[000:00:00;00] the mood in israel, many people in the west do not understand the mood, yes, i wrote an article for the moscow newspaper , which is now published in vilnius, which was called the israeli pero harbor, yes, but it is for an international audience, for an audience of adults who grew up in the soviet union, and now they live there in ukraine , russia, latvia, it doesn't matter where, for them the term june 22 is more understandable, you remember how this war began, we also all remember how it ended, in israel the mood will end it for sure also, yes, and this, that's what to do then, that is why they have not yet decided, again, citing this example of the second world war, which is close to all people, in the forty-second and even in the forty-third, even in the forty-fourth year, the leaders of the big three, for example, did not have a final understanding of what to do with germany

, yes, churchill, for example, proposed to take 70,000 cesov citizens, gesta leaders, shoot them, without a trial, right on the spot, and throw the corpses into the sea, roosevelt said no, yes, and mordentau, the minister of finance, ordered roosevelt to divide germany into several pieces, he will destroy cities, factories, mines and so on so that the fascistized remnants of the germans were engaged in agriculture all their lives, the margentau plan, everyone remembers the marshall plan, but there was a marshall plan before the margentau plan , you described it absolutely correctly, absolutely correctly, there was a soviet zone of occupation, remember where soviet soldiers not only raped millions women, but in my opinion, they took out the whole factories, whole farms, whole natural scientific institutes, shipyards, all the equipment on this technique even when i was on practice in leningrad at the institute in the 1980s, before leaving for israel, we still worked on german machines manufactured in the 1942-41 years, yes, which were taken from the factory in

hamburg, yes, in lenzig and dresesben, in kiev there is a factory in pechersk, the famous arsenal, this is carl zeiss, who one of carl zeiss's factories was taken out, it was taken there, but my second question, mr. migdal, is a very important question, you said that while passing by, but i would like to clarify, they are hanging in the central square, that is, this option with eichmann can be restored, i for for viewers i will say, i brought it to israel, passed the trial, the abolition of the death penalty was canceled for one day, he was hanged, the abolition of the death penalty was again introduced, this is the result, mr. migdal, most likely yes, i just want to emphasize a little

romanticized. you see, in israel there is a law that imposes the death penalty for a crime against humanity and the genocide of the jewish people, no one has canceled this death penalty, it seems so, he simply does not use this law, because he is judging someone, after that he was, remember, court the representative, who was defended by the brilliant israeli lawyer kyom sheftel, is young, but now he already has a tooth and drives a porsche, but he proved that this was not the right person, the second ivan, as you know, is among ukrainians. it turned out that this was a mistake, since it was very difficult to understand ivany, there were many of them, and he was sentenced to death, precisely under this article, and then on appeal to the supreme court, he was able to prove that fake documents were sent from the kgb, sovietskogo, that indeed it is the second man, yes, with a different last name, and that ivan the terrible was, then he was already released and acquitted, that's why this law exists, i just know about him that

the prosecutor's office, the general military prosecutor's office , is now collecting evidence from people who survived about these crimes against humanity, this is completely, and this will be done in full seriousness, i just want to remind you once again , i want to return to your question, yes, it is about serious people, and that is very interesting to everyone, the ideal case would be later, there are two options that depend on the development of events, whether there will be , for example, a major regional war or not, if everything can be done in the best way without a regional war, for example, israel will really wipe out hamas, capture or destroy its leaders , then the best options, this was already talked about a little at the conference that was held, but the main negotiations are being conducted, as i understand it, not in public, this is some kind of international fuss, some new structure will be created, maybe connected with the un, on which will be financed by the usa, the european union, saudi arabia, japan, the rich countries of the persian gulf, since we are still talking about living people there, in fact, maybe

1800,000, this is an overestimate, it is not india, not bangladesh, and the territory is small, that is here are the countries that i have listed and the organizations that are well able to raise a multibillion-dollar budget to deal with recovery. so that the administration, perhaps with the help of palestinian authority officials who were expelled by hamas during the bloody coup of 2007, will be able to return there and under the protection of some international forces, with the help of officials, this is an international organization, the un, to start , as it were, to establish a peaceful life there, simultaneously with the restoration of the infrastructure, this would be the best, ideal option, including really later , that once again, many israelis do not agree with me, but for those who simply want to make, as they say , a large concrete platform from the gas sector, then put a monument there and forget about it, but in reality we are talking about the fact that the majority after all, people, it’s civil there, many of them really don’t like hamas

very much, no more than the people of iran, for example, like the iranian regime, we’ve seen, it’s just that the hamas regime is even tougher, yes, they look at iran and think , that iran is a somewhat rotten democracy, they usually shoot on the spot for any infraction, then they tie it to a tender and take it along the main street, and they can kill the whole family, that's all, thank you very much, so even stand up against it to hamas, thank you very much, serhiy migdal, former international officer of the police department of the state of israel, a security expert was in touch with us, now we will have an advertisement, then we will talk about the upcoming winter in ukraine from the point of view of energy security, this is important, but in addition: to mr. serhii, i will say that apart from all these needs, worldly and financial, and political and administrative, the palestinians must somehow be encouraged to work, because when you go around israel and just where

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time for us, so. for the second year, russia wants to destroy the energy system of ukraine, and these are not just words, this , and the russians say it, and ukrenergo says it, whether russia will succeed or not , to what extent the military influence on the ukrainian energy system can paralyze this system, i will immediately say that will not succeed, the element, as they say, excuse the russian language of unexpectedness, it has already been passed, which was last winter, we already have the experience of going through last winter, we are already more or less prepared and we know the risks and weak points that need to be protected, how to protect it, that is, i do not think that the aggressor and that terrorist will succeed with us do in terms of energy, but just understand when it happened last time, when i say, i talk to various experts. then they tell me, you know, last year it

was whole, and then they started to destroy it, today we enter a new year, another year war, when it is no longer whole, it was already damaged last year, and it is already the remnants of what was in the 21st, and then the question arises, whether there is hope, but restoration, that it has become the way it was again , a strong force. well, then it is clear that we will survive, we will survive in the same way as we survived last year's winter. look, it was whole, but not protected, now it is, let's say, a little not, not whole, but it is protected in a completely different way, both by the anti-missile defense system and by other means of physical protection of our objects, so i cannot say that the balance is maintained in this way, but the conditions are slightly different.

of course, the entire system could not recover during this period, it was built in the form it was in before the missile attacks last year, for many, many tens of years and had a very large reserve of strength, a large reserve of power reserves, both network and from the point of view of production, that is, generation, but i am sure that a lot has been managed and restored, i have seen it with my own eyes and i want our viewers... and listeners to be sure of this as well, of course, but what to expect to expect from a sick neighbor, well, a sick head, it is not foreseen, look, where are the longest, which regions can be without electricity, without energy for the longest time, it is the south, the north, i don’t say exactly, there by regions, but that’s the logic tells me that it is something from the black sea and something... eastern, my logic tells me that it is correct, because

for some reason putin likes to shoot in the odesa region, well, just where there is kharkiv, there is a war, well, there it is constantly exploding, shooting, and there if keeping it as a whole in such a coherent way is very difficult, you know i will allow myself to disagree with you, why, because they are rushing there, and when they, where they can fly relatively unhindered, we have seen in recent days exactly where the arrivals go, where the arrivals go, there is one and a half to two minutes, that is, close to to the border, which concerns - physically, that is, the construction of electrical networks, schemes and restoration and readiness and protection, such that it can be said that the eastern regions are less protected than the western, western ukraine, central or southern, here it is all a matter, sorry, in time

a flight, that is, just then we understand that the approach from the sea is closer to odesa, and the approach to volyn and halychyna, the longest time of this approach, right, and of course more chances, i so... understand how to work out and shoot down a missile or a shachen, now here is the question that my editors asked me, they wrote to me that britain trains ukrainian engineers to protect energy facilities from attacks, when the last time, it seems to me, was in 40-41, when the british protected their energy facilities from hering aircraft, and then they protected them like that, well, not quite like that, well defended, but not so much. so why, who, someone europeans can teach ukrainians something about how to use energy objects, just a question, but how to use energy objects, i think that we can already teach europeans and the whole world, but from the point of view of building

physical protection, some recommendations of our own, they usually give and we receive them and carry them out, including, there are very useful things there, another important issue is that we know that the letter of happiness has arrived to the ukrainian government from the american government, what should be done, how to enter there, and if everyone thought about what it is if you don't take bribes, and many people think that this is also such a signpost , make such reforms, it will be easier for you to live, as you feel in vinnytsia obelenergo, the ukrainian... state, ukrainian statesmen, ukrainian politicians , they are ready to do what is beneficial to them, because i am convinced that it is not beneficial for americans to create a normal country out of ukraine , it is beneficial for ukrainians to create so that they live like americans, like poles, like englishmen, like germans,

like frenchmen, so what do you think , this will push the ukrainian establishment to action. to do the right thing and about bribery and what not about all the shortcomings and about various such things that the american partners point to? you know, i will answer that except for ourselves, we, maybe i'm not right, but nobody needs us, so if we don't want to do something ourselves to make ourselves better, nobody will force us to do it, regarding the letter of happiness, i understand that it is about raising... tariffs, i don't think that this should be expected in the current year, and regarding the demands of the world community, i will it is not necessary to say, the united states of america can explain, explain their requirements as follows, i will borrow a little bit of your time, i will start with pso. everyone has heard about it, but not everyone understands what it is. the psso mechanism

exists and has existed in many countries and involves the imposition of special duties by the state, that is what the psso mechanism is. social obligations on individual market participants in order to achieve a certain goal. in our country, this is the protection of general public interests, this is the protection of the population from a rapid increase in tariffs electricity and support for producers of electricity from renewable energy sources. but the pso principle is not an exception to the rules, and not a rule , how it should work, it should apply only during the transition period, for example, when introducing a new market model, as was done in ukraine, that is, at the very beginning of the operation of such a model, not exclusively , i again do not rule out that such a pso system, it should work in wartime as well, probably yes, it should work, and if we talk classically, then the influence of the personal economic the activity of individual

market participants must constantly decrease , i want to tell you about it further in numbers, today, for example, the weighted average price on the market for a day ahead, that is... for tomorrow is 4.10 kopecks per 1 kv, this is without vat. for the general public , today the price is 2.64. in all this colossal difference and compensates for the mechanism of psso for the population, namely, if you say who, it is energoatom, nekokrenergo and ukrhydroenergo, the demand of the world community is exactly that and for and it is concluded, this is a reduction of the influence of ppso on individual market participants, by lead tariffs to the real price of electricity on the market, it is not the fault of energoat, nekukrenerga or the operator of the distribution system that today in the ukrainian market is... such conditions, and the real price is completely different, so i am just explaining a little, and

, i wanted to, just when you were explaining, i now understood your answer, but when you started, i did not understand it yet, but i had such, such a question, i will ask it like this, is it education, or is it economics, because it is the economy, because i understand that ukrainians need to be told that it costs so much, and that an educational moment among other things, listen, well, you can’t pay 3 kopecks all your life in soviet times, you can’t pay much less than that for 30 years in post-soviet times, you have to learn to pay as much as it costs, no one comes to the store, give me a sausage this one, please, for 1 hryvnia, everyone pays as much as a sausage costs , it's not like that in the energy industry, no, give me less somehow, then it's like an educational moment, i've always had it, but you? you say that it is also economic, including, you know, in

a normal market, in normal market conditions under the conditions that, when it works, i will not say wartime as well, economic processes, they always go next to or side by side or parallel to physical processes in energy, if they will go that way and will not hinder or hinder them, then the market model, the economy and everything else will work. this can be confirmed by the same examples of our parallel work with nsi, that is, with european partners, for example, quite recently the nkrr, well, as of this year, yes, very recently they adopted new rules distribution of interstate crossings, that is , the import and export rule, ah, will it help in winter? yes of course it will help why? as of today, again, for example, on the day-ahead market, again on the day-ahead market, that is, today for tomorrow, prices in slovakia, hungary, romania are lower than in

ukraine, whatever one may say, one may to say that we have a little shortage of electricity at certain times, there may be a shortage, but this is economics, but the most important thing is that it can be and is an economic signal for our european partners, so that manufacturers and traders can increase their sales and supply of electricity to ukraine at these hours, at these... that it is higher than its own, more or less, when market mechanisms work, namely the price and capacity reserves, including on the markets of countries that operate in parallel, they will approach each other due to precisely such economic and market processes , which

pass, so i say, economics and physics, they are there, we all thank yuriy kasich, energy expert, general director of vinnytsia oblenergo, that is, a person on the ground, he sits, stands and walks on the ground and sees how it all looks, well, let's say this, quite an optimistic view, now we we are moving to a more pessimistic view, because my colleague olga olen interviewed peter pomerantsev, peter pomerantsev is such a british journalist, writer, author of various books about russian propaganda and so on, and we understand that where there is russian propaganda, there pessimistic look, always, he will tell her about the change in the attitude of americans towards the war in ukraine and about the upcoming elections in the united states, who can win there. many people are interested in what elon musk is up to, and

olya asked peter about it, in short, watch this interview, and i'm saying goodbye to you, i'll see you exactly in a week, or maybe even sooner, congratulations, today we are peter pomerantsev, a writer and journalist, we talked with him a year ago about how to resist russian... propaganda, today we will continue the conversation and talk about how to do it now, because the situation has changed in principle in a year, and how it has changed in a year, please, pitor, tell me what is happening now, let's not generalize, let's talk about the key countries, i live and work in america, at the johns hopkins university, in washington, and fortunately he helped various colleagues, ukrainian activists, and the other is conducting a new investigation about what americans think about the war, about ukraine, about the future, and so

on, ah and... well the main thing is that it is necessary to say that it has changed, this, this, this attention to this k to this topic, this attention to the topic, and wars, it has greatly decreased, but for people in the fourth , fifth place, in those topics that concern them, it is not bad, the fourth or fifth place is also a place, but it is far away, if it was on first place in all the news, this is no longer there, it rarely appears, and this is one of the stories that people switch very quickly. further from it, it means that when we, when my colleagues did focus groups and so on, many people simply asked, and there is still a war, and so on, so it means that it has gone very, very far - attention of ordinary people, yes, of course, political circles discuss very, very much, and there are many different movements, the most dangerous development is that half of the people who vote, well, people who can, possibly

vote for republicans, want to stop and take more and more about the russian positions, this is not a huge amount of the population, yes, it is 25% of the population, yes, 75% still support it, but this is a part of the voters and those members of the republican party that they choose, they very strongly influence the entire republican party, yes, they ask will seize power there, their leader trump will probably be... the republican candidate for election. we have such a strange situation, where 25% of the population can solve the issue of ukraine, despite the fact that 75% still support it, which means, of course, a very, very dangerous period, and of course, russia is very much looking forward to trump's victory in november. this dangerous period, what is it connected with, is it an internal situation, or is it something that ukraine, as such, could swim towards? this is about

america, this is about america and the future of america. this is a part of society that does not want to america left nato, so that america left europe, and so that america basically left the world, this tradition has always been in america, america barely entered the second world war with great difficulty, only after the japanese attack on america, this is always this is a long, long part of the american tradition, generally speaking about ukraine and russia, well, from my side, for example, i see, well , there, and apparently in ukraine , they react to it like this, you know, very actively, this is when musk expresses something , there his posts are endless, then there it is necessary to give a part of ukraine, then something else, or some articles appear in various, even very such, well, respectable publications, where they also begin to think about how to freeze the conflict, what to give for it, this is generally some kind of mainstream, how it is perceived not

from our bubble, and how is it perceived, well, if you look at it against the background, well, just how you can look at the states , how it all looks, how it really is, well, so bright, well, by and large, expert articles at all not perceived, these are expert articles for other experts, and that's it very important party, this is very, very important, there is a very heated discussion on how to continue to wage war and how to continue to support ukraine, in society, no one reads it, no one knows about it, people do not read, well, the mask, the mask reads . musk is another phenomenon, no, there are very few people on twitter, twitter basically ended as an important project, it was always only a project for journalists and others and activists, he ended up buying twitter, it became completely irrelevant as a platform, but not very relevant as platform, if he played a big role, musk knows how to be a businessman, very successful, the richest man in the country, in america, the cult of business, yes, for good, for bad, and

of course, musk has a voice, but, well, i wouldn’t say , that he plays some particularly important, decisive role in public debates, he simply represents such a point of view in america, where you must always be against everything, and this is a very fashionable position, such contrarianism, it is widely represented by other people as well , except mask, but i would not overreact to na the words of even a billionaire. and to what extent is it internal, when these articles come out, how far are these articles, some kind of natural process , well, this, this is the opinion of journalists or some certain analysts, or can we talk about some certain, well, absolute, influence of russia , that is, where, how to distinguish, or whether it is necessary to distinguish at all, and it is very