president kerny to china, this was the second foreign trip, well, not counting kyrgyzstan, he flew to china through kyrgyzstan and met there with the leader of the celestial empire xijinping. when you watched and analyzed how they met, what they talked about, what they agreed on, what impression did you get , who was speaking from a position of strength, and who was speaking from a position of weakness, that is, who was to whom... i am reading mr. yurieter in front of me on the screens putin isi in beijing, it was a meeting of equals, i understand that this is yours, non-trivial trolling, in fact, it is clear to everyone that today china, and everyone, in particular, as a chinese leader, is a senior partner, are they a classic partner or is it

gradually becoming a vassal dependence of russia, this is a question, i believe that and another thing, when xi talks about 200 billion in trade, it means that on the one hand russia is increasingly dependent on china and one day there will be a point of no return, but on the other hand china is currently giving russia the opportunity to actually wage this war. here you show putin, who went to the press conference after the meeting with xi, please note that the press conference is putin's, not xi putin's. and this is for the chinese, who are conscious and know the protocol in the last there.

at least 3,000 years, says a lot, and the chinese, of course, need resources from today's russian regime, and the chinese get them, by the way, for some reason we believe that everything that putin cannot export to the west, he exports to to china, this is not true, for example, if you take oil, then china has taken on a lot a small part of the oil that was released, it mainly went to india and other countries , according to various schemes there, er, it is very important for russia to agree on the second stage of the gas pipeline , the power of siberia, since there is nowhere for the gas to go , well, the chinese are there they are screwing the russians as much as they can on this, having received conditions and discounts that probably

no one in this world will receive in terms of energy, and for the chinese, a very serious conversation, this is a conversation about how to use putin and russia and the russian regime to oppose the united states, since the entire elite in china believes that this confrontation will determine, well, at least... the next generation, how it will take place, peacefully, not really, at the level of reconciliation, or at the level of rivalry, once the european union formed, the meaning of its policy towards china is based on principles, or if you want, in three words, it is actually everything from rivalry

to partnership, so they invested the whole, the whole whole of this block, that is, they say that there is a strategic competition between the eu and china, there are rivalries and actually there is a partnership like this is put together, it is almost impossible today, you see how china increasingly does not understand that china does not like this world system and world order, although china is largely the world order, although china largely does not want to take responsibility for it, because less, this logic, the logic is changing, and china needs putin and needs the russian regime, which is why they are not interested in putin winning, but just as disinterested in putin ultimately losing. this is our fundamental challenge, and from

the point of view of what i saw from china, i i definitely did not see equal partners, i saw, asymmetrically... definitely not an equal partnership, if it is a partnership at all, and not just the dependence of russia on china, that is, today we no longer have, as they say , a system where they balance each other, rather, the chinese are using russia, and the last one, there was no trust between them and there will be no trust, that is... this partnership will not turn into an alliance, but using each other, putin has no other way out, and everyone has no better, better option to use , so what a cynical, cynical interaction, it

will continue, and i think for putin this visit and this meeting, it was the main meeting, at least this year. mr. pavlo, look, you spoke. about the point of no return of this vassal dependence, what will this point of no return occur, and under what conditions can it occur? it will come when the west raises the stakes and takes more seriously russian isolation, but you see that the west does not want to do this, and does not want putin with his regime, and most importantly russia as such... since the regime will one day end, will the new regime be better - this is a big question for me, because the problem of russia is not only putin, it is actually russia itself and the russians, but nevertheless, the west does not want the russian the regime was falling into

final and irreversible dependence on china, and this is also part of the calculation of many in the west. and as long as china is the main enabler, to meet its needs, but also, in some technologies and in dual-use technologies, then this dependence will increase, part russian elites, if you can call them that, they are certainly not just suspicious, mistrustful, even more negative towards china. and does not want to go there, but this means that the west will continue to play with these elites in order to break them in relation to the movement towards china, putin himself has no special way out, since putin is already a toxic figure in today's world, and in

the west as well and at sunset, but what will happen next, we will see, we live in today's moment, we are worried about today's moment...' the world is looking at a long perspective and unfortunately, we cannot afford such happiness now, but we will definitely be able to afford it in the future. i really want this, mr. pavlo, now let's move from east to west, last week the news flew that the european parliament created a support fund for ukraine of 50 billion euros and it was voted in the european parliament, well, we were happy here last week, and we were not too early rejoice, because as far as i understand, now, it is necessary to vote for this resolution of the european parliament in each individual country, member of the european

union, what could be next, no, no, mr. yuri, everything is not so bad, in fact, the fund was not created by the european parliament, although we are of course grateful to the member of the european parliament and give credit, the fund was created by the european commission at the request of the european council, that is, the yesivska agreement is already in place , the question is not that it all needs to be voted on and so on, the money will not come from national budgets, but directly from the european budget, part of this money, er, the european union will take on open markets, as far as... i i understand from brussels, c all these 50 billion are, so to speak, safe for ukraine , there will be no fundamental threat that something will break in relation to the 50 billion, then of course there will be

discussions about how and when to use them, but this is already question number two, in the sense of understanding that 50 billion for 4 years is fixed, it is certainly not enough, but it is a very important, both political and actually financial signal in the sense that even during the war we have macroeconomic stability, and we can see it, and this is a very obscure story, and this our achievements, and those of our friends and partners, and very much a very big achievement, since putin and many hoped that this macroeconomic stability would crumble to nothing, but nevertheless, it exists, it does not mean that there is no need to be vigilant and there are definitely challenges, but from 50 billion with them, with them

everything ok, i would say briefly, well, that's great, thank you for the clarification, because really, it seemed to me that when the european parliament votes, it ratifies, or rather, then there is ratification in each individual country, but thank god that you explained , that everything is fine with this, let's talk a little more about it anyway europe and about support from europe. for example, the prime minister of hungary viktor orbán, well, that is the impression, he cannot calm down, even though he was promised to return, or rather unblock, 13 billion euros that the european union was supposed to give him, but blocked, he still continues to speak and to speak, last week in an interview, i don't remember who, he said in an interview that it is not true that ukrainians are fighting for europe, and no, russia is not a threat to europe, please tell me. why does he then so openly show that to him get mad at brussels, is this the next game, or

could there be something else? well, i will say that he can break even 17 billion, not 13, that is, his happiness in quotes will be even greater, and this includes the fee, we must frankly speak for his consent to the beginning of the preliminary process with us, i think that orbán will still throw out many different tricks when the individual chapters of the admission process will be opened, we understand this perfectly, orbán is the only one of the western leaders, and i consider hungary a western country, whether orbán is a western leader is a question, in fact, but hungary exactly a western country, met putin officially, i tell everyone that even the serbian president in the country... traditionally friendly, well , they move there, but traditionally friendly to

russia, somewhere in the corridor i crossed paths, i don't know, shook hands there, hugged, but crossed each other, orban decided that it was necessary to sit on such chairs, record there, video, camera, put up flags, that is, this is a classic official meeting, the game orban plays, it is actually very clear. this game is that i will continue to trade, i will trade for, for eu money, at the same time i will receive discounts from moscow, and putin will definitely thank orban, and this is part of a fairly stable attitude, or rather, not even an attitude, but orban’s position in politics, since energy prices determine

tariffs, and in any which country, including ours, tariffs are a serious story, very emotional for people, and very important for how much and how they spend, that is, many people simply support orbán, he says: we will have stability, prices will not rise much, and i guarantee you, some people are against... because they understand what it means, especially in big cities, but some people agree, and we have to be honest, and the third part of his game, she also understands, he wants to be such a small mardaan, i don’t know, maybe, and play the game of one’s own among strangers, a stranger among one’s own, and be a certain mediator between the west and china, the west and putin, and then use it, so that he will not

stop this game, he will to lead it further, he understands that in modern reality he has such a perceptive, if you will, intuition, it makes him stronger, or rather, not even stronger, it protects him inside the eu and nato, despite frankly such a contemptuous ... attitude towards some western values, you know that the money that we let's say 17 billion, they were suspended in hungary for violating the fundamental rule of law, 30 billion were also suspended in poland, but with a new coalition, well, let's see how it will be, but nevertheless, there is every chance that this money will return to poland, well and agree if orbán still gets it his 17 billion, it will strengthen his position

inside hungary, in relation to his voters, yes in relation. part of the business that is oriented towards him is also like that, so this is a cynical game, and he will continue this cynical game, it is still a game, well, it is a pity that it will continue, because it will reflect negatively, obviously on us, 100% , but we also have levers, i think they are joint levers with the european commission and so on, it's not time to talk about them yet, but i think that actually... the conversation can be, i won't say pleasant, but effective, it's interesting , mr. pavlo, look, now let's support nato, well, i was present almost two weeks ago at the meeting of foreign ministers of nato member countries in brussels, i heard, i heard this support, at least there at the meeting,

at least i heard it on the sidelines, please tell me and this aftertaste that reached you after this meeting, because volodymyr zelenskyi was present there, this one. you get the impression that nato will continue to support ukraine, even though they say this russian war will be protracted. yes, definitely, that is, i am not i will say that i communicate with every country there, every other day, but in the key countries, i have many good acquaintances, i have a history of relations with them and friends, and i do not feel that any country wants to slip out or jump out from our support, for example, i feel that we have the opposite situation, when at the beginning of the war, it was difficult for us to convince people, they watched

what was happening, politicians consistently enough on... supported, then now, among the people in our there is more or less permanent support, but the politicians think as they should continue to support ukraine, at the same time win the elections, because there is inflation, energy prices and so on, and how can they manage their own budgets, and i believe that the situation can always change, but we have to... use all the same properly, that is why i am afraid that someone , like us, excuse the slang kine, there is no, and even the country that you and i talked about before this is hungary, that is , it will not push sticks in the wheels, it will, it will, there will be many, and they have a strategy to

put sticks in our wheels, but this is not it it means that hungary is finally exterminated from this, i all... say, no matter how easy neighbors the hungarians are, more precisely , hungary, i am not talking about the hungarians, anyway they agreed to all the sanctions packages, they usually accompany every discussion with their feints, but there are sanctions, so, as we said, this is a game, orban, the state today publicly does not want to see ukraine as a member of nato, but this is only the beginning of the process, and we will see: with what hungary will be ahead, so everything is just beginning, but that is not less, who said that it would be easy, orban will be a problem for us to create both within nato and within the european union, well, it is a great pity, and since you said that hungary will unfortunately throw away these feints, but it is good that we have some anti-feints

for hungarian feints, together with our partners and allies, sir. mr. pavlo, i thank you very much for participating in today's program, for your professional answers and comments, it was pavlo klimkin, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, well, we need to summarize already, we saw today in the conversation that the world is with us, despite everything that is happening, the conflict in the middle east , despite the meetings and handshakes, between putin and sidzenpin and the handshake between orbán and putin, the world will continue to be with us, because it has to be. well, that's all i have for today. in the program world during the war, everything is only for today, because next time we meet next monday at the usual time, there will be new guests, there will be new topics, but it will be interesting as always,

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12-year-old boy, whose name is roma kyriak. our hotline 116.30 was contacted by a methodologist at a children's shelter in the village of rozhishche, volyn region. she said that the boy got into theirs institution on september 29, and since then the child. none of the relatives, unfortunately, is looking. someone, maybe, will recognize roman, someone will provide some information, someone, well, somehow bring him closer to his family. we rely only on you. now, with your help , we need to do everything possible to find the relatives of 12-year-old roma as soon as possible, or anyone who may know information about them. first of all , i talked with the boy himself and at the same time. did not ask him questions about his family, his mother, and did not inquire about details that could psychologically traumatize the child.

hello, please tell me a little about yourself, where you study, what is your real name and how old are you, my name is roma, i am 12 years old, i am from chernivtsi, well, from a hut, from the chernivtsi region, well, i love it more , this is mathematics and this is the ukrainian language, and please tell me, do you have any hobbies, hobbies? besides studying, what do you like to do, well, i like to run , i once ran 5 km, it’s not bad, and i also like to play football, draw, i like, i often draw all kinds of cars, and please tell me which ones you maybe there are favorite movies or cartoons , books, maybe, well, my... my favorite, my

favorite movie is det garfil, me too, by the way, i love him too, that kind of thing. at the same time , roma told his story while talking to the educators and psychologists of the children's shelter. so the boy was brought there by the police, who saw him unaccompanied by adults at the bus station in the city of lutsk. roma said that he was traveling alone without his parents from his grandmother. in the village of nova volya in the volyn region, home in the town of khotyn in the chernivtsi region. of course, the police are not they let the boy travel on his own and transferred him to a children's shelter in order to establish his parents in the meantime. roma said that he lives with his mother, brother and two sisters, and his father lives separately. the boy also gave the exact address of his residence, it is khotyn, 9 tolstogo street. and there, the children's service went to

this address. i checked to see if such people live there, the mother is not at her place of residence , the house is empty, neither the mother nor the children are in the house, the neighbors said that they have left, it is not known where, so where is the mother now the boy, his father, brother and sisters are unknown, their phones are switched off, the grandmother has also not been contacted yet, and for some reason none of them are looking for the child, at the same time we know the names of the mother, father, brother and sisters, so kyriak olga petrivna and kyriak eduard mykolavych are parents, brother mykola, he is 16 years old, six-year-old and nine-year-old sisters, whose names are kherovyma and serafima. we also learned that all the children went to khotyn lyceum number one until september 14, but recently the mother took the children's documents and they no longer attended classes. the boy himself now feels well, both physically and psychologically, but

he talks about his family. reluctantly, there is an assumption that he does not negotiate, because all these days, how long has he been with us, we have asked him more than once, well, name at least the last names of your friends, at school, where you studied, what kind of friends there are, like teachers name, he did not remember anyone, according to the psychologist who works with him more, he, even recently, has opened up more, makes more contact, wants to... communicate, but not so much about his family wants to talk i really hope for your attentiveness and concern. if you have recognized the boy and know any, even the slightest information about him, his parents or relatives, immediately notify us on the hotline 116.30. calls from all mobile operators in ukraine are free.

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