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serhiy rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this. people who have information and shape public opinion. people who defend ukraine is created. the future is already the main and interesting thing in the program verdict by serhiy rudenko from monday to friday at 20:00 , repeat at 12:10. dear friends, i welcome you to the espresso tv channel, my name is lesya vakulyuk and today our guest will be oleksandr kwasniewski, a polish politician, public figure and

president of poland in 1995-2005. we are talking with mr. oleksandr literally the day after poland' voted, this year there was a record turnout in those elections, and so far the official results of the elections have not been announced, but there are the results of the exit polls, and we will actually rely on them in our conversation with mr. alexander. mrs. alleksanghe, mr. alexander, i congratulate you, congratulations, congratulations, i sincerely congratulate you, i would like to ask you, first of all, whether you are satisfied with the results indicated in the late field. that we have the results of the late poll and they already look very likely and confirm the results of the exit poll, i am very pleased, very pleased, because after eight years there is

a chance that there will be a change of power in poland and the period of ruling the country of law and justice the democratic opposition should not be very large in the parliament. the results we have from the exit polls are good not only for poland, but also for europe, good not only for but such politicians opposed to european

integration won, as fitz in slovakia, orban once again won in hungary, also in the west of europe there are many anti-european, then anti-ally, who are gaining strength? poland is here stood against a certain wave, a trend that we have seen in recent years, this is important and it has been noticed, i see even across the ocean, because the new government in poland means that poland is returning as one of the main players in the eu and that we will not remain on the margins, since during kaczyński's time we will not continue to be angry at the european union, make claims, but will jointly create european programs and projects. washington is happy about this, but kyiv should be happy too, because european cooperation, in particular on the topic of ukraine, is important here, and poland is needed here

not as a country that creates problems, but as a country that popularizes various good ideas in europe, a promoter of various good ideas in the european union. to be honest, ukrainians were generally not interested in politics in poland until february 24, 2022. their attention was more directed towards russia, due to the fact that we spent years together in the soviet union. it is difficult

to understand what peace is, what a civil coalition, the third way, is. if we are talking about those who can create a government in the next parliament within a month, no later the new government, because now the president who has duties comes into play, so i think that the new government will be formed at the beginning of december at the latest.

of december, of course, that the democratic one, when it comes to the third way, is the most difficult to accurately describe , because on the one hand, the third way includes the oldest polish party, the polish polish party, but it also has a pro-european program,

more so than the ruling pis, which asked the question quite firmly and not very friendly to ukraine, because of all those embargoes, zboża i tak dalej and tak dalej, więc tutaj spodziewam się złoty takiego. without it, it will not be possible to create more, i was the first representative of social democracy in poland. already the democratic one, i must say that this result is somewhat lower than my

expectations, i thought that it would be somewhere around 10-12%, że on będzie jąże tam 10-12%, okazuje się, to jest koło 9%, to jest mniej , ale to będzie bardzo viządze, it is less, but the participation of the left will be very important, and here in ukrainian affairs, i think there is clarity, it is a very pro-ukrainian party that wants to continue and political and humanitarian aid for ukraine. approach them practically and solve them through dialogue. in my opinion, if i were to look at the change of power in poland today from the perspective of kyiv, i might not memorize the names of politicians, because that will come with time.

even during the formation of the government, various ukrainian experts and advisers found good contact with their colleagues in warsaw. and ukraine to look good. to fight for many important things for ukraine in the european union, because it will again become an important country there. months between poland and ukraine through, it was done because of the pre-election struggle, because as it turned out that the confederation, a party that used very anti-ukrainian arguments, they also switched to rhetoric that was unpleasant for ukraine, tez przeszli zaczy w taku retorykę niechętno ukrainie, i think, że coś zyskalim.

this is the biggest defeat of those elections, they even counted on the fact that they would have enough seats, but will polish society after such a tense election campaign, today it is not united, and that high turnout, it is the most stories. this is indeed a record, but it is primarily the result of the emotions that were associated with those elections on both sides , the elections on both sides of the zrest, and those emotions are the result of polarization, the poles are very divided, in my opinion, the poles have not been so divided for a long time, perhaps even in the last 100 years, have never been so divided as now, therefore one of the tasks of the new government, the new prime minister will be to find a way to polish-polish dialogue, to polish-polish unification, because if we

remain as such positions when alone here and the others are there, then we will live as two tribes that speak the same language, but do not understand each other... well, in my opinion, the new government must very seriously start this search for a polish-polish dialogue, various gestures that will show that they are open on the postulates. it is not the case that everything will be settled with one speech or one decision, there is no such possibility, it will be a multi-year process. but donald tusk, who will surely become the prime minister, already spoke in his election speeches about the need for that polish-polish union. and i hope that this will be one of the main topics for this government, so as not to exclude anyone, how better

, on the contrary, to invite cooperation. i say it won't happen anymore, it won't happen. quickly, but if we are more polite to each other for a few years, smile more at each other, then everything will work out, because now , when you ask whether the poles are united or divided, the answer is clear, they are divided, as never before in history? it's a pity, it's a pity , but i hope that you will still manage to unite, as a result of the fierce election campaign in the information there has been much less news about the war in ukraine in poland. i understand that it was extremely important to talk about the preparations for the elections, to cover the struggle of politicians, to explain to the poles what and why, but as a ukrainian woman, as a ukrainian journalist, i have an interest in what happened to the polish media and about russian aggression, how much time do

polish politicians have to create a new government, to elect a new prime minister. after all , the attention of the media will also be focused on this presidential process, and as a result, there will be less news about the war ukraine. according to the constitution , there are now 30 days until the first session of the newly elected diet is convened. 30 days means that the seimas must meet no later than november 14. that the diet meets, elects its speaker, and so on. and accepts the resignation of the acting government, i.e. in the moravetsi government, and from that moment the president again takes the initiative, because he has to announce the person who will be the prime minister, who will create the government, how the president will act, i do not know, because he has two options, alone to admit that his beloved

peace party, with which he himself comes, had won elections and to entrust the creation of the government. in december, the sejm has the right to appoint the government, and of course, as i understand it, the parliamentary majority will appoint tusk, the parliamentary majority, that is, in the longest scenario, on december 1-2, there will be a new order. but of course, the president can behave differently, he can shorten these terms , for example, start consultations with

political parties, after a week or two of such consultations he can say that he sees that the majority is on the side of those parties. i do not know this, but at the latest on december 1, that is, in a month and a half. but when it is about military news, of course, it is clear that when the campaign is going on, these issues take a second place for ukraine , they continue, one of the most important topics of the company, they talked about it, some said that they are still helping ukraine, others that it should be continued,

to support, that is why the ukrainian theme has not disappeared in this campaign either, at the same time, i want to tell you one thing, because it concerns the whole world, and ukrainians must be ready for that and do a lot to prevent it from happening, the world is starting to what, what is called a volume from ukraine, and those news too much that they are usually bad, it's so psychological. people, they are pushing it away, no, that's enough, that's one thing, soon it will be two years that that war has been going on, and it's hard to say when it can end, how it can end, because it's an open topic, and on the other hand we we have a new conflict, this is what is happening in the middle east, it also takes away part of the attention of the world and viewers and readers, directs them to the near world, i think that in this direction president zelensky is doing great things, mainly... be active so that war has not turned into something that has always been there,

that can continue forever, and that many people in the world accept as a permanent matter and stop worrying about it. information from ukraine, and ukrainian politicians, and not only, but also artists and journalists should travel the world to talk about us. this information, new information will come from the middle east, the world in general is at a bad moment in its history, and it is good that against the background of that there is good news from warsaw, because frankly speaking, as we said, if kaczynski had ruled for another year, then i would have been would be upset and would admit that all this is really going in a very bad direction.

polish politicians that ukrainian women who ended up in poland fleeing the war will no longer receive any help, and it is clear that those ukrainian women began to ask if this is really going to happen, what i think about it, i answered them that i do not know, that everything depends on the outcome of the elections, what can we say to those ukrainian women now, what is their fate in poland? i think with the new government there is hope that there will be help, because the idea of ​​taking away all that money and social support, then was actually the slogan of the party that received 6% of the vote. that the new government will not make changes in this

matter that would not benefit those people. we are talking about specific people, about their needs, which cannot be left without help. here i am calm that these statements that until the end of aid for ukraine, the termination of funding will not be implemented. it was in the election campaign. but in my opinion, those parties that won will do as it should be, so help will be given, one zrobią tak, jak powinno być, czyli pomoc będzie udzielana, we will have, hope, jeszc, i wanted to ask you about the end of the war, which is not in sight, you mentioned that there is fatigue from ukraine, and ukrainians themselves are tired of this war, and ukrainians too...

i distinguish between these questions. turning the world away - this will be a decision, if, god forbid, this happened, it will be a decision of politicians. instead, depression is a psychological reaction of normal people, and it is difficult to deal with it, because even after great family tragedies that people experience, someone somehow returns to normal, and the first step is to reject those bad news, but we will not deal with psychology here, but going back to politics, i will say: the world cannot turn its back on ukraine, the key thing for ukraine is what is happening, because in the united states. fortunately

, president biden has a firm position and allocates aid to ukraine as needed and very widely. but we don't know if he will win the election. we also do not know how much the topic of reducing aid to ukraine will appear in the election campaign, because many republicans are already talking about it. such a possible reduction in american involvement in aid to ukraine must be filled by someone. in my opinion, it should be done by the eu, that is, our countries. and in that sense, it is good that the government is changing in poland, the new government will be able to talk and find willing partners in order to receive aid to ukraine. without the help of the world, ukraine cannot win this war,

it is fighting a big one. in addition, he is fighting, who came to her land, so he wants to expel him, this is a very difficult task, most of us are under a great impression, by the heroism of ukrainians, by this sacrifice that you make every day, when i talk about fatigue, then our fatigue is the fatigue of the spectator and it does not compare to the fatigue of the warrior and to the fatigue of the person who sits in the shelter during the air... destroyed the house, these are not comparable things, i realize that this sacrifice does not compare with all that we we are worried here, but the conclusion is, actually, we want, if we want to be heroic

, this is a question of whether we will stop russia's aggressive imperialist policy with putin and possibly with his successors, because putin's successors, when this happens, will be more incredible, no less more aggressive than himself putin. therefore, it is necessary to demonstrate by the example of ukraine to russia that there are limits to your audacity , greed, this would be extremely important

. this must be determined by the ukrainians themselves, because in the end i have no right to say what i imagine. what to do if tych te resursy.