traitors. and today , another portion of those who sold their conscience is brought to your attention. socialite, star of numerous talk shows, presenter, blogger, healer. professional escort and collaborator, alyona laurent, real name, olena dryutka, 34, originally from melitopol, married and raising four children, began to shine in the media space since 2012, when the ukrainian seralite caste about the life of the capital's major tosovka was released, and also , when she plastered kyiv with borders of thanks to her dad for a fur coat, a car, breasts and others wishful thinking i wrote a book, this is a book. after that, alyona starred in a number of successful television projects, a peasant girl,

a goddess of shopping, speaks ukraine and a super mom. and that someone still does not know who i am? next, luran hit black magic and started blowing dust into the sheep's eyes. that is what she called her clients, from whom she earned normal money. divination, corruption, attracting money, removing the crown of celibacy, this is far from over. package of services, prices started from uah 1,000 for the economy package to $1,500. until february 24 lorand lived in in kyiv, and after a full-scale attack by russia, she and her family moved to the occupied crimea and began to serve the russian regime loyally. everything changed an hour ago, after the start of speciation, the native of melitopol remained in russia. looking at this beauty, i regret that i moved from kyiv, so much. lupa and kyiv with hypocrites. in crimea, the traitor took down an office, started a new blog and started spreading fakes about the armed forces,

working out russian propaganda using methods. lonan claims that the tragedy in butch is a production. ukraine is bombing itself itself, the armed forces of ukraine is shelling peaceful objects and cheering for the occupation of ukrainian lands by orcs. they won, they chose the war against nazism, from which unfortunately. such devoted service was recognized by the rashists, who honored it with an inscription on a projectile, which was allegedly fired at the ukrainian city. so luran became not only a collaborator, but also an accomplice in russia's bloody terror. in order to somehow keep her musty silicone baby afloat, laurent started. engage in magical rituals on a military theme: protection from death during

military operations, protection of the military and cherry on cakes, theses fortune-telling on the cities that will be bombarded in the near future, whether the pppo will shoot down the missiles, where and what will fly, payment for such schedules is accepted in hryvnias and rubles, and what about belgorod and the crimean bridge, we also want to know the options development of events. cowardly hiding in crimea, luran receives social benefits for children from the ukrainian budget and constantly complains that they don't pay enough. alyona, maybe it's time to remember your youth and the main profession that received you in kyiv? cook, don't cook your magical rites, it's all the same to draping from zsu will have to, you face from 10 to 15 years of imprisonment. he was a noun, became the village head, this is akymenko anatoliy serhiyovych, born in 1997. lives in the village of korobky, in the kherson region, a private

entrepreneur, almost nothing is known about his life until february 24 from public sources. it is known, but after a full-scale invasion , he demonstrates his treacherous nature in all its glory. according to journalists, akymenko has been cooperating with the rashists since the first weeks of the occupation, helped them build roads in the steppes around the village, filmed in boxes ukrainian state symbols and brought fuel from crimea for sale. at rashishtakh , he voluntarily took the post of the head of the village. akymenko anatol serhiyovych, the head of the karapovsk ketal administration, i refuse. from ukrainian citizenship, because ukraine is a state, a terrorist, we have been convinced of this since the 14th year. i wonder how russia will remove this clown or throw it away, as it happened with hundreds of other accomplices. this headless head conducts active copper activities, demonstrates all the advantages of lying under russia, advises local, how to get russian passports, carry

social benefits from the razhka and repaint the serlo in the tricolor. being the head, perhaps, as well as carrying the head on the shoulders, this traitor does not have long. ours from the ssu is already on the way. this traitor in uniform, shakhov volodymyr serhiyovych, born in 1986, resident of novaya kakhovka. he is an ex-prosecutor of the kakhovka prosecutor's office, who was on a long leave to take care of a child. after the occupation of the city, shakhov finally came back from vacation and diligently got caught. started working for the occupation authorities, this the pawn was appointed the head of the occupation prosecutor's office in novaya kakhovka, and later he joined another branch of the liberal democratic party of russia from the kherson region, its leader volodymyr zhirynovskyi has been dancing at kubzon's concert for a year, so newcomers to the party are now being accepted by another racist, leonid slutsky.

we wanted to make sure that everyone we accepted into the party. shakhov will definitely not be in your rotten party for long, but i hope he will go to a ukrainian prison for a long time. and this is another collaborator from novaya kakhovka, oleksandr shevchenko oleksandrovych, born in 1986. in 2020, at the local elections, he went from the servant of the people to the novokakhov city council. he promised voters a bright future, but as soon as an opportunity to earn money appeared, he immediately hid the mandate and ran to the occupiers. on march 6 of this year , all russian agricultural sector support programs began to operate on the territory of the kherson region. shevchenko quickly adopted new occupation orders. he is the owner of the eurocenter advertising agency, so he became very useful in the system of agitation and propaganda. production and pasting of propaganda slogans,

russian advertising on billboards and installation of signs in russian. the topic. due to the fact that the entrepreneurs of the kherson region do not have annual reports for the past 2 years , a special package of documents was developed, in which the ministry of agriculture acts as a guarantor. do your job well. shevchenko took the position of chief specialist of the department of interaction with the media in the occupying ministry of agriculture of the kherson region. he is active gives interviews. russian cesspools, helps the occupiers loot our lands and