[000:00:00;00] this is a conjuncture and indeed, china is such a lifeline for russia , all the experts say that, economic benefits, third trade, we see that all niches have been occupied by chinese companies, and, but this is not investment, this is trade, and if for this year it is planned that the level of 200 billion will be reached, then this is exclusively trade, we cannot say that about investments yet, we are not... observing it, but it is obvious that this large russian delegation brought some plan for the development of investment projects. and what is important is to explain what, after all china considers russia as part of the european security system, that is, it is called such a strategic balance, this is how china explains, this is such a rapprochement that it balances, so

it is worth understanding that the belt is the way. initiative, it includes a lot of different aspects, yes, from infrastructure to culture, there is education , it is important that the sub-context is that it is security, china , developing the belt and road, first of all pays attention to its neighbors, tell me why russia is unable to reach a final agreement on energy cooperation with china in those volumes, which moscow is counting on, but relatively speaking , putin took the head of the board to the same place. oleksiy miller's gazprom, but about this gas pipeline, the power of siberia , which we have been talking about for 10 years, i think it is no more, well, again the chinese were silent, as if they had forgotten that it exists, why? what else was noticed, i will answer now, but it is important that the escalation in the middle east immediately shifted the supply of oil and gas from russia, that is , we saw that

new contracts were concluded at this forum, the identification of oil and gas from russia, about everyone wrote it the russian public, i.e. china, i emphasize once again, it is balancing, yes , saudi arabia is now in such a, let’s say, shaky position, that is why china again paid attention to russia, regarding these large investment projects, they could not come to an agreement, it is not like that with russia , easy to work, china, we think that everything is going smoothly for them, in fact, it is not and what is really worth emphasizing is that, they discussed the logistics route, the northern, the northern silk road, this is xi jinping's long-time dream, through the arctic, past arctic, therefore for today we saw that russia is ready, there was no green light for this , at this forum we heard that russia is ready to jointly develop this northern silk road, and if it is ready,

then it means that, in principle, it is very difficult for putin to give up the foam, i as far as i understand, after all, russia's economic dependence on china is increasing every day, increasing every day, and therefore the fact that a large delegation came, first of all, they need investments, they will give, let's say, access to the mining industry of their , to the infrastructures, to the infrastructure precisely in energy, and here i think that in addition to the dialogue... there were a lot of meetings with china at the level of the presidents of the countries of south and central asia and, in fact, a forum - it was such a platform for business discussions , including yes, the first day it was called conference and it was announced that there were contracts worth 90 billion dollars between the participants of this forum, then i think that at the moment there will be

an intensification of exactly these other discussions, how successful it will be, how much they can agree on, if they are up to it not agreed, this is a question, we will monitor it, but tell me, if we talk about how russia's dependence on china is growing , at the beginning of this war, when western sanctions became obvious, russia was planning a whole, i would say such a big strategic direction diversification of its economy from the point of view of relations with the countries of the global south. now, when we look at how this plan is being implemented after 20 months, we can say that there is actually one china in this plan, because practically all the replacement of the western economy took place under the account of only china, not india, not pakistan, not brazil, not south africa, each other country has a few percent, supply of products in russia. how did it happen that china occupied all the space? well, firstly, he was allowed, secondly, china

offered... its currency, we do not forget that the calculations are made in yuan, thirdly, china must know the specifics of a chinese businessman, and it is also important to note that before large enterprises, large companies that work everywhere, did not go to china, sorry, big chinese companies did not go to russia corporations, it's still more of a medium-sized business, so the first reason for him is that he was allowed to, and he quickly reacted to the current situation, the business was doing so, if we talk about what is happening in relations, russia... china and mention the future the visit, the united states, to the united states, the president of the people's republic of china sidzimpin, do you think putin and sidzimpin discussed this visit, to what extent sidzimpin can represent putin's interests if he talks to president

biden, or are they parallel tracks, so to speak? i think they are parallel tracks, and for xi jinping, the fact that putin was at this event is an additional trump card in the negotiations, an additional argument in which. there is dialogue, in the agreements, which will actually be discussed, i really hope, in november, and if i remember at all, they met exactly a year ago in bali, and they reached certain agreements, and even then the public wrote about the warming of relations, and then two things happened events, it's pelosi's visit to taiwan, and then this aerostat incident and everything stopped again, and we remember that since december there, if i'm not mistaken, until may, there was not even a chinese ambassador to america, now intensive preparations are being made for this visit, and it seems that it will take place after all, and xi jinping, the leader of china, should have more trump cards in his pocket,

so i think , that putin's visit is an additional trump card and he was given a really specific role on this form, we saw that he was on the right in all the photos and a lot of time was allocated to him. for a speech as much as 10 minutes immediately after shijin pin, then it seems to me that it also has a meaning, so hidden. and tell me, you can say that biden should act as the leader of the free world, sidzimpin as the leader of the unfree world, that's how it is, well, well, and i don't think we 're really witnessing, yes, this de facto period of the cold war, yes, the escalation, it's already happening , and he has, xi jinping has many of his geopolitical ambitions, and this is the same, the forum showed that he has honed himself these two days with those leaders who support his

global leadership, who do not criticize his ambitious initiative, the belt and road, who support his, say, desire to spread, perhaps his influence. even on these countries, they support him for the presidency , in the votes, on any issues, that is, in fact, this belt and road initiative, it is an ambitious initiative, i think you will agree, it is a large-scale initiative, and it has still brought some economic benefits to some countries , despite such criticism and the debt traps there and the impact on ecology and , again, the spread of political influence, but still , china is doing work on mistakes, so the initiative will continue, and china is building such a new world order and surrounds itself with those countries and institutions, yes,

pay attention, there was no imf, but there was a new development bank , which xi jinping attaches great importance to, that is, a financial track like this, then there is indeed something to discuss, but it is important that this dialogue between k and the usa be, it is important that it be sufficiently at a high level, so that the countries talk, let's not forget that these superpowers, they are nuclear powers, and the world does not need new escalations. thank you, thank you for this conversation, vita golot, the head of the board of the ukrainian association of china studies in nasku, now in the south caucasus, we will talk with aldar navazov, a political scientist, former assistant to the president of azerbaijan heydar aliyev, director of the center. of strategic research, congratulations, hello, elda, good evening, well, you know, here we really are, almost the entire program is discussing wars, now already in the middle east, not

only here in ukraine, so my first question will be very simple: will it be a new war in the south caucasus, eldor? i think that there are no prerequisites for this, because... he has already restored his territorial integrity, and what we achieved through peaceful means and negotiations we didn't succeed, but there were two military campaigns, you know that well. that's why we restored our territorial integrity and now we're turning to armenia again with a proposal to conclude a treaty and normalize our relations. how likely is it that this peace treaty will actually be signed? there were great hopes that it could be, if not signed, then at least finally agreed upon in granada, at the meetings of the european democratic community. unfortunately, this did not happen. it was not in granada president ilham aliyev, there was no president recep. erdoğan, what are the next chances

and what will be the negotiating platform? well, i'll start with the negotiation platform. we initially announced that the negotiating platform is not a priority issue for us, the main thing for us is to achieve peace with armenia. and in addition to the existing negotiation platforms, we conducted negotiations in brussels, washington and moscow, very often we also proposed georgia, but recently our president was written off. on a visit to georgia and spoke again to journalists, said rev that's why we agree to meet in georgia. georgia is the south caucasian country most interested in peace and stability in the south caucasus. that is, we don't have any special preference for the site, the main thing is peace. and as for the chances, and i said once again that the biggest problem was that our territories were under occupation, the forty-four-day war. did not solve this issue, because there was still

a separatist regime, there were about 12,000 more armenian troops, and we are 3 years old tried to convince pashinyan's government that it was necessary to fulfill the agreements, to withdraw these troops, it did not work , now finally we believe that there should not be any major obstacles to the signing of the peace treaty, but we think so, there was a demand from the armenian government all the time they are delaying the process, they, dear, they did not return even a centimeter of territory to us without a war, although there were chances for it, here are all the territories that were occupied, in respect of which there were four resolutions, we had to return them all at the cost of the blood of our soldiers, at the cost of military actions, there were many chances, but they passed by all the chances, but now we seem to think that what issues can be the subject of military actions, there are none, there

are still questions of communication, demarcation, delimitation of borders , and many other such questions, because of which i do not think that a new war can be born, president ilham aliyev, during his stay, i think, in nagorno-karabakh said that azerbaijan will return to zangezur, this is in the armenian political dictionary, of course , region syunnik, no, on tanks, on cars. does this mean that the process of the possible creation of a corridor between azerbaijan and the autonomous republic can only take place peacefully, and is it possible that in the event of failure of such a negotiation process, the corridor will actually pass through the territory of neighboring iran? well, here you touched on several interesting topics, you know, there are several concepts, two concepts of approach to this problem, the fact is that

in armenia it was officially announced, this is robert kocharyan, speaking at the council of europe, at such a prestigious forum, he announced that there is genetic incompatibility between azerbaijanis and armenians, i remember then the reaction of the leaders of the council of europe, mrs. schwimmer and shidler, one of them said that for all the years of existence the council of europe has not heard such a thing in these walls, and i hope that this is a mistake of the translator, the other said that this is simply inciting some such national contradictions, we have always approached the fact that azerbaijanis should also live in armenia and armenians should live in azerbaijan. unfortunately, here is the second approach, in fact, which leads to ethnic separation, they managed to implement in general, but we still stand by our position, we believe that armenians can return to azerbaijan, azerbaijanis can return to zangizur in other districts armenia should. at least the goal is for us to learn to live in

a multinational state, this is the norm for azerbaijan, and we want armenia to do the same . it seems to me that iran played a very bad role here, it played a service to armenia, iran insisted, it opposed the solongezur corridor, many people were happy about this and said that iran will not allow the solongezur corridor to pass through the territory of armenia, suddenly iran is signed by azerbaijan the agreement that let's conduct this corridor through the territory of iran, it is simply pressing in armenia a very important corridor of such geopolitical importance, which is part of the middle corridor from china to europe, it is not only there azerbaijan unites with turkey, but what are you worried about, exactly, for armenia, mr. navazov, well, they don’t want and they don’t

want, well, we came from these positions, our president announced that if they don’t want, then we will sign an agreement , and you know, we just... signed the first piles of two bridges, which we will lay across the aras river, and this corridor has been built approximately 5 km downstream of the aras through the territory of iran, as pashinyan, speaking in the european parliament , announced that they are ready in their territory to carry out, they are ready to create a favorable regime for our trains in order to ensure safety, that's all that he denied us, he began to state this now after azerbaijan signed this agreement with iran, but we still continue with armenia to hold negotiations and we still want to count on the fact that armenia will agree that this corridor passes through the territory of armenia, and there cannot be two corridors, sorry, well, they are different, you know, there are a lot of interesting

opportunities, first, you they are absolutely right that in the end, if armenia continues like this, it will resist, and we will already build our part of the railway to the border of armenia by next year, they have not even started to draw up a technical and economic substantiation or look for funds, in general nothing do not do in this direction, if we have to build it through iran, well, it is possible to build an armenian branch in the future, azerbaijan is not against it, we will have two branches from the angezur corridor, through armenia, through iran, we will be fine, whatever then the country us in in the future, it will not be up to us to cut this road for you. there may be another option, through some territory, through iran, for example, the railway route of this corridor will pass, and through armenia, there will be a road route or vice versa, so we are ready for different options, you know, in general, our position in relation to armenia is now is that we are ready for all

options, but please tell me, do you need an option in which the corridor that will pass through the territory of armenia will be controlled military personnel of the federal security service. as it is indicated in the tripartite agreement by the president of russia, azerbaijan and the prime minister of armenia, we remember this agreement there, so it is written there , well, then we need to go a little deeper and say that since the ninety-second year , after armenia gained independence, it signed a treaty with russia, that its borders are protected by russia and the russian border guards stand on the border with iran and on the border with turkey. this is the section through which the corridor must pass, it... is under control of the russian border troops, so there is an interstate agreement between armenia and russia, the armenians gave it to russia , and it was written in this agreement that all the buildings that will be built there are owned by the russian federation, there is even a border strip that local residents

should not have there will appear at all, we don’t know why armenia behaved like this with its state sovereignty, they have the whole ... we don't have such a problem, we control our territory ourselves, in general, we are responsible for all these communications, armenia has such a problem, if it does not want russia to control this corridor, but it must review the border agreements with russia, which was year, in addition to the tripartite declaration that you refer to, we understand all these difficulties, we do not have any demands on armenia, but it must solve its own problems , let it choose its own path and decide, here pashinyan has returned from brussels, ego

the last statement that he is not going to terminate the agreement on military bases or on border guards with russia, well, this is his right, this is a neighboring country, it is itself...' what a path to take, but it creates problems for itself and for our joint projects, well, by the way, at the same time, because in russia, as you can see, pashinyan's speech in the european parliament is very harshly criticized , they say that at the level of the tas information agency, with a reference to kremlin sources, that armenia is the third ukraine, that's what i'm interested in ranking of these ukraine in general in the russian leadership? yes, this is an interesting question, but for me this is... the most interesting moment here, folks, i will tell you that they are usually ranked according to the coordinates of how far this or that country has moved away from russia, approached the

european union, let's say the baltic states , the baltic countries are already in the european union in nato, ukraine announced it, georgia announced it, moldova announced it, well , azerbaijan, in my opinion, showed a very interesting example, leaving russia, from russian influence, not necessarily a tree precisely in the direction of nato and the european union, we concluded a military-political alliance with turkey, and turkey is a member of nato, dear eldar. she is a member of yes, yes, but this, this was exactly the direction, we officially do not question our entry into nato or the european union, we withdraw to an independent position, concluded a military-political alliance with turkey, it seems to me that if they measure we got closer to nato or the european union, but how much we moved away from russia, azerbaijan is the next country after the baltic countries, well, i don't know do you have to say it in public, you know? how safe is

the declaration of such a position? well, i will tell you honestly, during the second karabakh war, if you remember, turkey sent its f-16 aircraft to the territory of azerbaijan, and the president of turkey, speaking in the parliament , announced, indicated the address, he said that i spoke with putin, i told him , if someone intervenes against azerbaijan in this war, even if it is mine. one brother, i don’t accept it, i won’t allow it and i won’t forgive it, and he, the turkish f-16s stood at our military airfields until the end this war, and now, already after the second karabakh war, we officially enshrined it in the shushon declaration, and we are now creating a united army, which is 80-90 percent, this integration process has already been completed, by 2025 it will be fully completed, and russia, of course , considering it, this is the first... such an example in the post-soviet space, when russia is forced to consider the fact that some country has chosen an independent path of development that no longer depends

on its desired or its whims. well, let me remind you, we literally have a minute, but after all i wanted to ask you, but here is the alliance agreement that the president of azerbaijan signed with the president of russia, i think , on february 22 of the twenty-second year . and absolutely, there i gave an answer to this question during one of my speeches, and the answer was liked by many, i will repeat it here, the treaty with turkey is a military strategic alliance, and the treaty with russia was a treaty and not an attack pact, according to the model of those pacts , which were included in europe before the second world war concluded that we will not attack each other, because of those articles that are az... union, there is the fifth article of nato, there is mandatory military support, full integration, that's all there is, a treaty with

russia, there is the most reminiscent the fact of non-aggression, but on the other hand, can you say that azerbaijan feels confident on the russian-azerbaijani border? after all, many former soviet republics, they were convinced that there is no danger from there, because there is that or other prerequisites. and then russia behaved unpredictably, and you know perfectly well that there are prerequisites for such unpredictability , they are in the lysginsk question, it is being played out in the russian public and in the media, i can give you a few more topics that would allow russia, if it wants engage in destabilization of the situation in your country, you know, dear, azerbaijan has gone through a very difficult path to reach the current level of independence

, we have... separatist movements, we went through all this and were able to preserve our territorial integrity, with the exception of the issue with the armenians, which in general led to a real conflict, so we know how to solve these issues, the turkish-azerbaijani joint army is about 1 million - military personnel, what kind of training they possess, it is clear, what military technologies they possess, it is clear, i do not think that any major country in the neighborhood, iran or russia, would seriously consider the possibility of a military clash with the turkish-azerbaijani military union, within the country we already have a strong enough monolithicity, our society considers itself a winner, the war has a very high patriotic spirit, all national minorities took part in this war, and the lezgins and talysh became the heroes of azerbaijan,

martyrs and consolidation of the azerbaijani society is very high, i don't think that russia will somehow manage to blow it up from the inside. i thank you. eldar namazov, political scientist, former assistant to the president of azerbaijan heydar aliyev, director of the center for strategic studies, was on air with us, and i say goodbye to you and wish you all the best. victory and peace to you, friends, good luck. they caught a virus, faith has faith in dekasan, inhaled dekasan gets into the lungs where the virus, dekasan works, faith rejoices, dekasan is

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