[000:00:00;00] turn to those who can provide this help, because the second, you know, there is a story that reminds everyone of the well-known tv series servant of the people, there were also dreams about the shooting of the parliament, well, maybe it comes from somewhere, but really it is more about the help of specialists, maybe she decided to ask after the vote to ban the russian orthodox church in ukraine, well, at least get the ice off the chair, you know, we'll talk about it now, but already in principle. quite a few experts said that this is not even the first step, but half a step, but at least they have been done, i.e as if there is nothing to wish for death in this context, but here really, this is a document that has been voted on in the first reading, yes, that is, it may actually still have amendments that will either make it more if, so to speak, usable, in such a way that it can be used better , or on the contrary, they will make it even more toothless

, which on... this document is, if it in this form will eventually become a law, which it provides tools for , not i know, to fight against the presence of the branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, the russian orthodox church churches, yes, he foresees three steps, first , for what, in order to ban religious organizations that have their center in a state that is recognized as an aggressor, well, as of now, it is russia. so the first step, as it seems to us, is quite excessive and redundant, is to conduct another examination that would establish such a connection. why the upper part? because in january of the 19th year , the then ministry of culture conducted an examination at the request of the law on renaming, yes, he clearly established the connection. now this year, already on the 23rd, in

january, the state service on ethnopo and freedom of conscience to implement the decision of the national security council, they also conducted an examination and all the conclusions were confirmed, despite all the assurances of the ukrainian orthodox church that it is not the mpp, the connection was clearly established, because there it is written in black and white in the statute that they are connected with another orthodox through the russian orthodox church , yes, translating into human ordinary secular language, this is simply establishing a connection, perhaps the most important for church... organizations, and here we are asked to conduct another examination, about the fact that there the sky is blue, the grass is green, the uoc, this mp. the second step, after that, des, the state, this service of ethnopolitics and freedom of conscience, must give a prescription, that is, theoretically, this church can take some steps there, break relations with kirill, add something

to its charter there, and then it will a new examination was conducted, but the fact is that even with des officials, they say that they do not have any leverage in order to exert influence, that is, if they write an order, the order will be ignored, or the order will be challenged in court, and that's okay, we're on the laurels we see how this nothing actually happens for months, or god forbid, for years , well, and even the third, actually then, if it is ignored there or simply imitated there, then the state, i understand in the person of des, goes to court and there he already proves in court that it is indeed the church of the moscow patriarchate and, accordingly, cannot act on the territory of ukraine, and the court is the first instance, then an appeal, then a possible cassation, this law, which i mentioned about the name change, was enacted in december 18

was adopted in the 19th year appealed, and just this year, the appeals court made a final decision that it complies with the constitution, laws , practices, and so on, and the constitutional court in parallel in december of last year, it will be a year soon, as it said that it is constitutional, that is, see from the 19th to the 22nd, the 23rd years passed before it was completed, that is exactly what leads both the experts and many of us politicians to the point that it still needs to be changed, after all, more needs to be done... effective provisions of this law are the draft law, 8221, which was submitted by european solidarity, what is often called the knyazhytsky bill, in addition to european solidarity, there are also co-authors from other factions who share the intention that the moscow church should not be here, this bill was passed by the profile committee also unanimously, except for the fifth column there, it was supported , therefore , we will propose to transfer many provisions of this bill

to otoi, which was adopted in the first reading, primarily, it concerns the unconditional prohibition of the moscow church and its structural subdivisions, and secondly, all issues in the orthodox community must... be resolved in accordance with the tomos issued in january 19, everything is written there very clearly, and then already these churches can agree among themselves on some transitional periods, ways of coexistence, and co-service and so on and the like, this is already a really healthy approach, when the state has clearly drawn the border, clearly cut off the russian world with its tentacles, and believers, representatives of the churches will calmly come to an agreement here in ukraine, let them live on, that is what we will actually propose to our colleagues go out. mr. rostyslav, why was it somehow so far away to come and put this cabinet bill to a vote, when there are others, as you say, more effective, which

more clearly, in fact, put the russian orthodox church or the ukrainian orthodox church in its place as a branch of the russian orthodox church. you know, it seems to me that the answer is somewhere the same, why. the processes around the lavra take so long, why are the processes of expropriation of property and property of the moscow church slowed down in the regions, why does it depend a lot on the personality of the officials, how actively are the transitions going, when the communities want to their church community has switched to the orthodox church of ukraine, and local officials, where they take a statist position, it happens quite quickly , otherwise it also drags on for months and years, it seems to me that a lot of people in power think that somehow they they will still get along with the moscow church, convince them to support the order of things and the status

quo, and therefore try not to overdo it. the second story, probably sociologists tell them that quite a lot of those who support the current government, they at one time voted for what the difference is, it is not necessary to interfere because this is still the ukrainian church, sorry for such broken russian on the air, but unfortunately, this is the way, the conviction that we hear very well, especially in the places, especially regarding just such groups of voters who, instead of calmly explaining what the situation really is, try to flirt with them and not push them away, although the honest position here would be to tell what the matter is and that there are no complaints... to specific priests, unless they don't have any sbu claims against them, for example, yes, no complaints about how they pray, who perform rituals and so on, but there is only one question, that this cannot be a russian church,

i think, in such a way, in such a representation, many would support even those who said the difference between the ukrainian church, it seems to me that there is a certain exchange of concepts , they do not want to work and follow the path of least resistance, but to me... it seems to me that there is such a combination of reasons, and the third, of course, is that the moscow church itself pity let a very deep chastisement, both in places and in center, we hear how many adherents of this church are in power, we saw in the end, even during the adoption of this government bill in the first reading, these battles, these cries, even with a checkmate, it is difficult for me to understand how such an apparent deep orthodoxy and such a very black mat that sounded, on the air, when it was directed at the opponents , therefore, here, this entrenchment, yes, it must also be fought with, clarification, so maybe i am explaining a little too long, i apologize, but i

it seems that you need to be very careful here it is also necessary to clarify, well, maybe a person first got mad, and then went and confessed somewhere there before you will not sin, you will not repent, another bill that also made noise this week, about pep - politically significant persons, but it has already been voted on as a whole and there were a lot of comments about this draft law about the fact that there are such draconian restrictions for people who will later go to the civil service and all their relatives will have there are problems with that, because they will report who they are, what they are, where they got some hryvnia, why they are going, change 100 dollars, where they got the 100 dollars, and so on. mr. rostyslav, what do you think of this law and why is it there, or did the international

community really demand it from ukraine in this form? you know, this situation with this law has opened up some very serious problems, in fact, how our politics in the state is organized now, because , well, personally, i and my colleagues could be involved in conversations and negotiations, only at the stage when we were spoken to ... you know, that's right leaning back in the chair, putting the coffee in front of me and saying, come on, you can not take it, we will drink the coffee in a year, and then i can return it. you have time, though, you know, with such a certain black irony , realizing that every day is bought by the life and health of our defenders, so unfortunately, it is really when the authorities have already begun to allow conversations not only of their own representatives, well, it seems that it was already too late to change something and it really sounded like an ultimate demand, which is why we were forced to support such a decision, realizing that here the battle has been lost, but in order to be able to continue and keep this process

under control, everything must be done to start negotiations on joining the european union, and even during these negotiations, it will depend a lot on how professional the team will be negotiators, i really want this situation to be a lesson for the authorities, and i also emphasize, and society should keep this issue under very high attention, because when the negotiations with the european union begin, there will be... issues that concern not only the highest officials or deputies, but also issues that will concern employers, issues that will concern the economy, various trade quotas and so on and the like, that is, what will concern every ukrainian, and therefore will depend very much on how professionally they will behave behave negotiators, because at one time poland trained about 300 professional negotiators at various levels, and entered, if not on its own terms, then by keeping all... critical

issues for their national interests, this is the way it has go to ukraine, and it’s enough to play with special effects, it’s enough to blow your lips and talk about how who has dined on whom , it’s definitely not about that, it’s an absolutely pragmatic, serious and professional conversation, and that’s exactly the kind of conversation negotiators should have, and this it should definitely be a matter not only of officials from mozhanov, but also of all those who are capable of doing it in ukraine, regardless of political parties, whether they are politicians or representatives of civil society, experts, it should be a joint matter, you know, oleg dundo, recently here on our air, i jokingly said, that there are so-called servants of the people, well, they say that they did not really support the idea of ​​banning the uocp, because then there would only be one ocu, and the ptu is, as it were , poroshenko's church, and i was surprised that he was not even that, who did not laugh, he almost took it completely seriously and said that this could be the reason for the idea... the creation of a second transitional church would be good,

if there was also another transitional church, i said, maybe we can call it, for example, zpu, the orthodox church of ukraine, well, somehow he didn't laugh either, this one scared me a little reaction, well, but, you know, briefly, if briefly, because we don’t have enough already, very briefly, this is just a strong indication of professionalism and the fact that it is necessary to be professionals in every case, so that there are no such ones, we started with you the conversation about the survey by maryana bezugli, let's end the conversation with a survey too, because while she, yes, she did a new survey, she asked whether people wanted the death of people's elected officials, now she asks whether you want the nerds of the current convocation to sit in prison , that's where people vote, there are options, yes, all to one, the majority yes, but there are normal ones, only the majority are normal, i don’t judge to draw such conclusions, 58% voted for the majority, so that the majority sits, i just don’t know, just

a majority or a monomajority, where is the clarification, but there is such an option that the majority is yes, but there are also normal ones, so i don't know what people voted for, for the first part or for the second , thank you, rostyslav pavlenko, people 's deputy of ukraine, was with us, thank you to our viewers who were with us, andriy saichuk, leisya kulyuk worked in this studio for you, i will see you in a week, andriy will see you tomorrow, papa, they caught a virus, faith has faith in dekasan, inhaled dekasan gets into the lungs, where the virus, dekasan works, faith is happy, dekasan is an inhalation against viruses and bacteria, and dekasan is also indicated for angina, dekasan, inhaled antiseptic, why am i here, i have sensitive teeth, eating ice cream hurts, cold air hurts, sweets hurt. the dentist diluted lacal sensitive, which effectively reduces tooth sensitivity. if i had known lacalot sensitive earlier, i would not have had to come here at all. lacalot sensitive hope protection against pain. i flew, flew, and the cough stopped me. cough is a symptom

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enemy propaganda turns people into obedient zombies. residents of the ldnr plan to vote for the historic reunification. let's counter information. russians in the chronicles of information war project with olga len. tuesday, thursday, friday at 17:10 on espresso tv channel. good evening, you are on on the espresso channel, i'm yehor checherinda, and today we have an unusual special guest, andriy yusov, a representative of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense. mr. andrii, i congratulate you. congratulations. let's start with the situation on the fronts of the russian-ukrainian war, which is of interest to all of us ukrainian citizens , during the last two weeks there has been a lot of information about the fact that the enemy has become more active, that he is advancing on avdiivka, that he is advancing on orykhiv, are they capable ukrainian

defense forces to hold back this offensive, and what the plans of the enemy, what the main intelligence agency knows about them, well, you and i see that the ukrainian defenders are restraining, attacking... the actions of the enemy, and yes, the situation, in particular in the avdiyiv direction, is difficult, but the enemy is suffering great losses in manpower in equipment, and there was information about the intensification of offensive actions on their part, and accordingly, different scenarios were worked out, and the ukrainian defenders, the command are ready for such things, and of course, it is always difficult, the one who will tell that these attacks will be wrong. .. very easy, not easy, but the ukrainians hold the defense, hold the lines, and the enemy, i will repeat once again, suffers unreasonably high losses for himself, not fulfilling the assigned tasks, and well, actually returning to tactics and the same personal assaults and losses

of equipment, significant for them, at the same time, in addition to those actually coming from the side of the enemy, the ukrainian security and defense forces continue active actions, continue to liberate the territory and advance, including in certain areas of the front, according to the general plan and design, well avdiivka is essentially the gateway to donetsk, for the liberation of ukrainian donetsk region, how important is this settlement and how important is the defense of this settlement for us, the defense of any ukrainian settlement is extremely important, because any settlement that is , it was necessary before, let's say, from which it was necessary to withdraw, it is much more difficult to return it and win it back, and the price for this is much higher than maintaining the defense, so we cannot draw any parallels here and say that here is this settlement

important, and this is unimportant, every piece of ukrainian land is important, and already today it is covered with ukrainian blood... and our defenders and civilians, but yes, avdiivka, it really does matter, and actually, not for the first time, another escalation and another teams from the occupiers, already from the military and political leadership, to the occupation corps, they say to go to the administrations of the donetsk and luhansk regions, well, in the end even from the moment of the full-scale invasion, such plans have already been made more than once, they have been subject to delays, and now we are seeing another aggravation, mr. andriy, and this week another shelling of my native zaporozhye, unfortunately, civilians are dying under the rubble of buildings right in the center of the city, but as far as i know, i have many relatives, close friends, and acquaintances there, well, people are not are leaving zaporizhzhia, they are working, they

are not afraid, they are doing everything to win, what is happening in the south now, to what extent can these shellings become more active at frontline towns? not only zaporizhzhia, but also orikhov, in particular, this little nut of ours, which is holding on there and did not surrender to the enemy territory unfortunately, these terrorist attacks by the russian nazis do not stop, it is clear that it is especially difficult in those front-line cities and territories, communities, and where the same s-300s are hitting, for example, i am not talking about direct artillery volumes, if it is directly on the line is located, and therefore so. such threats persist, at the same time, ukrainians, first of all, the entire ukrainian society holds on, maintains defense, maintains unity and believes in victory, and it is very important that, along with the fact that it is difficult, such

cities such as kharkiv, zaporizhzhia, dnipro, are not just holding on, and are living a full life and making a huge contribution to the defense of ukraine , and of course, we are on the eve of a severe winter, we can now observe a certain pause in fact with massive missile attacks, which means that the enemy is accumulating a missile arsenal, and so these possible terrorist missile attacks by the russian nazis on the energy infrastructure again during the cold season, this is not secret information, it means that ukraine is also preparing both independently and with the help our partners and these issues are worked out and discussed. well, returning to our energy security, yes, just the other day, the ukrainian president mentioned in his address that we should prepare both local self-government bodies and energy campaigns for subsidiary networks for the winter, which will not be easy, what do you think this winter will be like light and warmth, if compared to the past, well, it's not about

feelings, there is even open information, and after all, some data that is obtained in a different way, a full-scale war is going on, going on clashes along the entire front line, the enemy has not changed either his tactics or any of his goals and priorities, we are dealing with an enemy who... regularly attacks civilian infrastructure and actually causes the most destruction of victims despite some fairy tales and delusions about demilitarization and so on, rash attacks occur primarily on civilian infrastructure and losses primarily among the civilian population, so it is quite logical to expect and prepare for the continuation of such strikes this winter, but... er, this means that we are also preparing, getting new means and

we are getting new opportunities for countermeasures, including, as was announced by the military and political leadership, if such strikes are carried out, it means that there will definitely be retaliation, but i will talk about retaliation a little later, we will return to this topic, i would like to ask you about the situation on the front line, about information hygiene, hygiene, since a lot of information is spread through various, semi-anonymous, or simply anonymous telegram channels, i myself receive from there my relatives who are closer to the line live on the front lines, in particular in donetsk region, who send me screenshots of the front lines , where the russians are attacking, attacking, and the russians have gone on the offensive along the entire front line, and people are asking if this is true, how to tell the ukrainians, to convince them that it is necessary to trust not only official channels of communication , in particular the telegram channel of your main intelligence department, the ministry of the general staff, and not anonymous sources, which are sometimes filled with content written

somewhere on the territory of the enemy. well, first of all, yes, once again, it is not true, they did not go on the offensive along the entire front line, and in order to repeat the large-scale offensive that we saw on february 24, 2022, the occupiers do not have the necessary forces and means today, and the activities that take place in certain areas of the front carry really local... character, after all, they themselves and publicly talk about strategic defense , that is, first of all, trying to hold back what they have accumulated as of today, if we talk about information hygiene, well, repeated repetition, well, what else can we do here, repeat once once we trust only verified sources, or official sources, if we are talking about platforms, pages, sites, social networks , official structures, the center for combating disinformation, the communication center, the main intelligence department of the sbu, the office of the president, please, we can list, stratkom

of the armed forces of ukraine, of course, other official information platforms, where accurate information can be referred to, which can be analyzed accordingly and on the basis of which conclusions can be drawn, everything else is one way or another, especially when it comes to anonymous russian-speaking sources sources, it is clear to whom it is easier to prepare such products, the products for which the audience is calculated, are often really prepared as promotions, measures to influence ukraine and ukrainians with the aim of sowing panic , destabilizing the situation, misleading, the enemy is not sleeping, of course, and after all, we are working , also in this direction, it would be naive to think that the russian special services will not use such tools, so yes, only reputable media that can be trusted, in particular espresso. yes, official platforms can and should be analyzed, and of course, out of curiosity, you can certainly

watch various things, but understand that if news is being made for you. for example, putin has determined exactly the date and time of the detonation of the zaporizhzhia station, as it happened recently, and with reference to anonymous channels, well, sorry, there is no source, there is no information, there is nothing to talk about, well, you know, about the analysis of these information sources, among other things from that line, from that side of the front, the russians, it is meant, interesting information, it seems that it is analysts of the american institute for the study of war, which we often quote, they monitored the russian media and in relation to putin, precisely in relation to avdiivka, where the rhetoric, our american partners state, has changed after putin. if earlier it was about an offensive, now putin says that our troops, that is, the russian occupiers, are conducting active defensive, successful defensive actions. so, well, this story about a full-scale offensive, it was definitely an ipso, well, this is my, so to speak, my assumption, after their conditional volunteers announced a public collection for packages for

two hundred rashists, i think that there are further for... putin should be perceived in that way. indeed, they have great losses both in equipment and in manpower. indeed, individual units refuse to go on an assault and try to avoid their role and fate as cannon fodder. that is, in fact , these tasks, well, they don't have the resources today to fulfill them in that way, in those terms. and this means that losses for the enemy are really significant. well, let's talk about mobilization. the words of the newly appointed deputy minister of defense of ukraine, natalya kalmykova, recently gave an interview in which she called on ukrainian men, well, not men, probably women too, ukrainian citizens, not to wait for summons, but to come to the tsksp themselves and look for their place in the army, because, says natalya kolnukova, everyone has to serve anyway, people at the front

are tired, they are waiting for rotation, and well, we should understand the importance of the current situation, how do you assess the mobile process in ukraine now in general, and shouldn't we, well, ukraine, you know, we made fun of this electronic register introduced by the russians, military conscripts, to us a year ago refer to similar practices? i think that we are doing well with electronic tools and means, if such a decision is made, it will be quickly implemented, as for the mobilization measures in ukraine, well, we have a full-scale invasion going on. and the war, the war for survival, which means that it is not out there somewhere, it has actually already come, to everyone, to every region, to every city and to many families, everyone felt it in one way or another, and that means that the defenders are not somewhere there, and they are really not people, literally made of metal, yes they need rotation, they need treatment, they need replacement, unfortunately they die, and

for in the city, in the defense system of ukraine, every ukrainian can find himself, both men and women, and it is not necessarily only participation in assault actions , the security and defense forces need specialists from a huge number of directions and specializations, and i emphasize once again, everyone will be able to find himself and make his contribution to the defense of ukraine. mr. andrii, what does ukrainian intelligence know about the mobilization plans and resources of the russians. many figures were mentioned in relation to mobile phones. this fall there from 2,000, it seems, even up to 700, what is happening with them now with the mobilization of this new resource, well, the mobilization measures are ongoing, they are mostly of such a hidden nature, so far they have not dared to another wave of public mobilization, although such decisions were already on the table, but still there is a fear of a reaction, and the population

of that territory, first of all, we are talking about the central, metropolitan regions, that is, public opinion... we don’t care about anything, but still, the fear of a senseless, merciless rebellion exists among the kremlin dwarfs, so they consider , but nevertheless, mobilization activities continue and more than 20,000 per month continue to be recruited in various ways, this is recruiting among prisoners and among debtors of some uncharitable categories of the population, it is not about volunteers, mobilization, mobilization of conscripts leads to the planned in a way and recruiting, including with the motivation of a financial payment, or, if not a person does not sign a contract, then some sanctions, there a new form appeared, especially for former military personnel, this is the forced signing of a contract, when, as it were, on reconciliation