[000:00:00;00] fortunately, there were no clashes, but there were mass arrests, dozens of people were arrested for anti-semitic rhetoric, that is, the situation in society is heated from within, and actually for a frenchman, for an ordinary frenchman, for a french politician, what is happening in ukraine is somehow distant scary putin, who is well contained by the ukrainian army, is less scary than the same muslim with a knife who can be waiting for him somewhere on the street around the corner, and for example, what can we say about paris, if here in strasbourg, which is one of the capitals of the european union also tried to hold a demonstration, there was an official request from the palestinian forces , but the local authorities refused it, fearing for security issues, but nevertheless, several hundred people took to the streets and here in strasbourg there was already such a bit of carnage, the french police even used tear gas, there were arrests, that is, the situation in french

society. so a little shaky and the french will be afraid of the danger of islamic terrorism, or for example, a very recent example, yesterday, right in the center of strasbourg, a young man was detained near the central synagogue who came there with a knife and started sharpening it against the iron fence that has now been built around the synagogue, again for security reasons, this man was detained and it turned out that he is not even a palestinian, not an arab, he is a frenchman of chechen origin. that is, it can be said that there is such a danger in society, an aggravation of some radical manifestations, and this is very clearly visible in france. the protesters who were in paris, they reproached macron that you do not support macron the united states of america, in general, did not go to the middle east. we know that macron is to visit israel this week and

support israel in the confrontation with hamas and those who support this movement in the middle east, tell me how the french think, do they think that this is a war of some kind, well closer to them , rather than the war in ukraine, that is, how they perceive this war, what, what is this war for them, is this war for them, these people who live next to them, who support the palestinians, and who are part of french society, who at any moment they can behave, well, let's say, yes, not exactly as the french think, but yes, there is already information that macron will go to israel tomorrow, so we will wait for some new statements from him, and indeed, we can say that for the french, that is, for the french, it is probably the biggest, of the entire european union, for the french , the escalation in the middle east means the possibility of an escalation here in france, because

next to the french live representatives of many other nationalities, many muslims , a large muslim community like me i already said, and that is why for a frenchman, that is, a terrorist with a bed is scarier than putin somewhere in ukraine with deadly missiles, and how has the attitude changed now to what is happening in ukraine and to the aggressive policy of the kremlin in general, and not only to ukraine , and as for the whole world, do they perceive it? the same criminal as we are, and, it is undeniable, undeniable, that putin is a criminal, that ukraine must be helped and that ukraine must win, this has not changed, despite all the threats from the middle east, after all, europe, the europeans, and the french, and brussels, and thank god, the european officials, are supporting us, they are going to help us, of course, it will be a little more difficult, because

some funds and some weapons may be redirected to the area of ​​the middle east conflict, but nevertheless, support for ukraine remains, that is indisputable. thank you tetyana, this was tetyana vysotska, our correspondent in strasbourg and in the european institutions, thank you for watching us and thank you for supporting us on our youtube platforms and on facebook, friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are watching us on youtube right now, you can take part in our poll, because we are asking you whether you follow the events in israel, yes no, or your thoughts, please write in your comments, we have we are reestablishing contact with valery chaly, a politician, diplomat and former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america. mr. valeriu, er, er, one of the leaders of the republicans

in the senate, of the united states. america's mitch mcconnell said that china, russia and iran are the new axis of evil in the world, what else did mcconnell say, let's listen. i think the biden administration sent the wrong signal when us troops pulled out of afghanistan, it was like giving putin the green light to invade ukraine, and we see iran, a major sponsor of terrorism, sending drones to russia and supporting hamas , so it's all connected, you can't single out one part and say we we will deal only with this, we have to react. to conditions that exist and pose a threat to the united states. the iranians are also a threat to us. we are dealing with this axis of evil. china, russia, iran, because it is

an immediate threat to the united states. mr. valeriu, do these words mean that the united states of america is ready to build up its military potential, given the threats from iran, china and russia, or simply put, are we facing another arms race, as it once was, but given already on those the threats and the challenges facing the united states of america, well, it's already going, that is, it's going now, if we talk about the obvious things, here's what wasn't, in sufficient numbers to conduct the warriors of the 21st century, everyone thought that it would be ... the wars of the fifth generation, here it turns out to be the fourth and it is necessary to produce anti-aircraft missiles, tanks and everything else, but the main competition will not take place here, the main competition will take place in

space, where there is space intelligence data, where there are opportunities, such blows, which could not be imagined before, and there are possibilities also to counter the adversaries, well, for example, to put the entire... gps communication of the country there and that will make simple military actions impossible, therefore, in principle, this race is going, and cyberspace is going there, if we talk about, for example, the third world, when many who says that the third world war has already begun, well, frankly speaking, i'm not really on this side, that it started there, that i , for example, believe that even such we, thank god, do not see full-scale regional warriors. er, our problem is that the russian war is against ukraine, that is , ukraine's one-man self-defense, unfortunately, that's why in principle, it is bad for us in itself, but there is no such deployment of war on the whole of europe

, we restrain russia, therefore, in principle, i will not say that the third world war has begun, but what is happening in cyberspace is already close to the third world war , because the number of those participating in this war has already ... surpassed a dozen countries with great capabilities, there are constant attacks, counterattacks, there are constant attempts to increase their capabilities and, let's say, to make these weapons very deadly, well, but it will still take time because countermeasures are also being taken, in relation to the nuclear arms race, there will be threats, i just want to remind you that even threats to use weapons en masse of them are also war, that is, it is written, and therefore, if russia continues to threaten, it will obviously also be perceived as provocations to the outbreak of a world war, but

in my opinion russia has no possibility of further actions , in relation to china, everything is much , much more complicated here, i will say my impression, for some reason it was believed that everything was limited only to the number of... troops, equipment. in fact, how the war between russia and ukraine revealed that timing is very important, i.e. the timing of conflicts, if it is a conflict even of great intensity, but short, then it is one story, and if it is a conflict lasting for years, as in our case, even in such a hot state , as it is now, it uses all the resources of the state, there is already this gradation of countries , i will tell you, it may not be a popular thing, everyone made fun of it, that russia is the second army of the world, in fact, the rating made by a respectable institution it takes into account the territory

of the country, the population of the country, many factors are not purely military, so from this point of view, maybe it would be fair, but this rating does not take into account such things as the consolidation of the nation, motivation in defense against invaders, it does not take into account such things as the education of the main fighters, well that is , see who fights in our country, our mobilized people fight only... have a higher education much more than what was mobilized in russia, in russia, with prisons, i.e. people who were sent to prison, people who fight in our country are in their civilian life, had experience, and therefore, in principle, these things are not are taken into account, but unfortunately, the war kills both of them equally, therefore, i believe that if you add all these factors, then in the first place,

now in the world, the usa, obviously, ukraine, i will not say more, i think that maybe china is in second place in the world, already if you add certain factors, and ukraine obviously has to move up a few positions, because it will field a million motivated fighters who know how to fight and, well, have some of their own, let's say, life experience , well, few people in the world can do that, so i'm sure, behind them criteria, ukraine is now among the ten leading armies in the world, even without having all the numbers and all the weapons that they have. well, why i have been saying this for so long is because china and the us are the main adversaries. i think that their strength depends on what kind of alliances they form, participation in...ukraine in the union with the usa

will greatly strengthen us and obviously weaken china and vice versa, but ukraine cannot sit on the fence, we will have to choose, we will choose our own have done, it's nato, the european union, the united states, so we need it now to see what risks the new situation creates for us, and the fact that mitch mcconnell, the leader of the majority in the senate, uses such strong language, very strong language, joining china to the axis of evil, i honestly heard everything in america, the opponents, in the doctrine , they all have enemies, but be that as it may, the news of evil, i have not heard such a thing before, i heard it for the first time, so i, i will tell you honestly, i believe that china can still take another role, i would not say so now harshly, realizing that china will never be our strategic partner, as we wrote under yanukovych in some documents, it's all a delusion, china cannot be our strategic partner, because its domestic authoritarian regime is not at all

the same as the democratic one in the country, we do not have the same basic things, whatever interests are pragmatic were, and we realized that now during the war, so, but we have to look at how it is evaluated in the united states, to me, this situation is much more serious, these evaluations of mitch mcconcon, mitch mcconconon are much more serious than the fact that there are six ships, china has gone somewhere, and i would very much like them at the meeting in san francisco in november , so that, firstly, this meeting would take place, and secondly, that they would still remove the issue, so that china would not give any reason to it was evaluated that way, even in the united states, well , maybe such an evaluation was related to the recent, recent report of the department of defense of the united states of america on china, on nuclear weapons, in this. reports, it was said

that in 2030, china may have twice as many nuclear warheads, i.e. now 500 units, and there will be 1000, china is already making excuses and says that the pentagon report about more than 1000 nuclear warheads is biased, they insist that china did not and does not intend to participate in the nuclear arms race, can this be accepted as - the fact that washington forces beijing, in principle, to move away from this axis of evil, because this axis of evil is, well, china is not in ukraine , we do not add it there, but we say that it is belarus, russia, syria, north korea, and who there is also iraq, probably, and beijing, we are not going there either, no no artichoke

that this is an axis of evil, maybe washington is thus trying to break this axis, which is already working in one way or another, cooperating with each other, well, yes, it looks like that, because michma, a very experienced person, he will not say in principle, he never he won't say a word, if there is no goal, to correct the situation after all, so i emphasize once again that china is the acquirer of benefits, the beneficiary. this is what putin is doing now, yes, but up to a certain limit, up to the limit as long as it does not harm china's national interests in the economic sphere, and it is obvious that achieving results on all directions at the same time here it will not be possible, given that the turnover of goods in the united states is huge, never, well, exports there are only more than 700 billion, that is, you will never replace russian, well, 200 billion of goods from russia, okay, but there are no technologies in russia

, that is why i don't think it's possible that it 's a game, you know, of a good cop and a bad cop. and the impression is that the world cannot live without policemen, and now there will be a competition, how is this all, well , conditionally there, roughly speaking, the gendarme of the world, or someone should be a third-party judge, someone should be strong, which will resolve the disputes of countries like russia, there from ukraine, well, not from ukraine, russia has actually gone against the european countries, someone has to slap the hands, and china by the united states ideally, if they came to a joint decision, but they will not be able to come to a joint solution, because their regimes are different, they can only come to a solution, conclude such a pact as if it existed, and in this regard, the usa will

insist that china does not stand behind its own vassals, iran or russia, everything - still played a greater stabilizing role in the world, and then... if that succeeds, the negotiations will succeed, which there is a chance, albeit a slim one, then micho mcconnell will say after november that now china is out of the axis of evil, i'm not very hopeful, that the scenario will be exactly like this, maybe it will be like that, we have another inclusion, mr. valery, will be from israel , our colleague iryna sampan is there, she is not far from tel aviv, and we already know, ms. irina, i congratulate you . congratulations to you, and we know that israel has already named the conditions under which can cancel the offensive on the gaza strip, this, the handover of all the prisoners who are in captivity and the handover of all hamas militants, to the israeli army, how has the society in israel reacted to this and

in your opinion, will hamas accept these terms, well, what i have heard from military experts, from politicians, and what is heard on television, of course, everyone says the only thing is that hamas is trying to somehow delay the israeli ground operation in the territory of the gaza strip, and the hostages, this is such a good manipulative excuse for this , this attack is a little delay, or even cancel altogether, whether he will agree to israel's conditions, it seems to me that this is doubtful, because what does the surrender of all fighters mean. in israel, it seems to me that this will not happen, they also need hostages in order to manipulate the political circles there, to manipulate world politicians, in order to reach some kind of consensus and preserve themselves as much as possible, now everyone is talking about the event, about the news

that became the loudest is about the release of 50 hostages who are currently in gas, about it in the new york times with reference to its sources, but still they are talking about it like this, and that 50 hostages who have dual citizenship will be released, because this also caused an ambiguous reaction in israel, because allegedly this, allegedly those who have some other citizenship besides israeli , they have some privileges, and that's why experts say: also that this allegedly discriminates a little, not a little, but discriminates against those who have only an israeli passport, and it's good that the countries whose passports these people have , they engaged their people, they try them

to return, but in israel they reacted a little negatively to this, that a certain selection is taking place, and in this way hamas wants to send such a message that these citizens, israeli citizens, they are some kind of second-rate, and that only foreigners will be released, and what, what the residents of israel say, in private conversations, they say that they support a foreign operation, or how they react to the fact that hamas must be destroyed there, because people do not want to live under the constant threat of shelling, and not only hamas, but and from the north hezbollah is shelling israel, so how do ordinary israelis talk about what is happening in their country right now? everyone is talking about the fact that, of course, a ground operation is needed.

and in order to destroy hamas, it is necessary for the army to finish what it started, this is an unequivocal opinion and there can be no concessions, but now you know, there is already a certain relaxation in society and already in the political community, because all these two weeks i have not heard sharp criticism of the government, i have not heard sharp criticism of the military leadership, now it is like this the criticism is already starting, that's why journalists and the opposition are there, they are already demanding netanyahu's resignation and responsibility for the fact, for the seventh of october, for the fact that they missed this moment of the hamas attack, that is, it can be compared, i think, to the listeners we know this moment, when society relaxes a little, then there is no such acute tension, and you can already deal with some other questions, you can ask... these questions, if, when there is a war, when the country is in such an active state of war, then of course these no one asked anyone what

i have been a witness all these two weeks, now i already feel that criticism of the authorities and criticism of the israel defense forces, or rather its leadership, is starting, but everyone is saying that this operation is necessary, because without destroying hamas, there will still be one thing... the same, after a certain period hamas will gather forces there again and it will be the same. thank you, iryna, for the inclusion, this was iryna sampan, our colleague who is in israel, now near tel aviv and is following the events unfolding in the middle east. let's return to valery chalyo, politician, diplomat and former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america. mr. valery, i wanted to ask you about one more thing, about the future of the world, what it will look like, but in the context, the report, or

the report of the bipartisan commission of the congress, which considered the issue of future development, and in russia, and in china, and in united states of america, reuters, citing an anonymous source, you don't like the press, i know that when something is leaked, it is always problematic to comment, but... we are talking about a global war or participation, a possible conflict, a military conflict , as they say, of the united states of america with russia and with china in 2027, in the period from 27 to 35, and the authors of the report believe that the chinese and russian threats will intensify in 27-35 years, and because of this, i quote, the decision must be made now so that the nation is ready, because of the development that is in china, first of all, because it is clear that russia is now acting, putin is acting as junior

partners of xi jinping, but still yes, by leadership in the world and by the way this leadership is it is happening at the expense of what and at the expense of which countries, you have already said how it will all develop, do you believe that the war of the united states of america with china and russia is simple. not inevitable, let me say that i love zmi, i love journalists, if a diplomat or a politician does not like journalists , it will end badly for them, i am talking about something else, i want to see official statements, and not what is in zmi just like you correctly said, draining to achieve their goals, because when the officials are responsible for it, and this is just probing thoughts, and now these reports, they are so... done in order to point out the factors that will play a key role in the coming

years. i constantly familiarize myself with the forecasts, let's say, the americans do a very powerful job like this, the intelligence is all american, plus they have now involved six more countries, analytical centers, they make a forecast there until the 25th year, until the 30th, that is, if you read these forecasts, they are interesting from the point of view of factors of influence, what will happen, where to grow, what military forces will appear, where are the hot spots, but they very inaccurate in timing, that is, in the time of the attack, when this or that moment comes , and well, they are sometimes very wrong in terms of the main threats, but they are useful in order to assess the situation, when we are told now that 27- and year, then it’s all very simple, china and the leader of china set a task for his revolutionary forces of the army there

by 2027 to be ready for, well, in essence, a regional war is meant, the opportunity to demonstrate sufficient power of the army at sea, in the air, on land to control over taiwan, well, it is perceived that way, first of all, it does not mean that there will be a war, but it means that such a goal is set, if china does not ensure it by other means, then it will be ready for war, and this is threatening, because when in in our world, everyone sets his own tasks. he has planned for himself and he decides, and his goals are only limited to the balance on the other side, that is, everyone has already forgotten about the world that was written after the second world war, the world because of the un charter, the world because of the rules, no one wants it, the truth is, when the difference begins on

war, everyone is shouting, where are the rules of war approved by international law, that is, there is a lot of such anarchy, why i say that everything has gone differently in the sense that the right of force is beginning to prevail over the right of force and therefore the risks are increasing and for the next decade at least will be a decade of escalation of the arms race and increase in power factors. security is at the forefront, so i don't rule anything out, but you said there for the escalation between the us and russia, well, i don't think so, ukraine, unfortunately, we have become the ones who will have to become, in fact... to bury russian ambitions, to become an authoritarian, dictatorial and thuggish country in the world, we will have to fulfill this historic mission in various ways, not only military, but the clash of china, the united states, or a high level of conflict is what

that is not just expected, but also for this, for which everyone is preparing, the problem is only that what is being prepared for... this is the maximum that will happen, therefore, that is why the hundred-year-old kissinger is now again in favor and he is again being asked, what what should we all do, and how to find a solution so that we don't to exacerbate, all these situations, there is no such solution, at first everyone tries their strength, and then when they have measured their strength, they look for a solution, this is approximately how it will be, and for us, i say once again , there is nothing measured by strength in ukraine, we have our own regional tasks, we have to to become members of nato in order to avoid being alone in such an unstable, aggravated, threat-related world. thank you, mr. valery, for a wonderful conversation, it was valery chaly, politician, diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america. friends, we are live channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently

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program, goodbye. why is israel intensifying airstrikes on the gas sector and carrying out raids inside this territory ? more than 430 dead in 24 hours, such are the data of the doctors of the gas sector, which he manages. hamas, while israel continues its airstrikes and prepares for a ground operation. so, after the attack by hamas on october 7 , israel is conducting hostilities. now he intensified the strikes on the gas sector. according to the israel defense forces, they hit 320 in one day.