[000:00:00;00] because then it will cost everyone dearly and first of all, first of all israel, i think, therefore, it seems to me that it would be a mistake on the part of israel to think that russia can do something so balanced, no, they can be tangential to the war of hamas against israel, it is just falling apart so far, and what can prevent the united states of america from implementing this policy of its own, in relation to the three and three states for which these states are important for washington from the point of view of the future of civilization, the future of democracy in the world of three states, i wanted to clarify, you have on mind you, which three countries, israel, ukraine, and taiwan, well, actually , yes, what we heard from the president of the united states, it was a very decisive speech, i read it in such a way

that you are forming an army of such bandits, if, who want, well, bandits are not bandits, but it was clearly said , including by china, that we want to introduce a new world order, not the world order that was established after the second world war and then the cold war, but a new world order in which the role of it is not the nature of states to play, relatively speaking, and this it's true, the taliban were invited to beijing, that is, they were something, not so long ago...' until they seized power, they were terrorists, they destroyed historical assets in the same territory of afghanistan, they have women at the level of slavery now, but in beijingers believe that everyone decides their own lifestyle, the main thing is that you, if the government in a specific country, this is the approach of beijing that they want, this is their one belt, one road, i call it, let the chinese not be offended,

but it looks so as one yoke, one. one way, because, well, you know, well, countries like that invite russia, shake hands, sdzenpin says, in china there is a saying that when you give a rose, the smell of the rose remains on your hands, even when you gave it, and what remains, what is the smell after shaking hands with putin, i don’t understand, beijing these line, they are losing its image very seriously, by the way, i drew your attention to china a little, but now today there is a new data report, that is, a report on the chinese stock market, the stock market where shares are traded, it fell below the 19th year, even before of covid-19, in dollar equivalent minus 15%, well, now there was 15% for today, but this is a disaster, because it means that the real estate market, well, it could be a disaster for

china, is leaving the real estate market. see the risks as geopolitical, and china is very vulnerable from an economic point of view, despite its huge size. when we speak and when russia and china speak, they mention their size, how many people, what countries per territory, and if you look at their capacity, how much they have per person and what level of development, then these are not the countries that can brag about anything in front of the usa or even any country of the european union. well, from those who are central, western europe, what are we talking about, that is, china, and well, russia, i am not saying anything anymore, because this, i called senator mccain, that this is the upper volta with nuclear weapons, yes, in russia nuclear weapons, china has less of this, china sees its development in a different way, but it also faces very big

economic problems, so i think that the formation of two blocs, i also see it, there will be no multipolar world, already it can be seen that from january 1, six countries join the brics countries, brics, well, this is what basically unites south africa, india, china, russia, brazil, and plus six countries, there are such strange countries as ethiopia, in principle, a big country, iranders or the same , that is why they are gradually forming such an economic connection, but on, but... nowadays the economy does not work without security, without the cover of security, that is why china openly went to form a bloc, a big bloc, where china will be the leader and there will be supporters behind it his lines, russia has already signed up to this, that's all, they have already signed a partnership there without limits or without borders, russia putin has already

surrendered his country to this scheme, that is, i don't know what the russians will do next there, but he surrendered in exchange for the fact that china will now turn a blind eye to its crimes in europe, on ukrainian territory, it will expand further, and probably in the next 10-15 years we will witness the formation of two such blocs and third groups of countries that will maneuver between them, that is, this is a very familiar scheme of the cold war, the soviet union, the united states, and means third world countries, but the place of the soviet union will now be replaced by china, that's the whole logic, probably this is how people would be used to living, because no one can propose a more complex scheme, and therefore ukraine must be understood there. that now this is only the first stage of the formation of this new world order and we have our task to remove war from our country, that's all, that is, we will not be able

to avoid wars in the world, they will be, and you say taiwan, in your speech, well, joseph biden so briefly about taiwan, yes he said funds there, but that's where it will be in my opinion the next 5-10 years are hot... not just a hot spot, but just the possibility of turning into a regional conflict, what we are currently seeing in the middle east, even what we are seeing in the russian war against ukraine, this can still be stopped, that is, it is simply a very big effort for us in terms of resources, in terms of the development of the country, in the end, we lose our people more dearly, but this is a start, let us, god grant, so that next year we throw this... war out of our territory it's simple, but this conflict will unfold, i'm not in it i doubt it, everyone is currently measuring their muscles on different planes , including at sea, including in regions, international

organizations, this is a kind of reconnaissance, preparation for a big clash, which will then distribute the places of everyone in the world, and believe me , russia won't be anywhere near there, china is a serious power, and i'm being honest. perhaps their combination of their economic and then military strength with their governance regime in their country. thank you, mr. valery, in just a few minutes we will return to the conversation, now we will have tatyana on vysotska, our correspondent in europe and european institutions. tatyana, i congratulate you, i'm glad to see you on our air, i congratulate sergey, i'm also very glad to see you, greetings from the already empty sidelines. of the palace of europe in strasbourg and actually ready for questions, very interesting, thank you tania, on sunday in paris, 15,000 people came to a rally in support of the palestinian people, according to journalists,

the police blocked the streets around the square where people tried to condemn, well mass murders in quotation marks are mass murders, of course, as if committed israel in the gas sector. please tell me how france treats the war in the middle east, and is it somehow different from the attitude towards the war in ukraine? yes, actually, in france, as we know, a large muslim community traditionally lives, and therefore it affects both french politics and the attitude of the french to what is happening now in the middle east, and we can say that even now, as in throughout europe, as well as in france, the focus of attention is already shifting from ukraine to the near east, because europe is going through, there is some

fear and concern about the spread of islamic terrorism to the european continent, and so, for example, in paris, 15,000 people took to the streets, and according to the organizers there were 30,000 people, and fortunately there were no clashes, but there were mass arrests, dozens of people were arrested for anti-semitic rhetoric, that is, the situation in society is heating up from within, and actually for a frenchman, for an ordinary frenchman, for a french politician, what is happening in ukraine is somehow distant scary putin, who is well contained by the ukrainian army, is less scary than the same muslim with a knife who can be waiting for him somewhere on the street around the corner, and for example, what can we say about paris, if here in strasbourg, which is one of the capitals of the european union, also, they tried to hold... the demonstration was an official application for the palestinian forces, but the local authorities refused it, fearing for security issues, but nevertheless, several hundred people came out into the streets and here in strasbourg there was already a bit of a massacre,

the french police , even applied silgil gas, there were arrests, that is, the situation in french society is a bit shaky, and the french are afraid of the danger of islamic terrorism, or for example, a very recent example yesterday... right in the center of strasbourg, near the central synagogue, a young man was arrested who came there from with a knife and began to sharpen it against the iron fence, which has now been built for the synagogue. again for security reasons, this person was detained and it turned out that he is not even a palestinian, not an arab, he is a french chechen origin, that is, it can be said that in society there is such a danger, the aggravation of some radical manifestations, and this is very clearly visible in france , the protesters who were in paris, they reproached macron that macron, you do not support the united states of america and in general,

don't go to the middle east, why is macron supposed to visit israel this week and support israel in the confrontation with hamas and those who support this movement in the middle east, tell me how the french think, do they think that this is some kind of war, well closer to them than the war in ukraine, that is, how they perceive this war, what is this war for them, is this war for them, these people who live next to them, who support the palestinians, and who are part of french society, who in any at the moment they can behave, well, let's say, not exactly as the french think, but yes, there is already information that macron will go to israel tomorrow, so we will wait for some new statements from him, and indeed, we can say that for the french, that is, for the french, it is probably

the greatest of all in the entire european union, for the french, an escalation in the middle east means the possibility of an escalation here in france, because next to the french live representatives of many other nationalities , many muslims, a large muslim community, as i said, and therefore for a frenchman, that is a terrorist that is much more dangerous than putin somewhere in ukraine with deadly missiles, and how has the attitude towards what is happening in ukraine changed now. and in general, the aggressive policy of the kremlin, and not only in relation to ukraine, in relation to the whole world, do they perceive him as the same criminal, as we? and it is indisputable, indisputable, that putin is a criminal, that ukraine must be helped and that ukraine must win, this has not changed, despite all the threats from the middle east, after all, europe,

the europeans, and the french and brussels and thank god european officials support us, they are going to help us, of course it will be a little more difficult, because some funds and some weapons may be redirected to the area of ​​the middle east conflict, but nevertheless, ukraine's support remains, that is indisputable. thank you tatyana, it was tatyana vysotska, our correspondent in strasbourg and in the european institutions, thank you for watching us and thank you. that you support us on our youtube and facebook platforms, friends, we are live on the tv channel and also on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on youtube, you can participate in our vote, because we are asking you about whether you follow the events in israel, yes no, or your thoughts, please write in your comments. next , we are in touch, we are re-establishing contact with valery chaly, a politician, diplomat and former ambassador...' of the country in the united

states of america. mr. valeriu, one of the leaders of the republicans in the united states senate , mitch mcconnell, said that china, russia and iran are the new axis of evil in the world, what else did mcconnell say, let's listen. i think the biden administration sent the wrong signal when us troops. out of afghanistan, it was like giving putin the green light to invade ukraine, and we see that iran, the main sponsor of terrorism, is sending drones to russia and supporting hamas, so it's all connected , you can't single out one part and say we're only going to deal with that, we have to respond to the conditions that exist and are a threat to the united states, the iranians are also a threat for us, we are also dealing with this axis of evil: china, russia, iran, because it is

a direct threat to the united states. mr. valeriu, do these words mean that the united states of america is ready to increase its military potential, taking into account the threats, coming from iran, china and russia, simply put, are we facing another arms race, as it once was. but given the threats and challenges facing the united states of america? well, it's already going, that is, it's going now, so to speak. about the obvious things, that is, there was not a sufficient number to lead the soldiers of the 21st century, everyone thought that these would be fifth-generation wars, but here it turns out to be the fourth, and it is necessary to produce rzv, tanks and everything else, but the main

competition will be do not deploy here, the main one competition will take place in space where there is space intelligence data , where there are opportunities that could not be imagined before and there are also opportunities to counter the adversaries, well, for example, to put the entire gps communication of the country there, which will make it impossible for it to simply take military action , therefore, in principle, this race is going on, and cyberspace is going there, if we talk about, for example, the third world war, when many say that the third world war has already begun, well, frankly speaking, not very much... on this side, what there it started that i, for example, i think that, thank god, we do not see full-scale regional wars, our problem is that the russian war is against ukraine, that is, the one-man self-defense of ukraine, unfortunately, so in principle, it is bad for us, but there is no such

deployment on the entire europe of the war, we restrain russia, therefore, in principle, i will not say that the third world war has begun, but here. what is happening in cyberspace is already close to the third world war, because the number of those participating in this war has already exceeded a dozen countries with great capabilities, there are constant attacks, counterattacks, there are constant attempts to increase their capabilities and, let's say, make these weapons very deadly , well, but it will take time, because countermeasures are also being taken, in relation to the nuclear arms race, there will be threats, i just want to remind that even threats to use weapons of mass destruction are also war , that is, it is spelled out, and therefore, if russia continues to threaten, it will obviously also be perceived as provocations to

the outbreak of a world war, but in my opinion russia has no possibility of further actions , in relation to china, everything here is much, much more... more complicated, i will tell you my impression , for some reason it was believed that everything was limited only to the number of troops and equipment. in fact, as russia's war against ukraine revealed, timing is very important , i.e. the timing of conflicts, if it is a conflict even of high intensity, but short, then it is one story, and if it is a conflict lasting for years, as in our case, even in such a uh, hot state, as it is now, it uses all the resources of the state, there is already this gradation of countries, i i will say, maybe not a popular thing, everyone made fun of the fact that russia is the second army of the world, in fact , the rating made by a respected institution

takes into account the territory of the country, the population of the country, many factors that are not purely military, so on. from this point of view, maybe it would be fair, but this ranking does not take into account such things as the consolidation of the nation, motivation in defense against invaders, it does not take into account such things as the education of the main fighters, well, that is, look at who is fighting in our country, we have mobilized people fighting, only they have a higher one education is much more than that in russia, in russia they mobilized styurem, i.e. people ... who were sent to just to hang out, we have people fighting who had experience in their civilian life, and therefore, in principle, these things are not taken into account, but unfortunately, the war kills both of them equally, so uh, i think that if you add all these factors, then in the first

place now in the world is the usa, obviously, uh, ukraine, i won't say more, i think , that maybe china is already in second place in the world, if you add certain factors, and ukraine is obvious should move up a few positions, because few people in the world can do it to field a million motivated fighters who know how to fight and, well, have some of their own, let's say, life experience, so i'm sure that according to these criteria, ukraine is among the ten leading armies at the moment the world, even without having all the numbers, all the weapons that they have. well, why did i take so long to say this? because china. and the usa, the main adversaries, i think that their strength depends on what alliances they

form, the participation of ukraine in the us union is very will strengthen us, and china will obviously weaken, and vice versa, but ukraine cannot sit on the fence, we will have to choose, we have made our choice, it is nato, the european union, the united states, so we now have to see what risks the new situation creates for us , and the fact that mitch mcconnell, the leader of more. in the senate, he uses such strong language, very strong language, joining china to the axis of evil, to be honest, i heard everything in america, the opponents, in the doctrine, they have all these enemies, but be that as it may, the news of evil, i have not heard such a thing before, the first once heard, that's why i, i'll be honest with you i will say that i believe that china can still take another role, i would not speak so harshly now, realizing that china will never be... our strategic partners, as we wrote under yanukovych in some

documents, this is all a delusion, china cannot be our strategic partner, because it has an internal authoritarian regime , not at all democratic like the one in the country, we, the basic things do not coincide with us, whatever pragmatic interests there may be, and we understood this now during the war, therefore , but we have to pay attention to the way it is evaluated in the united states, to me, this situation is much more serious than mitch mcconnell's sword assessment, much more serious than the fact that there are six ships in china that have sailed somewhere, and i would very much like them at the meeting in san- francisco in november, so that, firstly, this meeting would take place, and secondly, that they would still remove the issue , so that china would not give any reason to be evaluated in this way, even in the united states, well, it is possible that such an evaluation was by the recent, recent report of the

united states department of defense on china, regarding nuclear weapons, in this report, it was said that china has armed, in 2030 it may have twice as many nuclear warheads, i.e. now 500 units, and there will be 1000, china is already justifying itself and says that the report the pentagon's statement about more than 1,000 nuclear warheads is biased, they insist that china did not and does not intend to participate in the nuclear arms race, can this be perceived as washington forcing beijing, in principle, to move away from this axis of evil, because this axis there is evil, well, china , we are not in ukraine, we are not there, we are adding up, but we say that it is belarus, russia, syria, the north. korea, and who else is there, iraq, probably, and beijing, we also go there, no, no, we do not articulate that

this is an axis of evil, maybe washington is thus trying to break this axis, which is already somehow working, cooperating with each other, well yes, it seems that, because the midshipman is a very experienced person , he will not say that in principle, he will never say such words, if there is no goal, after all, to correct the situation, so i emphasize once again that china is a beneficiary, a beneficiary, this is what putin is doing now, yes, but up to a certain limit, up to that limits, as long as it does not harm china's national interests in the economic sphere, and it is obvious that it will not be possible to achieve results in all areas at the same time, since the trade turnover in the united states is huge, never, well, exports there are only more than 700 billion, that is,

you will never replace it with russian , well, 200 billion goods with russia, okay, but there is no technology in russia, none, that is why i do not think that it is possible to play such a game, you know, of a good policeman and a bad policeman, but the impression is that the world cannot to live without policemen, and now there will be more competition, how is this all... well, conditionally speaking, roughly speaking, the gendarme of the world, or someone should be a third party judge, someone should be strong, who will resolve the disputes of such countries as russia, there from ukraine, well, not from ukraine, russia against the europeans in fact countries is gone, someone has to hit the hands, and china by the united states ideally, if they would come to a joint decision, but they will not be able to come to a joint decision, because they. the regimes are different, they can only come to a decision, conclude such a pact, as if it were the rules

of existence, and in this regard, the united states will to insist that china does not become... behind its vassals iran or russia, after all, played a greater stabilizing role in the world, and then , if it succeeds, the negotiations will succeed, will be successful, which there is a chance, although small, then micho mcconnell will say after november that now china has left the axis of evil, i do not really hope that the scenario will be exactly like this , maybe it will be like that, we have one more inclusion, mr. valery, from where our colleague iryna is located sampan, it is near tel aviv and we know already, ms. irina, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, and we know that israel has already named the conditions under which it can cancel the offensive on the gaza strip, this is the handover of all prisoners who are in captivity

and the surrender of all hamas militants, the israeli army, as it reacted to it is in israel and in your opinion, will hamas accept these conditions, well, what i heard from military experts, from politicians, and what is heard on television, of course, everyone says the only thing is that hamas is trying to somehow delay the ground operation of israel on the territory of the gaza strip, and there are hostages such a good manipulative excuse to delay this, this offensive a little. and even to cancel altogether, whether he will agree to israel's conditions , i think it is doubtful, because what does it mean to surrender all the fighters of israel, i think that it will not happen, they also need hostages in order to manipulate political circles there , to manipulate world politicians, in order to reach some kind of consensus and save themselves

as much as possible, and now... they are talking about the event, about the news that has become the loudest, it is about the release of 50 hostages, who are now are in the gas, the new york times reported with reference to its sources , but still they are talking about it like this, and that 50 hostages who have dual citizenship will be released, because this also caused an ambiguous reaction in israel, because allegedly that is, no. that is, those who have another citizenship, besides the israeli one, they have some privileges, and therefore experts also say that this allegedly discriminates a little, not a little, but discriminates against those who have only an israeli passport, and good that the countries whose passports

these people have, they have taken care of their people, they are trying to return them, but in israel... they reacted a little negatively to this, that there is a certain selection, and thus hamas wants to send this message that well, these citizens, israeli citizens, they are some kind of second-rate, so that only foreigners will be released. and what do the residents of israel say , what do they say in private conversations that they support a foreign operation, or how do they react to the fact that hamas should be there will destroy because people don't want to live under the constant threat of shelling, and not only from hamas, but also from the north, hezbollah is shelling israel, that is, how, as ordinary israelis, how do they talk about what is happening in their country now? everyone is talking about the fact that, of course , a ground operation is necessary, and in order to destroy