[000:00:00;00] participation in parliamentary and local elections, they just receive money from the united nations, they cannot work as we citizens of lebanon, and in the gas sector as well, and in the west bank of the jordan river as well, these people, no one among their arab compatriots are not considered as people, and when the president of egypt says that he does not want to let them in, this, if translated from the arabic political language. in human political language, means that he does not want to create new refugee camps because he cannot let them in and say, my dear arab brothers, who are the same as people who live in the neighboring cities of egypt, come, we give, well, not citizenship, but the right to stay, for all that, and you will live in egypt until you can return to your homes , he says, i don't want to create a refugee camp on the territory of egypt, because i have enough of my

problems. why do i still have this refugee camp , this is a special story, when the israelis talk to the arabs about solving this problem, they always say, we have refugee camps in the year 48, we have to agree to these refugees returned to the territory of israel, the israelis say, but they sent out all the arab jews, who were about the same number , without property, without money, without anything, just as they stood, they were expelled and we somehow did not turn these people into refugees in the camps , and we just gave them citizenship, they live in israel, and we assimilated them, why don't you assimilate the arabs of mandatory palestine who live among you and the palestinian negotiator, as a rule, they say, what does it matter to us, we expelled these jews , well , if you are talking about it with egypt, with syria, with lebanon, with yemen, all those who expelled, let them give you money, compensation, why are we here, it is not our

problem. and this is a dead end, because many people cannot understand this, that any talk about the creation of two states is always faced with one problem: the arabs do not want to create any states, uh, until the moment when the problem of these refugees is solved, who left the territory of israel itself, if you imagine both these and people who pass the refugee status as an inheritance to their own to my great-grandchildren, although in fact there is no one else there with anyone and anywhere, i am a refugee, but my children were born in lebanon, my grandchildren were born in lebanon, they have never been to these lands, they speak the dialects of the arabic language that are used in livno, these are my grandchildren, they live in the gas sector, all their lives, we have never been there, well no, we have to be here, and you understand that this is a huge problem, because even if you imagine a solution to this problem, it will mean that

the jewish state disappears from the political map world, well, when this argument is heard in the negotiations, then another argument appears , well, what's the difference, there will be a state for everyone, as we wanted, why do you need a jewish state, there will be a state of arabs, jews, a secular state, everyone will respect, well, these arguments, they sound very interesting , against the background of what has happened since now, because everyone understands that this is exclusively, if it is not politically correct to say that this is talk of the teeth, in fact, the idea is just very simple. which is expressed in a simple and elementary slogan, throw the jews into the plague, well, somehow of course, i would like to do this, but the wars have not yet produced the results that the arab governments were hoping for, and therefore, and that is why the governments of the arab countries are more and more inclined to the idea that it is necessary to find some kind of peaceful coexistence with israel and then

decide on... the palestinian problem, perhaps by absorbing palestinian refugees in arab countries, these can be different approaches, but here there is iran, which does not want all this, and iran gives money to its proxy armies, hamas in the palestinian authority or, hezbollah in lebanon, because i understand that time is also running out, and that if israel reaches an agreement with saudi arabia, then in fact this story has failed. agreement between israel and saudi arabia, then this will be the end of radicalism, and the end of radicalism means that there is virtually no chance for iran to increase its influence in the middle east, and iran is using the current iran, this whole history, to be the main state of the region, and this is another player that never existed before, because the iran that was before the islamic revolution, it generally had good

relations with israel and believed that this problem should be resolved through negotiations, so iran, let's say, believes that relations between azerbaijan and armenia should be resolved, roughly the role shah's iran played in the middle east. so now, i'll tell you. all these circumstances, which show that the situation is at a dead end, but i still believe that the palestinians are wasting time, that it will end in the fact that they will not have any state, because first of all they are strengthening the positions of their own radicals, and so thus creating an opportunity for israel more and more to displace the radicals and their supporters from the territories, ugh, which means the population, well, this is real, one must also not speak politically correct, and secondly, they are just wasting time, because the israeli right-wing will create more and more settlements in the territory the very west bank of the jordan river, and there the demographic balance is changing. here, too, there is a very important point that must

also be understood. yasser arafat once believed that, and he spoke about it openly, that the main weapon of the palestinians is not terror, but the womb of a palestinian woman, that there will simply be so many palestinians that... there will be no problem for them to simply flood the sea and the population, this did not happen, because the arabs of the west bank of the jordan river and the arabs of israel live now as a middle-class european people, they do not have high birth rate, high birth rate only in the gas sector, the jews of israel also have a low birth rate, but there are two population groups in which the birth rate is extremely high, these are arabs in the gas sector and religious jews. in which 8-10 children are born, this means that the very nature of israeli society is changing, ugh, it means those jews, liberals who lived there in the 40s and 50s, by the way, these are the people who

are developing the country, who want to negotiate with the arabs , these are the people whose heads were cut off, by the way, the hamasites, because these are the people who live in these kibbutzim on the border with the gaza strip, these are people of leftist beliefs, liberals who always wanted to come to an agreement there, there are fewer and fewer of them, religious jews who they do not understand at all why they should negotiate with people whom the lord does not have on this earth settled, ugh, it is becoming more and more, if this story continues for another 20-30 years, the window for the palestinian arabs will close for good, just as it closed for the karabakh armenians, well , there will simply be some other solution, some piece of territory will be annexed to egypt, a piece territory will be annexed to jordan, a piece of territory will remain with israel, there will be an international conference, no one will remember that there were some people who identified themselves as palestinians, of course, it can

be assumed that, well, that's fine, then we will kill all of you and you will solve this problem sooner, i think not, i think the chance was lost, very seriously, i'm sorry, i say it again, because i've just uh, all my life i 've been a fan of the idea of ​​the coexistence of these two states. i don't see any big problems for an arab state to exist in those territories where the majority of the population, the arabs , coexist with a state where the majority of the population is jews, israel. the first step towards this was taken when all israeli troops took and left the gas sector, and there eliminated these palestinian settlements, which were, what happened the next day, the arabs. gas sector, they burned all the tables, growing flowers and vegetables there, which was invested by human labor, and after a certain time they started shelling israel with rockets and so on from this territory, so when they say,

oh, you know, here i read again, about this palestinian activist of the left, oh, the natives broke through the fence, but you don't have any fence, you have a sea there, an area with a large sea coast, if you haven't been b supporters of a terrorist organization, you could make a model for all palestinians in this territory, show, you see, what happens if there are no israeli troops, we have a port here, we have trade here, we have development here, we have skyscrapers here, in the second is israel, the second is the arab emirates, the second is egypt, and over there on the west bank of the jordan river, where the israeli troops are stationed, the confrontation, the decline, the struggle between the israeli settlers and the arab population, instead of making this model, what have we decided , we decided we let's make a model and we will, and why can't they make this model, i'll tell you why, because the idea of ​​every such, hamas supporter is that he wants to live in

the gas sector, he wants to live in tel aviv, in haifa , in ashkelon and in the houses that were built, in the houses that were built by the jews, to use the skyscrapers that were built by the jews, and not only the jews, the jews and the israeli arabs, why the jews, and once again... a million arabs, this state and the state israel was built both by the labor of jews and by the labor of arabs, it is not necessary either here, get up on, you know, on the edge position. of the radical political parties of israel, what do you think that a million people do not build a country, of course they do, but even if the majority there are six or 7 million, still these houses were built by workers, both of jewish and arab origin, and people who came to work from the gas sector and from the west bank, everyone did it, the idea is not about who builds them, the idea is that they want there to be no jews in these houses, and this is not

some theory, i i remember how i studied with natives of the palestinian territories at the faculty of journalism, and we sat and looked at this map and looked at where it should be, where it should be, and here some of the boys always said, welcome, stop worrying about the map, i am my grandfather, grandmother from jaffa, huh, and i want to live in tel aviv, where there will be no jews, and i said, why in tel aviv, well, live for yourself. in jaffa, where your grandparents lived, uh, no, because jaffa is bad, there are small houses, there are old buildings, i want in those modern houses, i saw them, you, well, this there were times when i didn't see israel, but they saw, there are beautiful houses, we just need to expel the jews, how to proceed with a dialogue, it is difficult to conduct a dialogue, because it is a private dialogue, and i perfectly understood that if we talk like this in private,

we are the same age, they tell me everything frankly, then... then the question arises, very simple, and what we hear at the political negotiations, of course there are many sober-minded political palestinian politicians, they would like to agree on all this, they would like to create a state, but they are not supported by palestine the street, it turns out that they are supported by the palestinian street only when they start saying nothing, we are here... don't worry, we are in agreement, but we will destroy israel for sure. and this is where we leave, enter this dead end. and i believe that this impasse, it is certainly dangerous, but it helps, not the palestinian arabs, but the israelis, as a jew, i should be happy about it, but as a person who nevertheless adheres to humanistic views and believes that every nation has a place under the sun, i am not happy about it, i have a deep feeling

sorrow. about the fact that the arabs of palestine cannot realize their national potential, because they are in captivity, held hostage by radical views, and that they support bandits and murderers, and that they do not even have the strength, no one, no who should condemn the murder of poor residents, gas, no one, no arab government, with the exception, it seems, of the government of the united arab emirates, no one. said: yes, we support the right of the palestinians to establish their own state, however, if this right is for the account of cutting off the heads of children, babies, we don't support that, so if it's not there, if the people who go to the pro-palestinian demonstrations don't say it , then clearly, these demonstrations should be ignored, because they are essentially echoes of the holocaust, ugh, the people who come out to these demonstrations, they are descendants whose hands are in jewish blood, just in europe, and

it absolutely does not matter under what pretext they come out, they just have the realization of everything that brought their grandfathers and grandmother to the ovens of auschwitz and made them from a great distance, i would say from france to russia, accomplices of one of the greatest crimes in the history of mankind, and the arab countries, which do not express any... uh, no sentiments about this either are the kind of security states that can be hoped for, and here we are again , many decades back, in 1948, when the jewish state believed that it could stand only if it was strong, not just because it could negotiate with , by their arab neighbors, and this is a dangerous moment, well, by the way, we are not going through such a dangerous moment here, we also had illusions that we could come to an agreement with russia, that's fine.

history itself, and of course there were always among us those people who believed that it was possible to come to an agreement with russia, and here i look like a right-wing israeli politician, i need to be sharpened, well, because i always said: no, you will not come to an agreement, everyone your wishes to negotiate will lead to the fact that your head will be cut off, they said, it is figurative, no, not figurative, just your head and your body will lie in the grave separately, not figuratively, literally, and everyone thought it was absolutely crazy, about the way that right-wing israeli politicians in israel are treated , well, they were treated at this point, and this is such a difficult situation for me that when i speak about israel, i speak as a liberal politician. and when i speak about ukraine, i speak as a right-wing politician, because i absolutely have a clear understanding that ukrainians have no historical chance to come to an agreement with russia, to end the war, that they, or they will be able to fight back from this, or as a nation, they will disappear, well they will disappear, just like the jews will disappear, if they do not fend off this whole

terrorist danger, israel has already done a lot, because it fought back from egypt, from syria, from jordan, from iraq, from... it remains only to decide the problem with palestinian terrorism, not with the palestinians, but with palestinian terrorism, and the problem of iran, and that will be all, so to speak, in simple language, close the gesheft, and there is not much left of ukraine, but listen, there is no such thing as russian terrorism, as if there is none, and that russia is not behaving as a terrorist state, we live with you in the world, look, there are, then it means that there are good russians, no, wait, of course there are, the very idea that there are no normal ones... russians are the same idea, if there are no normal palestinians, this is pure nazism, i apologize, yes, the ideology of nazism is so beautiful, i know that it is perceived by many ukrainians, i understand people who simply want to see the world that way, but it is not necessary , ideologically, you have to call a spade a spade, so, a person says that all palestinians must be exterminated, or all jews

it is necessary to destroy, or all russians must be destroyed, this is nazism, but that is not what i am talking about, there is a question of the people's responsibility, there is a question of the characteristics of the state, here... mas is a terrorist organization, ugh, which wants to solve problems by killing civilians, and which has acquired all the characteristics of a terrorist state , ugh, and russia is a terrorist state, which believes that all problems can be solved by killing civilians, and which has all the characteristics of a terrorist organization, why was president biden able unite russia and hamas, that it is the same thing, and so when you ask, what do you mean, which good and bad russians should be united to negotiate with, there is the government of the russian federation, there is the president of the russian federation, vladimir vladimirovich putin, who is supported the vast majority of the citizens of the russian federation, they will vote for him, i assure you that if there were fair and competitive elections now, they would also

vote for him for one simple reason, he finally solves the problem of the territorial integrity of the country, as they imagine, from uzhhorod to shkhabad, there are people in russia who have different views. someone believes that russia can solve this problem of territorial integrity exclusively by political and economic means. some people believe that russia should exist within the borders of the russian federation, and build relations with ukraine and other former soviet republics as ordinary independent states, we have also seen a lot of such people, they are just not the majority. they do not decide how to act. the russian state, if they are ever in power in this country, c why i doubt it, we can agree on everything with them, the question is whether ukraine will exist at this moment if we wait for them to come to power, and we agreed with them if we wait

for them to come to the authorities, we will all simply be burned by this time and the state will be eliminated, well, not only we are waiting , the world is also somehow waiting, the world, er, expects to solve this problem, the ukrainian problem, without a nuclear war, this means that or understand whether the problem of territorial integrity of sovereignty can be solved ukraine without a nuclear war, or what must be sacrificed to prevent a nuclear war, to be completely cynical, well, if we have a nuclear war on one scale and ukraine on the other, then we probably still think that it is better for us to leave... half of ukraine, but also so that there would be no nuclear war, if we are there, we will all be burned, no, not all of us, but those who, those who will remain on this part of the territory before russia will rule, and those , who will move to this territory, will live in ukraine, but again, it is a question of how many will remain, and

other things, these are all figurative questions, while the world does not have such, such a choice, ugh , because nuclear war remains a theory, and therefore the world is doing everything to restore our territorial integrity, otherwise we would not be attacked. f16, this is not for fun, it is not for children, it is just a weapon so that we can either restore territorial integrity or, if you want, conclude an effective truce with moscow, these are now these talks with china, so that china will press russia , there are no such talks, china will not put pressure on russia, these are all childish conversations, china is interested in this war being as long as possible, so that russia wins in it, where do these childish ideas come from, that china should put pressure on russia, why? russia is exhausting the west, russia is proving that an authoritarian regime can be effective, russia can maintain relations with iran that do not compromise china. why does china put pressure on russia, explain to me? well, then why are the european union and the united states calling on china to do this. we can also

call with you. the european union and the united states are building their own relations with china people's republic because the people's republic of china is an economic superpower. because the united states has long been ensnared by the economy of the people's republic of china. and, if they refuse the economic services of the people's republic of china, then the western economy will simply disappear in 48, we will have to build anew, well, we didn't make this up , as you know, vladimir lenin said that a capitalist can sell you this matuzka , on which you will hang him, that is, western capitalism and its relationship with chinese capitalism people's republic, this same story took place, we always believed that lenin was exaggerating, but he did not exaggerate in the case of china, he just probably did not when he wrote it, did not understand that there could be a communist state with a market economy, but now we understand it appeared before our eyes, it was not there, so... when we see the meeting between sidzempin and putin, we do not think how china will press the russian federation, this is

a wrong way of thinking, we should try to understand where another war will start, if they met, definitely not for for someone to put pressure on someone, and to agree whether there will be a war in korea , whether china will attack taiwan, or whether there will be something else, because this is the globalization of the conflict, we are only on the threshold of real big ones, the death of a large number of people, it hasn't started yet, it's going to start, we're still going to witness it, the ukrainian war, it's a warm-up for the real war, so i think when they meet, they talk about it, and that's what president biden has to meetpinna, what sydzenpina has be such a portfolio with files, where he will show that this will be here, here , here, here and here and he can dim a little here, dim a little here, a little, but for that he needs this, that, that and that. and of course, in this situation, he can protect the interests of his allies, the president, putin, ayatala, khamaniya, kimchanin, because this is a struggle,

a real global war between democracies and dictatorships, this is the third world war, it is already underway, the only question is , when it will enter the phase of heated confrontation in many parts of the world, and will it be with nuclear component, this is the most interesting thing, because then we will be able to count the victims not by tens and hundreds of thousands, but by millions. everything else, the mechanism has already been started, it is already working , and by the way, when i told all this bridziatsina at the beginning of the russian-ukrainian war, no one believed it, but now there is a near east, it’s true, and now i can, again, i said that in principle, i also told you that i had already described this war geographically as an israeli one back in march 2020, so well, after israel, who is next may be the far east. let's see what will happen with the south caucasus, i really hope that president erdoğan and

president aliyev are people who have common sense, now a lot depends on them, if they refrain from a new conflict in the south caucasus, they will by and large slow down this process, well, it is very important, but you have no idea what great importance the southeast has, now the main politician of the modern world is ilham aliyev. if he gets and finds opportunities to sign some kind of peace agreement with armenia, or not to sign a peace agreement with armenia, but to make some kind of corridor to the invasion not through armenia, but through iran, and simply leave armenia there in peace, let it talk about its economy and its problems there, this will be a huge blow to the positions , putin and sydzenpin. mr. vitaly, we have six minutes left, i'm just afraid that our viewers will go drink some sedative or something like that after this, some positive whoever gets into this mess first,

he can come out with a better result, yeah, that is, we have a winning position, we have the position that we can localize the conflict in this situation, it will be localized, because no one is interested in the fact that the conflict in ukraine was growing, and then we have chances, by and large, so what everyone will be needed , somehow to protect europe from the further spread of conflicts, to relocate at a certain moment, it will still be... big problems and big sacrifices , both human, economic and so on, but we can get into the audience box. the main task of any country and any nation in these years the next 30 years of the 21st century, to get into the globe-gazing box. this is actually what the ukrainians are fighting for, what the israelis are fighting for. so that we watch the next phases of this conflict from the audience box, because now we are on the stage, we are being fired upon, we are being killed, we are being destroyed. our neighbors are there from the countries of central europe, they look at it, they sympathize, help,

consider it in loornet, ugh, and we also need to sit down. take the lord and consider others, we will then have wonderful programs with you, let's not be interrupted by the sirens, you know, the best broadcast that there is now, it's israeli-ukrainian, when a person says, oh , you know, to me, we're broadcasting from a bomb shelter, a person from ukraine says, and a person from israel says: "oh, i will now come to the bomb shelter and we will continue, so we have to get out of this bomb shelter into a world where there are no bomb shelters, where there are no sirens, and understand that others will have them, so what, that is the task, so what. to drink, not to drink, well , that's how it is, that's how the world looks, you can drink, i don't know, vodka, is it calming, i'm better it's calming, better than vodka, i didn't mean it as an advertisement, because you have to keep a certain, healthy sense of humor, but you have to understand that we already live in such a world, well, it won't be any different, you can't change the world, you know, just

by imagining some children's pictures. complex world, it will be better, in 30-40 years democracies will win over dictatorships , that is, in 30-40 years we will move to this spectator box, no, we will move to this spectator box in the next two, three or four years, because the war of high intensity will be replaced by a war of low intensity, and even if this war does not end with some kind of truce in the nearest year or two , in any case a low-intensity war, given that the dictatorships will have other interests, it will give us the opportunity to reduce the number of casualties and start... developing, it's the worst option we have, uh, the worst option, except , i mean, the best option is peace, and the worst option is war, low intensity, you know that's impossible if you have a chess game on different boards, with a large number of weapons to ensure a single conflict, even on

such a large stretched, fragmented front, no, russia will definitely get involved somewhere else, ugh, this, strength, power, strength is not there, but there is a need, because this regime will not last otherwise, and they can get involved the way they are getting involved now , helping hamas, helping someone else, but you understand that it's still iron, it's shells, it's missiles, it 's drones, if russia and iran are doing it, well, they're not, not even china, i'm sorry, china anyway will be cautious about this, and north korea, if the conflict stretches across different places, then this reduces the level of conflict here, and therefore, on the one hand, the globalization of the conflict, it is very dangerous, and on the other hand, it localizes the conflict, we need to fight for the localization of the conflict here and the globalization of the world world conflicts will help to localize it, well, it's all simple, that's why a lot

who says that oh, then they will forget about us, nobody will forget about us, but russia will not have the strength, this multi-pronged game, because it simply will not have economic opportunities then, so i say that either me, which i do not really believe, but it will not be happy for us, and it will be already next year, or a war of low intensity , which will give us the opportunity to even hope for the restoration of territorial integrity in the future, but this is a war of high intensity, it will most likely take place there a little later, we will have someone to conduct this war low intensity? well, low intensity will have someone to lead, because it is not a small number of victims of low intensity wine, approximately what it was, ato, of course, and given that we are now much better technically armed, we have modern western weapons, we have, there was nothing there then, so of course we can minimize the number of victims to the israeli one, to zero, i mean, when

the line is just going, let's build fences, let's be technological... e communications, we will track them from satellites, we will live like this, although we would like to live in peace , but to be optimistic, i want to wish all our citizens who are watching us and the israelis who will watch there one day, that we all live in peace, this my desire, but as a political analyst i am forced to list different ones options, it's just work, thank you oles , dear viewers have prepared you for the worst, let's hope for the best, thank you for being with us, thank you mr. vitaly. for your predictions, the forester, vitaly fortnikov, and the saturday political club, thank you for

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