[000:00:00;00] radicalization in one or the other direction and when they take place, when, well, there were some changes in the political plan such that they ceased to suit a significant part of the population, that these changes, that the voters will have their say, so i think that, if we take the example of ukraine, well, i guess it’s worth taking, but in my opinion, this is the moment that, well, really should pass here on a historical path , in a different way, probably, it probably won’t be, well, this is my personal opinion, so i don’t know how much it is me true, but it seems to me that this it looks like this, well, at least it’s not worth it, i don’t know that ukrainian politicians should hire orban’s advisers, for the election campaign definitely, yes of course, yes, yes, i think that

i think that you are here... absolutely right, yes, because actually, the party in power hired them, and nothing, no results came from it, well, we will monitor what will happen in polish politics after the elections, how the prime minister will be elected there, and how the coalition will be formed, thank you, mr. dmytro, for the conversation, for the clarification, it was dmytro levus, political scientist, director of the center for social research, ukrainian meridian, well, we are a little bit. moving on and on, we will have an interview with alexander kwasniewski, which i recorded right after the election in poland, of course, we didn't have the official results at the time we spoke with the president of poland, who was the president of poland in 1995-2005, but we relied on the results of exit polls, which in principle are very close to the official

results, and actually talked about the fact that well, for me the choice of the poles does not mean how much better it is, such a small spoiler , says alexander kwasniewski, that ukraine will definitely be better off from this choice, and we also talked with him about how he sees the victory of ukraine, about the , what the reconstruction of the country will be, about whether ukraine will ever be able to establish any relations. with russia, all this will be discussed further in an exclusive interview with oleksandr klasnivskyi, i encourage you to watch it, and then andrei and i will return to the ether and continue our marathon, stay tuned espresso. the child has caught a virus, mother vera has faith in dekasan , inhaled dekasan gets into the lungs where the virus is, dekasan works, mother vera is happy, dekasan inhalation is an antidote to viruses and bacteria, and dekasan is also

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conduct a special military operation. this is just an illustration of a much bigger and more dangerous story. how in 30 years the russian orthodox church in ukraine has evolved from agitators of the russian world to terrorists. if it were not for the activities of the russian orthodox church, there would be no war. we firmly know that russian peace and russian orthodoxy bring us war, death and ruins. dear friends, i welcome you to the espresso tv channel, my name is lesia vakulyuk and today our guest will be alexander kwasniewski,

a polish politician, public figure and president of poland in 1995-2005, we we are talking with mr. oleksandr, literally the next day after poland voted. this year, there was a record turnout at those elections, and the official results of the elections have not yet been announced, but there are exit poll results, and we will actually rely on them in our conversation with mr. alexander. ms. alleksanje , mr. alexander, i congratulate you, congratulations, congratulations, i sincerely congratulate you, first of all i want to ask, first of all i wanted to ask, are you satisfied with the results that are indicated in the late field? they already look very likely and confirm the results exit pole. i am very satisfied, very

satisfied, because after eight years there is a chance that there will be a change of power in poland and the period of ruling the country of law and justice will end. i agree, lately we have had quite depressing news , not to mention the russian aggression in ukraine and the terrible war that is going on, but such politicians,

who are against european integration, won in slovakia, orban once again won in hungary, also in there are many anti-european chants in the west of europe. poland is here stood against a certain wave of the trend that we have seen in recent years, it is important and it has been noticed, i can see even across the ocean, because the new government in poland means that poland is coming back as one of the main players in the eu and that we will not remain on margins, since during kaczynski's time we will not continue to be angry with the european union , make claims, but we will jointly create european programs, projects, we will and washington is happy, but kyiv should be happy too, because that european cooperation, in particular in the topic

of ukraine, it is also important here. and here poland is needed not as a country that creates problems, but as a country that popularizes various good ideas in the european union. good thoughts in the european union. ukrainians were generally not interested in politics in poland until february 24, 2022, their attention was more directed towards russia due to the fact that we had shared years in the soviet

union. what is peace, what is a civil coalition, the third way, the left, confederation. can create a government in the next parliament within a month, no later than a new government, because now i am entering the role of the president, who has responsibilities, so i think that the new government will be formed at the beginning of december, najpoňiej w polsce nowy rąd powstanie na at the beginning

of december, which is interesting, it will be that party, and they will have, by the way, the main package in government, because they have the best results. for an accurate description, because on the one hand, the third way includes the oldest polish party, the polish peasant party, but it

also has a pro-european program, the issue is quite firm and not very friendly to the up to now ruling party, which put of ukraine because of all those grain embargoes for barga, i tak dalej i tak dalej, więc tutaj spodziewam się tałków takiego, i was the first representative of social democracy in poland.

i have to say that this result is somewhat lower than my expectations, i thought it would be somewhere around 10-12%, jągą tam 10-12%, okazuje się, to jest koło 9%, to jest mniej, this, but the participants will be very i think clarity is important, and here in ukrainian affairs, it is a very pro-ukrainian party that wants the continuation of both political and humanitarian aid for ukraine. in my opinion, if today i were to look at the change of power in poland from the perspective of kyiv, then maybe i would not memorize the names of politicians, because that will come with time, instead , i would like to start that dial, decide the future and

ukraine itself, as well as poland and europe, it seems to me that it would be good if , at various levels, even during the creation of the government, various ukrainian experts and advisers found good contact with their colleagues, because cooperation between poland and ukraine can look good, poland can fight for many important for ukraine's affairs in the european union, because it will once again become an important country there. in recent months, between poland and ukraine through the piss, and it was done because of the pre-election struggle, because as it turned out that the confederation was a party that used very anti-ukrainian arguments, they also switched to rhetoric that was unpleasant for ukraine. of ukraine. won, but the confederacy ended up losing by the results, the biggest

defeat of that election, they even counted on having enough seats in parliament to prevent a majority neither the ruling party nor the democratic opposition, but they failed to have 12-14, in the meantime, i believe that the new government will also understand the problems of ukraine well, will be ready for dialogue, problems and tensions will arise in different places, will be able to deal with that tension to reduce and eliminate, but through dialog, through good conversation, czy lełk eliminować, ale na drodze dialogu, na drodze tak very high turnout of over 74% in the elections. this means that supporters of various political forces were suddenly mobilized and eventually

went to vote, before and after those elections. and that high turnout, it is the highest in the history of democratic poland and indeed a record, but it is primarily the result of the emotions that were associated with those elections on both sides, with those elections by constituencies, and those emotions are the result of polarization. poles are very divided. poles, in my opinion, have not been so divided for a long time. perhaps even in the last 100 years, they have never been so divided as they are now. therefore, one of the tasks of the new government, the new prime minister will be to find a way to polish-polish dialogue, to polish-polish unification, because if we

if we remain in such positions, when some are here and others there, then we will live like two tribes who speak the same language, but do not understand each other. in my opinion, the new government must very seriously start this search for a polish-polish dialogue with various gestures that will show that they are open, chźn są otwarci rűző na postulaty na průzkujność drugiej strony. it is worth remembering that it takes a very long time to get out of such a polarization and such a division. it is not the case that everything will be settled with one speech or one decision there is no possibility, it will be a multi-year process. but donald tusk, who will surely become the prime minister, already spoke in his election speeches about the need for that polish-polish union. and i hope that this will be one of the main topics for this

government, so that no one is excluded, but rather invited to cooperate. i say it won't happen now, it won't happen soon. we will be more polite to each other for a few years , we will smile more at each other, then everything will work out, because now, when you ask whether the poles are united or divided, the answer got it, they are separated like never before in history? it's a pity, it's a pity, of course, but i hope that you feel like uniting, as a result of the fierce election campaign in the information space of poland, there have been significantly fewer news about the war in ukraine, there are hundreds of them. i understand that it was extremely important to talk about the preparation for the elections, to cover the struggle of politics, to explain to the poles what and why, but as a ukrainian woman, as a ukrainian journalist, i have an interest in the fact that the polish media also talk about russian

aggression, how much time do the polish politicians to form a new government to elect a new prime minister. because the media's attention will also be focused on this process, and as a result , there will be less news about the war in ukraine. according to the constitution, the president now has 30 days before convening the first session of the newly elected diet. 30 days means that no later than november 14, the sejm must meet, that the sejm meets, elects its speaker, and so on. marshalka and so on and so on. and accepts resignation from the current government, i.e. from the muravetsi government. and from that moment the president takes the initiative again, because he has to announce the person who will be the prime minister, who will form the government. i don't know what the president does, because he has two options: one

is to recognize that his beloved peace party, with which he himself comes, won the election and to trust. it will be november 15, the government appointed by the president has two weeks to agree on receiving a loan from the parliament. with that configuration, there is no chance of getting a credit of trust. that is, that government will have to wait two weeks, then resign, and then on december 1 the diet has the right to appoint a government and then of course, parlamentarna, jak powizim powoła donaldda tuska i rądą, czyli w takim najbardziej, in such a long-term scenario,

on december 1-2, we should have a new government. start consultations with political parties, after a week or two of such consultations, he can say that he sees that the majority is on the side of those parties, and therefore asks them who they want to see as prime minister, they say, he declares tusk as prime minister, that is, the whole procedure can end as well, and not before. i don't know it now, but by december 1 at the latest, that is, in a month and a half, we will have but when it comes to military news, of course it is clear that when the campaign is going on, these questions, the topic

has not disappeared in this company either, at the same time i want to tell you one thing, because it concerns the whole world and ukrainians must be ready for that, and to do a lot to prevent that from happening , something is starting in the world, something called a volume from ukrainian, and there are too many of those news, they are usually bad, this is such a psychological feature of people. they push it away, no , that's enough, that's one thing, it will soon be two years since that war has been going on, and it's hard to say when it can end, how it can end, because it's an open topic, and on the other hand, we have a new conflict, it's what 's happening in the middle east, it also takes some of the attention of the world and viewers and readers, directs them to the middle east, i think that president zelenskyi is doing great things in this direction, mainly diplomatically. you must be active so

that war does not turn into something that has always been, that can continue forever, and that many people in the world accept as permanent business and stop worrying about it. we must have information from ukraine, and ukrainian politicians, and not only ukrainians, and journalists must travel around the world to talk about the consequences of aggression. about russian crimes, about bombings, about the tragedy of the civilian population in ukraine, as i say, people's fatigue will progress, they will suppress this information, new information will come from the middle east, the world in general is at a bad moment in its history, and it is good that against the background of that there is good news from warsaw, because frankly, as we said, if kaczynski had been in power for four years, i would have been upset and i would have admitted that this is all going

very badly indeed. warsaw yes... fleeing from the war in poland, they will no longer receive any help , and it is clear that those ukrainian women began to ask if this would really happen, they asked me too. i think that with the new government there is hope that help will come, because the idea of ​​taking away all that money and social support was actually the slogan of the party that got 6% of the votes, the ideas didn't really make it through, won't make any changes in this

issues that would not be in favor of those people. we are talking about specific people, about their needs, which cannot be left without help. here i am calm that these statements that until the end of aid for ukraine, the termination of funding will not be implemented. it was during the election campaign , i wanted to ask you about the end of the war, which is not in sight, you mentioned that there is fatigue from ukraine, and the ukrainians themselves are tired of this war, and the ukrainians are suffering. of course, i am not talking about those ukrainians who learn about the war from the news, but about those who are fighting with

weapons in hand, where the holidays are even less. if the world gets tired of ukraine, when it turns its back, how then will we, ukrainians, our soldiers, be able to win that war? that is why it is so important that the world does not turn away, i distinguish between these issues, turning the world away - this will be a solution, if , god forbid, such a thing happened, it will be a solution of politics, normal ones. it's hard to fight because even after the big family tragedies that people go through, someone somehow gets back to normal, the first step is letting go of that bad news, but we won't go into that here psychology, and going back to politics, the world cannot turn its back on ukraine, the key thing for ukraine is what

is happening. president biden has a firm position, and he allocates aid to ukraine as it should and very widely. but we don't know if he will win the election. we also do not know how much the topic of reducing aid to ukraine will appear in the election campaign, because many republicans are already talking about it. must be done by the eu, that is, our countries, and in that sense it is good that the government is changing in poland, because it is a new government

will be able to talk in order to receive, without the help of the world, ukraine cannot win this war, because it is struggling with a big country, in addition, it is fighting an aggressor who came to its land, who wants to expel him, and this is a very difficult task, most of us are greatly impressed by the heroism of ukrainians, the sacrifice you make every day, when i talk about fatigue, our fatigue is the fatigue of the audience, and it cannot be compared with the fatigue of a soldier, and with the fatigue of a person who sits in a warehouse during political anxieties. home, these are not comparable things, i realize that this sacrifice not compared to all that we are going through here, but the conclusion that i draw

is actually that if we want russia's policy with putin and possibly with his successors, because putin's successors, when this happens, will be incredibly more and no less aggressive than putin himself, in ukraine, so it is necessary to demonstrate to russia on the example of ukraine that there are limits to your audacity, greed, it would be extremely important

for the russians themselves, the russian people. what do you think will be a victory for ukraine? it must be determined by the ukrainians themselves, because in the end i have no right to say how i