the united states, china's squadron is going to the middle east and putin is xi jinping's junior partner. about this and other things in today's program. a step closer to a major war, will the conflict between hamas and israel turn into a global confrontation. a wave of pro-palestinian speeches in europe, whose side is the world on? sworn friends. putin is at the service of everyone, how the upcoming meeting of biden with the chinese leader will affect this tandem. we will talk about it over the next hour with politician and diplomat valery chaly. two more will be in touch with us journalists, tetyana vysotska from france, as well as iryna sampan from israel. before starting our conversation, i suggest you watch a video about the consequences of being hit. c300 to the terminal

of the new post office in the village of korotych in the kharkiv region. the occupiers killed six people and wounded 16. let's see. immediately there was an explosion, everyone started running out, you also started running out, well, what, it’s clear, to the bunker, they helped each other, what was the condition of these wounded whom you helped, well, in some... satisfactory, there were wounds torn

by shrapnel, then it is from light to medium degree of severity, and is in a very serious condition, six people died, all of them civilians, there were no military facilities here, this is a completely civilian facility. russia once again shows that it is a terrorist.

a bright memory to the employees of the new post office who died in the kharkiv region. friends, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please like this video, subscribe to our pages, and also take part in our survey, today we ask you this: are you following the events in israel, yes no, or yours option, please write in the comments under this video. we have valery chaly, politician, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-2019. mr. valery, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. greetings, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. so, iran is threatening. to the united

states of america and israel, if they do not, quote, immediately stop the crime against humanity and genocide in gaza, and the situation in the region, according to iran, could get out of control. to answer to these threats from iran, the united states of america is increasing its military presence in the middle east, the pentagon ordered to bring part of the troops to a state of heightened combat readiness. as far as mr. valery is concerned, there is a possibility of hamas's war against israel turning into a major arab-israeli war. well, before i say how cheap it is, i will say that apparently the hamas terrorists had a different scenario, they somehow hoped that after they literally slaughtered the israelis, on their territory. that after that israel somehow

will avoid a land-by-land operation, well, it is practically impossible, because they know both history and doctrine very well. the military of israel, they can't act otherwise because they don't have operational defense depth, so the only way they have is to destroy the bases from where the missiles are launched, and so it seems impossible to me to avoid that, now with regard to will the israeli ground operation lead to war now with the arabs as a whole, i will gently say that i hope... that will not lead, there are many factors of today, and even, the actions and attitude of china, the united states, and russia quietly, from all these actions, it is now clear that, in

principle, to such a confrontation that can develop into a global one, unlike the situation that has developed today, in principle these centers of power, first of all china, the usa, they are not interested in this. russia is interested, of course, but it is said, who will give it to her. therefore, i do not imagine that china, the united states, having such influence in the world , can allow this kind of escalation, the united states with for its part, it will encourage israel to take quick, quick actions, well, unofficially, but officially they will. to insist that israel does not occupy the gas sector, but withdraws its troops after the operation is over, china will also try, in my opinion, to restrain its proxies, countries, they are already moving to the status that they do not screw up the situation,

so we will be in the next days and weeks many loud statements are heard, but the probability of this turning into an arab... israeli war, it is today, well, let's put it this way, much smaller than the probability that everything will end in the opposition of the terrorist group and such attempts to show israel's weakness, that is, but who knows if it will drag on longer than a month or two, and now i have heard statements from the israeli military that they expect to resolve the issue in two or three months. well, if it takes longer, if it spills over into a long period, then the risks of it turning into a regional conflict increase. mr. valery, you mentioned china, that it is not interested in a full-scale war in the middle east

war, with the participation of other states, zsan writes that the chinese sent six warships to the middle east, because, as they say, because of the risk of increasing the conflict between palestine and israel, considering what he did and how he did china, we know that now the ships of the united states of america and the two groups of aircraft carriers are in the mediterranean sea, off the coast of israel, there are ships of the united kingdom that have also gone there, china shows in this way that they are also big players and they also have their own interests in the near east, or as you can interpret it the behavior depicted by the zsa newspaper, i have said for a long time that when we read newspapers , we must understand what period they are talking about, newspapers are chasing something so

fried, yes, and nothing, that china has been present in the region since may , they sent six ships, a frigate and two escort ships to the region and patrolled there since may, then went to oman, for training, then went to kuwait, already demonstrating their presence, china's interests are this, the east coast of africa and the south coast , there they are too, it's no secret, are conducting exercises with the south african republic, with russia, that is, in principle, china's goals are somewhat different, i will tell you that if someone is now promoting the topic that the two fleets will collide, the american and the chinese, then i will tell you that what is

the americans have two aircraft carrier groups, two aircraft carriers, and what the chinese have is so meager compared to... the capabilities of the united states that there is no need to say that the chinese will come close to the american fleet, and the fact that they will demonstrate their own in this way the presence that they have an interest. in the middle east, and they, in fact, the chinese achieved a lot in the dialogue between iran and saudi arabia, being mediators, now in this regard it is a plus for them, because they just wanted to separate saudi arabia from israel and will not allow the conclusion of, well, such an agreement , where saudi arabia is one of the most influential countries in the arab region, would recognize israel's right to statehood, which other countries in the region have already done, that is, much has already been done to establish in the near future

there, if not years to a decade, the concept of two states in the middle east. as a result, it was broken and china can in principle be satisfied, but further , the situation worsened, china does not have such resources in the middle east to compete with the united states, so they will show their presence to african countries first of all, and in principles, purpose, for example, of the same countries of the region in the indo-pacific region, they say that they are fighting pirates, this group of ships, it was sent to the gulf of aden to fight pirates, one salvo, one us destroyer destroys this issue, so they won't even come close to the us ships, and the chinese understand this very well, why should they do this when they are preparing... meeting xijin pinya , the leader of china and us president joseph biden in november

, the minister of foreign affairs is leaving next week, well, now he has already disappeared somewhere, no one can find him, and that's it, he 's gone. wang yi is now back again, he is now the minister of legal affairs, although he has already switched to position, foreign policy in the central committee, higher than the minister, but now again he closes this position temporarily. that's why he will come to the usa to prepare for the visit of his leader, and in these conditions of confrontation between the usa and china, but no, everyone is simply gaining their own arguments for the negotiations, if only additional arguments, that's all. the secretary of state of the united states of america, anthony blinken, admitted that the situation in the middle east could worsen due to iran's actions. let's hear blinkin. we are concerned. in fact, we expect that there is a possibility of escalation, escalation by iranian proxies,

directed against our forces, directed against our personnel. we are taking steps to ensure that we can effectively protect our people and respond decisively if we need to. it's not what we want, it's not what we're looking for, we don't want an escalation. mr. valerius, blinkin said. about iranian proxies, there are still russian proxies in the middle east, and obviously groups that are controlled in one way or another by the kremlin, in your opinion, how likely are russian proxies to play a role and escalate the situation due to, well, for example, the same shelling from iraq by russian missiles from an american air base, what actually happened was that the missiles in al-sadi hit

the katyusha missiles produced by the russian federation, and here, too , the question is what, what role russia now plays in in this conflict and in this situation in the middle east? all the levers of influence of russia are related to its presence in syria, and in the us there are several thousand people in syria, and so...' that's why the secretary of state is worried, because there could be provocations against them, the same situation, they have fears that lebanon may be involved, and hezbollah will begin to act more actively , well, obviously, all these risks exist, and the secretary of state is primarily concerned with the escalation associated with attacks on the americans, who still have a certain amount left in the region.

there are possibilities, but i will remind you of the case of 2018, if i am not mistaken, when the russian mercenaries, well, we already know them, the wagnerites, let's say, they are already clearly affiliated with the ministry of defense of russia, or with the military intelligence of russia, they went, there in to that region, a group of about 200, infantry and a number of... units of equipment tried to occupy the facility, which was under the protection of a small, very small group of american troops, there was a request from the american troops to their, well , to the pentagon, to move from the pentagon to moscow and they asked, are these yours, in general, the troops are walking here in some way , to which we replied, no , how come, we have agreements, they don't go there, as a result, an airstrike was carried out and all this was burned, destroyed, and this is how

the united states will act now, what the secretary of state is saying is clear, but i am a diplomat, but i i understand, diplomacy with two relations is much better than just diplomacy , eh, and well, in this context, i ca n't help but ask you about what role vladimir putin is trying to take on now, because he acts as a person who is trying to or another way, to influence the situation in the middle east and return to international politics. international politics, because he constantly articulates what he can do and what russia can do, and he constantly talks about what, including at a meeting with representatives of iraq and iran in moscow, about what opportunities, levers of influence he has, er, can this situation

in some way, at least by a few millimeters , increase the opportunities of vladimir putin, who is, in principle, recognized as a human terrorist by an international terrorist and a person who steals other people's children and has a warrant from the international criminal court. well, this does not prevent him from continuing the policy of genocide, in fact, in syria, and no one in syria considers him a war criminal, he is sitting there as well. like him, that's why many countries basically have, well there is no rule of arrest there for the international criminal court, therefore, in principle, of course, he perceives this region as traditionally since soviet times with possibilities of influence, in order to influence, russia first sows chaos,

tries to create conflict, well, how did they meet with hamas terrorists , they had... kissing on the gums, that is, i don't know why israel reacted so calmly after that, but also why the prime minister of israel still expects that vladimir putin, who actually showed that he is not what is here well, at least it didn’t influence, it couldn’t influence the situation immediately in any way, the influence is falling, the influence is falling, but the presence of military russian mercenaries, plus the traditional attitude towards russia as a country that balances... well, it’s not russia, the soviet union, balances if the influence of the united states, and this is what russia has appropriated to itself, that it is the way the soviet union acts, but the problem is that they do not have such opportunities as they had in the soviet union, although some still remained, ukraine deliberately, after receiving independence, we did not play a role global player, that is, we have withdrawn and

deal with our own issues, while russia is trying to use the former soviet heritage. to get the maximum dividends for themselves, and the middle east is a place where it can be done, so it looks like this, but china also understands the limits and limitations of russia and putin in this region, well , the usa also knows this, of course, but with well, with terrorists, yes, a terrorist would talk better with a terrorist than the leader of a democratic country, and that is why putin offers his services to talk with hamas, that is... he is not absolutely not he dares to talk to terrorists, he is already psychologically ready for this for a long time, he himself has already earned such a status, so in principle, first chaos, then this offer, well, i would not accept this russian offer, because then it will cost everyone dearly, and first of all, first of all israel, i think

, therefore, i think it would be a mistake on the part of israel to think that russia... can do something so balanced, no, they will try catch your fish in dirty water, but i will remind you, once again, the key issue, the key issue for russia here in ukraine, the war against ukraine , everything that russia is doing now in the world is all that either to increase its capabilities or to shift the focus of attention of its crimes in ukraine, well, but the united states of america made it clear, joseph biden said that. hamas is like putin, and putin is like hamas, and he compared the actual actions of hamas in israel and putin in ukraine, and this means that , uh, to the situation in ukraine, to the situation in israel, and to the situation in taiwan, as he said

biden, they will be treated as a war for democracy, for the defense of democracy, uh, that is, putin's plan, if russia is involved in this, and obviously russia, iran may be involved in the war of hamas against israel, it is just falling apart so far, and what, what can... prevent the united states of america from implementing this policy regarding the three three states for which these states are important for washington from the point of view of the future of civilization, the future of democracy in the world of three states, i wanted to clarify, who do you mean , which three states, israel, ukraine, and taiwan, well, actually, what we heard from the us president. it was a very decisive speech, i read it in such a way that you are forming a whole army of such bandits , if they want, well, bandits are not bandits, but

it was clearly said, including by china, that we want to introduce a new world order, not the world order that was established after the second world war, and then the cold war, and the new world order, where the nature of the states will not play a role, conditionally speaking, and this is true, the taliban were invited to beijing, i.e. they were something, not so long ago, until they seized power, they were terrorists, they destroyed historical assets in the same territory of afghanistan, they have women at the level of slavery now, but in beijing they believe that everyone decides their own lifestyle, the main thing , that you, if the authorities in a specific country, this is the approach to beijing that they want, this is their one belt, one road, i call it, let the chinese people not be offended, but it looks like one yoke, one, one, one way , because, well, you know, well, such

countries invite russia, shake hands svidenpin says that there is a saying in china that when you give a rose, the smell of the rose remains on your hands, even when you gave it, and that there is some smell left after shaking hands with putin, i don’t understand, beijing these lines, they lose their image very seriously, by the way, i turned your attention a little to china, but eh, now today there is a new data report, that is, a report on the chinese stock market, the stock market is where shares are traded, it fell below 19 years even before covid, in the dollar equivalent minus 15%, well, now there was 15% for today, but this is a disaster, because it means that from the... real estate market, well, it could be a disaster for china, people are leaving the real estate market, they see geopolitical risks, and china is very vulnerable with

from an economic point of view, despite their huge size, when we speak, and when russia and china speak, they mention their size, how many people, what countries by territory, and if you look at their capacity, how many they have per person, and what is the level of development, then these are still not the countries that can... brag about something in front of the usa or even any country of the european union, well, from those who are central, western europe, what are we talking about, that is, china, and well, russia, i am not saying anything anymore, because senator mccain called it that upper volta with nuclear weapons, yes, russia has nuclear weapons, china has less of that, china sees its development in a different way, but it also gets very... big economic problems, so i think that the formation of two blocs, i also see it, there will be no multipolar world, it is already

clear that six countries will join from january 1 to the brics countries, brics, well, this is what basically unites south africa, india, china, russia, brazil, plus six countries, there are such strange countries as, well, ethiopia, in principle, a big country, iran , by the way, the same one. that is why they are gradually forming such an economic relationship, but at the present time , the economy does not work without security, without the cover of security, so china openly went to the formation of a block, a large block, where china will be the leader and will be followed by supporters of its line, russia has already signed up to this, that's all, they have already signed a partnership there without limits or boundaries. russia putin has already surrendered his country to this scheme, that is, i don't know what the russians will do there, but he surrendered in exchange for the fact that china will now

turn a blind eye to his crime. in europe, on ukrainian territory, it will continue to expand, and probably in the next 10-15 years we will witness the formation of two such blocs and a third group of countries that will maneuver between them, that is, this is a very familiar pattern of the cold war, the soviet union, the usa, and the countries of the third world, but on the spot the soviet union will now become china, that's the whole logic, probably this is how people would be used to living, because no one can propose a more complex scheme, and therefore ukraine must understand that now this is only the first stage of the formation of this new world order, and we we have, our task is to remove the war from our country, that's all, that is, we will not be able to avoid wars in the world, they will be, and you mention taiwan, in your speech, well, joseph biden is so cursory about taiwan, yes, he said

the introduction of funds there. but that's where mine will be the outlook for the next 5-10 years is hot, not just a hot spot, but precisely the possibility of turning into a regional conflict, what we are currently seeing in the middle east, even what we are seeing in the russian war against ukraine, it can still be stopped, i.e. it's just a very big effort for us in terms of resources, in terms of the country's development, in the end we lose our people, but this is the beginning, god grant us, so that next year we throw this war out of our territory, simply, but this conflict will unfold, i have no doubt about it, everyone is now measuring up so far, with muscles, on different planes, including at sea, including in regions, international organizations, this is a kind of reconnaissance, preparation for a big clash, which will then distribute the places of everyone in

the world, and believe me. russia will not be close to me, china, yes, it is a serious power, and i honestly fear their combination of their economic, and then military, power with their regime of governance in their country. thank you, mr. valery, in just a few minutes we will return to the conversation, now we will have tetyana vysotska, our correspondent in europe and european institutions. tatyana, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. greetings sergiya, i am also very happy to see, greetings from the already empty backstage of the palace of europe in strasbourg and i am actually ready for questions, very interesting, thank you tania, on sunday in paris 15,000 people came to a rally in support of the palestinian people. according to journalists, the police blocked the streets around the square, where people tried to condemn, well, mass murders in quotation marks. their

murders, of course, as if they were committed by israel gas sector, please tell us how france treats the war in the middle east, and is it somehow different from the attitude towards the war in ukraine? in fact, in france, as we know , a large muslim community traditionally lives, and therefore it affects both french politics and attitudes. the french to what is happening now in the middle east, and we can say that even now, both in all of europe and in france, the focus of attention is already shifting from ukraine to the middle east, because europe is experiencing a certain fear and concerns about the spread of islamic terrorism to the european continent, and so, for example, in paris , 15,000 people took to the streets, and according to the organizers, there were 30,000 people, and fortunately there were no clashes,

but there were mass arrests, dozens of people were arrested for anti-semitism rhetoric, that is, the situation in society is being heated from within, and actually for a frenchman, for a simple frenchman, for a french politician , what is happening in ukraine, some distant, scary putin, who is well restrained by the ukrainian army, is less scary than that the very muslim with a knife who might be waiting for him somewhere on the street around the corner, and for example, what to say about paris, if here in strasbourg, which... is one of the capitals of the european union, they also tried to hold a demonstration, there was an official request about the palestinian forces, but the local authorities refused it, fearing for security issues, but nevertheless, several hundred people took to the streets, and here in strasbourg there was already a bit of a massacre, the french police even used tear gas, there were arrests, that is, the situation in french society