[000:00:00;00] but of course ukraine has never been in this row, agree, and the fact that it is next to israel in such an interest of the usa changes the situation, ours, i, mr. vitaly, i am under the great impression of this speech, i consider it one of the the most important, central ones, precisely in the period when he, which he marked as a turning point in history, and it is true, you and i are going through a turning point and we perfectly understand that depending on how this war between russia and ukraine ends, russian aggression and the aggression and terrorist act of hamas against israel, to a large extent, fate will leave the future of not only ukraine, not only europe, but also the whole world, and biden in 14 minutes of such

a short... but humongous, very significant, very important, in terms of its meaning, address, in fact, defined very important moments, you know, i think all the time, at first, i just realized that he basically put the bloody terrorists hamas and the bloody aggressor putin on the same board, and this is a huge of... significance is not only moral, but also political, but i thought further when i began to think more deeply over this situation that so, i think, whether you agree or not , i don't know that biden actually defined ukraine as well as, meijo the united states, that is

, the largest, ally of the united states, not a member of nato, which is israel from the very beginning, and it seems to me that this is also important, well, for now, in my opinion, it is only the actual recognition of the status of today's ukraine, but it is possible that there will be a legal one, and i understand that the best status for us would be membership. in nato, but this status is very important for our security, well, in principle, there was a lot there, messages, there were a lot of messages in this short appeal, well, the most important thing, of course , for us, is this appeal to congress, a budgetary one with

the fact that, if congress has appointed, then there is more than 100 billion dollars of aid for ukraine, for israel, for taiwan and for building a wall between mexico and the united states. i think that this speech and today's statement, the summit of the european union and the united states, they complement each other in very important components, these statements, and they actually define a new approach, perhaps, or maybe a new package of aid, and in principle, they fix it at that moment of the attitude of the united states and the western world, regarding ukraine and the fact that we must win, and they must provide us with all kinds of full-fledged help, i

still am. i want to clarify about this status of an ally outside of nato, that i understand that it is possible emotionally well there, but from a procedural point of view, if this were to happen, it would close the way for us to join nato, besides, you know, being the main ally of the united states there is not only israel, but relatively speaking qatar, which finances hamas, and somehow this , i don't know how much it would help us, mr. yuliyu, no, this is a very important status, mr. vitaly, i... i think it is very , because today, for today, what is our status, legally, factually, well, they provide us with help, we adopted a bunch of resolutions, they give us a really very important, important, let's say, from a military point of view, moment to help ukraine, but we do not

have a status, in fact , we only have a semi-candidate for the eu, a semi-candidate for nato, and that's all, and it seems to me that this status of the main partner of the united states, which is not a member of nato, seems to me very important, and the example of israel testifies to this, after all, the americans helped at all the sharp turns of israeli history, and israel for the united states the united states is a country of the most important priorities, well, i will not talk about the role of... the jewish diaspora in the united states, of course, has a huge role, but at the same time, israel is, let's say, the only, so far, democratic country of such

a western orientation in the near in the east, there is very important, and it seems to me that strategic ukraine , which is already separated from russia in covering up that bloody connection that existed for 350 years, is also of great importance to the united states, and i, for example, believe that our alliance with the united states has huge historical significance, perhaps more important than, than, the union with the european, with the european countries, so i think that even this... this twist, if there was, this is maybe my imagination, would be very important. mr. yuri, more than 20 million people watched this speech by biden, this is in live, i think later on the record, and not only in the united states

, but all over the globe, people were watching and we can't really count how many there were, but he was speaking mainly to americans, and there's a full-scale invasion going on it will soon be two years, there is a certain fatigue with ukraine, did the americans hear what their president was saying to them? you know, we don't know the sociological research yet, have you heard, i can't say if you have heard, but that his statement came from the oval office, what is very important is the place from which he addressed the americans symbolically, that it sounded in the best air, that it was broadcast by the largest television stations of the united states, this is an address to the nation, but not an address of a politician, of whom there

were many, and presidents including, and the address of the father of the nation, a wise man, that's how it sounded, at least for me, and i think for many americans, i think that it reached the hearts and minds of americans, you know, it was very american in to its essence, because he addressed there, well, first of all, he said that they will definitely release, will make every effort to release the hostages, he started with this, in fact, and today we already have the first result, i already watched on israeli television, they showed a father happily waiting for his wife and his daughter , who were captives of hamas, who were released, well, this is the first step, but maybe there will be further ones, because the americans are trying to release all their hostages, then he turned

to americans with such clear to them categories, monetary, financial, when he said that there will be dividends, and despite the fact that it seems to be a distant story from them, the war in ukraine, the war in israel, but it is very important for their national security, he in quite simple and convincing words said that, that is, i think that he reached the hearts of the american people, and on the other hand, this combination in one package of a bill on aid to ukraine, and taiwan, and israel, and construction walls, this, this, this idea, this is my

look brilliant political move which will force the reaganites and the trumpites who are gathered today in the capitol, who are in the house of commons there, are fighting to reduce aid to ukraine, they will not be able to do it because they will have to vote in one package and it will accelerate the my view is also that of the speaker in the american congress. please tell me, mr. yuri, in principle, if... talking about the mood of american society, how much do you think they will change in the course of the election campaign next year, when in the voices of people like donald trump, like other republican politicians who are now competing for the nomination, and are not at all inclined to support ukraine, or the tragedy that is happening now in israel, can still change their rhetoric, uh, well, we know you, mr.

vitaly. that the mood of the americans depends on the prices at the gas stations, well, first of all, that is, on the state of the economy, and this will be a very serious challenge for biden, we also know that today biden is not as popular as he should be entering this race the presidential party, because there are a lot of supporters... and the republican party, i am not talking about the republican party, but also the democratic party , they think that he is too old, but he showed with these speeches, his actions, his deeds that he is a very active president, because he was actually the first president who visited israel during the war, well, he also visited kyiv, ukraine during the war, these are unprecedented actions, and when he was in kyiv, there were no american troops anywhere that could

to protect him, and in fact, it is very brave from the point of view of the american tradition, an act, so i think he has a certain advantage, but it is clear that everything depends on his fate, the fate of the presidential race, depends, well, not so much on whether trump will be arrested or convicted there, although that may ... to take place, but depending on how this war will be ended in the 24th year, for biden, in my opinion, it is incredibly important to end the war with russia, with the victory of ukraine, but with such a victory that would not destroy the russian one state, they are very afraid of the first use of nuclear weapons and do not want to transition to the third world war, and he

says about it all the time, he is a cautious person. and on the other hand, in my opinion, there are some in-depth, completely unknown to us , secret negotiations going on regarding the removal of putin and, er, some new formation, the establishment of this new government in russia, which would be able to withdraw the troops and conduct. a very decisive revision of the entire russian foreign and domestic policy, well, for example, we have already received information that negotiations are underway with representatives of the russian opposition, which has formed its own organization, well, perhaps, it is unlikely that the russian opposition, which is located outside of russia, will be able to take power there. but we don't know, there are already negotiations with

deep-rooted russian business, which has all its roots connected with western business, russia has proven that it has become a member of that western society in principle, depends to a large extent on the import of western products, goods, technologies, and therefore, if they want to continue their existence, they must go for very serious changes and, first of all, liquidate them the totalitarian-dictatorial bloody regime of putin. the world's fear of nuclear escalation and putin, who appears in china with a suitcase, with a button, this is again his message that look, i can click from any corner, where i won't be? and he simply has nothing else left.

we know everything, it's just that they showed this so-called second army of the world and the entire russian putin state, that on the one hand, of course, it is a very serious state, it has serious human and material resources, that's all, and they showed their ee, well, they assured a certain stability, moreover, they showed that the deep russian... people, with all the roots of the black hundred, hatred of foreigners, rallied around putin, on the one hand, and on the other hand, they showed that. .. all that, er, with which humanity and europe were scared, it all er, turned out to be, well, to a certain extent, er, er, a potemkin village, such, well, they carry those suitcases, they usually joke about the contents of those suitcases, and what kind of biomaterial

is contained in them, but even if it is a red button and they specifically demonstrate it, then i think even his ally, the people's republic of china, not to mention india, is far from happy that he is threatening the world with nuclear weapons, and this is his last argument, and i hope that he will not be allowed to use that argument if things will go critically and catastrophically for him, for himself personally and for his regime, therefore, he can scare, but did he scare with these, well, let's say, planes that will fly over the black sea, which can hit american aircraft carriers, well, that's naive to the satisfaction, because it is unlikely, today

state, the russian army and the missiles it possesses can seriously break through there... the post-war defenses of the united states and its allies. i have such a futurological question. you are so optimistic on the one hand, and on the other hand, i remember that in this old novel of yours, the time of the martyrs, that you remember its content, you talk about the fact that dictatorships win over democracies , that nuclear weapons can be used, and you prove everything absolutely convincingly there, and why are you in literary to prove it, but not to prove it politically, but i want to understand, no, no, no, it is not quite so, there too, if you remember, the military regime is winning there, and i am convinced that it

will be the same in ukraine, which is necessary for the transition period, our, libertarian democracy and anarchic democracy, these are my writing beliefs, and on the other hand, i still have a certain, certain, you know, fear of use, because this paranoid, in principle, can use nuclear weapons , if the russian generals leave on this, maybe, but what will be the consequences for russia, for its regime, for everything, the whole globe will be very negative, we , by the way, for me, you know, there is a very important thing now... checking their intentions, i think that they will resume nuclear tests, and i think what, what will be the reaction of the world , will they go, will china also go to test nuclear weapons, will america succumb to this, this, this will be

a very big step forward to a nuclear catastrophe until the end of civilization, we will see , i am afraid that they will be able to spend and plan to carry out nuclear tests, this is his game of blackmail with a world war, he is a player, he turned out to be such, you know, the hero of dostoyevsky, the embodiment of world evil, who is also a gambler, he is playing with europe, and those democracies are weak, unfortunately, and indecisive , they... often succumb to blackmail. thank you thank you, yuriy sherbak, diplomat, public figure, writer, former ambassador of ukraine to israel, usa and canada. well , ihor simivolos, director of the center for middle eastern studies, is with us now. mr. igor, good evening to you. yes, good evening, congratulations you. congratulations. so let's start with today's so-called peace summit in

egypt. arab countries refused the summit in amman with the president of the united states, joseph biden, although this summit is in principle. the presence of the president of the united states and all these efforts made by the secretary of state of the united states anthony blinken for some kind of dialogue restoration could be effective, as a result, they meet with themselves, what is the sense, well, there is no sense, but the situation as of the moment when biden came to israel, well, it was like the arab ones the leaders could not meet due to these circumstances. in other words, you need to understand the circumstances here, i think that everyone, everyone, at least the americans, understand them. what can happen now from the point of view of the position of the arab countries, if we are talking about the population of the gas sector, they will try to keep the population there simply as a way to use it as a tool in their confrontation with israel,

or will they allow some number of people to switch to the territory of egypt, i do not think that the egyptians will give such an opportunity, and there is even a problem here not that, although they are also security issues, but they make sense, so let's probably start with the fact that the north is sued. very poorly controlled by the egyptians, there is a local isis, egypt does not have the resources to provide a large number of refugees, but there is one more principle that all arab countries clearly state, they do not want to create another wave of refugees, aa such a situation 48, that is, everyone emphasizes that after this, the refugees will no longer be able to return home

and this will mean that these territories will lost, so this is, let's say, the explanatory scheme that is accepted by the majority of arabs, and can you really explain to me the logic of this scheme, because it is absolutely obvious that the refugees who left the territory, the current sovereign territory of israel, really could not for the most part to go back, because it was the sovereign territory of israel, the arab countries lost the war there in 1948, that is all clear, but now we are talking about the territory of the gas sector, it is unlikely that israel will occupy or annex it there, here from the point of view the banal theory, they both left and can come back if they want, of course, it's a matter of their desire, that 's another topic, hello, we don't know how the israeli government will behave, actually, because there are so many different versions, and the post-war settlement in this region , it can create a situation where it will be difficult to return to a significant territory of the former gas sector, and therefore, based simply on these

considerations, on these hunches, because here we are not talking about rational, but about such, you know, emotional experiences, that is, going out from this, they actually do not trust israel and do not trust the statements made by the official side... mr. igor, please explain, here are all these protests that are taking place in the world, in harvard students are protesting, speaking in defense of the palestinians, in the capitol, in the end, in the end, people came and also, they say that the us should stop the war in israel, along with that, the palestinians, the arabs in different countries come out, who, who support ha who are happy about what hamas is doing, and it 's somehow difficult understand why people why people

support terrorists who do this and that with hamas, who in the end use the palestinians as human shields, well, there are two versions here, you know, two two options, you want the politically correct one or the real one, let's have the real one, well, you can. you are politically correct too tell me, you tell me both, both, yes, let’s do it personally, it will be interesting to listen, and the politically correct thing is that the palestinian issue, it is not just about the issue of hamas, but it is the issue of creating a palestinian state, respectively, in an effort here are these people, they are primarily aimed at that the tustay solution is implemented, that is, this i told you is politically correct, and the realistic one is that for a long time, in fact, the situation was

frozen, and the israeli government refused to go to any negotiations and really solve this issue, and parallel to this, in the last few years, the number of jewish settlements in the occupied palestinian territories in the west bank has grown exponentially, accordingly, the vast majority of those who aspire to have a palestinian state have become completely disappointed that it is possible negotiations to achieve a result, so they support not hamas, not terrorists, they support armed struggle, uh, yes, in this case it takes the forms that we see, but it is not a question of hamas, not a question of a terrorist organization, it is a question of armed struggle, say please, in principle, if we talk about american efforts, about all these trips by blinken, about

the arrival of biden, what are they really aimed at, what do the americans now value from israel and what do they want to see in the region now? and it seems to me that on the one hand, americans are playing their inner american game, the voters, the representatives, the jewish community in america, for the most part, support, support the democrats, and biden needs to at least put on record that their administration, despite the traditional perception... that the democrats usually for a very long time make a decision that the democratic administration made a decision quite quickly, and the second point is that israel finds itself in a rather serious and, well, situation, and the united states of america can in this

way provide not only support, but also pressure on israel, and as far as i have heard israeli politicians who say on the one hand that biden's visit was undoubtedly very interesting and positive for israel, but at the same time, it increased the influence of the united states of america on israeli politics, and strengthened israel's dependence on the united states of america and seriously narrowed the space, for me, you can often hear such comparisons that they say, palestinians are ukrainians, and israel is attacking them, how, how to explain in such a case to people that it can be an incorrect comparison , well, in general, i think it is incorrect

to compare these two conflicts, and when they try to draw a ball on the globe and try to compare both with our war, we always get into a very serious mess, and, and, but if, if you want, well, sure, i 'll say that, the palestinians are a very restless people, the palestinians are a riotous people, and basically, that's a problem for any, any, state that tries to control them. it was a flight, there was a politically correct answer, let's try to detail it in some way, right now, in principle, when we hear from palestinian activists, just now i read such a conversation of leftists there, a discussion of leftist jewish palestinian activists, and after this whole

discussion, one of the participants says, hamas. now represents the interests of the palestinians in a way that they have not been represented by other political forces for a long time, as they have not been represented by the palestinian authority, can we say that we will be observers of the radicalization, i would say, of such and such attitudes in the society of arabs who live in the territory of the palestinian authority , and as a result this radicalization will lead to an even greater confrontation between them and the state of israel and will deprive, will deprive the palestinian national... as a result of any legitimacy in the eyes of both the israelis and the world community, because what happened in the 70s and 80s of the past will return century and that helped the state of israel to marginalize the palestinian movement, of course, when a palestinian radical, these were synonyms, and yasser arafat, and mahmoud abaas and other palestinian leaders were just thugs, it

must be said clearly, they were thugs who were able to get over their crimes, to stop being toys in the hands of the arab rulers, because they killed and killed and killed and got rich from killing, and now abbas is getting richer not killing, and somehow it created opportunities, and that's how it will look in in the future, when we will again see an entire nation ready to commit the murder of its national ideology, well, i think, welcome, yes absolutely very much, well, i don’t know , politically correct is not politically correct, asking a question, but it is not politically correct, i do not ask such a bravado question, it the problem is problem for the palestinians, because there is a saying that the palestinians never miss an opportunity, to miss an opportunity, and right now we are seeing, perhaps for the first time in all this time, the west bank, and the political

leadership, although it is very undermined,