[000:00:00;00] an alternative to the tax police, well, to get rid of those old practices, which we just saw on the video series, and a new analytical body that speaks to business in the language of numbers, not machines, then the ex-head of the tax police was hired there, and 90% of people from the tax police, then this body is managed by the third, fourth person , they have already changed... there are five watchers, and no one was in charge there, the sbushnik, and the policeman, and the prosecutor were in charge there, but before that, a tax police officer, well, to be honest, i am as the head of the profile tsk, i can tell you that the things i know about bep, well, nothing good, as speaking, well, i am ashamed to tell about them, how they steal cigarettes, the story with iphones that were supposedly shipped

to military units, well, and other things, about which, indeed, criminal cases have already been filed with us, mr. yaroslav, well, i would just like to remind our viewers that the economic security bureau was actually created in may 2021, i will allow myself to call this body truly newly created, i.e. and here we are again we are talking about reforming this body, and you propose it, in particular with your draft law, what are the first steps of reforming the bureau of economic security, see, once again, i do not really agree with the wording created, created - this is when something is done from scratch, and when it is changed a sign on the door of the tax police, well, to be honest, it is anything but creation, profanation is probably a better word, with the draft law we are doing what should have been done from the very beginning, the only correct option,

the only one that works in ukraine, especially in office the political system, the election of the chairman is transparent to competitions with the participation of internationals and with the participation of ukrainian businesses, we choose this body for business, they will all participate, further, this is a complete reboot of the entire composition of this body, now there are 10,050 people working there, it is not difficult to reboot , drive out most of the people there, i think that they will come out on their own, drive out others, at least for some elementary knowledge and checking the declaration, i think that there will be interest. 10-15 from strength, the third is political independence, because i will remind you that the only head of this babe who was elected there, although, well, he was appointed from the office of the president, but legally, this process was called election, he learned about his dismissal, i'm sorry, but from my telegram channel, well , if you expect independence from such a body, well, quite naively, this is a demand not only of ukrainian business, because

our bill was supported by the american chamber of commerce, the european business association, the union of ukrainian entrepreneurs, the all-ukrainian agrarian council, the ukrainian business council, well, in short, i can go on for a long time to list the business associations that have supported, but this is also a requirement of our international partners, that official letter about reforms from the united states that they sent to our government and the office of the president, there is exactly on the fifth page about the reboot of bebu, exactly what i told you, and the demand of the imf and the demand of the european union, i hope that will be the demand of the world bank. in theirs on the new dpl, so, well, look, if you do the same thing and expect a different result, well, it ’s called already zaprini, that’s what i said, no manestein, and if we want to get a really normal working body that will be trusted by business, well, it starts with people, because if we recruit tax police officers like her, they will show some new

method of interaction with themselves in addition to the one we just saw on the video series, just in time. mr. yaroslav, stay, be kind to us. mykhailo tsimbalyuk. people's deputy of ukraine. how should we reform the bureau of economic security so that they do what they want, for example, our american european partners and what would like our ukrainian enterprises, but at the same time, that they deal with it carefully according to the law and so on. how difficult is it to reform such bodies? you know, i... it is not the first time that i agree with almost every word of mr. yaroslav, but i would not believe that such a service can be reformed, it must be disbanded, yes, they are so disorganized when this law was voted on, uh, i remember that ms. smagliuk and i had very lively discussions, and i know something about it, i said even then that this

draft law, which has become law, is doomed to failure, because the very ideas were incorrectly laid there, and after all those who were in the tax police were appointed, who are carriers of that not... negativity, which the whole society was fighting against and they said that they should simply be disbanded , then all those who were able to solve it, they moved to this new structure and not even the signboard changed, because their premises are completely different, they just started doing the worst version of what the tax police did, they inherited all the negativity, because of that and i have what we have just a question to the committee, and to the government in general, why so long? i haven’t seen how they are appointed, who is appointed, what kind of competitions are there, i’m sorry, it’s funny to look people in the eyes, and these entrepreneurs, and i’m sorry, when we don’t have enough troops at the front and

when the bep special unit comes in, it’s not only here in lviv, this is also the case in other cities, and when they enter enterprises with such storms, people wonder, where do they pay taxes? in order to keep such bodies, because of that, it is definitely necessary to revise the wording, whether it will be possible to appoint or elect an independent manager, i have great doubts whether the committee is capable enough to influence the process so that after all a politically independent manager is elected, it seems to me that it would be better if this unit were headed by a person, a specialist who will have a certain political will of the top management to bring order there, then clearly, otherwise it will remain within the same framework, that it is not a law enforcement agency, it has all the signs of a law enforcement agency and everything is written

in the law, it is a force structure, a force structure and law enforcement are slightly different functions , that's why it's unacceptable, we have a period when every budget penny is in the account, we should be grateful to entrepreneurs who create... jobs and work, go in there and take what you can by force to remove the investigator just like that, the investigative team left, invited witnesses and recorded everything, and what mr. yaroslav says is material evidence, the investigator is categorically prohibited from revealing the secret of the investigation, which was removed, and excuse me, they take seals, take a picture, then drop it, who, this is already... an official crime, it is necessary to initiate proceedings on it, and then , that is, on this, on this story, proceedings can be opened, if it were a democratic legal society in our country, then the lawyers would break this case down

due to the fact that someone leaked the information, made it publicly available, that's all, yaroslav zheletnyak, people's deputy of ukraine, is in touch with us. mr. yaroslav, but in this specific case, although it is possible and not only in this specific case, we understand, you know, entrepreneurs complain, the authorities is throwing up his hands, people's deputies are writing a draft law and it's as if the matter is somehow suspended, if we talk about specific terms and about specific tools in order to, well, help various entrepreneurs, you understand, they don't cook shishka in garages, i don't know, and heroin convoys don't arrange, well, the entrepreneurs who are engaged in the restaurant business there, they are busy, they are also doing something, well, something like that, you understand, that is, they are not plotting something against the world economy, but, but there are law enforcement agencies bodies, so to speak, investigators, who follow the letter of the law and

their own procedural matters, which i do not understand very well, but what to do at a specific time with specific situations, let's take the last vote, which should have been in the last to our plenary session, that's right... on the project on rebooting the baby, unfortunately, the people's deputies were so happy to vote for the ban of the moscow church that our quorum dropped a little and we had to postpone it to the next session, i think we will vote on the liquidation body, look, i would be happy to eliminate, if not for one detail, that these criminal articles will still be considered by other law enforcement agencies, well, that is, there will not be a vacuum, and these other law enforcement agencies - either the sbi or the economic department of the security service of ukraine, which in fact, it was liquidated in theory a long time ago, or the national police, well, to put it mildly, there is even less trust there, so it is just a normal requirement of business that beb exists, they, well, i remember a recent conversation with one of

the businessmen, they say look, at my company now the dbr, the prosecutor, the national police, bebowitz and the sbu, and each of them requires, to put it mildly, an illegal notarial exit. as for specifically such cases, well, once again, well, well, if this body were working, what would happen, there would be a disciplinary check right away, there would be someone responsible right away, including for the preservation of information, because in addition to these photos , well, just imagine, they can search any businessman, and then they go out to the whole country and say you are a criminal, this is a law enforcement agency, this is not bloggers, this is not facebook photo session, these are not even people's deputies, this is a law enforcement agency that must prove, well , at least give suspicion, well, at least after suspicion, such.

to do, but unfortunately, the bep and all other law enforcement agencies now , well, i’m talking a little, have become an outdoor photo shoot, and this remark not only destroys trust in law enforcement agencies, it also, god forbid, this case will be real , then it will really fall apart in court, just like, for example, the initiation of cases under completely different articles, in general, but for understanding in terms of economic a crime, do you know how many of us are actually brought to court, even i don't say that you? and 94, well, this is a hook by which a law enforcement officer hooks any businessman, well, clearly non-reform is still taking place, that 's what our problem is, and now the pressure of law enforcement officers is one of the biggest problems for ukrainian business, that's literally two hours ago the union of ukrainian entrepreneurs submitted a request for conditional reporting on controlled campaigns, but they are not concerned about taxes, the burden

of reporting, or the difficulty of administration. the first point, why are they asking to simplify it, they say because we are afraid to reveal this information to ukrainian law enforcement officers , no, we will change residency, and this is a problem, because we are losing money, we are losing people, we are losing investments, and after such photos with searches for automatic machines, well, to put it mildly, it is difficult for me to find arguments why it. companies that left, for example, ukraine, or that are currently being created by our refugees, should return to ukraine. well, paitishniki, they definitely won't come back when they can come to you a person with a machine gun, because she wanted to check how salaries are paid, once again, there are 100-500 methods of how to check this , in a civilized way, so where the search can be conducted in a civilized way, i still wonder why, in fact, the official law enforcement agencies of our state

business, which is considered to be the driver of the economy everywhere in the world, is precisely the potential criminals who should be approached with automatic machines, you know, the weed of decriminalization or something, i wanted to ask, but look, a couple of weeks ago there was such a rather loud case with the so-called by the state audit service, yes, which asked a lot of questions that leading firms or companies, more precisely in the field of defense industry, were forced to write to all authorities. now we understand, business representatives and representatives have met, so to speak, those who should protect them , and help them work somehow more correctly, and also, you see, entrepreneurs are beginning to complain, we remember that at one time, how reacted and the socket itself, they are, for example, the same bep, in which he is it's just that somehow it's as autonomous as the state audit service, well, you know, as for the case of the audit service, i delved into this

problem a bit, in fact the problem was created by the cabinet of ministers, approving the resolution in my opinion in march of last year, mr. yaroslav may know more clearly, he is still in the committee of economic policy, but after realizing that the limitation of profit there, one there or two percent, it is not enough, they did not cancel this resolution, and it is valid, or was. valid, and the state audit service is governed by regulatory documents, including this laws, resolutions of the cabinet of ministers, the code and, and they did their professional work, and the cabinet of ministers should have reacted , realizing that this is the situation, they do not react, because they understand that this is a problem that they created, and business suffers and the state suffers a structure that performs its work professionally, that's why here... there should

be synchronicity of the activities of the executive power and not create such problems, and then think about how to solve them, regarding the use of law enforcement units during searches, well, in fact, in my opinion, this is such a psychological pressure, before i i know, special units were not always used for economic crimes, as a rule, this is when arresting, especially dangerous criminals, during searches there on suspicion of especially ty crimes, i emphasize once again, not economic, in economic crimes, as a rule, it is called such, the ice rink and psychological pressure are included , what do you see, we have come to you. with a machine, and as for a specific matter, excuse me, in the whole world, entrepreneurs or business people are working on how to minimize the payment of taxes in a legal way, the same is done by a large the number of our enterprises, when we in food establishments receive, for example, two

checks for lunch or dinner, this is a normal practice, if it is within the framework of the current legislation, let's create other laws and there will be one check conditionally, if it is not prohibited today, it means it is allowed, and not just such a mask show, and by the way, i received calls from germany, who often came to lviv and visited these establishments, they do not understand how during the war, sorry, butchering the hen that lays golden eggs is a job-creating enterprise that pays tax, there is a violation of economic activity, please give us the materials and let them. is being investigated rather than blocking work. mr. yaroslav, finally, how do our european partners, in particular, react to all these public spectacles with inspections of ukrainian businesses? well, here actually, for them the issue of the law enforcement system

has been there for a long time, they have enough selective justice, and therefore, if you open again, for example, the letter of the united states to the donor platform. then there you will see bp reform and in general a lot of things to the law enforcement system, this is probably the main focus there, but sorry, i’ll just remind you that we finance the army with our own money, well, with taxpayers’ money, and there will be fewer restaurants, well, conditionally, there will be less money for the army, and this money is for us foreigners are not covered, and that is why this is a big problem, even there again these letters, they are presented not only in ukraine, they are presented in many other countries, well, if we conditionally treat our business in this way there, at some point they are just themselves they will choose another residence, another country, and that's it, and lviv is a wonderful city, but it

's not only about lviv, we understand that guys and girls from fest work outside ukraine, and not only in lviv and kyiv. and in odesa, and in krakow and so on, that is, we also understand how information is transmitted in business environments, well, people say, listen , you see something here, at some point they just, well, lviv is wonderful city, and this is what i understand to be their native, native city, well, but they are just, well, why are we chasing criminal cases, they will gather and they will go somewhere to the west of lviv, and by the way, about lviv and bep, well, again, as the head of the dsk on economic security, well, excuse me, but there are such enterprises that are very well-known, for example, in the field of illegal products, or very well-known for smuggling, and you can see the searches there, but you can see the result there first, because there are not 50 million, even theoretical losses, there are already tens of billions somewhere, we adopt separate laws to prohibit some

duty-free schemes, well, that's why i say that this issue is primarily for us, because i'm sorry, but foreign aid will end someday, god forbid it won't be soon, but it will end someday, we need to set up our businesses here, we need to set up foreign businesses here, and i am talking a lot now with business associations, because they are so very they are actively asking about this draft law on pro-loading babies, well, listen, it’s true, this is one of the sprazes, there is a very , very, very expensive restaurant in kyiv, we won’t advertise it now, but one of the business owners says that i’m going to the restaurant now. i see there at almost all the tables people who are not businessmen who are law enforcement officers, but please tell me, dear yaroslav, where do they get the money for such a restaurant and for such cars, which i cannot afford, this person is a multi-millionaire, well, i really do, you know , it causes,

well, not even any anger, but fear, because i understand that all businessmen like him, they will go where the restaurants are inexpensive, where real businessmen sit. not officials, law enforcement officers, but we with these rascals will stay further and try to serve the country, i am not like that i don’t want it for myself, not for my children, i didn’t come to the parliament for that, to oppose and remain silent, that’s why we will include everyone , including internationals, who will help the entire reboot, thank you, thank you, yaroslav zhelezhnyak, the people’s deputy of ukraine, first deputy, deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on finance, tax and customs policy in our studio mykhailo tsimbalyuk, people's deputy of ukraine. it is as if the state budget was voted on in the first reading. history is important, we understand that state budget we have a lot, but, so to speak, between income and expenses

, we have a gap somewhere, well, i don’t want to name this astronomical amount, and i wanted to ask you right away, mr. mykhailo , that is, when we drew up this budget, we included planned assistance from our western donors, well, for example, today the hungarians again cut us 500 million euros , so help from the european union, because the hungarians are waiting for their so-called hide and seek to be resolved, with the otp bank, which we don't like so much we respect the strength of others relations of this bank, so to speak, not only with hungarians and so on, our state budget, and what should we expect? in fact, the state budget is difficult, they answer, after a pause, mr. mykhailo, after the pauses, a short pause, and after it , mr. mykhailo tsimbalyuk will tell us what to expect from our budget and whether there will be inflation, so wait. stiffness in the joints and spine, osteochondrosis, gout, radiculitis, arthritis and arthrosis. with all these problems,

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we need about 5 hryvnias in the hryvnia equivalent . will cover, overlap, and we understand that there is good will of our western financial allies, partners and so on, but certain cases may happen. mr. mykhailo, the deputies' voices echoed in the session hall without names in this regard budget option, well, on the other hand, we didn’t have any other choice either, well, we have to finance the army of the ministry of internal affairs, the sbu, the same bep, there is a social worker, well, from the bep, they took away funding from construction and directed it to the treatment of our military, including on prosthetics, actually the budget is very complex, it is the second budget of the war, and of course, the lion's share went to the defense sector, and rightly so. the second column is social benefits, social welfare is not easy, because excuse me,

when is the real living wage today, and what is it? this is something to live for, he is uah 9,000, two are fixed in the budget, uah 2,930, well, it's not even half, so how can they live, especially low-income pensioners, and a very large amount of payments is tied to the subsistence minimum, but in general, regarding the budget, i, i believe that our international partners will still fulfill their obligations, yes, and work is actively underway now, the expertise of the cabinet of ministers and the national bank is important, because they are the main negotiators with the imf, the imf is not even a third of our borrowings. but macro-financial indicators, they fix if there is cooperation with the imf, then other borrowers, they cooperate with ukraine, because of this, it is extremely important, but the imf sets, gives

money, it sets its conditions, and it forces the conditions. fulfill our, our state, it is fixed, it is very important, next year there will be an indexed pension, and it is important for us , in the spring, the inflation rate, the indexed pension, mr. mykhailo, hint how much by 0.5% or by 10%, i will tell you i will say this, the minimum pension will increase by approximately uah 300 already this year, next year the indexation will be about half, i mean, depending from... the amount, from service, years, experience, there are a lot of factors, but not essentially, but the level of inflation, this increase will cover, this is what the state can allocate, let 's be realistic, i would like more, and we we talk about this in the social committee, but we need to know where to take it, many are worried, because really everyone already knows that everything that the state earns by paying taxes of all our

citizens, it goes to the defense sector, although the social sphere, state, employees, we ask you to borrow everything, or give it as a gift, if you don't give it god, something, we have record foreign exchange reserves, the state, the national bank will be forced to realize, that is, sell , foreign exchange reserves, dollars in order to cover the budget deficit that may arise, i am sure there will be a collapse, moreover, the united states will allocate , but so far less than promised, with the european union it is also a difficult story, but it depends on the government, on the authorities as a whole, whether it will be possible to convince the imf so that ukraine does not pay interest this year, i.e. debt obligations, if it succeeds, then we will survive the budget year more

comfortably, if not, then of course, the government, they should bear responsibility. and they will still sell currency in order to ensure the social component and salary of such a successful prime minister, pavlov was like that, you remember, god forbid it happens again, you understand, that is, the experts are different, but our government is ukrainian , he is reliable and professional, mykhailo tsimbalyuk, people's deputy of ukraine, first deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on social policy and protection of veterans' rights, the lieutenant general of the police was with us for the whole hour, thank you very much for this studio, many issues were discussed, thank you too, thank you khrystyna, so many issues were not discussed, unfortunately, but now our colleagues will work, i hope so say, will pick up our baton reliably and temperamentally, we pass the floor to iryna koval, thank you colleagues, for a moment about the most important events,