[000:00:00;00] these principles are good, it’s perfectly normal, it’s all very healthy, but it turned out that this is generally such a contagion that has grown up within western society, it spreads there, and often this is what concerns hatred of israel, of jews in general, they между собаю объединаются, these forces do not seem to be completely united, that is, the same islamists, the same right-wing extremists, the same left-wing extremists, they all hate israel at the same time, and even meet at demonstrations against israel, all together, yes western society, unfortunately, turned out not to be able to fight effectively today, but as we speak, literally at the moment many demonstrations of tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands, are taking place in paris, london, and other places, and yes, here absolutely, it is very difficult to do something today, but i want to say that these people, they have also become a powerful weapon in the hands of their sponsors, and these sponsors, again, we said, part of them are in moscow, part of of them is located in

tigeran. today these sponsors are moskovskiy teherans also communicate very well with each other and support each other, so really, yes, these are the forces that you mentioned, they have turned into a common , very powerful front, which acts today both directly against israel on the territory of europe, and in general and against those countries in which they are located, they and their patrons purposefully destroy western societies in order to weaken them as much as possible, and so that those who are sitting today in moscow, in tehran, by the way, in the same beijing. that they they could quite calmly carry out their plans in relation to the rearrangement of the world order, as they wish. and tell me, this is exactly how you explain the fact that vladimir putin stopped being cautious, because for many years he pretended to be such a friend of the jewish state, he asked how to mediate, maintain personal friendly relations with prime minister benjamin netanyahu, i have a feeling that prime minister netanyahu

believed in these friends. relations as well as , by the way, once i was convinced that the late prime minister of japan, sindhi, he believes in friendly relations with putin and believes that these friendly relations will help solve the problem of the northern territories, but we know what happened as a result of this belief with japanese-russian relations, i have such a feeling , that now the same thing is happening with the israeli-russian, well, you know, in relation to putin, i can say that in general, he is so intriguing, so cold, you know, player, he calculated all this, i don’t think , that there was great... love for jews, maybe he did not treat jews badly, maybe he is not such an ingrained anti-semite born there, but nevertheless, i think that it was not because of great love, but because he believed that on that moment they are instrumentally convenient for him, that thanks to his connections with the jew, thanks to the influence on the same european, jewish congress there through certain persons, again jewish oligarchs, russian, he will be able to achieve some of his interests, today he

has already gone far, you see , it's not anymore interestingly, he doesn’t need it, they turned out to be completely unnecessary today , all these people who fled to the west at all in the west, today he has completely different relations with the west, and these relations have acquired a completely different format, we know what we are talking about, a completely tough confrontation, practically a war, again through the territory of the unfortunate ukraine, so he does not need more jews we are israel, and as for our prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, well, i also think that he is such a very experienced politician, he cares so much. a politician, a very skilled politician, i don’t think he ever believed in putin’s friendship there , no, but he considered his entourage, in general , many in israel believed that, again, this was beneficial to israel for various reasons , yes, but first of all they talked about the fact that since the fifteenth year, that means we have russians here, the russian army, in syria, they control almost everything there, in general, in order we could continue to fight the presence of iran on the territory of syria and lebanon, we need the russians not to oppose this and allow us to do this, therefore we need to maintain

good relations with this, they always said that there is a large jewish community in russia, again we need to take care of them therefore, it does not anger moscow, but today we understand very well that in general, well , the russians continue to sit in syria and , nevertheless, they have not done anything to prevent the accumulation of forces there by the same hezbollah, the same iran, the corps guards the islamic revolution, they did not prevent the fact that the iranians brought thousands of fighters of these shiite militias to syria and lebanon today , whom they brought here from iraq and even from afghanistan, and the russians did not prevent anything at all from the transportation of iranian missiles here, which today threaten everything the territory of israel, they cover the entire territory of israel, from the northern to the southern border, and they did not prevent anything, so the russians did not prevent them, therefore, in principle, we do not need them anymore, as for the russian jews, fortunately many of them have already left, those who there remained, israel constantly says: leave, but in this case today it still can be to some extent a factor because of which israel does not want to escalate relations with moscow, we simply because here we have enough local problems here

and we have to deal with them. everything to be decided, but again, we hear from everyone who is here today in israel, including from representatives of our establishment, that they see everything, they remember everything, after the end of this war. and especially if the government changes, and the chances of that are very high if he says that netanyahu will leave us after this war, then in general it is obvious that relations with moscow will be adjusted in some way in a direction that will not be so favorable for moscow. it is possible to say that now what happened before in israeli-russian relations is perceived as a calculation, well, many, yes, many perceive it today, especially against the background of this blatant anti-semitic and anti-israel propaganda, and frankly the last one. days we saw all the jokes about the killed israelis on russian channels children, about the new holocaust, such ezvytelnye, yes yörnychenie, you see, this is all seen here, it is translated, the israeli press reports about it,

it will not lead to anything good in the relations between israel and russia, clearly, as you imagine itself in general, the development of the political situation after the end of the war, because it is possible to talk about the elimination of hamas, but there is no social... basis for the creation of a new leadership in this part of the palestinian authority, i honestly do not see how by the way, i don't see any real chance for the creation of any legitimate , respected government on the territory of the west bank of the jordan river, well, there, too , in general, a government that has not been elected for almost 10 years, if not more, 2006 more, last year's elections, hamas, hamas came to power in the seventh year, because they declared. that in general , abu mazan and mahmud abaas usurped power , therefore they began to kill representatives of this autonomous territory of gaza and thus came to authorities and you are absolutely right, you perfectly understand our situation, no worse than us , yes, indeed, abumazan himself, mahmoud abbas, he is not a legitimate ruler in general,

he is already an old man, very sick, and he holds power with great difficulty on the territory of the west bank and the jordan river, again, in many ways, thanks to the fact that we israelis help him, he will never recognize this, but this is a secret left. for all those who understand at least a little bit about what is happening here today, well, that's why drags now in the gas, first of all, it makes no sense, he is really nobody, secondly , he is there, even if he agrees to come there, then in general, he will come in this way with israeli bayonets, so he will be there, in general, well completely illegitimate, you see, he will not be able to hold this power there for two days, and israel , of course, does not want to stay there and cannot , by and large, yes, that is, israel is not the player who will be able to restore order there and somehow international intervention will completely calm it down definitely, but if not us, not the palestinians, then who? and the same un drags there again, which has completely discredited itself. again, the majority of un workers are local , they are the same palestinians, and many of them are members of the families of the same

high-ranking khamasniks, they formally worked at the un there in different organizations, in the same unre, this is such an organization for the support of palestinian refugees, and therefore, in general , they also cannot really appear today as this player who is there, this is a small piece of land, which is somehow utyhomirit will establish a normal legitimate government there, so i personally believe that, as far as i understand, this is one of the main directions that both the israelis and the americans are thinking about, which is to bring the egyptians there, and the point is that first - many residents of gaza, they are formally recognized as egyptian citizens, for many years, and besides, in general, gaza is historically the territory of egypt, and those who live there, they generally perceive their... egypt, and egyptians, in general, they are very concerned about that is happening in gaza, besides, for very long years, in general, probably already 20 years, and maybe even more, there are constantly representatives of the egyptian authorities, and quite formally, these are mainly representatives

of the egyptian military intelligence, which is very strong in egypt itself, in this very gaza they destroyed some relations between hamas and various local groups, they supported the relations of the hamas leadership with the rest of the world, in addition, with israel itself, in general, they were the mediators between hamas and israel, who constantly gave us the opportunity to contact these people there, so the egyptians are already very involved there, especially yesterday elsay, the president of egypt, held such a mini middle east summit, and in general, he wrested the palm of the hand from the turks, because the turks very strongly also claimed this role, but he received support from the west. on the part of europe, on the part of the local arab players here, in general, it is quite secretive israel, too, although israel was not invited there to this summit, that is why, in general, as far as we can understand now, it is very cautious, obviously, and if, when israel really enters the gas and if,

when it succeeds, hamas will end , the question will arise about whoever will be able to restore order there, i think that it will most likely be the egyptians, supported by the state and the international community, these are all the subjects who came to cairo yesterday, yes, there were representatives of the un, representatives of the european union, there were representatives of the same saudis, still others there are the countries of the persian gulf, that is , i think that the egyptians will do this under the auspices of international organizations. and financed, therefore, mainly by the countries of the persian gulf, which, by the way, today we should not forget, the egyptian economy is mainly supported by the economic aid of the americans and the saudis, and the chinese have been very active there recently, but mainly i think that if when order is restored in the gas, it will be the expectation of the international community at the expense of the countries of the persian gulf, thank you, yakov folkov, an israeli historian, doctor of science, teacher, university and former analyst of the israeli ministry of defense was in

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rudenko, from monday to friday at 8:00 p.m., repeat at 12:10 p.m., we continue our information broadcast and we will now talk with bohdan porohniak, the publisher of the internet portal. as far as i understand, this is the first such ukrainian-language popular scientific publication on the internet. good evening. good evening. i think it is possible. to say that this is the first professional, popular science edition, which specializes in science news, that's exactly how we planned to make our site, to tell ukrainians that science can be interesting, and it is possible to write about it qualitatively. and how did it happen that in general, that is, what is the scientific life in ukraine, it remained, maybe somewhere in specialized magazines, but the general public did not know how much people are interested in science in general. ah, these are two very different questions, and i think that you, as a journalist

, know that there are too many news sites, news publications, and columns in ukraine. they always saw science as something that should be, who is there she writes, i, as she writes, it never bothered anyone at all, that is why we decided, we decided to become the first, profiled, high-quality scientific media that will build an audience that has never existed in ukraine, we tried from scratch to find those people who don't even know what they can do yet. to be interested in science, and as scientists themselves are interested, in general , to know something about their activities beyond the borders of their professional circle, if we are talking about the world, then it is very interesting, and this is a huge field, where

crazy money is involved and a lot of specialists who help modern scientists to make sure that their experiments are written about by the world's... media everywhere, from the new york times guardian to any, then to, i don't know, to vescher lviv, if there is such a publication, but i'm afraid there isn't anymore , well, there are other publications, yes, yes , unfortunately, in ukraine, it is very difficult, because there is no culture yet, there is no culture to talk widely about one's experiments, about one's cool news. there is still no understanding that between the scientist and the audience there must be a person who knows how to tell, who knows how to speak with ordinary people and not to consider them idiots, well, by the way, this is a good question, where to get such people from, if we are talking about journalists,

if there is no tradition of scientific journalism as such, it is in the soviet union, let’s say, it was, it’s just that she tried all to concentrate in moscow. and it was elite journalism, you know that there the deputy editor-in-chief of this popular magazine nauka i zhizn was the daughter of nikita khrushchev himself, because it was considered that a very prestigious job in scientific journalism, yes, well, on unfortunately, i was born already after the soviet union, and i think that unfortunately in general, my thinking is a little different, and we are building modern scientific journalism in ukraine professionally from scratch. we are trying to make media for people like ourselves, well, in general, it is important to say that ua science is three people, i am the publisher, i have two girls, marina kachura, who writes cosmos for us, she is 21 years old, and in i'm katalina markush, 28

years old, sorry, girls, that's all, and at some point we realized that we want to write about science in a way that we ourselves would be interested in read, that's why we have, that's why we, uh, post memes, that's why we speak a clear language , we don't rely on uh, the great heritage that was there somewhere in scientific print magazine-journalism, we were born on the internet, we work as a quality news publication, you are a ukrainian from... originally from russia, why did you decide to create a ukrainian-language publication in the first place, if i understand it, you spoke and wrote there and worked in russian all your youth, this is in fact, this not with not quite like that, but i spoke exclusively ukrainian until four

years, and so on, and so on, when kindergarten started, when school started, that's when i came to your parents spoke, that means ukrainian with you, we always spoke. in ukrainian, there is a very interesting story about my parents, because they are from the ternopil region, and after the forced distribution of the ternopil economic institute, my mother and father went to the north to the chemsk region and built new cities, they worked there in the trusts, the documentation was kept in the trusts only in the ukrainian language, my mother moved to kyiv once a block, gave it to the minister, i didn't i will remember what happened there to the minister, she gave reports in ukrainian, returned to my native noyabrsk, in november, even before my birth, from november , planes flew to frankivsk four times a day, four times a

day, i was born on shlyakhitna street, and now about your question, it annoys everyone when things are out of place and i am in the wrong place, but it annoyed me that i was out of place, i knew right away that i wanted to return to ukraine, i always felt special. ukrainian, i knew i wanted to be here, and yes, like me, i know almost nothing in life, except media, i realized that i will make money in ukraine on topics, on what i know how to do media best, here i am, many people said that you returned to ukraine, that is fighting in a situation where many people were leaving this country precisely because it was becoming dangerous, i had no choice, and that's kind of it. not legal, not of any kind, i just knew that i would be in ukraine , i would not run anywhere, i would help

my country as much as i could, and in fact i did and still do quite a lot of science, but we we don't really like to advertise, we really rebuilt ourselves during the war, what if , if we have time, can you tell me, please, well, actually, on february 24, our editor marina kachura woke me up and told me, bohdan, we have the site, i realized that i did not have time to pay for the site, i paid, went to sleep, woke up two hours later when i heard that a war had begun, a full-scale war, i was in lviv, marina was in kyiv, katalina was with us was in tyachevo, and we immediately understood that we would...' eh

to continue working, because no one will take it from us, because it's ours, because at that time the site was a year and a half old, now it's three, a little bit, and uh, we knew that people needed us now, uh, being a publisher, i during the day i published news, at night i was a volunteer here at the lviv railway station, when huge numbers of people were fleeing to lviv, a huge number of people and somehow lived like that. and we realized that if before this, before the full-scale invasion, we were making a site that informs an intelligent audience, tells what is interestingly happening in the world of science, now we, the site that shows people that uh , the future is sure to be good, the future is sure to be cool, every day of the week, we work, for over three years and i

haven't had a single day off yet, we every every day we write about such a story that people say wow, for example, that people who could not walk are walking, people are transplanted, pig kidneys, some kind of fantasy in general, and we have these, and we understand our role in such a way that we give people to see , firstly, a picture of the future, secondly, we understand that now there are many, almost all the media is focused on the topic of war, and we have no right to distract people from their pain, from the topic of war, but we show, help to ground, show that there is something to live for, something to win in the world, but tell me if to continue the topic of this ukrainian diaspora in russia, it always confused me quite a bit, and the last year even more so, because you may know, i was one of the founders of ukrainian organizations in moscow, in russia as such, i participated in all

their founding meetings in my time, when i was still studying in moscow, and i hoped, maybe naively, well, if not on the 22nd, then at least on the 14th, that we would hear some voice from ukrainians in russia who would speak out, at least against the war, against their own country, how did it happen that most of them were silent, here you are, you are one of those people who decided that your place is here, i think there are some other people like that, we don't know them, because we need to know them, by the way, those ukrainians who realized that they cannot be in a state that is in conflict with their homeland, but what is happening to the main mass of people is the same millions of people, you will tell about your hometown, there are thousands of such people in this region, yes, well, actually, i haven't been to my hometown for more than four years, maybe more, and in general.

my path to ukraine lies much earlier than a full-scale introduction, that is, i decided to live in ukraine for myself many years ago, but i ask myself exactly the same question, why did we not hear voices when the war began, i understand very well, i remember very well the first day of the war, when i did not turn off the tv at all and watched it the address of the president, who then addressed the russians in russian and said, come against... you can stop this war , they showed, broadcast even some small rallies in russia, they showed that there, as if something was happening, and that's it, and that's the end , even to me, who worked there, in high-quality publications, there, i don’t know,

medusa, vedomosti, and others, the first, the first... two weeks ago, they wrote to me, well, there might be seven people, ask, how do you say, i'm sorry, i don't know what to tell you, we're not bad, we, that's all, that was the end, what the hell is done in people, in people, i do not know, unfortunately, and it is true that only in my native place, at least in... there were at least 20% of the ukrainian ethnic-ukrainian population, we do not hear these voices, we do not know maybe if, if some kind of banning is happening, you want to believe that it is them, but , i'm sorry, i don't know that, i don't know what i don't know,

i don't know that, but tell me, if we talk about science, here's how to preserve science. that is fighting, that most of its capital investments are now usually devoted not to scientific life at all, but to the military-industrial complex, if in general, there are such possibilities, and i am not talking about the fact that even in the previous decades , to put it mildly, science was not the most popular activity in the country, now all of ukraine recognizes that the publisher of the science of ua is not a scientist, but a media manager and it has to do with science as far as it goes, sorry, so i'll tell you the way, the way i see this situation, from the outside, now, well, i'm not a professional scientist, i know that scientists always complain that they don't have funding, but i mostly talk to young ukrainian scientists, and when i talk to young people

ukrainian scientists, i understand that everything will be fine in the country, these people, after the full-scale entry, offensive, very clearly said that our future is in ukraine, and even if europe, america will give us some opportunities there, we will stay here , we will build a civil, normal, new science, and these are very cool people who continue to engage now, for example, some, well, continue to engage in... their scientific activities, and among my close friends there are scientists who, in parallel with scientific work, do important for the country

business, for example, excuse me for a moment of advertising, wings of victory, which is an organization that helps collect first-aid kits for soldiers, and scientists are engaged in trying to save as many lives as possible of ukrainian soldiers and end this war as soon as possible, there are a lot of scientists, teachers now at the front, and in order to somehow preserve ukrainian science, you must support the army as much as possible, you must do everything, if you are not at the front, everything you can to finish it as soon as possible. this war, and that's why scientists will manage somehow, and without me, without mine, without without my opinion, but i can definitely say that they will always have someone to tell about their discoveries, we will do everything so that in ukraine, ukrainians know what is happening in the world and in ukrainian science, well, on the other hand