[000:00:00;00] influenced the processes, also advising, giving advice to bakanov, well, naumov was in office, accordingly, naumov was in office, but well, without him too, without him no personnel decision was made, so there is nothing surprising in the fact that they are called, in principle, as witnesses, they should have been there a long time ago, we , we will get to it now, but maybe you are such a source of valuable information in this case, and biliaevchenko, can you briefly explain what kind of people these are? well, these are friends, friends of ivan bokanov in business over there, bye bye bye bye, well on business issues that he had long before he entered the service, i.e. belyaev, he was with him, in my opinion, on some of these, on power plants, hydroelectric plants, they had business issues, and accordingly on, in the

same place, belyaev tried to suppress . part of the power plant from his partner, since he was a minority partner in the majority partner there, to suppress the power plant with the arrival of bakanov , criminal cases were opened against the person, well, this information is enough in principle, that is, they are friends of bakanov, who when he went to the sbbu, they began to manage the service together with him, absolutely true, huh, but where are these people now you don't know? no, unfortunately for me, well, i, i don’t know where they are now, only naumov, i know that he is in serbia, we also know that, our journalists have been investigating it for a long time, well, yaroslav, look, it is known that now both sides will ask the court to summon ivan bekanov for questioning, and because he has not yet given any testimony, at least at the stage of the investigation, and you have an explanation as to how this could happen, that at the stage

he did not give any evidence during the investigation, which is very strange, because such a... you know , not an average citizen, this is the first question that arises, why was bakanov not interrogated, well , it would seem, who else can be interrogated there, if not the immediate supervisor of kulinich, well you understand that he, i think that there are a lot of questions for him, not only about the kulinich case, but no one asks him anything at all, you understand, that is, since he is the closest entourage of president zelensky, there is nothing strange in this case, you think it's exceptional through, friendship or former friendship with the president does not cause 100%, 100%. 100% that means, if it is because of friendship, then in principle we cannot hope for a fair trial or a fair investigation in this case. well, let's see, i will hope, in the end, like most ukrainian citizens, that the court will turn out to be more independent than the investigative bodies, in principle, well, since, since

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happened in the world during the past week, we draw some conclusions, and we try to look into the week ahead of us in order to know what can await us in the next seven days, today is no exception, i will have va... guest, i will introduce him a little later , first i have to do what i do at the beginning of every program, first of all, thank you very much to all of you who are watching the world at war program on the air of the tv channel, to those who are watching on the air where the current government has not yet turned us off, well and to those who watch on youtube, to those last who in youtubers are watching, i have a huge request, please like and comment, it is extremely important for us to promote our program, for youtube to give the opportunity to see, watch us as many people as possible, and it is also important me, i read your comments and i see what you think

about what we, what i will discuss with my guests, today there are many important topics, and today my guest pavlo klimkin, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2014-2019, mr. pavel, congratulations. you, glory to ukraine, heroes congratulations, congratulations, mr. yuri, i am glad to be with you, i am also very pleased, i am glad that you are joining the program today, because there are a lot of important issues that need to be discussed, let's start with the situation on in the middle east, in the end , it seems to me personally that this is no longer a situation in the middle east, but rather a situation that is - well, not yet global, but nevertheless it is growing little by little. let's not talk about the third world war there, there is something else there, but how dangerous, dangerous is that what is happening now, between israel and the gas sector, how dangerous it is both for

the region and for the world, well, of course, it is dangerous, and what is being done now by both western and non-western countries is primarily focused on the possibility of escalation, the involvement of others, and generally palestinians, and muslim countries, and various groups, and simply getting out of this situation out of control. so the number one priority, for almost everyone, is to keep this situation under control, there is a lot of effort, a lot of pressure, including on israel, and statements that it was said, just recently, that israel may consider the possibility of refraining from a ground operation, or limiting

its scope, if of course all the hostages will be returned, er, intact, well, it is difficult to use this word, but nevertheless, well, but also if hamas, in fact, declares surrender, in what form , that's another question, and of course, there are a lot of conversations, mostly not public and confidential, in which almost everyone participates, but the potential for an explosion, it remains, it serious, as those who know tell me in this region and most importantly, are in this region. the middle east has always been a powder keg, if you will, that could explode at any moment, there were many examples... but now it will have a global

impact, and of course there are a number of risks for us here, and this is not only a reorientation of political and media attention, it does not harm us so far, but nevertheless, all those who make decisions, they are now very, very focused on the middle east, and on understanding, and how, how exactly this. .. the situation, as i said, keeping it under control is the number one challenge today, and that challenge largely combines the west and the non-west. actually, to follow up on what you said, i read this morning that the head of european diplomacy, josep borel, said that the conflict in the middle east is now somewhat distracting the attention of world leaders from ukraine, and he said that we don't need to, well we need to do all in order not to allow this to become this is not to divert attention from ukraine, but let's still go to

the near east, but look, hamas on in the south, hezbollah in the north, on the border with lebanon, and hezbollah is somehow very, very radical, it seems to me, that hezbollah is supported not by iran, although by iran, but by saudi arabia and qatar, but look, and whether or not in your opinion, on a specialist , according to a professional diplomat. mother, is it really possible that hamas will surrender, will surrender all the people that it's getting now in polonia, and hezbollah, while in the north, is also very militant, it also supports this position of hamas and will say, okay, fine, we surrender , we, we stop shooting, everything, there will be no war, it depends on what it is to surrender, as i specifically used the word surrender, but complete...

there will be no hamas, some of the members of hamas and its supporters will not surrender under any conditions, and we are fine with that we understand, secondly, hamas and hezbollah are two different realities. hezbollah is almost completely, i won't say 100%, but it completely depends on iran, there is also a religious similarity, because... hezbollah is mainly shiites, just like in iran. hamas is a completely different story. yes, hamas has close friends ties with iran, but hamas is not controlled by iran, it largely depends on the arab countries, which have always helped, this is saudi arabia, as you said, hamas has an office in qatar, by the way, the muslim brotherhood and hamas itself

was once created by the egyptian branch of the muslim brotherhood, there is such a conspiracy theory that is quite widespread , including in israel, that hamas, not only did not initially cause any attempts at resistance from israel, but they even helped, because they wanted to create a certain counterweight before the liberation of palestine, who now control the west bank, the jordan river, so everything is not so, not so linear there. what position will the arab countries take, will it be a joint position, and it is not obvious now, will they be able to proceed from the position of the joint league of arab states?

it seems that they will find the lowest denominator, but this issue is very emotional, now it is not a question of such political common sense, it is a question of emotions, we all saw in the hospital and what this led to the cancellation of biden's conversation with a number of arab leaders, that is, what happens, it is determined and most importantly perceived not by some such rational considerations, but here, of course , emotions rule, and it will continue to be so, therefore... the possibility of this emotional escalation is so serious, but if a decision is made that hamas, let's say this, he will tighten his activity, he will not surrender completely, as i said, he will hand over all

the hostages, there are still questions about the future, because today for israel's ground operation there are, well, quite simply, of course, three fundamental challenges: first, it to carry it out effectively and with minimal losses, which is actually not obvious, the second is the hostages, and any execution of the hostage will lead to a new wave of emotions, well, but the main thing is, uh, this is a strategy, israel was already in the gas, got out and then there won by hamas, well now israel will lose some fantastic uh, effort, and then what, controlling the endless mud, it won't work, what to do with it next, who should be in charge there, should there be an oon mission, or a mission that will be a council of arab states on behalf of the un to control, here now

a dozen options, if not more, are being discussed, and as far as i'm concerned, it's a problem for israel. not to enter the gas, but the problem is what to do next, and how to get out, and how to protect ourselves from the fundamental escalation that we are talking about with you, well , really, mr. pavlo, look, one more thing and we close this is precisely the question of the middle east, i cannot help but ask, it is obvious to me that russia did not influence, does not influence this conflict, that it is happening without it, but in your opinion, please tell me, to what extent putin can use this conflict? he already is uses and you see it. for putin , of course, the price of oil is important, potentially, it can increase, even in the conditions that now

everyone is making efforts to regulate or reduce the oil markets. second, it diverts attention, as we said, both political and media, and they talk about it , we talk about it openly, they talk about it openly in the west, it creates a new and very difficult challenge in our dialogue with non-western countries that unlike the west, have their own balance, became israel and the palestinians, and often this balance is negative for israel. we also see that in the west, these speeches, demonstrations, they recruit tens and hundreds of thousands of people, and to a large extent young people, and not only some livat scene, they

support the palestinians, although they condemn, of course, those crimes against humanity that and teri... acts that were created by hamas, that is, you and i live in a very simple mentality , victory or defeat, that is, white, black, betrayal, victory, that is, we, we, us, if you like, this mentality is inherent, and she is especially now, so so enough, enough noticeable during the war, the world is very, very complicated with confusion and with different, with different colors, that is, in fact, what will happen in the middle east will have a fundamental impact on us, not necessarily negative, but nevertheless

, this is for us, as i said, a number of risks, and a number of challenges, for the coming months , no matter how the situation around gas ends, it will affect us, and wait, look, i was already thinking of ending with the near east, but you said that we can be influenced not necessarily negatively, if not necessarily negative, then possibly positive. of course, and i will try to explain now on my fingers, almost all of us have heard , or at least read the summary of biden's last speech, where he stated that democracies do not abandon their own, and we will protect every democracy, and we will fight against those who want democracies to destroy, in fact, the desire to protect means that losing to one autocracy means losing to the autocratic

world as a whole. and here he will join forces, as is happening now, even with the aid package, about who asked biden, there is help for us, help for israel, but also, i am not just talking about risks and challenges, there is help for taiwan, and accordingly china. have their own, their own approach and their own relationship to how the american administration works with this today, there is of course an important part that concerns the border with mexico or from which crime and fentanyl and other drugs come, which just does not go away, and this is a challenge for life, in fact, of every american and it is clear that

for them this is the number one and number two issue, so the understanding that you can't lose to autocracies and that you need long-term support, that may be a positive outcome of this whole story, but nevertheless, again, the challenges in the context of aid, are we going to get military aid, i think so and now there are no direct threats to this, but in general financial assistance, it may gradually decrease, and we already see that the americans are asking for less assistance, naturally, this requires a detailed analysis of how much is needed, what risk analysis what analysis of needs, and many, many things , but nevertheless, we have to understand that the world is complex, not just like that, this package includes aid to taiwan, there will be elections in january. presidential candidates, very non-trivial, in my opinion, uh, from a larger number of candidates, and for the chinese leadership, this is a very

difficult moment to understand, and what is their further policy and line in relation to taiwan, are they ready to raise the stakes, and most importantly, how to raise the stakes, and in fact these questions, they accumulate, and in one basket, such the world basket, as it is sometimes called, no longer fits, it is necessary to somehow spread them, and it is not possible to spread them yet, of course, mr. pavlo, before we get distracted by a short advertisement, i still want to ask you one question , and again, i take issue with what you said, the help of the united states of america, you had to work as the minister of foreign affairs for probably two and a half years, under donald. trump, it’s true, you worked for about 2.5 years, approximately

about half this time, five years, there is a plus-minus, yes, how difficult or possible was it to work with the administration of donald trump in the matter of aid to ukraine, and both, the binary mentality does not work here, as part of his the administration had people who were true friends of ukraine, who understood ours. needs, this is the secretary of defense, and many others, and finally the secretary of state, tiller , that is, and actually, you remember that we got the first javelins under trump, how it happened is the subject of another conversation, but however, that's why trump is a person who is emotional, who, er, understands his emotion, but also has a business background, he understands what is a tool, now many people

in the states understand that the world, or... is based on rules, or in chaos, or there in a mess, but there, by the way, it differs from this and says: well, maybe we will agree somewhere on a conceptual level, sometimes it really interferes, sometimes it helps, that is, to say again which way it will go , it can be situational and depends on the situation in the world, but also on emotions, well, in principle, trump's policy is very emotional and in this sense it is less strategic, if you will, but again, it is not bad and not good, it is a certain fact. so you already, you already, you already answered the question i wanted to ask you next, about whether trump , for example, if he wins the election next year, will trump be the same trump

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