and the united states will create and lead a coalition of states to train the ukrainian air force. in total , the participating countries of ramstein will provide ukraine with more than 33 billion dollars for security. oleksii hetman, a military observer, a participant in the russian-ukrainian war, a reserve major, joins us in the studio, congratulations, thank you for finding time again for and here we can say that in the future, in general, the ramstein format, he has already brought a lot to ukraine and will bring, probably in the future, however, well, this time, precisely at this meeting. the results were quite modest, so to speak, in particular with regard to financial aid and armaments, isn't this, let's say , an alarming trend, just to reassure or explain to our viewers why this is happening, no, well, there is no alarming trend, that armaments and the funding that was handed over to us will be enough for us, as we use it, until the end of the year, somewhere until april next year, the latest aid, financial, well, you have to understand financial aid. as

aid, including weapons, which also count as financial aid, in a big way account, therefore separate decisions will be made, now the question of providing less than 2 billion dollars for aid to ukraine is being considered, and they want a package, well, president biden is proposing to congress, and both parties and republicans, democrats, apparently , do not mind voting on a package for 100 million billion dollars for the aid of ukraine and israel at the same time, how will 100 million billion be distributed among themselves, er, well, even if it is half for half, then this is already a very substantial aid, although i am sure the israelis say so, that it is more ukraine needs funding, because we have a larger-scale war and, of course, we also need weapons more, and mr. oleksiy, this single package, yes, the only package that should provide for the needs until the next presidential election in the united states.

well, the package will not even be handed over immediately, it will be like these million shells, it will be gradually , it will be implemented, just a billion, you know, we are like a million billion, not everyone understands how big a sum of billions is, to visualize it like that , if you take a million seconds, then it will be 11 days, if you take a billion. seconds, then it will be 32 years, ugh, that is, a billion is a lot, we are a million, a billion, well, in the context of the war, we are a billion billion in a different way, once again a billion is thousands of millions, us, we let's say 200 million - that's fine, and a billion is, well, people are a little bit mathematical, i understand, a billion is thousands of millions, once again, a billion seconds is 32 years, a million seconds is 11 days, well, that's it, let's play a little in mathematics, and let's join stanislav in our conversation

zhelehovsky candidate of political sciences, experts of the internationalist, mr. stanislav, we welcome you, congratulations, the studio, actually , to begin with, let's give an assessment, we will ask you to give an assessment of this 16th meeting within the framework of ramshtein and how effective it was, that you perhaps the fact that the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi visited it for the first time, it also has a certain significance , please, but really, the 16th meeting in the romstein format was held in brussels, including about 50 countries, led by the united states of america, and i too i share it, that's a lot it is important that the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy visited this event for the first time, and he had the opportunity to communicate with representatives of the member countries of the north atlantic alliance, as well as other states that have entered into this format, and i believe that this is a very important aspect given that , that now ukraine is in

an extremely important phase of confrontation with the russian federation, this is especially important on the eve of the winter period, when ukraine desperately needs those types of weapons that could be used in more difficult weather conditions conditions, and here it is also worth understanding that a lot was said at these meetings about anti-aircraft, and this is also important before the winter before the winter period, given that there is a very high probability that the kremlin will again start attacking ukraine's critical infrastructure, including its energy sector, and in order for ukraine not to plunge into a new continuous blackout, so that the state could function and continue to fight against russian aggression, it is very important that we receive, precisely,

an anti-aircraft and anti-missile shield that would be able to protect the territory of our states, of course, here we can look for a lot of pros and cons, which were in view of the decisions that were made in brussels, but in my opinion it is very important that this meeting did take place, especially in the context of what is now very is a vulnerable geopolitical security situation , and here there is, first of all, it is worth mentioning that there is a new outbreak of conflict in israel, and this , of course, can negatively affect aid to ukraine, and it is very important that our allies decided to prove , that this is not so, well, we must also understand what is in this a key ally of ukraine, such as the united states of america, is undergoing its own internal political processes, and now

ukraine's aid there is also somewhat on hold, especially in the context of the adoption of a new budget by the us congress, and there are still many other challenges, so it is good that the meeting took place, what happened, what happened, what went well, mr. stanislav, maybe you can help us figure out why there, for what purpose and how did the fact that volodymyr zelensky was present there, yes, this is a meeting at the level of defense ministers, at first glance as if not the scale of the president, i think that in view of the importance that i just spoke about, it was, this decision was perceived , let's say, literally in the last time, because there was no rumor anywhere that the president of ukraine would be personally present, really only the heads of the defense departments were supposed to be present there, i think that in order to strengthen the position of ukraine and convey what is happening at the front, what is ukraine's vision of transitioning through

this winter period and, in general, what is the vision of victory over the russian federation, and it was it was decided that president volodymyr zelensky was personally present, accordingly, given that it was no longer possible to change the regulations and the agenda in general in a short period of time, then of course the ministers of defense were already there, but i do not think that it was some kind of imbalance on the sidelines of this meeting, on the contrary, i think that it only strengthened the position of ukraine and, accordingly, these representatives could convey to the governments of their countries what ukraine requires, what is the vision of its... further situation, well, in general , especially against the background of all these outbreaks which are taking place in the world, it is very important that ukraine was able to take part and even at the highest level.

in fact, mr. president also met with jens stoltenberg, the head of nato, and how important was this meeting, mr. oleksiy, in your opinion, what could it be about, because we understand the details, they will not divulge, well, maybe they will appear later, of course will appear, the fact is that the negotiations between the general secretary of the national army, anson stolping, and the president of the country, it will most likely agree, to agree on some positions on supplying us, well, certain ones, well, i understand that i am speaking in general, but this is still the head of nato, i think that on the level, well, come on, there is no nato that can provide us with no nato weapons, come on, there are weapons of countries , which are part of the alliance block and you can't ask nato for help, is it possible to cooperate, it will be better that way, because it somehow looks like help, it is cooperation with certain countries, the united

states, germany, well, all those 31 countries, it does not decide the supply issue, but it has some influence on other countries, i don't think so countries may not be like that... well, he has an influence on all countries, but the president conducts talks directly with germany, france, britain, the united states, and somewhere, here, i understand that there may be talks with other countries, because it is not possible, it is impossible for the president to cover all 31 nato countries, to hold negotiations with each of them, there are other matters that, well , we have to deal with, apart from this, so maybe he wanted, mr. zelensky, with the help of stolteng to somehow, well, not influence. more simpler communications, well, maybe it was agreed there, that our minister of defense navitnya should go to these countries and negotiate with them there, let it be like a small country, well, any country there, even finland, but there is not a large amount of weapons there, but even finland, well, for example,

finland, it can be some winter things, there is a small estonia, there can be some certain things, that is, everything by itself is one position, it does not solve the issue, but in the complex, when it is the zenith... everything is in the complex will give us the opportunity to hold off this winter missile attacks of the russian federation to continue offensive actions to hold the defense where the enemy is trying to , it's natural, people get tired, every day there is a war in ukraine, every day there is a war in ukraine, it's a little bit, you know, as they say, the eye becomes cloudy, so it is necessary to constantly remind that this is a large-scale war, very serious combat operations are taking place, so that attention , as they say, no, no, no paused and not because of me. that's why it's normal, it's normal actions, it's quite possible here, it's to be congratulated, mr. stanislav, how

do you assess the meeting, what could it be about, it's clear that you usually asked about whether the situation in israel would affect aid to ukraine in support of ukraine . mr. stolteng assured, of course, that he did not, but despite everything else that could be discussed, well, i agree with the fact that the alliance itself does not have its own weapons, only the member countries, and it is important here that president zelenskyi met with many representatives of nato member countries, but still, the position of the secretary general is very important, especially in the political context, and i think that, first of all, this meeting was important because the secretary general entered his new term, and here it is worth understanding that back in the summer there were debate, whether at all, stotenberg should be left in this position, because he himself preferred to leave it. but still, taking into account that the current difficult situation, he agreed to stay, i think

that there were also certain coordinations on how the next year will take place cooperation between ukraine and the north atlantic alliance, this is firstly, secondly, it is important to understand that this term of stolteng falls on the anniversary, summit of the north atlantic alliance. which will take place next year in washington, and it is also important, because it is possible that even more important decisions will be made there for kyiv, in particular regarding its european integration, than, for example, it was the summit in vilnius, so it too, it should be taken into account, well , of course, i think that, too, they really rose there, not only those who are now potential, well, those hot spots that

have flared up again now, but also potential ones, and here it is worth understanding that the situation in the balkans is rather unstable, and here it is worth understanding the kosovo dimension, and of course, we are all watching the possible flare-up of the situation in the far east, especially around the island of taiwan, and of course it is also worth remembering about the south caucasus, where the situation is still... far from over, not yet ruled out, and even the united states is predicting a new outbreak of violence between azerbaijan and armenia, this is also worth considering , so i think everyone these situations, which are now in a complex, both in the context of hostilities and in the field of politics, were discussed between zelenskyi and stolt, in order to actually reconcile, how in the future we all should cooperate together and repel new and new threats . in general, gentlemen, here is another issue that

i would like to discuss, in particular, we are waiting for long-range missiles from our partners from the united states and from germany. however, another ramshtein again, another meeting with the ministers of defense, in general absolutely, something has quieted down on the part of transmissions from america, and from berlin as well. what do you both think, if possible, your points of view, i would like to hear why this topic is constantly raised, discussed in some way, we see some insiders in the western media, we see the statements of the political elite, after that there is a decline again, then again for some time must be in the press, then they forget about it again, and what could it be connected with and when, do we have the prospect of seeing these long-range missiles in the near future, mr. oleksiy, let's start with you, well, let's let's start with germany, the fact is that tauris missiles, well, germany is the second country in the number of weapons, but, in germany , well, i heard recent sociological or other

surveys there, well, sociologically, but in what way were they conducted, did not report that approximately half of germans believe that it is not necessary to help ukraine the way germany does it, only a third, in order to help ukraine and continue to help, and of course they did not determine 20%. that is, the minority of people in germany, this is the question, why so it happened where we did not finish, where where russian propaganda worked very well, maybe there are many russians who are probably looking in the direction of the united states, well, people, i think they are not looking, they are looking, chancellor, they were looking that people, you know, according to this poll, how many percent of people are in favor of handing over tauris to us, 18% , that is, it is very little, so the chancellor, he must act on

behalf of all germans, we understand what we need, we understand that we right, but you see, for some reason this happens. that three only a third are for the transfer of any weapons, and half are against, and these are also very strange things, the same applies to, er, feelings of guilt, maybe among the germans, but then the position of certain, for example, football clubs such as borussia, munich is unclear - hlabekt, ​​about the fact that they officially support hamas, that is, these are strange things , so it seems to me that you should not scold in scholz, but you should understand that the balance is not so, he is doing what, by and large, needs to be done, but i'm sure he's losing his political ratings, that's for sure long-range atap missiles in the united states, well, there too, i don’t know the statistics, what percentage of americans, i think that more than in germany, although it is strange, supports our country, but, as lloyd austin said, here is the only

person , who said as they are, that this is not the supply of these missiles to us, this is a political issue and the issue is not, not in our country, in the united states itself, well, maybe it is connected with the election campaign that has just started, let's get mr. stanislav, let's hear what could be wrong political, let's say, obstacles on the way of ukraine to, more precisely, on the way of long-range attack missiles from to ukraine, well, if we take the context of the united states of america, then we really see there now, there are very serious internal political processes, actually. it is ukraine that has recently become their hostage, and in particular the possible supply of long-range missiles, we must understand that there is a certain category of politicians who advocate for ukraine to receive less weapons in general, and of course, this is primarily flirting with the voters, and there are many of them, for example in

the republican party, and actually, i think that it is possible because of this, there is so far a certain deterrence on... this type of weaponry, well, and we also have to understand that there are even such narratives where it is still quite strange for us sound, but they still take place, for example, the fact that the possible delivery of these missiles can cause an even greater outbreak of the conflict, and actually its new phase, and this actually deters them, well, and also some determine that in general in the united states , there are quite a few such attacks, so there is an assumption that the decision has already been made in principle and it is possible that even this was discussed during the meeting of the us president joseph biden and volodymyr, and the president of ukraine during his visit to the usa, but so far this has not been officially disclosed, and it is also said that it is possible

- the decision was made to deliver non-body-attack missiles, which we are for... we usually talk about, which have, let's say, one warhead and which fly 300 km, and this is true, to put it simply, actually these are missile shells which have, cluster warhead and have a somewhat shorter range, well, in fact, it is difficult to say here until there is some information from the front of hostilities, where it was possible to see the use of such types of missiles, or actually, maybe they have yet to come and maybe we will hear officially about such a decision, but i i think that until the usa actually makes this decision and until it is known to its western partners, countries such as germany will also not rush to provide their taurus, this is the way it was done, for example, in the context of providing tank equipment for

of ukraine and other combat systems, that is, they actually focus on their main partner to the north. to the atlantic alliance, but i think that this type of weaponry will be provided to ukraine and will be successfully used against russian troops, because everyone understands that if ukraine is not given these powerful types of weaponry, then this can only contribute to the fact that the conflict will only drag on a longer time, and therefore it will be much more expensive both for ukraine and for the entire civilized world. mr. stanislav, actually, let's go let's also talk about how unexpectedly pleasant this aid from about 50 countries in the amount of 33 billion dollars for security for ukraine was, since all this was happening, the 16th ramstein was happening: i already said, in parallel with the war that hamas unleashed in israel, in parallel with statements that it is possible that the aid of the united states, israel's western partners

, will somehow affect the aid to ukraine, perhaps reduce it, in the situation in the american congress, when there are disputes, to provide a large, voluminous package of aid to ukraine, it is possible not to provide it at all, to refuse it, and here suddenly we see that 33 billion dollars. on security, indeed, the amount is not small and quite impressive, and this is all against the background of the comprehensive support of the countries that are now included, in fact, in ramstein, did it come as a surprise to you, or should it be taken as a certain stability and a sign of what the world sees a shift in ukraine towards victory, at least? i think there may be several aspects here, but of course, one cannot help but be happy that the western partners support us, and they do it in the most

difficult moment for us, and i'm sure they will continue to do so, of course , i wish that this help would have come much earlier than it does now, especially at the beginning of the full-scale russian aggression, when we needed all these types of weapons, all that we are already... for us it is already a given, but for us then it was even some kind of fantasy, but it is better late than never and i think that our partners have drawn conclusions from this situation and that not now, let's say, they will provide already more systematically these types of assistance, including spoken with us, today, long-range missile systems, well, of course, it is important that they understand that if... this is not done, then the situation will only escalate, and here, for example, the example of israel, it is eloquent, because when actually

certain directions were not taken care of or not worked out and this tragedy actually happened in israel, so, in order for the whole world to feel safer, it should help both ukraine and israel, because they are actually the fordposts of the civilized world, and that is why they need to be helped ... comprehensively, to complete victory over the external the enemy thank you, mr. stanislav, stanislav zhelechovsky, candidate of political sciences, international expert, was with us, thank you for the conversation. so, by the way, during his visit to europe, where volodymyr zelenskyi took part in ramstein, he also talked to journalists and there he said that the war in ukraine is now in the final stage, he says, from now on the final stage, but it is the most difficult . first, it was necessary to prevent the enemy... advance deep into the territories, then de-occupy the territories there, well, part which we managed, and now it is the final stage

, do you agree, well, let's not agree, let's not try to argue with the president, but do you really feel that the war is in the final stage, well, it is already clear, it is unlikely that the russians will be able to take any serious offensive actions, so that they do not talk about kupinsk, about avdiivka. no matter how hard they try, they are not capable , at least the forces and means they have now cannot guarantee them any significant advances, local victories possible, but it still looks more like the battles they are conducting to draw our forces away from the southern direction, that is, it can be considered that now the russians have become, well, as jack slevan said, they have become a dead end, a dead end, etc. , well, they are making some kind of counteroffensive there, but this is no longer fundamentally important from the point of view of strategy, it is big, these are big battles, but it is not, it is not an opportunity to advance there, well, kyiv is in three days, so

of course, this is like the final stage war, and when we are the russians will defend themselves, and we will be fast or not very fast, that’s how it will turn out, there are many components of it that affect the speed, but to advance nuclearly and liberate our territory, but they are currently attacking in... in the avdiiv direction, that ’s how i said it, that i so carelessly said that it is not essential, it is essential, i meant, from the point of view of the ability of the russians even , it is not essential to achieve any goals, that is, it will not affect in any way, a large number of forces, a large number of means, large losses that bear russians, but they can make very little profit from it to receive, i meant it, because careless words are not necessary. not to say that our president is so wrong, yes, but the manpower plan, they have no limitations, they will be able to call as many as they need, limitations, there are big limitations,

first of all. they are unlikely to, they are unlikely to announce full mobilization before putin's election, well, here they have a contract for large sums for some person, a russian from a remote village to go after and receive such an amount, which he will in no way earn for all his life, probably that motivates, but they don't go, they still don't go, because even large sums, and the russians, i used to, well, like everyone else. in russia, i saw the russian outback, well, it’s a completely different, completely different world there, we’re there, just imagine that a person from this world is offered, i don’t know, i can check now to the word how much, however, there are real amounts, what kind of person is this person well, according to statics, in no way will he earn for his whole life , i want to predict that they will make a good amount, they will sit down, look at the birches, pour themselves a beer with, oh, in short, and they you

you know, they will not go because you, as a civilized person , as a european, as a ukrainian, think, that is, yes, big money must be drunk, yes, it is a risk, it is a risk for life, but one must drink, he must pull himself together, he must , he, he, but he will break down, no, he needs somewhere to collect, leave, let's sit down, let's chat, a living potential resource of living power? but the technical one says that, well, there is no possibility for them, simply that is, even if they are called, there is no possibility to provide , of course there is no possibility, well, mr. zhebudanov said that by 2026 they will run out of all equipment, well, he calculated mathematically and said so, of course, they will not fight to the last tank, because if there is less than half of the heavy equipment unit left, then the unit is unlikely to go into battle , because there’s nothing to fight for, what’s the point here, what’s the trick here, whether it’s a secret or not a secret,

the point is that they have a military-industrial complex that can, can produce today, plus or minus there, in 1%, 900 units of heavy equipment per year, half of them are tanks, about 450, and about 450 batteries and bmps, this gives them the opportunity to deliver to the front, approximately 20 tanks per month, 20 tanks, they have strategic warehouses where they stored just the sky, equipment for 40, 30, 50 years and they built repair workshops, let's say so , this is what putin said to do a year ago, and they can make one out of three, four, five tanks, and if there is such a thing, it makes it possible to supply approximately 50 more tanks per month to the front line, although this resource is there there were about 15,000 tanks, that is, they can bring 3-5 to order, they already have half have used this resource, this means 70

tanks. if they, if they take, if they take, and since it is medvedev's dream that they will increase the production of tanks, well, they can increase, well , well, twice, well, up to 40 tanks per, well, no more, well, it still works out, well let's say a hundred tanks a month, we destroy 200-250 tanks a month, what, what is this conversation about, about the fact that they just, well, how many, they, they have tanks we... with more damage than them in general, they can put there, wait, this, this, these are tanks, for example, self-propelled artillery installations, they they produce about 10-11 per month, we destroy about that much per day, because no matter what they say, no matter what they tell people there, they can still offend people there, they have a separate philosophy of their own there, and the weapons,

they simply do not have the opportunity, they produce 15 million shells, although in fact it is 200 million, that is 400 shots per day for four shots, they spend more shots, it is unlikely that north korea will be able to add another million per year in order to they were not 4,100, but 8,200 shots per day, and they need more, again, that is, that is why they desperately need a pause, the same with missiles, they can be mathematically broken down, and that is why they do not have enough, they do not have enough... their resource to ensure how much they there they want to call up a million, well they can call up, god forbid that they would have enough, or god forbid that they would have enough for a line of mosin rifles, that is all, so to say just two words, they really need a break, in order to have time to work, to make more, more quantity, can build the largest factory, but it will be for for a tank, for example, but for that you need a year, at least.