[000:00:00;00] the border with mexico or from where crime and fentanyl and other drugs come and what not and this is a challenge for the life of every american and it is clear that for them this is the number one and number two issue, so understanding that you cannot lose to autocracies and support is needed for the future, this can be a positive result of all this. but nevertheless, again, challenges in the context of aid, will we receive military aid, i believe that yes, and now there are no direct threats to this, but in general financial aid, it may gradually to decrease, and we already see that the americans are asking for less aid, of course, this requires a detailed analysis there

, how much, what is needed, what analysis... of risks, what analysis of needs, and much, much more, but nevertheless, we we have to understand that the world is complex, not for nothing, this package includes aid to taiwan , there will be presidential elections in january, very non-trivial, in my opinion, with a larger number of candidates, and for the chinese leadership, this is a very difficult moment to understand , and what is their further policy and line regarding: in taiwan, are they ready to raise rates, and most importantly, how to raise rates, and in fact, these questions, they are piled up and in one basket, such a world basket, as it is sometimes called, does not fit anymore, it is necessary to somehow spread them , and it is not possible to explain it yet, of course, mr. pavlo, before we, er, get distracted by a short advertisement, i still want to ask you one question, and

again i am touched: for what you said, the help of the united states of america, you had to work as a minister of foreign affairs, probably 2.5 years, under donald trump, the truth is that you worked for about 2.5 years, about half that time, five years, plus or minus, yes, how difficult it is, was it possible to easily work with the administration of donald trump in the matter of aid to ukraine, and both, the binary mentality does not work here, there were people in his administration who were true friends of ukraine, who understood our needs, this is the minister of defense, and many others, and eventually the secretary of state, tiller, that is, and actually, you remember that

we got the first javelins for trump, how it happened is the subject of another conversation, but nevertheless, therefore, trump is a person who is emotional, who, er, understands his emotion, but also, he has such a business background, he understands what the system is, now many people in the states understand that the world is either based on rules or... in chaos or in a mess, here trump, by the way, is different from this and says : well, maybe we can agree somewhere on a conceptual level, sometimes it is very difficult, sometimes it helps, that is, again to say in which side it will go, it can be situational and depends on the situation in the world, but also on emotions, well, in principle, trump's policy is

very... emotional, and in this sense, it is less, less strategic, if, if you like, but again, it's not bad and it's not good, it's a certain fact, you already, you already, you already answered the question that i wanted to ask you next, about whether trump will, for example, if he wins next year's election as the trump he was when you were minister, there won't be, you know perfectly well, the answer, i won't even explain why, yes , yes, okay, mr. pavlo, we're going to a short commercial, stay with us and i also ask all the viewers to stay with us, we'll be back in just a few minutes, it was me , before, bleeding gums, inflammation of the gums, and the solution was so simple, problems with

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algorithm youtube, so please put likes, yes, and i'm going back to the conversation with mr. pavel, mr. pavel, let's now talk about another topic that was on everyone 's lips last week, well, not everyone, people, people. who are interested in international affairs, she was definitely on the lips, this is the visit of the bunker president to china, this was the second foreign trip, well , not counting kyrgyzstan, through kyrgyzstan he flew to kaz to china and met there with the leader of the heavenly xi jinping, when you watched and analyzed that, how they met, what they talked about, what they agreed on, you have the impression that was formed, who was speaking from a position of strength, and who was speaking from a position of weakness, i.e. who was, to whom the master? i am reading, mr. yuriev, the titer in front of me on the screens, putin is in beijing, it was a meeting of equals, i

understand that this is your kind of, uh, non-trivial trolling, in fact, it is clear to everyone that today china, and xi, in particular, as the chinese leader, this is a senior partner, are they classic partners, or is it gradually becoming a vassal dependence of russia, this is a question, i believe that both are the case when we talk about 200 billion in trade turnover, this means that on the one hand , russia is increasingly dependent on china, and one day there will be a point of no return, but on the other hand, as of today, china is enabling russia to actually...

wage this war, so you show putin, who went to the press conference after the meeting with xi, please note that putin's press conference, not putin's xi, and this is for the chinese who are conscious and know the protocol in the last there, at least 3000 years, says a lot, and in chinese, from today's russian of course, the regime needs resources and the chinese receive them, by the way, for some reason we believe that everything that putin cannot export to the west, he exports to china, this is not true, for example, if we take oil, then china took over a very small part of the oil that was released

, it mainly went to india and other countries according to various schemes there, it is very important for russia to agree on the second stage of the gas pipeline to siberia, since there is nowhere for the gas to go, well , the chinese there will screw the russians everything they can on this, having received conditions and discounts , which probably no one will get in this energy for the world, and for china. a very serious conversation, this is a conversation about how to use putin and russia and the russian regime to confront the united states, because in china the entire elite believes that this confrontation will determine, well, at least the next generation, how it will take place, peacefully, not very, at the level of reaction, or... at the level of rivalry

, once upon a time, the european union formed the meaning of its policy towards china, held by principles, or, if you want, in three words, it is actually all starting from rivalry to the partnership, they have invested everything in this entire block, that is, they say that there is a strategic competition between the eu and china, there are rivalries and actually there are partnerships, how it is invested together is almost impossible today, you see how in china everything no longer understand that china does not like this world system and world order, although china largely does not want to take responsibility for it. however, this logic,

the logic is changing, and china needs putin and needs the russian regime, which is why they are not interested in putin winning, but not being so interested in putin finally losing is our fundamental challenge, and from the point of view of what i saw from china, i definitely did not see equal partners, i saw, tichne, definitely not an equal partnership, if it is a partnership at all, and not just russia's dependence on china , that is, today we no longer have, as they say, a system where they balance each other, rather the chinese use russia, and the last thing, there was no trust between them and there will be no trust. that is, this partnership will not turn into

an alliance, but the use of each other, in putin has no other way out, and everyone has no better, better option to use , so this cynical, cynical interaction, it will continue, and i believe that for putin this visit and this meeting, it was the main meeting, at least this year, mr. pavlo , look, you talked about the point of no return to this vassal dependence, what is it, this point of no return will come, and under what conditions it can come, it will come when... the west will raise the stakes and take russian isolation more seriously, but you see that the west does not want putin does not want to do this with his regime, and most importantly russia as such, since

the regime will one day end, whether the new regime will be better is a big question for me, because the problem of russia is not only putin, it is actually russia itself. russians, but nevertheless, the west does not want the russian regime to fall into final and irreversible dependence on china, and this is also part of the calculation of many in the west, and while china will be the main one who allows to satisfy its needs, but also in some technologies and in technologist. dual-use, this dependence will increase, part of the russian elites , if you can call them that, of course, they are not just suspicious, mistrustful, even more negative towards china and do not want to go there, but this

means that the west will continue to to play with these elites in order to break them in relation to the movement towards china, putin himself has no special way out, since putin is already a toxic figure in today's world, and both in the west and in the non-west, but what will happen next, let's see, we live in today's world moment and worry, precisely for today 's moment, the world looks at the long term, and unfortunately, we cannot afford such happiness, now... but we will definitely be able to afford it in the future. i really want it. mr. pavlo, now let's move from east to west. last week , the news spread that the european parliament had created a support fund for ukraine worth 50 billion euros and the european

parliament voted for it. well, we were rejoicing here last week, and perhaps we are rejoicing prematurely, because as far as i understand, now it is necessary to to vote for this resolution of the european parliament in each individual country of the european union. what could be next? no, no, mr. yuri, everything is not so bad, in fact, the fund was not created by the european parliament, although of course we are grateful to the members of the european parliament and give them credit. the fund was created by the european commission at the request of the european council, that is, the yesivsk agreement already exists, the question is not that it all needs to be voted on and so on, the money will not come from national budgets, but directly from the european budget, part of this money, the european

union, will take on the open markets, as far as i understand from brussels, all these 50 billion are, so to speak, safe for ukraine, there will be no fundamental ... threat that something will break in relation to the 50 billion, then of course there will be discussions, how and when to use them, but this is already question number two, in the sense of understanding that 50 billion for 4 years is fixed, it is certainly not enough, but it is a very important political and actually financial signal in the sense that even during the war we have a macroeconomic stability, and we see it, and it is very not obviously history, and this is an achievement of both ours and our friends and partners, and a very, very great achievement, because putin and many hoped that this macroeconomic

stability would crumble, and yet it exists, it does not mean that it is not necessary ... they definitely have problems and challenges, but with 50 billion, everything is fine with them, i would say so briefly, well, that's it, that's great, thank you for the clarification, because really, it seemed to me that when the european parliament votes , ratifies, or rather, then further ratification in each individual country, but thank god that you explained that everything is fine with this, let's talk a little more about europe and support anyway. from the side of europe, for example, the prime minister of hungary, viktor orban, well, that is the impression, he cannot calm down , even though he was promised to return, or rather, unblock 13 billion euros, er, which the european union was supposed to give him, but blocked, he still continues to talk and talk , last week he was in an interview , i don't remember who, he said in an interview

that it is not true that ukrainians are fighting for europe, no, russia will be too does not threaten europe, please tell me, why does he continue to show so openly that he is mad at brussels , is this a game, or could there be something else, well, i will say that he...' even 17 billion, not 13, can break even , that is, his happiness in quotation marks will be even greater, and this includes the fee, we must frankly speak for his consent to the beginning of the preliminary process with us, i think that orban will still throw out many different feints, when separate chapters of the preliminary process will be opened, we we understand this perfectly,

orbán is the only one of the western leaders, and i do i consider hungary a western country, or is orbán a western leader, that’s a question, actually, but hungary is definitely a western country, i met putin officially, i tell everyone that even the serbian president is traditionally friendly in the country, well, they are moving there, but they are traditionally friendly to russia , crossed each other somewhere in the corridor, i don’t know, they shook hands, hugged, but crossed each other, but orban decided that it was necessary to sit on such chairs, record there, video, camera, put up flags, that is, this is a classic official meeting, a game, in which orban plays, she in fact, it is very clear, this game is about the fact that i will continue to trade, i will trade for, for yees money.

at the same time, i will receive discounts from moscow, and putin will definitely thank orban , and this is part of a fairly stable attitude, or rather, not even an attitude, but orban's position in domestic politics, since energy prices determine tariffs, and in any country, including ours, tariffs are a serious story... very emotional for people and very important to how much and how they spend, meaning many people just supports orbán, he says: we will have stability, prices will not rise much, and i guarantee you that, some people protest because they understand what this means, especially in big cities, but some people agree, and we have to say that honestly , well, and the third part of him... she also understood, he wants to be such a little ardaan, maybe i don’t know, and play the game there

among strangers, a stranger among his own, and be a certain mediator between the west and china, the west and putin, and then use it, so what he won't stop this game, he will continue it, he understands that in modern... reality, he has such a sense, if you will, intuition, er, it makes him stronger, or rather, not even stronger, it protects him within the eu and nato, despite such a frank, contemptuous attitude towards some western values, you know that the money we are talking about, 17 billion, was suspended in hungary for violating the fundamental principles of the rule of law, and 30 billion was also suspended in poland, but with the new coalition, well, let's see how it is

will be, but nevertheless, there is every chance that this money will be returned to poland, and let's face it, if orbán still receives his 17 billion, it will strengthen his position inside hungary, regarding his election. yes, in relation to the part of the business that is oriented towards him, so too, so this is a cynical game, and he will continue this cynical game, after all, it is a game, and it is a pity that it will continue, because it will reflect negatively, obviously on us, 100%, but we also have levers, i think they are joint levers with the european commission and so on, it is not yet time talk about them, but i think that... in fact , the conversation can be, i won't say pleasant, but effective, it's interesting, mr. pavlo, look,

now let's support nato, well, i've been there for almost two weeks. therefore, at the meeting of the ministers of foreign affairs, nato member countries in brussels, i heard, i heard this support, at least there, at the meeting, at least on the sidelines, i heard it, please tell me, and this aftertaste, what is the taste for you after this got to the meeting because volodymyr zelenskyi was present there, you get the impression that nato will be there continue to support ukraine, even though they say this is a russian war. will be protracted, yes, definitely, that is, i will not say that i am there with every country there , i communicate every other day, but in the key countries i have many good acquaintances, eh, there is a history of relations with them and friends, and i do not

i feel that some country wants to slip away or jump out of our support, i... for example, i feel that we have the opposite situation, when at the beginning of the war, it was difficult for us to convince people, and they watched what was happening, and politicians supported us consistently enough, now, among the people, we have more or less permanent support, politicians are thinking, how can they continue to support ukraine. win elections at the same time, because there is inflation, energy prices, and so on , and how are they supposed to reconcile their own budgets, and i believe that the situation can always change, but we still have to use it properly, so in i'm afraid that someone, like us, sorry for

the slang, there is no kine, and even. the country you and i talked about before is hungary, that is, it will not push sticks in the wheels? there will be, there will be, there will be a lot, and they have a strategy to put sticks in our wheels, but this does not mean that hungary is finally exterminated from this, i tell everyone, no matter how easy neighbors the hungarians are, or rather, hungary, i i'm not talking about the hungarians, anyway they agreed to all the sanctions packages, of course they accompany every discussion with their feints, but the sanctions are there, that's why, as we said, it's a game, orban , as of today, publicly does not want to see ukraine as a member of nato, but this is only the beginning of the process , and let's see what hungary will be like in the future, so everything is just beginning, but

whoever said it would be easy, orbán will create a problem for us both within nato and within the european union. well, it's a great pity, and since you said that hungary will unfortunately throw these feints at us, but it's good that we have some anti-feints against hungarian feints, together with our partners and allies. mr. pavlo, i thank you very much for participating in today's program, for your expert answers and comments, it was pavlo klimkin, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2014-2009 15 years, well, we need to summarize already, we saw today in the conversation that the world is with us, despite everything that is happening, the conflict in the middle east, despite the meetings and handshakes between putin and sydzenpin and handshakes between orbán and putin, the world will continue

to be with us, because it has to be, well , that's all i have in everything for today in the program world at war, that's just for today , because next time we meet next monday at the usual time, there will be new guests, there will be new topics, but it will be interesting as always, my name is yuriy fizar, see you soon. it's 2:00 p.m. in ukraine, for your attention a news release on the espresso tv channel in the studio of iryna koval, greetings to all viewers. round-the-clock fighting continues in the direction of bakhmut, defense forces are having success east of klishchiivka and andriivka. at the same time, according to the information of the general staff, the occupiers made more than 50 unsuccessful attempts to restore lost positions and pressed

near vasyukivka, bohdanivka, and khromovo. the russians are suffering significant losses, but they