[000:00:00;00] and they got rich on murder, and now abbas does not kill the rich, and somehow it created an opportunity , well, this is how it will look in the future, when we will again see a whole people ready to commit the murder of their national ideology, well, i think, welcome, yes absolutely very, well, i don't know, politically correct, not politically correct questioning, but really, politically correct , i don't ask such a brave question, this is a problem, it's a problem for the palestinians, because there is an expression that the palestinians never lose an opportunity, to lose an opportunity, and just now we we see, perhaps for the first time in all this time, the west bank, and the political leadership , although it is very undermined, is very much under

serious criticism, and indeed radical sentiments in the west bank are growing, but nevertheless, the palestinian leadership of the west bank is trying to hold the situation is under control, because they are already, in my opinion, trained by this negative experience, which basically shows that every such action, it rejects the palestinian, the palestinian people from the realization of the idea of ​​a palestinian state. so based on the fact that hamas, hamas certainly does not represent the entire palestinian people , yes, some palestinians are inspired by the fact that hamas has challenged israel, that is true, but at the same time, the vast majority realize that the forces are not equal, and that as a result

, defeats, they will be rejected a few decades ago, therefore, the role of the united states of america and other arab countries, which are currently exerting both pressure on mahmoud abbas and pressure on representatives of the palestinian authority in the autonomy and political groups that are affiliated, is important here with fatah, in order to keep these people from violence , in order to continue this track to the creation of a palestinian state, moreover, i think that paradoxically, this situation may eventually lead to the creation of a palestinian state, because this situation forces all parties to make those decisions that they would not have taken yesterday, and it is obvious that if the american administration continues the course of

rapprochement with saudi arabia and israel, then the result of this will undoubtedly be the creation of a palestinian state, and then the question hamas will be resolved automatically, he will lose the support he currently has in the territories. how long can this conflict last? look, it's been going on for 100 years now, well it's aggravation, i mean it's an aggravation? well, no, it's an aggravation. in different ways, i am even here, it is difficult for me to assess israel's plans, because israel is also now being seriously pressured by the united states of america, it is clear that within society, israeli society, people are ready for war, that is, they are ready and want enter

the gas and destroy hamas, this is basic, basic taka and the basic trend that we are currently observing, but there is a fear of a second front, there is a fear of serious consequences in the humanitarian sphere, accusations of violation of the laws of war and many other things, that is, there are enough problems, how will they roll out, to be honest, i i would not like to be in the place of benny gantz and bibi netanyahu. thank you, thank you sir. center for middle eastern studies, we're going to break for just a few minutes, but don't switch, we 'll talk to lesya again in the next part of our program, stay with us, there are discounts on coldrex 20% in pharmacies plantain, bam and ochad. attention, an incredible new product from unpack tv, super warm and very comfortable

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from uah 799, call us, we continue the saturday political club, lekolyuk, tailor, we congratulate once again those who are already... with us and who just joined, actually mr. vitaly, here we finished with igor samovolosy about the fact that this conflict is a hundred years old, but i think that the devil will break his head there and a person who wants to understand briefly what it is and why they fight like this and why is it taking so long, please explain, i don’t see anything complicated in this conflict , it’s just that you need to start not in 100 years, but in 1000, during the time when the last jewish rebellion against the roman empire was defeated, and the last of the roman emperors who fought with this rebellion, there were three in all, emperors

vesposian the emperor titus, the emperor hadrian, which emperor titus was the son of the emperor vespetian, the emperor trajan and the emperor hadrian, these are the three main emperors, titus , when he fought with judea, was not the emperor of rome, and now, by the way, many laughed bitterly at us, when i saw that the italians projected the flag of israel on the statue of titus, which was erected in honor of the destruction of the jerusalem temple and the subjugation of the jewish kingdom, this is like a revenge that was taken after a thousand years, exactly, practically, when the last rebellion lost , and the emperor hadrian even renamed judea palestine, he was elinophilus and he invented a greek word, not a roman one, but a greek one, because he loved everything greek so much, he invented what the greeks called this territory so that there was not even a memory of it , that there was a statehood, a kingdom, and so on, and thus the jews lost this state

a thousand years ago, that in the past thousand years, it will not be forgotten, and since then the idea of ​​returning statehood, it has always existed among the jews, whatever nations passed through this territory, muslims, crusaders, who anything, but it was always an absolutely historical fact that the real flight was a state, a state, because there was never a state ...' there was no real one, there were various colonies, mandated territories, there were kingdoms of christians, there were some caliphates, but they were in part of the territory, they never had such an effective statehood in the entire territory of ancient israel, judea and samaria, uh, at the moment when religious desires changed into political ones among all the peoples of the world there, the spring of nations took place, the jews were among these peoples, they had already lived there for a thousand years in russia, someone continued to live in the holy land.

there were not many of them, and the idea of ​​a jewish state in this territory appeared, since the idea of ​​a jewish state in this territory was based on the fact that people should return there, buy land there, as a rule , it is not very favorable, the arabs called these first jews the swamp people , because they bought horror, it's even hard to imagine that if you read the first books about what happened there, the main topic in these books will be malaria, people were just dying a few years ago that if a person lives in malarial swamps, he usually does not survive, and so and so and so, so there was this israeli universal movement, which was very tragic, but somehow a certain number of people settled during the ottoman empire, then, uh, continued to live there, and appearing in the times of the british mandate, well-known events began in europe , the 30s, the nazis, the holocaust, this also increased the number of people who wanted to settle there, because it became clear that

it is dangerous to live among european peoples , it seems to me any person who has common sense does not need to explain when you are burned by your people throughout europe, that is , it was once in the middle ages, but it was also in the 20th century, and this 20th century seemed to be much more humanistic times there spanish and portuguese kings, in any case, the idea of ​​creating: a jewish state arose, but the leaders of this jewish community in ee, mandated palestine did not realize that there were people living nearby who might also want statehood, and, why did they not realize, because what for by and large, when they began to settle there, the arab population of mandated palestine did not have such a national consciousness, as in the entire middle east, it began to arise simultaneously with how it began to arise among them, and when they came to palestine from

with all their ideas and plans, they certainly revived this process, because the people who were close to them, especially the arab intelligentsia, they began to look at them, and well, if you offer this, we also need this, why are we worse than we also need you, not too, but right here for us a state is needed, and you can live among us, huh, that is, in fact, this development of jewish national consciousness led to the development of arab. not even from the point of view that we need an independent state here, but that we need an arab state in the middle east as such, by and large, and jordan was created on a part of mandated palestine, this is also an obvious point, and people, arabs, who lived on the west bank of the jordan river did not understand why they should not be part of jordan, but create some there, to agree with some jewish state, eventually, you know, after the second world war, the united nations, decided on the partition of palestine, it was not the first time that such

an idea arose, it arose before the second world war, but it was not implemented, and later , the jewish national movement adopted this idea. the arab national movement did not accept this idea, and from the point of view of the arab national movement, the arab state should exist in the entire territory of mandated palestine, ugh, and the jews should not be there, then if they want, they can stay there as a national minority, well, i mean, in 1948, this was the idea, in principle , people who came from europe should go to europe, why are they doing it here among us, this is not their land, they have never been here at all there were, this is another version of the story. and the war of 1948 began, and the war of 1948 ended with the fact that israel defended its territory there , which was allocated to it by the united nations, annexed some pieces of territory there, and here is what we call the gas sector and what we call the west bank the jordan river was occupied by egypt and jordan, respectively, and no arab

state was created there, until 67, there was even no talk of it, because both egypt and jordan were not going to give up the counter. in this territory, from the west bank of the jordan river, deputies were even elected to the jordanian parliament, jordan distributed its passports there, yagyp also distributed its passports in the gas sector, and they did not want to know anything about any palestinians, and the palestinians did not want to know anything about themselves. ugh, but they were also organizing raids with the territory of the west bank of the jordan river and the gas sector on the territory of israel, well, to clear this territory of this jewish population, and in these two pieces... of land became a bridgehead for the destruction of israel. in 1967, as you know, there was another war, already the third, if you count the suets war of 1956. and after that, israel took control, occupied the territory of the gas sector and the west bank of the erden river. what are

the arab countries doing? they are currently creating an organization for the liberation of palestine. and they say that the palestinians live here, it is a separate nation. they have the right to statehood, what they did not say for 20 years, they made the main political idea, and this idea turned out to be much more successful than the idea of ​​occupying the territory by egypt and jordan, jordan forgot about the members of the parliament, egypt forgot that he claimed this territory, it's just that we defend the rights of the palestinian arabs, the time of terrorism has begun, also known, constant acts of terrorism, destruction. people, in the end, began to have quite serious problems, when by and large the palestinian national movement began to lose its authority, especially after the peace agreement was signed between israel and egypt, we were now talking about the 50-year anniversary of the doomsday war

, as a result of which completely different processes began, the soviet union began to withdraw from the region, egypt began negotiate with israel, egypt was no longer interested in the gas sector being a center of terrorist activity, and then the arab leaders of palestine decided that they should negotiate with israel, the voslo agreements appeared, which allegedly created the conditions for the creation of two states, arab and jewish. israel agreed to the creation of a palestinian authority, on the west bank of the jordan river in the gas sector, that there will be its own independent government, and this independent government will conduct negotiations with israel on coexistence, to begin with , it recognizes israel's right to exist, because it must be understood that these the arab states that did not sign peace agreements with israel, they do not recognize its right to exist, and in the program of hamas the first point is the destruction

of the jewish state, and in the program of fatah, the party led by mahmoud baz, the leader of the palestinian authority, strangely enough, too, uh, they're not giving up on the idea, no one. nevertheless, the very organization of the palestinian cause became the subject of such a negotiation process. it came to the point that, in principle, it was agreed that there is a road map for the creation of a palestinian state with the capital in east jerusalem, this was agreed upon by the then prime minister of israel, general khutbarak, with sir arafat, and here in the palestinian the national movement was defeated by the idea that arafatov... that if they agree to all this, then one more blow is enough for them to disappear altogether, ugh, or make greater concessions, i don't know what was in their heads there, it started. the palestinian uprising, all these agreements were failed, the right-wing forces have strengthened in israel , the right-wing, they say, there is no need for a palestinian state, well

, we told you that you will not come to an agreement with them, they say, they are centrists and leftists, and so on this is the result, and radical movements like hamas that started have increased in the palestinian movement to say, well, you sign agreements with us and what, and then they give us nothing , and as a result, the situation became radicalized on both sides, and the parliamentary elections that were held in the palestinian authority were won by the hamas movement. hamas is different from all other political parties of the palestinian arabs by the fact that it is a religious movement, uh, radically religious, similar to isis or the islamic state, but at the same time it exploits national such and such nationalist ideas, which is very rare, there are practically no arab parties that work with these two currents together, are either radical religious organizations or national organizations. there is some kind of islamic jihad or an islamic state there, and there is a party of arab-socialist revival that ruled iraq and now

rules syria, but these are secular parties, and here everything is together, and that is why there is so much support for the palestinian street, especially since most of the people are young, they do not differ there, what makes one different from the other, there 60% of the population of gaza, it is younger than 24 years, huh, or. 70 people over 60 have only 2% gas, so you just have to understand, c what is the state of the population, well, the gas sector was actually taken over by hamas after these parliamentary elections, because the fatah party, which currently rules the west bank, prevented hamas from forming a national government, fearing that if it formed a national government, it would will simply destroy all possibilities for the palestinians to create their own state. and so these territories split in half, relatively speaking, in the gaza strip, hamas, the fatah party, and they are, all this

time, trying to create a palestinian government national unity and nothing is working out, in israel they decided, and this was also an obvious mistake, that the current prime minister benjaminho, as you know, has been the prime minister for a long time, that he can somehow deal with this conflict, and that it is even profitable, in one, in one part, one, uh , er, group. governs in another, another, somehow, what kind of state, you first create some kind of government that will govern all parts of your future state, and then we will talk about the state, well, this led to what it led to, let's not take long now describing the political disturbances in israel there, the negotiations among the palestinian factions, it is long, i do not think that our viewers are interested, but here is what is important in this situation, this is what i keep saying to my palestinian colleagues and acquaintances, for the last 30

years, and this is roughly what i have been saying to my armenian colleagues and acquaintances for 30 years, regarding karabakh, well, why did you decide that time is playing against you, you have such positions, they are now strong, well, if we talk about karabakh, you control certain regions of azerbaijan there, control kravo, come to an agreement with them, because there may come a time when you will not be able to agree on anything, because they will prepare to prepare not in order to negotiate with you, if you do not agree for 30 years, but will create such conditions that there will be no with whom to negotiate, well, it seems that they will create some kind of road map about the agreement, where are you, the armenians of azerbaijan, but where is karabakh, where are the armenians of karabakh, what kind of road map, the road map can be between armenia and azerbaijan, and karabakh, in karabakh there are no more armenians no, those people, as i am telling you about the people who were in karabakh, about these 1,000, and once 150, and once 2,000 people who were in karabakh

, where they, they lost all their chances, all of them, although they had, the same situation here too, there was a moment when all the sympathies of the world were on their side palestine liberation organization, uh, it gave up terrorism, they started peace talks with the israelis. the then prime minister of israel krabin reached out to yasser arafat, who was the direct organizer of a series of bloody terrorist acts against israeli civilians. itcha krabin, his minister abroad, shimon peres and yasser arafat became nobel laureates, yasser arafat, by the way, is a nobel peace prize laureate. this is not a joke. imagine now that someone from hamas will be given the nobel prize for the vortex. in such a situation. when you speak from the rostrum of the united nations organization, not just as the leader of the palestinian arabs, you

have every chance to reach a favorable agreement, if you do not agree. you can lose these chances, but igor said that it was enough, that in principle, objective opportunities may arise now for the creation of a palestinian state, may arise, or something completely different may arise, a situation may simply arise when there will be even fewer people who will want to live in these territories at all, the more so, you understand what the system is, you also need to understand that, what is the system, the life of palestinian arabs in general in the territories of arab countries in the gaza strip and on the western bank of the horde river. there are people who always live there in different arab countries and in the gaza strip and on the western bank of the ar river. there are people who left their places of residence in 1948, on the call of your arab leaders who said you

must withdraw to give the arab armies a chance to destroy. jews, ugh, leave yours at home, we will exterminate the jews, because it was a big invasion of a large army, and then you will come back, well, just don't disturb the army, because if there are civilians, how are we going to kill them, conditionally saying, and a huge number of people obeyed, obeyed, many did not obey, these are israeli arabs, they live there, they are citizens of israel, they occupy there are a million of them, as you can see, nothing happens to them, and many listened to what the arab governments did to them, they put them in camps like cages and these people have been living in refugee camps everywhere in lebanon , syria, and jordan since 1948 , in all the arab countries where they managed to get to, they do not give citizenship to them, nor to their children , nor to their grandchildren, that is, you were born in this refugee camp, and you are just like a wild animal and

you have to live on the money that you gives oon. the office of refugee affairs from this territories, and what, how can your fate change, well, let's destroy israel, let's return home to tel aviv without jews, relatively speaking, or there the palestinian administration will agree that you will return home, it doesn't matter, the main thing is, it's interesting what is another thing, there is the gas sector, there are also people who left the sovereign territory of israel since 1948, what do you think. where do they live there, in the refugee camp, there are people who simply live in the gas sector, because they come from the gas sector, and there is a person who is from a neighboring village, but conditionally saying, behind this security fence in 1948, she escaped from this village to the gas sector , she lives in a refugee camp, and she does not have the right to any housing of her own, no, she can, she does not have any rights, she has the right to be

a refugee, and so she can leave somewhere. if she has a chance in america, in england, in the european union, there she will not be a refugee, but she will not receive money from the un, but there this person can be an equal refugee like all other refugees, get refugee status, then get the right to residence, citizenship , and there are a lot of such palestinians, but if you live among the arabs, they keep you simply as a tool to bargain with israel and never treat you as an equal lebanese person. they will not do anything with the syrians and even with the residents of the west bank of the jordan river and the gaza strip. there are huge camps of refugees from the palestinian authority, from the palestinian authority, from mandatory palestine in livno, these are whole cities, but these people do not have lebanese citizenship, they do not pay lebanese

taxes, they do not participate in parliamentary and local elections, they simply receive money from the united nations, they cannot pro... as we are citizens of lebanon, and in the gaza sector as well, and in the west bank of the jordan river as well, none of these people among their arab compatriots does not count as people, and when the president of egypt says that he does not want to let them in, this, if translated from the arabic political language into human, political language, means that he does not want to create piles of refugees because he cannot let them in , to say dear, i can. brothers, who are the same as the people who live in the neighboring cities of egypt, come, we will give you, well, not citizenship, but the right to stay, for everything, and you will live in egypt until you can return to your homes , he says, i don't want to create a refugee camp on the territory of egypt, because i have enough of my