[000:00:00;00] petrovka district, so-called, this is the west, donetsk, and there are trudovians, that’s what the trudo mine is called, the trudo hills, this is another height, so to speak, will capture these fortified areas, the russians will liberate this area, then we will also control donetsk from the west , and this is practically all of donetsk to makeevka, there is part of the southern borders. up to mospin, this is another fortification, such a serious one, it is with the help of artillery, that is , occupation, donetsk should not be liberated immediately , these are two heights of occupation of the western and northern, it is possible, in principle, it is possible to do it in the autumn-winter period in any weather, there are roads with a hard surface, the density is such that it is almost impossible to move in any direction there , it is almost impossible to find mud there, thank you very much, mr. roman, thank

you very much, what you found for it's time for us, on sunday, roman svitan, a military expert, a colonel of the reserve of the armed forces, a military pilot instructor was in touch with us, now let's talk a little about diplomacy, well , i would say that it was not something that reassured, but if it gave some confidence, mr. roman, his own thinking about what is happening on the front line, on the front line, and now petro burkovskyi, the executive director of the ilko kuchayev foundation for democratic initiatives , is in touch with us, good health, mr. peter. thank you for volunteering to talk with us on sunday, congratulations, paneho , look, i have a question for you, this is an absurd appeal by both the russians and the chinese ministry of foreign affairs, the only way out of the crisis in the middle east, the creation of the state of palestine. well, listen, since 1948, they have not been able to create a palestinian state, and so they asked, and so they did

they asked, and so they asked. and yes, both peacefully, and militarily, and as you like, nothing works, that is, when the foreign ministry of china and russian officials, such as the president of the so-called russia, the so-called president putin, say that the state of palestine must be formed, they simply, as i would say, it's them, they themselves understand that it 's impossible and just throw it away for ordinary people, that is, everyone knows, all experts know, it's impossible, they, it's not created. and they propose to create, so what does that mean? uh, thanks, look, i think there are a few here goals pursued by both russia and china, the first is what you said, it lies on the surface, it is an appeal to otraba street, to this idea of ​​creating a state of palestine, it is something that is popular throughout the middle east and not only in the middle east, and in islamic countries

in southeast asia, in all of north africa, yes, where islam prevails, we can see from these manifestations that the demand is precisely to expel israel and create a palestinian state, that is, it is work in arabic street, they, china and russia are trying to show what they are an alternative to the west, and they can help dominate the islamic world, win this victory over the western world, this is the first, second, it is more pragmatic. it is to disrupt the negotiations, which are now being very actively, intensively conducted by the united states, israel, that is, well, the united states to a greater extent , they act as mediators, but the negotiations regarding the future of the gas sector, that is, when hamas will be destroyed in the gas sector, but the palestinians will remain, we have to deal with it to do something, israel is not going to lead them lives or to arrange their lives

, that is why there must be an international solution here, the largest, largest... and richest states of the region, the same qatar, the same saudi arabia, should be included here, and help in this territory, which will be, has already been liberated from terrorists, to form, yes, to start, to start this state building, which will not threaten israel, israel's existence. actually, about this, the brick of this was laid precisely in the future agreement between the united states and saudi arabia, so secure, so that it is invisible somewhere israel was present, but it was about the fact that saudi arabia receives guarantees from the united states for protection against iran , helps the united states fight iran all over the middle east, instead , the palestinian issue and the palestinian issue, the palestinians are released, withdrawn from the iranian influence , i.e. everything went smoothly, the matter of destroying hamas went smoothly, hamas did yes according to putin's logic, if there is a fight, if a fight cannot be avoided, fight first, that's why this

putin's logic manifested itself here too, i think... the russians also played a role here, and now they want to disrupt this peace process and sell this, well, absolutely now dead, dead idea of ​​a second palestinian state, in the way it is in its current form, that is, a palestinian state that is an analogue, that what we know, ukrainians already know, unfortunately, is an analogue of the dnr, yes, that is, it is such a permanent ulcer, a permanent cancerous tumor that threatens israel itself, this is the bet of china and russia, to disrupt the peace process and still provoke, provoke a big regional war, for what, to completely push the united states out of the middle east, to deprive the united states of all the last, any allies in the middle east mr. peter, look, i understand that we will not get into the head of crown prince salman, and you will not get into it and i will not get into , even such a powerful person

as president biden will not climb, but still, after king hussein of jordan, who simply expelled, simply threw out the palestinians as terrorists, who began to terrorize no longer israel, but a friendly, let's say, jordan, in the near future i have the impression that the majority sober people understand that palestine is a problem, no matter how it is to create a state with it, not to create a state with hamas and hezbollah, without hamas, without hezbollah, they realize that it is also for them, well, not like that, not really like that , i would say, a convenient situation for the same saudi prince salman, who, okay, his father or grandfather wanted to fight all the time, but he is already a new generation, already the third generation, if he wants to be like that, well, sometimes journalists are killed

where somewhere in turkey, but still looks better than before, that is, they understand that it is not a question, they, they don't, they will feel bad too, the americans are okay, the jews are okay, but they won't be very comfortable there either, and you're right, it won't be very comfortable, but come on don't forget that the saudi, that saudi arabia is a wahhabi dynasty, yes, that is, it is a rather radical dynasty with a radical view of islam and that and the enemies of islam, be that as it may, so that there is no major war in the near future in the east, well, it's a merit, you can say, it's a merit of the united states, that they stand very tough and do not allow this war to break out with their diplomacy and their military presence... but if the united states withdraws from the middle east, yes, if that happens, then this war will be, and this war will be directed against, first of all against israel, and iran itself, i think, you know, it used to be like this

, at the end of the 19th century, more precisely analyzing the events of the end of the 19th century, the beginning of the 20th, the english historian taylor said that the russian empire , the german empire began the first world war because they wanted to prevent or avoid a revolution. so for iran to start a regional war against israel, to try to unite everyone in this war, that is , both sunnis and shiites, this is simply a means of preventing a war that will be unleashed against iran, against its interests, so it will be dealt with first by the united states, yes, the next step, that is to squeeze out the united states, the next step is an attack on israel, an attempt to destroy the israeli state, and then there will be a division of the middle east between iran, saudi arabia, well actually between those who will leave already among these winners, unfortunately, such a scenario is possible , but what you say about pragmatism, you know, if there is a war, it means that oil prices will rise, which means that these persian monarchs will get rich, that is, the war one way or another, they play

on the hand, i don't know, everything you said, i understand that you spoke as the devil's advocate, yes, what can representatives of different dynasties think, and i sat and twisted your... i understood, that is absurd, it is a matter of days to win the war, to bomb all the important ones points on the territory of iran, it is obvious, if america still joins there , i am already talking about israel, and he has demonstrated this more than once, bombing iranian centers, producing nuclear facilities of some kind there, i simply cannot imagine who is now just counting arithmetically on a piece of paper, he will calculate what two, ah, two aviation groups are, american, which are there , what are the pilots, what are the israeli pilots,

who are one of the best, and so on, and so on, and so on further, and when i see it, and how much money there is in the united states, how much will be aid from different countries of israel, and how much aid there will be to the iranians, i have no idea that this is an equal struggle, it's like i'm going to fight with my fists with mr. klitschko, you understand, well, if i don't have a rivet in my head, then i will go out and if i have at least a little bit of such a cracker, then i will say no, no, let's do it somehow, i will not do it, this is approximately the balance of forces in the middle east, you are right, you are right, but let's not exclude the fact, look, what happened to this hoax, to the hoax, about the hospital bombing, how did it raise the arab the street is not only in the middle east, and this is also a threat to the rulers, and how it raised the slave street in europe as well, and this too... everyone is paying attention, now in the next few days,

well, weeks, we will see a real test of endurance and determination and the resilience of both the united states and israel. in my opinion, if this israeli ground operation begins without a clear plan for what will happen afterwards, that it will not be an occupation, that the israeli forces will immediately hand over power to the international contingent of the un, or to another international contingent, and it is important that in this contingent had...' precisely the arab countries, their peacekeeping contingents, yes , if this does not happen, then the risk that hezbollah will be drawn into this war, that syria will be drawn into this war, it increases significantly if israel starts, ground operation without this, then the only safeguard against a major regional war is the readiness of the americans , yes, to strike at the same hezbollah, at the same and at the same syria, and to demonstrate the strength of iran, to prevent involvement. iran in this war, that is, now,

i will tell you honestly, and you are right, your arguments very correct, mr. mykola, but the situation is now so serious in the middle east that, you know, i can't make any predictions about it, there will be a regional war or there won't be, there is a big risk that it could happen, and anything, anything any new shelling, new terrorist attack, in europe, in the united states, in israel itself, some even, and military actions in syria, an attack on syria or on lebanon, and this can start a fairly controlled process. then the last question, whether a group of questions depends on whether the united states has enough resources, this is the question that everyone is now asking, this, and the americans themselves somehow discuss it, supporting ukraine, israel, taiwan, and many other things somewhere on the globe can be like this at the same time.

that the americans will have to help, there will be enough resources in america, and i think that if this regional war does not start, then yes, these resources will be enough, because taiwan is also defending itself, in the far east there are japan, south korea, which are all connected the united states and they have quite powerful armies, that is, in the middle east everything is more or less clear, yes, and with us too, it is more or less understandable, because not only the united states, but also the european union, members of other countries that find. the union is a member of nato, they also help ukraine, so this help is very important, the united states is not alone here, and i think that next year, despite what we say, about 60 billion dollars will be allocated to ukraine , but the european union, by the way, there will be this meeting in luxembourg tomorrow, they will also discuss the issue of increasing financial and military aid to ukraine, and that too, well will help the united states, or the west in general, these aggressive plans of russia, china and

iran, so my answer here is more affirmative, there will be enough resources, because the united states is not alone here, it is simply the leader of a very broad coalition of democratic states. thank you very much, thank you very much, i would talk and talk, but unfortunately there are also advertisements and there are the following guests , precisely also about israel, petro burkovskyi, the executive director of the democratic initiative fund named after irk kuchuyev, was in touch with us, will be, as i promised the advertisement, and then serhii mygdal, a former officer of the international department of the israeli police, a security expert, i understood myself, and what should we talk about during such a situation in the middle east, but anyway, first advertising, damn stairs, my legs can't walk anymore, wait, i'm suffocating, how are you no, but what kind of health is there in the sixth decade, i think so. until i tried herovital. gerovital + is

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, despite the fact that pangey, it seems to me, is somewhere from ukrainian, you are somewhere from ukraine, no, or somewhere is yours, ms. . in terms of language, a little, no, let’s speak russian, my mother is from odessa, brodskaya, and it’s beautiful, and my father is from melitopol, well, i spent every summer in odessa, for many years, but now it’s unlikely, you have a war, we have the war, even after the war we will meet, we have agreed, we have already agreed, well, here you look, very interesting the question is, these are the dungeons dug by hamas, that's when the question arises: and the israeli army, israeli intelligence , the israelis know where they are, there is an idea, where to go, where, where they are blown up, where they are, that's what , at least in general terms, we understand that you understand what to do with these

underground passages, this is such an important question, you need to understand that hamas is an organization, these tunnels, they dug, spending a billion on it. his business, which in general extends from racketeering to smuggling and takotikov, but how sick, they set up hundreds of kilometers in these 20 years, yes , if you remember, israel in 2014 conducted a border operation that took 50 days, with a strong entry into the territory of gaza, by land, and cutting it into three parts to sea. precisely in order to destroy not the entire system of tunnels, but then it was a limited purpose, to find and destroy the so -called attackers. then hamas had a project to build a system of tunnels going north to east in the territory of israel, and it would do something like what they managed to do

will be held on october 7. in israel, after a couple of cases with such infiltrations, including the abduction of a dalit, yes, who in the eleventh year was accused of a thousand different terrorists, the israelis were stronger, in israel, they specially arranged this operation to find, they found 22 tunnels then, then they developed a whole ... system for warning about the digging of new tunnels, and across the israeli border, there is a whole system of sensors, and they also developed all kinds of detection systems, yes, these are mainly systems, seismologically related to the use of various devices that allow even at great depth to create voids, we have been very busy with this, now we will see how it will happen in practice, all this goes together very important with operational information, the point is that we have in the hands - here are 300 to 400, the truth is some... in the hospital, there are fighters of this special forces al-nukhba. the weight

of this particular unit was, as it were, at the head of this attack on israel, which had just passed they are not through tunnels, although their specialization is, but, as you know, made holes in the fence , penetrated and attacked in many places, before that somehow blinded the surveillance devices, but this is a separate story, and many of them give evidence, moreover, in for the past 2 weeks, our forces regularly, especially... operations from the sea from the air, go to the gas at night, abduct militants from there, including the captured commander of one of the naval units of hamas, for example, a few days ago, and he was brought like tongues they give evidence, already according to this evidence, we have seen in recent days , yes, hits in the tunnels, there was a characteristic video, as you can see an israeli bomb flies in, penetrates the ground, a two-ton penetrator, first a big explosion in this place, and then... we see a series explosions that go along the street for several hundred meters, why is this, because the ammunition exploded from the blast wave, placed in

different places of this tunnel, and it just raised the whole street, which now looks like a huge dug trench, here sergey, look, here's the question , do i understand correctly that in principle it's a little secret, what will the israeli army do in the territory of gaza, right? that is, the same as last time, it will pass this territory to the sea, blow up everything that is happening below, i will say for the audience that according to various data, it is 360 km underground, it can be up to 500 even, this is not a joke, yes , it's huge, huge and then get out of there, well , we'll talk about what will happen next, but was i right when i said that something like this... and tactics and strategy of the future war against hamas?

well, the task is much more complicated than in 2014, because once again, then the main task was precisely the attacking tunnel, so the main work was carried out in the areas near the border with israel, since naturally they went from there using different information, sometimes just by chance, finding the entrances to the tunnels, they determined the tunnels that went towards the israeli border , some had already passed it, had not yet been dug, yes, there were traces of work, and they began to blow them up or fill them with concrete. now i'm talking it is about fighting, it is clear that the majority of militants will be hidden there , due to the overwhelming superiority of israel, and from above, both in the air and in armored vehicles, modern and in general in quantitative production, it must be understood that in the end, here - it's as if there is no method against lom, because there is no gas there, as you know, there are no forests, fields and rivers, and there is no strategic one. the depths of the israeli army are many times larger than the hamas army, yes, although the hamas army is quite a good

infantry unit of militants, so it will do in another way, that is, use information, finding new ones, firstly , they will use various automatic machines, once again i do not know for sure, this is roughly according to various reports of the foreign press, that since the fourteenth year this question has been a lot have been engaged for almost 10 years, have developed a lot of all kinds of robots that will move in these and scout them, some of these robots are combat ones, that is, they can shoot from such a grenade, converted 203 or from a machine gun, in extreme cases, if the militants are chasing him, then, as they say, it is not a pity, since this is not a living person, and the goal will be to determine the main networks, points of understanding more, now there is only a partial picture, with the help of fire damage as much as possible less to give to the hamas militants is coming out, you saw there now they are moving houses, yes, first of all high-rises, where

there is a roof on the upper floors. they will just drill there, bring them, you see sappers will bring under the guard infantry and tanks, i was once in the engineering troops, whatever the topic is to me near, special such huge drilling rigs will be brought, holes will be made, so-called shaped charges, special charges will be laid in them, and in order not to waste valuable guided bombs, they will simply collapse these bunkers and tunnels, because in this whole system they have there would be pros and cons, plus yes, that it well protects the defenders of this tunnel system from observation from above, from blows, allows them to work secretly, they have a wired communication system, yes, which does not depend on jamming, on the other hand, such a system under certain conditions, it turns very quickly into such a mass grave, because , as you can guess, the number of exits in

them is finite, already now, and there are many, for example, tunnel exits. mr. serhiy, one second, i just want to tell the audience that now they started showing the bombed-out mosque, under which there were warehouses, factories, something was there, this is such a tradition of hamas, here we are now seeing all this, when they are there now placed a huge number of military, military facilities, and then israel shoots, here we now see in the middle, then, of course, hamas is shouting... look how terrible it is, they are shooting at our mosque, this is really not a mosque, it really could be a mosque from above , it is far from a mosque from below, there are shells and bombs, and they say , there are factories for the production of military objects, military objects, so that’s where they fall, please note that this was done very wisely, this is a penetrator bomb that flew in from the side, punched a hole in the base, did not collapse,

exploded a few meters underground . where was this bunker, where the militants were sitting? yes, well, now two groups were found there, but nothing was left of the rest, well, now the question was, yes, so that the mosque is not destroyed, the mosque is standing, pay attention, and the question is, what’s next, someone is already thinking, i know , i watched a few times, i watch время от времени, the ninth israeli channel in russian, i still understand it, as you noticed, but here i am watching and there are so many experts, don’t care, let them decide for themselves, we already asked , we already, we were already nannies for hamas and for hezbollah and for the palestinians, we already gave water, and we gave this , and we gave that, we don't, let, let them decide, let the arab world decide what to do with it all, as far as this is the correct position, and is it really, well, is it correct to think that

the palestinians and the arabs in general are coping... with this task, until the forty-eighth year ? well, i wouldn't attach too much importance to what the experts on channel 9 say, although i respect them very much, and i'm invited there regularly, medals, as i was there yesterday, and nevertheless, these experts do not represent the position of the israeli state, the israeli government, it is very important to note that what will happen in the gas, yes, i try to say less about it, because it is a little at this stage , this is skinning an unkilled bear, eh, first the israeli army must capture it, completely clean it, pay attention, destroy the military infrastructure , the administrative infrastructure of hamas, destroy all the militants and their accomplices, destroy the leaders of hamas, or capture then they will be tried and then naturally hanged, most likely in the square

, you need to understand the mood in israel, many... people in the west do not understand the mood, and i wrote an article for the moscow times newspaper, which is now published in vilnius, which was called the israeli pero harbor , yes, but how is it for an international audience, for an audience of adults who grew up in the soviet union, and now live there in ukraine, russia, latvia, it doesn’t matter, for them the term june 22 is more understandable, you remember how this war began , and we also remember everything, how it ended in israel. setting, will finish it exactly the same, yes, and this , that’s what to do afterwards, so why didn’t they decide, again citing this example of the second world war, which is close to all people, in the forty-second and even in the forty-third, even in the forty-fourth year, uh the leaders of the big three, for example, did not have a final understanding of what to do with germany, yes, churchill, for example, proposed to take 70,000 members of the sssovtsev, leaders, and