and ukrainian scientists are engaged in trying to preserve as many lives of ukrainian soldiers as possible and to end this war as soon as possible. many scientists and teachers are currently at the front, and in order to somehow preserve ukrainian science, you must support the army as much as possible, you must do everything, if you are not at the front, everything you can to... end this war as soon as possible, that's why scientists will somehow manage without me, without mine , without my opinion, but i can definitely say that they will always have someone to tell about their discoveries, we will do everything so that in ukraine, ukrainians knew what was happening in world and ukrainian science, well, on the other hand, agree that science also develops

during the war, which is also quite interesting, we know from history that people who were scientists there became part of the state efforts to win the war, maybe ukraine also needs these people , you reminded me, you mentioned such an example, maybe it is precisely these people who need to be involved in this program of victory, not just in service as such, but in scientific discoveries of some kind , to some proposals that could create some new weapons, some new initiatives, these are slightly different things and in fact this is already happening, science by science , but we acquaintances from the in science organization held a huge conference, which was devoted to technologies, and of course science, which help bring ukraine closer to victory, new drones, new weapons, new... some means

that save lives, scientists do not stand aside, they help to move us to victories, that's why, well, that's what i'm thinking about, what you're talking about there, about drones, about things like that, these are also scientific improvements, we know that people are now taking, relatively speaking, some kind of household drones, this who come for alieks on a whim, it’s not only here, we see this happening in the middle east as well, and they make combat vehicles out of them, for this you need, well, mother, you and i can’t do it, only a person with scientific and technical thinking, it is true, but we are very, very direct, very often written teenagers who say, hello, my name is so-and-so, i am so-and-so years old, please introduce me to one of the ukrainian scientists, i want to do science in ukraine, i want to understand... what awaits me in

the future, and i am a person who has grown up, and it is noticeable, probably not scientifically, in scientific journals, but in journals that i remember very well, journals that created me as a person, and i am very pleased to know that my work, the work of my team, helps some children, teenagers, yes... anyone, to fall in love with science, to look from the other side at science, and we, i really hope, will bring, make our contribution to ukrainian science, at least as new, new people, well, this is important, these people read you, they dream of a scientific career, then they go to universities , as you and i went, and then they graduate from universities and it turns out that for scientific.

there are no funds and jobs, they, this is how much you say, your young friends, even those who are searching, are not disappointed by all this, oh, my god, to be honest, we later meet with these people and they say, well you brought this girl to me, but i told her everything as it is, if you have a normal boss, then everything will be fine with you, then you will be pressured to work, on, on, on, on, on, but there is no money, we , well, science, i am three years old, we are still, this, this is absolutely not serious, we are here for a long time and seriously, and i think that these scientists, with whom we have become friends during these three years, we will still see them somewhere in the offices, high and further, further, further, and people who went through... scientific

work in the 10s and 20s, they will be able to change something, i, i believe and i hope. and tell me, as a media manager, how to finance such a publication, where to get funds for it, it is not an entertainment magazine, it is not, and why? began, began to say that this is not an entertainment magazine, this is a different magazine , we, our main goal is to teach a person to see the world the way he saw it when he was six, seven, eight years old, when you see what god , how difficult everything is. god, how strange everything is, god, how cool everything is, and our main goal, mine and my team's, is to take every day, to choose the most important, the most interesting thing that happened in science

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results, well, it depends on how the law will change, due to amendments to the second reading, because in the first reading it is of course only a declaration, it is not even only a declaration, it is certain measure and the project, which is not allowed the adoption of effective projects, such as nazhdi is a co-author of 8221, which effectively banned the activity of the russian language in the church. in accordance with all international standards. this project does not prohibit anything at all, it prescribes a very long procedure, when in order to limit the activities of some religious organization, and i want to remind them, there are about 1000 in the ukrainian orthodox church, which is part of the russian orthodox church, it is necessary to first conduct a religious examination, which can be challenged in court, it will be difficult to support it in court, because that there are no specialists, experts. on this topic, there is no methodology, later it will be necessary to obtain a prescription, as the law says, for

each of the 10 thousand e religious organizations that are part of the russian church in ukraine today, this prescription is also not mandatory , it can be appealed in courts, later it will be necessary to go to court and go through all the instances again, so we banned the communist party of ukraine in the 14th year, and it was one organization, and we finally banned it after going through all the judicial levels only in 2022, so imagine, how long will it take to ban 10,000 organizations, well, for sure at least eight years, and maybe 80 or 100 years, so in this case this law, rather a declaration, it is obvious that i, for example, supported it, because it is a declaration against the russian church in to ukraine, but this is a declaration that does not carry any consequences, in fact, what needs to be done to make this law... effective and real, if we talk about the actions of the legislative power after the first reading. well,

the main thing is to transfer the norms of our draft law 8221. the essence of ours into this law bill or, or accept our bill as a whole, since it is not an alternative to the government draft , it is a parliamentary one, it was signed by deputies from all factions, the essence of this draft is that if any public organization, the church is a large public organization breaks ties with its moscow center, then it, its activity ceases, and it does not have the right to use the property, because, by the way , there is not a word about property in the government project, that is, on the basis of this project , to somehow influence even the fate of laver to say the least about the huge amount of communal property, which is at the disposal of the russian church, it is impossible, so if these norms are transferred here to the second reading, maybe it will be effective, i just want to emphasize that... both laws do not prohibit either the uocp or any other church,

the essence of the laws is what they say, break off relations with moscow for good, and serve the god you see fit, no one forbids you to serve, they don't want to do it, that's the only conflict, not that someone wants to ban a certain church, and therefore it is fundamental for us to break ties with gondyaev, because we see that this church is currently preparing private military companies on the territory of russia, commits many other crimes, is in fact part of the russian army and the fsb . in principle, if we talk about severing relations with moscow, and how to do it with, say, the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, technologically, it makes some decisions there, announces some declarations, and we know that from a canonical point of view it has no opportunities if it considers itself a church. part of the russian orthodox church, then whatever resolutions and resolutions it passes there, they have nothing to do with breaking

relations with the moscow patriarchate, because they simply do not have any right to do so, well , first of all, it is not quite so, because for example, in latvia, the leadership of the church, implementing the law submitted by the president, which was adopted by the parliament, turned to the leadership of the russian orthodox church with a demand to provide tomos, and if it is not provided, then they can appeal to constantinople. secondly, vitaly, what kind of canonicity are we talking about, it is not canonical in ukraine, i am talking about this, there is a canonical church here, this church is subordinate to another church that is not... and then turn to the ecumenical patriarch, because the patriarch will say, yes, i already gave you once thomas, what do you want from me, i can’t give you thomas every two years, again, the point is, you ’re right, but the point is, well, i’ll tell you about my project, it’s collective, but i developed it there, 822

is exactly what they should, just break the relationship without communicating, write only that they come out of all these, synods and everything else, hand in russian passports, tear them up, burn them, do not communicate by phone, there are services that can control this, they should publicly and actually break all connections, because everything they did, they voted, sorry for the new statute, which was not registered, where again they refer to the letter issued to the alexiis that they are part of the russian church, they should give it up, by and large ... after this they can be a completely religious organization that believes in st. onuphrius, for example, because they are not an orthodox church, we have only one orthodox church, and no one forbids them to create a religious organization that believes in st. onuphrius, if they want to be called an orthodox church, then yes,

they must get permission for this from the senior priest of the orthodox church, in our case from epiphanius, this is what the apostolic rules say and only he can determine who... in ukraine is orthodox and who is not, but many people do not agree on this part of the norm of our law , so we say, well, we are ready not to insist on no until the second reading, but we definitely insist that any contact with moscow should be stopped. you see that now the priesthood of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate is deploying its defense of such a company, saying that the authorities want to destroy the church, people are fighting at the front, people are fighting for freedom, at that time they are deprived of the church, and this is the same as what they did the bolsheviks, it seems to me, are already full of this propaganda social networks and various publications, and they are not going to stop, it cannot be said that they are there somewhere quietly watching what is happening, no, they are on the offensive, not on the defensive, this is the biggest evil of this government project, he doesn't do anything to them, even if he remains like that in the second reading, it will be impossible for him to ban them, but they will shout to the whole world

that the ukrainian authorities are oppressing the russian orthodox church, because the goal is the same, someone in power decided that it is necessary to threaten as much as possible push onufry harder with his finger and he will run to president zelensky, who will say, look, poroshenko has his own church, let's make you your own church, which will not be subject to moscow, and then we will agree to give us another tomos, which of course is absurd, so that tomos 1, it was given to all orthodox, ocu is definitely not poroshenko's church and some of epiphany's sermons, he directly stated this, whether it was correct or incorrect is another question, but it is certain. the ukrainian church, the ukrainian people and the ukrainian state, to whom tomos was given, but this is definitely not poroshenko's church, but zelenskyi and the authorities that surround him should understand this, it is very difficult for them to understand, and they continue to preserve in ukraine essentially a public organization, the largest, which harms ukraine, which carries out anti-ukrainian activities, which does not dead ukrainian soldiers, who engages

in espionage, who kills ukrainians, and ukraine, the ukrainian state imitates and allegedly closes it, nothing. and does not do, this church everywhere in the world shouts, orders articles, publications, that there is oppression here, so, so in such a way, essentially strengthening itself in the ukrainian system of state power and the ukrainian people, and this is a horror, it is necessary to accept 82:21 and patriotic journalists, by the way, also talk about it, they seem not to notice this law, because religious scholars told them that it is not the end is perfect, i say, why are religious scholars here, this is a legal norm, you can talk with lawyers, internationalists, not religious scholars. now everyone noticed, everyone understood that the adopted law will not work, although everyone pretended to be great patriots and shouted that we voted, read poems from the tribune, as usual in our country, instead of adopting the effective law 8221 , well, i will continue to insist on this, it is a pity, of course, that there are no live broadcasts of the supreme council and it is not possible to listen to poems from the tribune, but on the other hand,

well, the deputies are filming on their phones, they are sharing it on social networks, so it’s not that, it’s not that effect, you know, that, no, no, no, it’s not a live broadcast of the concert, but that’s not the question, the question is something else , which i wanted to ask in this regard, here you put the emphasis on power, but i still wanted to put an emphasis on society, if people did not go to these churches, then there would not be such a problem, people go themselves, no one chases them, the authorities do not tell them, go to this church, everything is fine there , no one is forcing them, look, vitaly, the latest polls show that this is 4% of the population, a lot of people have turned away from this church. and they stopped going to them, and here we have to thank the people, and those who go, i talked with them, went to these churches, made films about them, so they say, listen, well, the state does not say that we are some kind, that this is some kind of wrong. to the church, if we, we are patriots, some of them say, if the state says that they are connected with russia, that there is no need to go here, we will go to another church, or we will move together with the parish

to the ocu, or we will do something else , but does the state support them, so what questions do people have, if the state tolerates this presence of a russian organization in ukraine and their clergy themselves say so, the state does not ban us, they only shout, well, we work legally, so what do you afraid why you do you listen to these nationalists or people who do not understand the canon well, on the other hand, the state has now arrested metropolitan pavlo, the former head of the kyiv-pechersk lavra, he is on trial, now they say that he may have serious problems with justice, even in imprisonment for up to eight years, confiscation of property under the articles under which it is carried out, is this also an indicator? vitaly, yes, but look, in our country, 68 criminal cases have been initiated against the clerical clergy of the bishops of this church. how many are there in total do you know us? i think a little more, well yes, here we have 12, there are approximately 12-15 thousand , no one really knows if there are from 9 to 12,000

parishes, each of which has at least one priest, and as a rule there are several of them in the parishes, so do the math, what is 68, compared to 1200, it is nothing, if we talk about how the dialogue in society should develop, why now there are authoritative ukrainian public... or politicians do not talk about the steps that need to be taken, but i saw it from another point of view on the other hand, yes, i saw the great address of the former deputy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, vadym novinsky in defense of the uoc of the moscow patriarchate, he made a big statement that the state oppresses the churches, he, as a person who is directly connected with this religious organization, actively works, does not remain silent, even after he signed the mandate of the people's deputy of ukraine , and people who, in principle, continue. engage in political and legislative activities, they should also somehow unite around the problems that exist with ukrainian church life, well , in principle, i also work actively, knowing the truth

very good vadim novinsky, we worked with him in the same committee, which precisely regulated religious issues, when this committee appealed, prepared an appeal to bartholomew regarding the provision of tomos, for example, and i try to work, why, there are many reasons, one of the reasons is because some greek catholics think why strengthen the orthodox church, the orthodox believe that the government is against it, if we support it, they will again say that we are for poroshenko and against the government, the government believes that poroshenko is promoting this , means poroshenko it does not advance, because our law was signed by representatives of all factions , by the way, poroshenko did not sign it, he was not in kyiv at that time, he supports it, but his signature is not there, when we collected these signatures, but there are signatures of p slug people and voice and actually all churches. the voice believes that the president will not support it, so there is no point in proposing this bill. the orthodox church believes that

it is not ukrainian, that it will not eat such a large number of russian priests, they did not prepare their own, they do not will cope, and the government does not really support it. our religious scholars, they do not know law, international law at all, they do not understand conventions, they are very often the heirs of the soviet system of religious studies, who in soviet times wrote the same articles for atheism and against religion, and now they have become the largest orthodox, and here they are they say that it is undemocratic, so supposedly democratic, when we have a branch of the russian army, the fsb, interfering in our politics here, because most of them do not care about the state and national security, they have no idea what that is. what could be the development of events in this field, in the near future , well, from a practical point of view, i will prepare amendments to this government law, although it is very difficult to make them, because amendments cannot change the essence of the law, there is such a legal norm, you you can take something away or

add something, but you cannot rewrite the law, well , i will try as much as possible and i will try to explain further that the only legal way to ban the russian church in ukraine, and this is extremely necessary for the fact that it is important for the preservation of our national security and for the protection of our country, is to adopt our law. 8221 and prohibit it in a legislative way, as it happened in latvia, so that it does not contradict the convention on human rights, because this government law actually contradicts the practice of the european court of human rights, which we studied deeply, and when the latvian parliament made the relevant decision after the order of the president of latvia, agil levits, the then president latvia, there was some international reaction, here is an interesting moment, how the hundred reacted to this decision of latvia in. in the world, except for the russian protests, everyone understood it, because it corresponds to the convention on the protection of human rights, and it is obvious that there was no negativity, everyone

treated it with understanding. i am i also wanted to ask you about the fact that we are currently facing a situation where the russian orthodox church, with its center in moscow, is dealing with the fact that it is already acting on its own in the occupied territories, and not even is trying to disguise itself as the structure of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, and here the question arises whether we should, uh, react to it or not, because just this week the decision of the synod of the russian orthodox church was passed , that the metropolitan of crimea will be known a russian religious figure, and a religious figure around, metropolitan tikhon, who is called the confessor of the president of the russian federation, and this person is definitely from a russian politician, not even from the church, this is the first time that moscow appointed its metropolitan to crimea, after he was appointed from kyiv for decades, and the question arises, why do we not perceive this

as a continuation of those actions of annexations that have been taking place since 2013, or should we perceive it that way at all? well, of course we should perceive it as such, i wonder why the so-called uocp, which tells us that it is not connected with russia in any way, where are their protests, angry letters, where are the urgent meetings of the synod, is not perceived example, when immediate subordinates pass dioceses in the occupied territories, the same thing happened in other occupied territories , but they are silent, they do not condemn... they condemn those bishops of theirs who immediately transferred, left their subordination, are directly subordinate to moscow, call for the extermination of ukrainians, part of of them left for moscow in those territories that were de-occupied, i did not hear anything about any decisions of the church court, condemnation of the synod, termination of service, as is the case with those priests in the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate,

who would like this church to serve the ukrainian people, they are forbidden, they are forbidden to serve, and those who want them to serve in moscow, no one forbids them, right? here is the answer to your question. well, in that case, in principle, i understand that this is a long enough process, in any case, even if we imagine the improvement of this draft law, the very moment, so to speak , of the state's refusal to let the church work on ukrainian territory, which has a religious center in russia, this is still a very doubtful prospect, well, look. law 8221, it can be adopted in a month and in two months completely ban their activities, terminate all lease agreements, take away property, explain to people and the flock that they can join the ocu, they can not join, register their own, any a religious organization that is not connected to moscow, and to serve calmly even with the same priest, eh, there is no will of the state for this, and above all there is no will of the president, for what reasons this will is not there,

it is difficult for me to say, we have problem in because, for example, the president, well, in general, i work in the opposition, i initiated this law, we did not have a single meeting with him during the entire election of the president, i never saw him when poroshenko was president, i was not in his party, but poroshenko met with all the parties, when the war broke out in israel, where a slightly different type of republic, prime minister netanyahu immediately met with all his political opponents and told you about the situation on the fronts, he proposed to create a coalition, one of his opponents entered. someone refused, but he at least communicates with them and conducts a dialogue, our president used to say all the time that he wanted a dialogue with putin, now it is obvious that he does not want him, he wants victory, but he still has a dialogue with his own people and with the opposition in the parliament does not want to, but if this dialogue arises and we can honestly talk in the so-called political elite about all the threats that both the government and the opposition face together, get involved in order to overcome it, we will very quickly smooth it out, thank you, mykola knyazhytska, people's deputy of ukraine in our

ether, thank you mr. myko. and we conclude our communication with you, dear friends, and i wish you a peaceful , calm evening, at least today and victory, as the most important thing, good luck, i welcome you to the espresso channel, today our military program will be devoted to things related to strategies and to tactics. when we talk about strategy , we will try to assess the current situation in which the defense and offensive of our army are now taking place, and why the next year of war, against the background of international changes, analysts are willing to consider which bring a number of new challenges and mysteries for ukraine. and when it comes to tactics, or a little more broadly, it is about actions and approaches.