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the world at war is back on the air of the tv channel, before continuing the conversation with pavlo klimkin, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2014-19, i want to remind everyone who watches us on youtube, please put your preferences and write comments, it is very it is important for us for me personally to read your thoughts, but also for promotion of our program in the complex youtube algorithm, so please like it, yes, and i return to the conversation with mr. pavel, mr. pavel, let's now talk about another topic that was on everyone's lips last week, well, not everyone in the world, it was definitely on the lips of people who are interested in international affairs, this is the visit of the bunker president to china, it was the second... foreign trip,

well, not counting kyrgyzstan, through kyrgyzstan he flew to china and met there with the leader of the heavenly xi jinping, when you watched and analyzed how they met, about what they talked about what they agreed on, what impression did you get, who was speaking from a position of strength, and who was speaking from a position of weakness, i.e. who was, whose master? i'm reading, ma'am. in front of me on the screens putin yi in beijing, it was a meeting of equals, i understand that this is your kind of non-trivial trolling, in fact, everyone understands that today china, and xi, in particular, as the chinese leader, is a senior partner, is there they are classic partners, is it about... vassal dependence of russia,

this is a question, i believe that there is room for both another thing, when xi talks about 200 billion in trade, it means that on the one hand, russia is increasingly dependent on china, and someday there will be a point of no return, but on the other hand, china is currently giving russia the opportunity to actually wage this war. here you are showing putin, who went to a press conference after xi's meeting. please note that putin's press conference, not xi putin's. and this is for the chinese, who are conscious and know the protocol in the last there, at least 3000 years, bahrain. about which the chinese

need from today's russian regime of course resources and the chinese get them. by the way, for some reason, we believe that everything that putin cannot export to the west, he exports to china, this is not true, for example, if we take oil, then china took a very small part of the oil. that was released, she mostly went to india and other countries under various schemes there. well, it is very important for russia to agree on the second stage of the sbr storm-repelling force, because there is nowhere to go. well, the chinese there will screw the russians everything they can, on this, having received conditions and discounts, which probably no one will get yet, in this world.

energetically, and for the chinese, a very serious conversation, this is a conversation about how to use putin and russia and the russian regime to confront the united states, because in china the entire elite believes that this confrontation will determine, well, at least the next generation, as it will take place, peacefully, not really, at the level of reaction or at the level of rivalry, once the european union formed its meaning. in relation to china, hold by the principles, or if you want, in three words, it's actually, everything from rivalry to partnership, here they put all, all,

all this block, that is, they say that there is a strategic competition between the eu and china, there is a rivalry. and actually there is a partnership, how it is put together, today it is almost impossible, you see how china increasingly does not understand that china does not like this world system and world order, although china largely does not want to take responsibility for it, because less this logic, the logic is changing, and china needs putin and needs russian... that's why they don't interested in putin winning, but not so interested in putin finally losing, that is our fundamental challenge, and from the point of view of what i saw from china, i certainly did not see equal partners, i saw,

asymmetrically, unequivocally, is not an equal partnership, if it is a partnership at all, and not just...' russia from china, that is, today we no longer have, as they say, a system where they balance each other, rather, the chinese use russia, and the last between there was no trust between them and there will be no trust, that is, this partnership will not pass into alliance, but using each other, putin has no other choice. and everyone there is no better, better option to use , so this cynical, cynical interaction, it will continue, and i think that for putin this visit and this meeting, it was the main meeting, at least this year. mr.

pavlo, look, you talked about the point of no return, this vassal dependence, what is it, will this point of no return come, and under what conditions can it... can it come? it will come when the west raises its stakes and takes itself more seriously to russian isolation, but you see that the west does not want to do this, and does not want putin with his regime, and most importantly russia as such, since the regime will end someday, will the new regime be better, this is a big question for me, because. .. the problem of russia is not only putin, it is actually russia itself and the russians, but nevertheless, the west does not want the russian regime to fall into final and irreversible dependence on china, and this is also

part of the calculations of many in the west, and so far china will be the main enabler to satisfy their needs, but also in some technologies and in dual-use technologies, then this dependence will increase, part of the russian elites, if you can call them that, they are certainly not just suspicious, mistrustful, even more negative towards china and do not want to go there to go, but it means that the west will continue to play with these elites to break them in relation to the move towards china. putin himself has no particular way out, since putin is already a toxic figure in today's world, both in the west and in the non-west. but what it will continue, let's see, we live

in today's moment, and we worry about today's moment, the world looks at the long term, and unfortunately, we are so lucky. and we cannot allow it now, but we will certainly be able to allow it in the future. i really want this, mr. pavlo, now let's go from east to west. last week, the news spread that the european parliament created a fund to support ukraine, 50 billion euros , and the european parliament voted for it . as far as i understand, now it is necessary to vote for this decision of the european parliament in each individual country, members of the european union, what can happen next? no, sir, everything is not so bad, in fact, the fund was not created by the european parliament, although of course we are grateful

to the members of the european parliament and give them credit, the fund was created by the european commission at the request of the european council, that is , the yesivska agreement is already in place, the question is not that it is necessary to vote and so on, the money will not come from national budgets, but directly from the budget, part of it money, the european union will take on the open markets, as far as i understand from brussels, all these 50 billion, they are, so to speak, safe for ukraine, there will be no fundamental threat that something will break, regarding the 50 billion, then, of course, there will be discussions as well

when to use them, but this is already question number two, in the sense of understanding that 50 billion for 4 years is fixed , it is certainly not enough, but it is a very important and political, actually financial signal, in the sense that even during the war we have a macroeconomic stability and we see it and this is a very non-obvious story. and this is an achievement of ours and of our friends and partners, and a very , very great achievement, because putin and many hoped that this macroeconomic stability would crumble, and yet it exists, it does not mean that there is no need to be vigilant, and there are definitely challenges, but with 50 billion, everything is fine with them, i would briefly say, well, that 's it, that's great, thanks for the clarification, because really,

it seemed to me that when the european parliament votes , it ratifies, or rather, then still ratification in to each individual country, but thank god that you explained that everything is fine with this, let's talk a little more about europe and support from europe, for example, prime minister of hungary viktor orban, well, that's the impression, he won't calm down maybe, even with the fact that he was promised to return, or rather. unlock 13 billion, which the european union was supposed to give him, but blocked, he still continues to talk and talk, last week he was in an interview, i don't remember who, he said in an interview that this is not true, what ukrainians are fighting for europe, no, and russia is not a threat to europe at all, so please tell me why he continues to show so openly that he is angry at brussels, is this still a game, or? there may be something else there, well, i will say that he can break even 17 billion

, not 13, that is, his happiness in quotes will be even greater, and this includes the fee, we must frankly speak for his consent to the beginning of the preliminary process with us , and i think that orbán will throw out many different tricks when the individual... chapters of the introductory process, we understand this very well, orban is the only one of the western leaders, and i consider hungary a western country, whether orban is a western leader is a question, in fact, but hungary is definitely a western country, i met putin officially, i tell everyone that even the serbian president is traditionally friendly in the country, well, they are moving there, but they are traditionally friendly to russia , they crossed paths somewhere, i don’t know, they shook hands, hugged, but crossed paths, but orban

decided that it was necessary to sit on such chairs, write there, video, camera, flags put, that is, this is a classic official meeting, the game that orbán is playing, it is actually very clear, this game that i will continue to bargain, i will bargain for... for the eu money, at the same time i will receive discounts from moscow, and putin will definitely thank orban, and this is part of a fairly stable attitude, or rather, not even an attitude, but orban’s position in domestic politics, since energy prices, uh, determine tariffs, and in any country, including ours, tariffs are a serious story, very emotional for people, and very important for

how much and how they spend, that is, many... people simply support orbán , he says: we will have stability, prices will not rise much, and i guarantee you that, some people protest, because they understand what this means, especially in big cities, but some people agree, and we also have to be honest, well, the third part of his game, she also understood, he wants to be such a small ardaan, maybe i don’t know, eh, and play his game there among strangers, a stranger among their own, and to be a certain mediator between the event and china, the west and putin, and then use it, so that he will not stop this game, he will continue it, he understands that in the modern reality he has

such a sensitivity, if you will, an intuition, it makes him stronger, or rather even ... stronger, she defends it within the eu and nato, despite frankly such disdain for some western values, you know that the money we are talking about, 17 billion, they were suspended in hungary for violating the fundamental principles of the rule of law, as well 30 billion were suspended in poland, but with a new coalition... well, let's see how it will be, but nevertheless, there is every chance that this money will return to poland, and let's face it, if orbán still receives his 17 billion, it will strengthen his position inside hungary,

in relation to his voters, yes, in relation to the part of the business that is oriented towards him, so too, that's why it's a cynical game, and he will continue this cynical game. still , it's a game, and it's a pity that it will continue, because it will happen negatively , obviously on us. 100% but we have leverage too i think these are joint levers with the european commission and so on, it's not yet time to talk about them, but i think that in fact the conversation can be, i won't say that it's pleasant, but effective, it's interesting, mr. pavlo, look, now let's support nato, well i was present almost two weeks ago at the meeting of foreign ministers of nato member countries in brussels, i heard, i heard this support, at least there at the meeting, at least on the sidelines, i heard it, please tell me, what about this aftertaste, which i reached you after this meeting because i was there

volodymyr zelenskyi is present, this one, you get the impression that naoto will continue'. to support ukraine, even though they say that this russian war will be protracted, yes, unequivocally, that is, i will not say that i am there with every country, i communicate there every other day, but in key countries i have many and good acquaintances, there is a history of relations with them, and friends, and i do not feel that any country wants to... slip away or jump out of our support. for example, i feel that we have the opposite situation when on at the beginning of the war, it was difficult for us to convince people, and they watched what was happening, and the politicians supported us consistently enough, now, among

the people, we have more or less constant support, but politicians... who think and how can they continue to support ukraine, at the same time win the elections, because there is inflation, prices, energy supplies and so on, and how can they balance their own budgets, and i believe that the situation can always change, but we have it can still be used properly, so i am afraid that someone, nato excuse us for the slang, there is no kine, and even the country that you and i talked about before is hungary, that is, it will not push sticks in the wheels, it will, it will be. there will be many and they have a strategy to put a stick in our wheels, but this does not mean that hungary is finally exterminated from this, i tell everyone,

no matter how difficult neighbors the hungarians are, or rather hungary, i am not talking about the hungarians, all the same, they agreed to all the sanctions packages, they usually accompany every discussion with their feints, but the sanctions are there, because we they said, it is orban who as of today publicly does not want to see ukraine as a member of nato, but this is only the beginning of the process, and we will see what hungary will be like in the future, so everything is just beginning, but nevertheless, who said that it would be easy, orban is the problem for us will be created both within nato and within the framework of the european union, well, this is a great pity, and since you said that hungary will, to a great regret, throw these things away to us, but it is good that we have some anti-feints against hungarian feints, together with our partners and allies. mr. pavel, i thank you very much for

participation in today's program, for your professional answers and comments, it was pavlo klimkin, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2014-2019. well, it is necessary to sum up already. we saw today in the conversation that despite everything that is happening, the conflict in the middle east, despite the meeting and the handshake between putin and sydzenpin and the handshake between orbán and putin, the world will continue to stay with us, because it has to to be, well, that's all i have for today in the world at war program, that's all only for today, because the next time we meet next monday at the usual time, there will be new guests, new topics, but it will be interesting as always, my name is yuriy fizar, see you soon, we are looking for

nine-year-old victoria changal, who lived in mariupol and disappeared even at the beginning of the full-scale war, on february 24 of last year, during this time there was no news and where the girl could be now no one knows, that is why your help is important. look carefully at the photo and remember victoria changalgal's face. if you know any information about it, immediately call us on the hotline at the short number 1163. calls from any ukrainian mobile operator are free. if suddenly there is no mobile connection, write to the chatbot of the child search service in telegram. believe me. even a small clue can become very important. i also want to remind you that we are continuing the search for five-year-old anastasia tolstokorova.

the search for her has also been going on for the second year, and all this time nothing is known about the girl's fate. i know that nastya lived with her parents in mariupol on zelinsky street. when the war started, the family was in no hurry to leave their hometown. aunt nastya told me about this, she is also the girl's godmother, who lived in mariupol, not far from her niece, we had not been in touch, sometime since march 2, that's for sure, that's why we went home to visit them in guests, i saw them for the last time on march 8, and my father went to see them on march 10, on march 11 they went to their... well, her parents, well, her husband, they also lived nearby, on the night of march 12

the district where the tolstokorov family lived began to be shelled en masse, and at approximately four in the morning one of the shells hit the high-rise building where nastya lived with her parents, we know that on march 11 they did not go anywhere, the neighbors saw them and that was all, and on 12 in march, when the flight arrived, there was chaos, people... were running, who was going where. mrs. nina told me that after the shelling, she personally came to the house where her sister lived with her husband and nastya. the multi-story building was partially destroyed and burned. everyone around was panicking, but their relatives nina was nowhere to be found, and in fact, since then, there has been no news about the tolstokorov family. maybe they ran away somewhere, maybe there were wounds somewhere, yes. the wounded took them, well, we don't know, people, i'm really begging you, if you've seen them somewhere, uh, help us look for them, uh. if

you know any information, please call. 11630 is the short number for magnolia children's tracing service. if you know anything about the tovstvokorov family, call here. calls from any mobile operator are free. here is a photo of the parents nastya mother's name is olga volodymyrivna, and father's name is pavlo igorovych. they are both 89 years old. five-year-old nastya is very sociable, cheerful and active. the girl looks her age, let's watch a short video with her, she is a developed girl, she can read poems and sing songs, well, that is, she speaks normally for her age and has a good memory, she remembers very well, she is such

a lively girl, thin. fair hair, well, a very cheerful child. so, although nasya is small, she is very communicative. let's do it again let's look carefully at the photo of the girl. remember those big blue eyes. nastya is thin, has blond hair and looks like a five-year-old child. if anyone sees me on social networks in the occupied territory and knows at least something about the fate of nastya tolstoorova, do not delay and call us to slu... search for magnolia children by short number 1163. calls from any ukrainian mobile operator are free, if there is no opportunities to call, write to the chatbot of the child tracing service in telegram, any information is important. we have created a resource through which you can report any crime against a child. in any place, at any time, just go to

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