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, thank you for watching from the press, we will continue to communicate with guests, in connection with our studio, investment banker, our colleague and popular blogger serhiy fursa. mr. serhiy, congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, congratulations. i will start with you, as they say, with a quote from a great modern philosopher, before trump said that he has a friend orban, who rules turkey, as you understand, yes, and he knows how to sit down somewhere and negotiate and stop the war, well, he spoke there , half a bucket of funny, but he mentioned orbán, and we always mention orbán, and not only in the historical dimension of the fact that the hungarians, fascists and hitler's allies never bore responsibility for the aggression of the second world war and are playing very well in the new world war. into

a new game, and that's why i have a question for you, banking variety, we know the hysteria of orban and all his fidosiks regarding otp bank, which was on the sanctions list as a bank that helps finance aggression against ukraine. excluding the bank's otp from this list was orbán's key to not block financial aid from the european union or any others. european integration or euro-atlantic integration processes of ukraine. ukraine excluded otp bank from this list. but in the turkish turkish orban, as donald trump says, the hysteria continues. so what's up with that bank, explain to us. well, they excluded him, why are they blocking us from half a million in aid from the european union. such polite european hungarians.

leaders, well, because orban wants something else in addition to this, in principle, the inclusion of otp bank in this list, in the list of sponsors of the war, had little effect on otbank, to put it bluntly, it had no effect at all, that is why it had such a rather symbolic meaning, but orbán bargains all the way on many issues , including the issue of money from the european union, because because he is a friend of trump, he is at the same time an autocrat, a person who is a big corruption and a person who in breaks the judicial system, all trump's friends, somehow they are so similar to each other, and precisely because of this, the european union blocks a large part of the money that is intended for hungary, and orbán bargains for this money and uses ukraine as a real lever of influence, sir sergei, i am very excited to count other people's money, russia's money, now that a full-scale invasion has begun, and we simply demanded that sanctions be imposed

on whatever we can, on whomever we can, and we immediately counted to ourselves then that once, once sanctions, now they are all there, they will all lose your income, all funds. will not have the opportunity to work economically and the war will stop for more than a year and a half, the war has been going on for over a year and a half, and the end of the country is unfortunately not in sight at the moment, british intelligence actually says that it is becoming more difficult for russia to finance the war, because the costs are constantly increasing, in addition to the costs there for armaments , they still have some funds, for those of their dead and for some compensations to their families, well, each time... a higher percentage, each time higher sums must be allocated for armaments for the war, how much longer will they last, eh, where will they still get the money from, are their businessmen, oligarchs, any more powerful left, from whom something can be pumped, as long as they still

have this financial cushion, according to your calculations, well, look, iran 40 years under sanctions, and we see that even after 40 years it can threaten israel. and can be dangerous. it will be the same story with russia. russia, every day of sanctions, every month of sanctions, are very expensive, and this is for russia, and it reduces its capacity, but it does not reset the capacity. actually, just now, if we were to imagine russia's potential without sanctions, it would be much greater. and we may not have seen these shots of vadiyivka, where they are extinguishing the old ziloks, from the time of the second world war, going on the offensive in this way, this is also the result. of sanctions is that they can only do it in this way, but they can do it, and there is no point, a point of conditional bifurcation, after which everything will fall apart and they will no longer be able to, simply the ability will gradually decrease, as the actual level

life of russians, now, when polls are held, it seems as if the sanctions are not in effect, and at the same time, twice as many russians say that they do not have enough salaries than they said two years ago about this, salaries there are money for salaries and, in principle, money for life, that is why russia is poorer, russia's capabilities are falling, but they will always remain at a certain level. mr. serhiy , please tell me, i am now looking at all the reports that relate to russian oil subject to sanctions, and as of the fall of 2023, after some sanction drop, they they actually resumed oil exports to e, the level almost before the invasion of 2022, russia exports oil to other countries, increased quotas in the european union tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk tuk

are transported by tankers, which for some reason do not fall under the price limit, under sanctions, they restored the volumes and in terms of money and everything that is wrong, it is either the russians are so... cunning together with the indians and the chinese, or these sanctions are kind of crude, with holes to the right and to the left? well, first of all, for money they did not recover, if we look at the revenues from oil and gas of the russian budget, they remain somewhere at the same level in rubles, despite the fact that the ruble devalued at the same time almost twice, ugh, so it does not bring them so much money, but yes , the truth is that this ceiling did not work. as expected. russia was able, maybe mostly, to circumvent this ceiling by using tankers that are not actually tankers there from european jurisdiction, or tankers that are not insured, it was all because of insurance, and

there was a perception that without insurance the russians could not will be able to do it, but they were able to do it, they formed their own fleet , they found people who are willing to transport oil, of course it costs money, it also affects their income, but actually it did not work as the us treasury hoped for it, and indeed the ceiling as a ceiling does not work, and the russians sell most of their oil at a higher price than this ceiling, uh, thank you, mr. sergey, sergey fursa, the investment banker was with us, by the way, actually, later in the next package, the 12th package of sanctions , which is prepared by the european the union, which has to be approved and actually now, has, they are waiting for the decision of the g7 countries, there will be diamonds, and this is also something that should reduce the capabilities of russia a little, but, as pangey said, they can still last 40 years, that the poor yakuts

, who are going to die, will be even poorer, diamonds will not affect the russian economy in any way, if this package finally contained serious oil sanctions that would cover...' these holes, then there would be a phenomenon that would repeat the soviet union after the invasion of afghanistan, but this is not in these packages, so packages we can still expect at least 12 more, let it be the 25th package. if bryuliks will be banned, it will not work in any way. well, our colleague, yehor chicherinda, is currently in kyiv, and a political expert has come to visit him, but hayhor will tell us himself who, what, and what yehor will talk about, congratulations. greetings colleagues, we are at mykhailivska square, yahor chicherin, yes, olesya yakhno, with us, our international expert, congratulations, mrs. olesya. congratulations, i wanted to, yes, let's talk about our fugitives, about the zadars, about multiple citizenship, but

i wanted to start with the events that happened yesterday, yesterday, the american president, joe biden, spoke to reporters at the white house and interrupted his speech, urgently, to visit the situational room where decisions are made, here are situational, current, which are urgent immediately, due to the attack by drones of the american... bass in syria, the militants of the islamic resistance movement of iraq attacked the us base in syria with the help of drones. it is noted that the attack was aimed at american bases located near the al-omar oil fields and al-shadadi in syria, somehow this event, ms. olesya, passed by a wide audience there, news feeds almost, but well, in the states, this is one of the most important events tonight, what do you think, well, about that, i read viktor shlinchak, ours too polytech expert, he wrote on social networks that this shows: that the situation around israel will not subside in two or three weeks, what do you think? well,

to be honest, i actively follow all the news related to the region, including, if it concerns syria, and earlier i must say that there were precedents, well, not shelling, but the fact that there was a drone flying over the american bases, that is, it did not appear now, well, as something extraordinary, but i observed similar precedents there a month ago and more than a period ago. another thing is that now, in the conditions when the situation in the region is aggravating, it is clear that such precedents are perceived differently, they are perceived not in isolation from the situation in general, in its context, and well, i don't know, i don't think , that we can directly say that the flight of the drone, its fixation, will influence, whether the military operation will last a week or two or longer. related to gas with israel, i think that after all it depends more on other factors, on what

the goals are directly set for the gas sector, we know that there are several operations under consideration, or it will be simple, well, if there actions of special forces, whether it will be a ground operation, yes, but of course, any precedent, it would be perceived with additional attention, because any step, it can , as it were, expand the scope of the conflict. and if someone aimed at this with cruel actions in the gas sector of hamas against israel in order to start a big war, that is, by charging as many subjects as possible, including in connection with syria, where, for example, there may be different interests, there is the river, there is also iran , there's a lot of other countries out there, so of course, well if in this case this one if yes, it just attracts an additional, i just know, it's not just a drone strike, some photos have come out where just huge, well the fire remains in place there , where there were oil bases, that is, there was an impact

effective, and several photos from different places, i will still quote victor shlinchak, the strike on the us military base in syria, after which biden interrupted his speech, hurried to this situational room, shows that in the funnel of the war, in the near in the east, more and more players are getting involved, unfortunately, this is only the beginning of the end of the confrontation in two or three weeks, it will definitely not be, will the number of parties in this conflict increase, can she, who can... join, god forbid, this escalation around israel, i think the usa is doing everything to prevent the expansion of the conflict, although maybe someone really wants it, in particular russia and iran, because then a really big war in the middle east, it will not only, well, still divert partial attention from ukraine, but also it will break those coalitions, those alliances with arab and non-arab countries , well, turkey, a classic example, a nato country, but as a muslim... country, well, it will make rather cautious statements, that's why there are, i think, such plans , someone really wanted a big

war, but i think the united states will do everything to prevent this from happening, in biden's speech , which we all actively discussed a few days ago, where ukraine and israel were discussed, three very clear conclusions can be drawn there, the first conclusion, which concerns ukraine, that the west will do everything , in order not to allow russia to overtake western governments, which means that we must vote for this aid package for ukraine. second, regarding israel, biden made it very clear that hamas is a terrorist group that has nothing to do with palestinian interests. autonomy, and this must be... very clearly separated, thus supporting, well, if the actions of israel specifically by anti-terrorist groups, but thirdly, from what, well, if i could read, draw a conclusion, and returning to your question, that the united the states will do everything to prevent the growth of a big war, and the fact that immediately near yemen there were warships

of the united states and well if, and all others, well maybe accompanying, if yes military. and this is aimed precisely at not prejudging, yes, provocations are possible, steps are possible there, and the fact that a humanitarian corridor has been built in palestine to the gas sector through egypt , well, there israel is simply checking that these are exactly humanitarian cargoes, this also shows that this was also the position of the state, which was during the negotiations and before the visit to israel, and to the conversation with the president of palestine, mahmoud abbas, that is... everything is being done to lower the stakes if yes, well, the heat, but the fact that there will be similar precedents, what with the bases and the fact that there are obviously players, who would like a big war is a fact. thank you, come on, you are considered in to ukraine as a specialist in russian issues, but i wanted to talk about one russian issue that arose unexpectedly, thanking our colleagues from

the radio liberty program, the editors, natalka sedletska wrote about it in her facebook account, about what turned out to be oleksandr efremov, do you remember such a person, the former head of the faction of the party of regions in the parliament, it turned out that he had already last year, on march 18 , 2022, boarded a train and left for slovakia , from where he crossed, i don't know, through poland, or through what he flew by planes or through turkey, and turned out to be in moscow, where he now lives quietly in an apartment worth 4 million dollars, called... triumph palace, a huge moscow morochoz in the style of the stalinist empire, and the area of ​​the apartment is 650 m, it belongs either to him or to him son, and it turned out that the ukrainian prosecutor, he is the accused in the case about the state council, which dragged on for several years, it turned out that the prosecutors simply did not extend the term of the preventive measure, and this is the top news of both yesterday and today, what do you

think, well who guilty, who should be responsible for the fact that ukrainian traitors find themselves peacefully through europe. please, well, you know, i am very surprised by this situation in general, well, not only me, i think that when we now look at what was in addition to a large-scale invasion, when there were allegedly cases against these people, but they either did not end in anything, or people felt calm, many were able to escape, and some returned to activities, a classic example is nel stepa, yes, who was under investigation, and then she participated in the elections, in general local, well, this is nonsense, yes yes, no, if not proven guilty, then of course, yes, but there are just such precedents, there are a lot of cases, when cases were opened, or not proven guilty, or people just ran away, and now, well, i think it's, well, how to say what to do with it, how to fight with it, as they say, there after, well, if there were fights, yes, there is a saying, yes,

they don't wave their hands anymore, well, that is, i to what should have been my own before. modern actions, now that these people have fled, what can the ukrainian state do? the ukrainian state can issue court decisions in absentia, bringing the matter to an end, and thus making it clear that even outside the borders of ukraine , if these people return, or if they go somewhere outside the borders of russia, ukraine will demand their return, but now, well, this is the conclusion. to the fact that impunity then, well, to a large extent it provoked impunity and further, because during this full-scale invasion, we saw how much was inside, including, well, those who cooperated there, who incited, i still, returning to the responsibility of the prosecutor's office and the court, yefremov was put on trial for years, i think it was

from the 14th year, and then he, first he was in custody, then he was released. and then he left, well, in every such act of error there is a specific name, surname and patronymic, this is the starobyl court, which was occupied, then the case was supposed to be transferred to dnipropetrovsk, to dnipro, i apologize, but this did not happen, the prosecutors the preventive measure was not extended, the person left, should there be any responsibility for this or not? well , i think that it is not rare when we see that in fact the absence, well, there is inaction yes, for example, yes, it actually gives permission for people to escape or avoid responsibility, but i am not convinced that it will be easy, if yes, to prove under the conditions of our bureaucratic rules, because everyone... well, if these are all the possibilities to attribute to certain norms, to a procedure, to a process that it may simply drag on in time

, although of course they should be responsible, but if we still return to the question, well, if yes, how to bring these persons to justice after all, then is to make decisions in absentia, final, i am not only talking about efremov, because i think this is not the only pred, well , let's not only about efremov, the shevchenko court. finally held, as it is, a pre-trial hearing, a preliminary hearing in the case, a preparatory hearing, it is correctly called, in the case of the former head of the sbu main department in crimea, oleh kolinich, who is also accused of high treason, the trial in the case has not yet taken place, there were no hearings, but it is interesting that on april 5 of this year the law enforcement officers completed the investigation of the kolinich state council case, but six months have passed and the case is finally only preparation for... the meeting, i'm just leading to what, well, if there is enough evidence for the prosecution, then why does the court wait six months, so that six months later kulinich

repeats efremov's fate, that is, he got out, then they did not extend his preventive measure, left and ended up in russia , or how do we feel about dragging out similar, similar processes , we don't know the actual situation from a procedural point of view, so if we can only give political assessments, well, not having been, we don't know, maybe.. . there were some extras, it happens, yes, some extras materials, and it would take even more time there, we don't know that, i only know that in general the situation with the courts in ukraine is not the best in the sense that we lack 2000 judges, of course, when we talk about this type of crime, then these are not the courts of the first instance, where if it were real, well, there is this shortage, and i know many precedents, by the way, where are the cases... court cases, even absolutely simple ones, which require, well, there a period of consideration of a month or two, they can to be considered, because some courts are closed, judges go somewhere

pass, and this is a problem in general, not only a political one, i think that even people at a simple level, they face it even more, collide with it, but this situation, i think that there are still certain procedural points related or with new information, or maybe with some related ones, maybe it is connected to other cases with other persons, because the entire southern region, not only crimea, yes, but there is also the kherson region, there are a number of well if also people who are under investigation and so on, but here, but if the investigation is completed, the case transferred to the court, then the court does not meet for six months, for me it is a question, why so, but here, if these are such political cases that concern state treason, well, there should still be at least some... precisely from the side, and they should be considered as a priority, it seems, but we have one more topic left, i will announce it, the minister of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba, announced the day before about

the need to give ukrainians the opportunity to have multiple citizenships, not dual, but multiple, he spoke to the public, addressed the world congress of ukrainians, said, i am firmly convinced of the need to introduce multiple citizenship, we should not be guided by the fear of giving out foreign passports in ukraine, the power of the ukrainian passport in ukraine and the world. emphasized dmytro kuleba, but we will continue this topic tomorrow, tomorrow we will have vadym denysenko, our political expert, we will talk about this and other topics, at 11:40, the inclusion is next from kyiv, and for now , thank you olesya yakhno, thank you for the inclusion, colleagues , i give you the word, ether on espresso continues, thank you, thank you egor, egor checherinda, our colleague, the anchor from kyiv, was with us , meanwhile, it's loud in sevastopol that we don't know at the moment, but the russians, the occupiers are reporting about the enemy's air defense systems, that is, we will monitor our ukrainian air defense systems. in dnipropetrovsk region, our military destroyed a missile over kamiansky district, for which we thank you, but now there is a threat

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we summarize the informative morning in ukraine on the air of news, khrystyna parubiy works in the studio. hepatitis a has spread in vinnytsia region, 60 people have already been hospitalized, among them 14 children, more than 10 patients are waiting. confirmation of the diagnosis - the ministry of health reported. currently, specialists are looking for the cause of the outbreak, checking spontaneous markets and water supply. in particular, 66 water samples from private shops and points of sale have already been taken for the study. currently, it is known that 53 samples meet sanitary standards. two wounded as a result of enemy shelling of the village of maksimivka.