[000:00:00;00] still not more effective, because the idea of ​​unbundling accounts is very effective when someone completely controls all exports from a certain country, that is, as was the case with iraq, when there was an oil -for-food exchange program, uh, in iraq there were no opportunities to sell their oil all over the world, because by the way, just now, we will see a certificate about this, unfortunately, it is, thus, the problem with simulshim is the same as with the embargo, the same as the styles, only if 100% of the countries that buy russian oil will agree to use it of this scheme, only then it will work, unfortunately, when in the process of negotiations it became clear that once again the western countries agree with this scheme, all the others do not, therefore it would not work, because it would be impossible

to completely... block exports there to those who did not agree to this scheme, and it was decided that the price of the vase would be more effective. mr. maksym, you are the first, but now you mentioned iran, the two of us are the first , just now, and i must say that very often, yes, as a journalist, as a presenter, i come across just those, i do not know that this is a russian ipso , or thoughts, such arbitrary thoughts of our people, but very often, you have heard it. such a phrase, did he send, sort of thing, so they say, veran has been working under sanctions for 40 years, living under sanctions, and nothing happens to him, neither does russia, the sanctions do not work, probably, or they do not work enough for us, by the way, about the iranian sanctions, we will just ask now, we have the video material, and my colleague conducted a short interview today with mr. simovelos, a great specialist on the east, and now we will hear him, after

the islamic revolution, the process of introducing sanctions began after the seizure of the american embassy in tehran and a long period of confrontation between the states and iran over the issue. as you know, at one time the united states of america supported the regime of the shah, the revolutionary islamic government, accordingly opposed the shah, and considered the united states. america as its key enemy. the justified storming of the embassy and the taking of the hostages actually led to a long crisis, and the americans even tried to release the hostages by military means, it did not succeed, and precisely because of this period, the first sanctions that were imposed on iran begin. later, when iran and iraq

fought during the iraq war. the united states of america, to a certain extent , helped iraq in its confrontation with iran. if we talk about the first sanctions, then they were caused precisely by the fact of the seizure of the embassy and the american hostages. ah, you see, the seizure of the embassy and already such large-scale sanctions, here half the country has been destroyed and still, well, somehow it does not add up. but this was only the first reference. the second expert, with whom doubled my colleague - this. ilya kus and now we will also listen to him, so that we already have absolutely, yes, information, please. please tell me exactly how iran avoided sanctions from 1970 79 to the present time, the first sanctions were introduced in 70 in november 79, and were canceled in 81, when

the issue of hostages was removed. which, which the iranians took in the american embassy, ​​as soon as they were released, the states lifted sanctions from iran in the year 81, in the year 95-96, the stage of conflict between the united states and iran begins, regarding the iranian nuclear program, and at first there were sanctions, the ban on its export to iran and the sale of weapons to iran, and then there were sanctions of an economic nature, all this time, starting from the mid -90s, iran managed to establish various mechanisms, well, to circumvent sanctions, this is both gray imports and smuggling , and the use of third countries that were not subject to sanctions, well, their territory was used in order to conduct financial transactions or to export, to import those sanctioned goods, they built, in fact, a gray tanker fleet with which they exported oil,

that is, all these tools.. . they are enough known, they were not invented by iran, these are basically things that different countries used, and they are in principle inseparable, they are not inseparable from everyday life and the international system in general. what happened when in january 2023 the us imposed sanctions on suppliers of components for iranian drones. these sanctions, they were already after the fact, because frankly, even before 2023, a lot of iran's defense industry companies were already under american sanctions, so they were finding a way to smuggle through third countries to import various components that were used in their weapons, and of course where it was impossible or there were not enough volumes, they tried to start their own production. in your opinion, how is russia currently cooperating with iran and also trying to circumvent sanctions, how are the usa and the eu opposed to this. in fact, the main

problem with circumventing sanctions is that there are simply many third countries that are not subject to sanctions that themselves are taking advantage of the situation to make the money that iran and russia are using to bypass some of the restrictions for a certain period of time, and in principle, the only thing the us and the eu can do is work with these countries, persuade them to monitor the situation with smuggling, with the flow of sanctioned goods, or introduce sanctions against them, but this is political risky, because many of these countries may be countries that are close partners of the countries of europe and the united states, so the issue here is quite delicate. on may 29 of this year, the supreme... council of ukraine approved the introduction of sanctions against iran for 50 years, how will these sanctions be to act, what they include, for me, this decision is, on the one hand, understandable, given the position of iran, that we have introduced

sanctions against it, it is logical, because iran supplies russia with weapons, and therefore acts as an accomplice of aggression, on the other hand, i i don't really understand whether this decision is part of the wider sanctions policy of ukraine in one respect. iranians, how will iran and russia continue to cooperate, and what sanctions can the us and the eu countries introduce, both against iran and against russia? i think that their cooperation will remain at the level of situational partnership as it is, that is, this partnership is conditioned by the present moment, it is not a strategic military alliance, it is more a friendship in the moment, which involves mainly exchange. that is, the ground floor in various areas. the russians transferred and continue to transfer military technology to iran, iran in return transfers weapons to russia, and they also transfer components so that russia can continue to assemble

iranian drones on its territory. the only thing that could change is if the united states and europe offer iran a new deal on its nuclear program that would include the easing of sanctions against him and such an agreement can bind iran's obligations not to supply russia with weapons. thank you for your meaningful answer. thank you, goodbye. so, mr. maksym, we focused so much on iran for a reason, and you mentioned it, and mr. kusa spoke about it, and mr. simo vlos consulted about it, because really two countries under sanctions, one a long time ago, one recently, have merged in ecstasy, as they say, they pass on some experience to each other, and exchange... or resell to each other what they are interested in, but for us, as you understand, the main thing is that russia buys weapons from iran, specifically the shaheds , who attack our peaceful cities, killing absolutely peaceful people, ah, just

in the middle of the night and destroying everything, everything, everything they get into , they will kiss, and thank god not often lately, but nevertheless, whether the cooperation between russia and iran... may end up, may be broken due to, well, in your opinion, i understand that this is not exactly your sphere, due to the new, nuclear agreement in the morning, whether it depends on the event whether it will be torn up, i think that such an agreement depended on many factors, and it will not be easy to achieve, especially considering that america is rolling in the pre-election period, but i think that it would be really better for ukraine if this agreement was. achieved, firstly, to break the military technical cooperation between iran and russia, among others, it was better not only for ukraine, but also for the middle east region, because russia

is transferring missile technologies to each other, drone technologies, with the help of which iran will threaten its neighbors , which ukraine is not, but american allies in the middle east are, and secondly, such cooperation would free up large volumes of iranian oil, which could produce much more than it does now, and since it has no obligations to its arab neighbors, who are opposed to lower oil prices, it could in order to get hold of the money, to improve the material situation of its population, which is currently suffering from forty-year sanctions, many goods are in short supply, low living standards and so on, protests will break out from time to time, so of course it was very interesting for ukraine situation, firstly, that they stop selling weapons in russia, secondly, that they throw additional volumes of oil into

the international market, this would reduce prices , thus reducing russia's income, and besides, since we are absolutely now, under the importer for 100% of oil products, and we were also happy when the prices, bossia bombed our last working oil pipeline, unfortunate, kremenchuk is already confused, how much. there were dozens of missile and rocket strikes, and now we are unfortunately completely dependent on the import of oil products and any movement in the international market, which is in our hands until the price drops, uh, but, listen , coming back to russia, don't the russians, that means, in the pubs or not in the pubs, envisage the strategy, but the possibility that iran, roughly speaking, will throw them, eventually, sooner or later, because look, and in the post on august 17 of this year he writes: russian engineers in the special,

so there economic zone of allabut, i am not sure that this is the right emphasis, but god is with him , this is in tatarstan, and they are trying to improve iranian drones right now kamikaze 136, well, the same shaheds , so the robots, however, are behind their schedule, the washington post writes, at least by a month, due to, what would you think, dependence on foreign electronic components. ah, but russia has made steady progress in creating a variant of the iranian strike drone, and the capability of this drone , unfortunately for us, is 1.6 1600 km, ugh, and so , the point is that cooperation between the russian federation and iran includes the exchange of project documentation and components for the production of shaheds, however, some components, as we understand, especially microelectronics, microprocessors, it's not from iran, it's from the west, and we know that the iranian shaheds suddenly find

components that could not be there if they were all, as you rightly said, not all are honest, if they were all to be honest, the embargo was working then, and the fact is that on august 28 of this year, the mmk mcphalo group , an international working group, so it made public, recommendations on strengthening control over components of foreign production, and there, in particular, many components for drones are needed, russia receives... from other countries, this is china and even hong kong, well that is china, in fact, even hong kong, it is already, it is no longer hong kong, it is no longer, it is already xiangang, yes, it is already part of china, from turkey, but the company, as this working group says, they should better control who they are dealing with, how can this even be prevented in today's world of the sample, i don't know in the 23rd year, when you can order from aliexpress, well, i don't know what else, i think , that we. the people's society should better serve the recommendations of the group

you mentioned, yarmak makfe, in order to to strengthen control over how dual-purpose technologies are used, it must already be recognized that electronics is a dual -purpose technology and the same controls as on all such dual-purpose technologies have been implemented, which means it can be used both in ... in this way to tighten control over the final buyers of these goods, because in principle, there are very few microelectronics manufacturers in the world, very few, and only a few of these manufacturers can tighten their policy to whom they sell to whom not to achieve their

result, this is not so. such a simple thing that you can assemble in every garage, you can assemble a bodyless machine in a garage, but you cannot assemble a chip, and even more so, you cannot, moreover, we know that there are not so many manufacturers of microprocessors in the world, very few and all russia's efforts to do their work are dogs, they are not, well, it is from the day before yesterday, it seems, yes, they are not successful, they cannot be interpreted as successful, because they are neither this nor that. quality and they cannot scale this production, but that means they have to simply follow these recommendations, conduct sanctions and conduct control over all third countries, which are neutral. who resell dual-purpose goods in russia and even non-dual-purpose goods, because we will literally touch on them now, and there are also diamonds, and there is also the antwerp stock exchange, where almost a quarter are russian diamonds, and the position of the dutch, i apologize to the belgians, is such that

if we close it now, our jobs here will disappear, you know, this will affect the economy and so on and so forth, in general in what is known about me, or is it possible that some new sanctions experience should be used in relation to russia? the position of ukraine is known, the first thing is that it would be good to achieve the implementation of the previous 11 countermeasures, it would be good, once, twice, the issue of diamonds, which you are talking about, is overdue, because unlike oil, it is not a social commodity, gas is an increase in heat in homes, it is a social good that affects all the poor, including diamonds, but not everyone and not every day buys diamonds, and the market, the volume of the market is unequaled,

however, these are very large revenues for russia, because this is a very marginal product, it is sold for much more. because it is sold for much more than it is produced, that is, now the price of selling oil and the price of its production in russia are as close as possible , and russia's profit is large, but the profit is not as big as it was before the war, the profit on diamonds is huge, so it is simply unfortunately, an example of the effectiveness of the work of russian lobbyists in europe, which is already 11. this is not to be done and the third important sector, to which ukraine has already achieved a year and a half after the seizure of the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, this is the superimposition of the stations on rosatom, rosatom is a huge corporation that deals with a very large number of military issues, specifically

rosatom and serves all the nuclear warheads of the first nuclear stockpile in the world, which are aimed at london, aimed at washington . that is, the russian nuclear shield or the triad depends on rosatom rosatom - this is not a civilian production, that nuclear warheads are separate, and missile defense systems are separate, no, this is one corporation that does everything, and makes nuclear weapons aimed at the west, that is why ukraine has been saying for a year and a half that it is necessary to impose sanctions on rosatom as well as on prosato, yes, mr. maksym, and we literally have time for a short answer to what i call the final, so murderous question, russia very often tells us that sanctions are not are working, that they are doing well, that is what putin says, well, god be with him, or the devil be with him, but the logic is simply elementary, it says such things, if russia itself says that the sanctions are not working, why is it making efforts

to remove them, that's how sanctions work or not, sanctions definitely work, and many of them are measured by many measurable indicators, this is the exchange rate, this is the deficit , and this is the reduction of production, this is the increase in the lack of orbit, the disruption of logistics chains, and the lack of many goods according to many nomenclature, this is the technological backwardness of russia, and this effect is increasing, we would like it faster, we would like more, but they are working and the russian economy is not feeling well because of this, this is enough, of the sanctions that are already in place, are they necessary? they are necessary greatly expand, greatly strengthen, close many, many fronts, close the routes through third countries, through central countries, through entire countries, close the sale of vassal from sales , the event itself, there, like the already mentioned transshipment in the open sea, alternately, and it is necessary

to expand to those industries that are not strategic for the event, as you sholomaisya, against which will give a lot of money. russia and other sectors, first of all, it is rosatom, well, in the end, sanctions should make it impossible, as it is laid down in the ideal, so at the very beginning, to make it impossible for the aggressor to wage a murderous war, which means that they will make it impossible for russia to invest in armaments there, in general, and in the end, i hope, will save not only us efforts, but also... not save the lives of our soldiers, who are right now with you here we are talking, and now they are defending, including our calm conversation in the studio now, and i will remind everyone that today we talked about whether sanctions against russia are working, at a time when russia is saying the opposite, that they are not

working against sanctions on us, they must be lifted, so we agreed on the fact that everything works, we still need to spread and deepen it, and you know what else works, the zsu works, so when you watch this program, don't forget to drop some money on the zsu, because the economy is the main thing for waging war, that is why anti-russian sanctions are needed. chevorons approaching victory, our ukraine. polissia holds the shield of the north, severshchyna stands heroically under constant

fire, the black sea coast defends the outposts of the south and the sea front. transnistria defends the humanitarian rear. the dnieper provides first aid. poltava region heals, podillia cares and feeds, galicia rehabilitates and protects. bukovyna volunteers and gives a feeling of home. bessarabia protects our bread. volyn works for food security. transcarpathia is developing business and partnership with europe. the carpathians became a reliable and safe rear. tavria persevered, and will continue to return its own. priazovya has not obeyed and will not obey. slobozhanshchyna fights. to blood and to victory, donetsk region and luhansk region hold on to

the last ground. kyiv region, the heart beats in unison with the whole country. each region, each the city, each village, and each of us, united for the sake of victory, prove independence every day. the funds of the wpo are hidden on the specified day, you do not know where exactly to apply, call at 3:45 p.m. or use the chat to be in telegram or choose and your application will fall into the right hands, they will help you register it, process it and send it to the authorities for consideration, there is a problem, we are looking for

a solution. shohorons approaching victory. unbreakable, united, independent ukraine was, is, and will be, because we are ukraine. no matter how hard we try quarrel, we are united, so that they don't try to do to us, we keep the order, because we are strong, we will donate and do everything for victory, because we are free, we support those who are near, who have fallen in spirit, who have lost and continue to lose, free from the captivity of those who defended the country and our future, because it is strong... the rear is the guarantee of a strong army, inevitable victory and our independence,

which we prove every day. rules of a warm country, bathroom. thank you for passing through the night at low temperatures, loading the drum as much as possible. let's beat the winter together. who are you, wow? i was happy that they took me and i will protect my people, i was a jew and a syrian, i am a gray-haired gypsy, you understand what i was more afraid of, i was left disabled, for the time being, it is, the most important thing is that he remained alive, when i was healthy, when i was fighting , i was needed, now i don't need anything, i 'm not the only one like that, i understand that there are many... i am many, the war made me this way. on october 22 at

10:15 p.m., the only news is in the marathon. unbreakable avdiivka, how our soldiers defend the city, which is under russian fire day and night, the rashists relentlessly pounce from the air, carry out assaults sparing no effort, they climb from all sides, the zsu holds the position. zavdiivka report by stanislav tutarchuk. the mzvdiya attack, how american missiles proved themselves and how it differs from other long-range missiles. atakams hit deep into the target. what analogues of atakams does ukraine have and what kind of infernal weapon is it preparing

for the invaders? grim-2 is a rocket. it is more than 1000 km where the zsu can reach now - explained mykhailo maneliuk. the darkness is canceled, is ours securely protected energetic? we have the equipment and the ability to repair and restore quickly enough, where will the money and the pppo system be taken? well, there is not enough air defense in the world to take and give to us at once. will we sit without light in winter - she found out. no to kolomiets. the 20th in ukraine, it's time to sum up the main results of thursday, october 19, on the air of news the only thing. i work for you at the inter information service, i am oleksandr vasylchenko. russian troops do not stop their attempts to capture kupyansk, only in the past day, more than 30 artillery battles have been fired in this direction.

barrel systems, mortars, tanks, armored vehicles. it is very hot near avdiyivka, today the occupiers again stormed the city, the number of shelling and airstrikes also increased. according to forecasts of british intelligence, the offensive on avdiyka could be the largest, because this city is a serious obstacle for the russians, who want to occupy the donetsk region within its administrative boundaries. our stanislav kuharchuk saw what was happening in avdiivka. dawn over kharkiv region, which means that another day of heavy defense has passed and a new one has begun, and it is also not easy for ukrainian defenders. for almost a month now, our military has been trying to stop the russian offensive on kupyansk, it is extremely important for the occupiers

to return the city under their control, and with it the strategy. the kupyans station, because it does not subside day or night. ivan and his commander do not leave the monitor for a minute. a few kilometers from the command post, their comrades repel another russian attack. so far, they are climbing from all sides, we cannot understand where, what and how. they shoot where the fire is, for the day they are they can, it turns out to be muted, but three or four, at least. and every time more and more of them come, no matter how much they are repelled, it will advance more and more. yaroslav, the company commander of the 32nd brigade , has not slept for two days, the officer says, with such intensity of fighting one can only dream of rest. katsap is stormed and not given , first of all, they are very worried about the boys, and such a situation is, of course, difficult, it is very

difficult for the boys morally and physically. this is another one of the hottest spots on the eastern front - avdiyivka. to surround the city, the russians throw all their available forces into battle. the audio player herself literally falling asleep with rockets and aerial bombs. after the insignificant shelling, it seems that there should not be anything alive left here. this is how a group of pilots of the omega unit's shock air defense system advance to a position near avdiyivka, the task of the guys is to stop the assaults of the russians and prevent them from encircling the city, the entire defense of which rests only on the heroism of our soldiers. there is only