[000:00:00;00] whose passports these people have, they have taken care of their people, they are trying to return them, but in israel they reacted a little negatively to this, that a certain selection is taking place, and thus hamas wants to send such a message that these citizens, israeli citizens, they are second-rate, so that they will only release foreigners, and what do the residents of israel say, what do they say in private conversations that they support a foreign operation, or how do they react to the fact that hamas must be destroyed there, because people don't want to live under constant threat shelling, and not only hamas, but also from the north, hezbollah is shelling israel, that is, how, as ordinary israelis, how do they talk about what is happening in their

country right now? everyone is talking about the fact that, of course, a ground operation is necessary to destroy hamas, it is necessary for the army to finish what it started, this is an unequivocal opinion and there can be no concessions, but now you know, there is already a certain relaxation in society and already and in the political school, because all these two weeks i did not hear sharp criticism of the government, i did not hear sharp critics of the military leadership, now such criticism is already starting, that is why the journalist and the opposition are there, they are already demanding the resignation of netanyahu, and responsibility for the october incident, for missing this moment of the hamas attack, that is, you can compare , i think the listeners know this moment, when society relaxes a little, then there is no such acute tension, and you can already deal with some other questions, you can

ask these questions if, when there is a war, when the country is in a state of such active war, of course no one asked these questions to anyone, what i witnessed all these two weeks, now i already feel that criticism of the authorities and the israel defense forces, or rather its leadership, is beginning, but everyone says that this operation is necessary, because not destroying hamas will still be the same. after a certain period, hamas will gather forces there again and the same thing will happen. thank you, iryna, for the inclusion, it was iryna sampan, our colleague who is in israel, now near tel aviv and is following the unfolding events in the near east. let's return to valery chaly, a politician, diplomat and former

ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america. mr. valery, i wanted to ask you one more thing about the future of the world, what it will look like, but in the context of the report, or the report of the bipartisan commission of the congress, which considered the issue of future development, and in russia, and in china, and in the united states of america , reuters, with reference to an anonymous source, you don't like the press, i know that when something is leaked, it is always problematic to comment, but we are talking about... a global war or participation, a possible conflict, a military conflict , as they say, of the united states of america with russia and with china in 2027, in the period from 27 to 35, and the authors of the report believe that the chinese and russian threats will intensify in 27-35

years, and that is why i am quoting the decision, it is necessary to make a decision now so that the nation is ready, but according to the pace of development that is in china, first of all, because it is clear that russia is now acting, putin is acting as junior partners of xi jinping, but still , on leadership in the world and on how this leadership is it is happening at the expense of what and at the expense of which countries, you have already said how it will all develop, do you believe that the war of the united states of america with china and russia is just not a minute. let me say that i love zmi, i love journalists, if a diplomat or a politician does not like journalists , it will end badly for them, i am talking about something else, i want to see official statements, and not what is in zmi, just like you, well, you said correctly , merge to achieve their goals, because when official, there is responsibility behind it, and this is just probing opinions, and now these reports, they also

do... this is to point to factors that will play a key role in the coming years. i am constantly familiar with the forecasts, uh, let's say, the americans do a very powerful such... intelligence work is all american, plus they have now involved six more countries, analytical centers, they make a forecast there until the 25th year, until the 30th, that is, if you read these forecasts, they are interesting in terms of influencing factors, what will be where to grow, what military forces will appear, where are the hot spots, but they are very inaccurate in timing, i.e. during the attack. when this or that moment comes and, well, they are sometimes very seriously mistaken in terms of the main threats , but they are useful in order to assess the situation, when we are told now that the 27th year, it is very simple, china, he

leader of china set the task of his revolutionary forces there, the army , to be ready for, well, in essence, a regional war by 2027. the opportunity to demonstrate sufficient military power at sea, in the air, on land to control taiwan, yes is perceived, first of all, this does not mean that there will be a war, but it means that such a goal is set, if china does not ensure it by other means, then it will be ready for war, and this is threatening, because when in our world everyone sets his own tasks. he has set his mind and he decides, and his goals are only limited by the balance on the other side , that is, everyone has already forgotten about the world that was recorded after the second world war, the world because of the won statute, the world because of the rules, no one

wants it, the truth is, when the difference begins on war, everyone is shouting, where the rules of war will be approved by international law, that is, there is a lot of such anarchy, why i say that everything has gone astray in the sense that the right of force...' law begins to prevail over force and therefore the risks are increasing and even the closest the decade will at least be a decade of the escalation of the arms race and the increase of power factors, security is at the forefront, so i do not exclude anything, but you said there for the escalation between the usa and russia, well, i don't think so, ukraine, unfortunately, we have become the ones who will have to become, basically i will bury. russia's ambitions to become an authoritarian, such a dictatorial and thuggish country in the world, we will have to fulfill this historic mission in various ways, not only military,

but the clash of china, the united states, or a high level of conflict is something that is not just expected, but that what everyone is preparing for, the only problem is what you are preparing for. it will be fine, that's why, that's why the staunch kissinger is now back in favor and he's being asked again, what should we do about it, and how to find a solution so that it doesn't to exacerbate, all these situations, there is no such solution, first everyone tries their strength, and then when they have measured their strength, they look for a solution, this is approximately how it will be, and for us, i say once again, there is no such thing as measuring strength in ukraine, we have our own regional tasks, we must become members of nato. to avoid the solitary feeling of being in such an unstable, aggravated, threat-ridden world. thank you, mr. valery, for a wonderful conversation, it was valery chaly, politician, diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine to the united states

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become part of the community: with a ukrainian perspective, greetings friends, this is the worldview program on the espresso tv channel, and today we have gathered to talk about a very important topic, the topic of perception the society of war, the theme of the behavior of society during war, why some make every effort either at the front or even in the rear in order to defeat the enemy, and with money and time and work, directly, again, or on the line at the front or in the rear, someone can easily spend money on loud parties, weddings, again, this is not prohibited in the country, now i am not saying that this is a crime, it is not prohibited, weddings, parties, spending one's money, no matter how much you didn't have it, the question is only about the origin of this money, but this is another question, and why can these people calmly do this, absolutely, despite the fact that somewhere very close people are dying, somewhere very close grief, pain, dozens , hundreds of thousands of graves, young men, from enemy strikes in

cities and villages, how it all gets along in one ukraine, how to call this phenomenon, how to explain it, and how to live on, can a society in which weddings and holidays and spending money are uncontrollable for some, and war for others, can it be in the near future to win, because the victory will still be for ukraine, but it is only a question of price and time, we will talk about it today and i have invited guests, first we will have krylo sazuzon, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, a political scientist, then we will talk with a social psychologist for that to again to give an explanation for this phenomenon, it is a common phenomenon for all times and for all soldiers, it has always been like this, someone hangs out in restaurants, someone fights, someone helps those who are fighting, someone makes equipment in factories, well, someone steals money, this is again, it has always been like that, almost always and almost everywhere, well, but in ukraine of course, we want this to not happen, at least to understand what it is, kirill, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you, it has been a long time i don't see, eh, i will immediately ask questions from our colleagues, from my colleagues, regarding the health of the two

of the cats that are there on the front line, one liu, one lytsik, lucifer, and another, and another rem, well, right away. asks us to close this issue, there are four of them, yes, two of them are already coming to eat, to rest, they are going somewhere for the night, and now i saw five of his black and yellow, there are two of us personally, but i think there are already four , all canned food, well , they finished their cat food, i already fed them canned food in the morning, i will announce a collection for food for cats in the evening, because they eat a lot of something. i am arriving, well they are arriving, somewhere there are no people, somewhere, or maybe from the neighboring units for a double portion, you have the best food , well, we started with this little bit , romantic lyrical, let's go now, i 'll ask a question first, you

'll make an introduction like this, and then i'll show one of the three videos, which we have prepared, which shows that the war is not so urgent for everyone now , at least it seems so, but please tell me how your brothers and sisters reacted, i am talking about your unit, it is difficult to talk about everyone there, when they heard here is this information about high-profile weddings and comments people who do not know at all what happened in mariupol, what happened there in azovstal, they are for good and therefore the war does not really interest them in principle, but all these phenomena, how they react to them, calmly, restlessly, misunderstanding is caused in the military, well, it depends on the temperament of... of course, it did not provoke such approving challenges, some react more calmly, who reacts more emotionally, of course, on the one hand, if you look at it calmly in general, well, what are we fighting for, that's why , so that somewhere there would be a peaceful life, just for moreover, the enemy must be stopped near avdiivka,

near bakhmut, so that the people of kyiv can live normally, work, and go to coffee shops. there is logic in this, there is justice in this, but on the other hand, when you collect every day for some mavics, for some pickup trucks, of course there is not enough money, one of the brothers in the hospital, someone on the shield has already returned, and you see that people don't even know what is happening, how long the uzovstal defense lasted, what's next, and the boys are captives, and russian captivity, i'll tell you hell, some of my acquaintances, mostly there from such very zealous right-wingers always carry two grenades with them, precisely so as not to be captured, and when you see how people are walking, pouring millions on a cake, you automatically translate it into pickups, mavics, of course, it's

a little soft speaking is infuriating, on the other hand, it seems to me that these are the people who are now feeling very cool in kyiv, in buch, in lviv, these are people in whom no one fights, who do not fight themselves, did not fight, and what shelling and the toughest situations, well, i'm talking about the kyiv region, experienced somewhere abroad or on western ukraine, that is, they did not see the russian military up close, they lived in expectation that the russians would fly in now, or in half an hour, the russians would come here, and that's why they somehow do not understand that we are somewhere far away, somewhere again, somewhere in the east. is happening, we have our own life here, it seems to me that this is how psychology works, well, i am 100% sure 100% that those people who in kyiv on minsk, or before that the director of some utility company from the second party, set off fireworks at night, that they are not were in kyiv and bucha during or during the occupation

shelling, well, for sure, they hardly saw russian equipment on obolon, which was able to break through on february 25, i will now ask to show it. video, like at a wedding that took place in edem resort in lviv, well, now there are no questions about the institution where it took place, i just indicate the location, that is, people pay money, people rent, people walk, again , this is now it's not a question of institutions , so that someone doesn't think that yes, that means they're not, they 're not bad, well, people, they rent out their territories, squares, someone can celebrate there, there's a wedding it happened, guys, we will talk more actively about it a little later, no, no, it’s not that wedding, well, it’s also where they are now, young guys at all, well, not teenagers, but not quite mature men either, young guys on stage while listening to russian rap, throwing around $100 bills, let's just

look at it. now we will show this, well, this is also from the same wedding video, yes, there is a word called dollars, yes. yes, well, so the guys are throwing table bills at this moment, russian rap is playing, i'll just say it by the way, because now i'm helping the 116th brgadi to the anti-aircraft missile platoon, well, through my facebook, to collect for them an electric bicycle in order to get to enemy positions more inconspicuously, eh, i am collecting money for them there

, as much as my subscribers and friends can, and i know that, say, a mavik costs the same basic 12 00 uah, these are 300 pieces of paper that flew off the stage, how to explain it, again, don't young guys understand, don't know, i 'm not saying that now they need to be served with summonses, they may be students there, well, they don't need a summons, but just er, it causes no unhealthy perception of a large number of people, in a large part of society. how do you explain this phenomenon, why does this happen, why is there such disregard for money, the value of this money, especially during the war, because all this money can save the lives of our soldiers. well, i think that it is necessary to feel sorry, well, i feel very sorry for these guys, they are probably very sick, and who does not believe, that is why they will show a certificate from the vlk, from the military mat, that they are seriously ill and unfit for military service, maybe there will be, and if not to joke, but these are really ukrainians, we

we really live in the same country, we really measure the world by one, one yardstick, well, who are these guys, young people, who are their parents, and why should we protect their carefree life, i have no answer to that, eh, that's it, you know, that's it, i'll just briefly remind our viewers about these people, this is... one of the participants of the parties, when the girls were drunk or something, i don't know what substances they were given until they were half unconscious, then there were certain actions regarding these guys, they detained these guys, and he came out with, well, this one young man, got out of the house after paying 4,002 hryvnia bail, someone stayed there, another one from this group stayed behind... bars, well, now they are celebrating this wedding and throwing money around, and the presenter at this event was a tv actor, comedian

yuri, said that he he didn’t know where he ended up, he said that he would give the money he earned to the armed forces, well, it’s not a question for him anymore, well , at least now, it’s a question for these young people, well, but obviously, the words about the fact that i i didn't know, we didn't understand, people know everything, it's just that sometimes you have to be honest to say, to be honest, that we are walking at the wedding, because avdiyivka doesn't burn us, we don't spoil our mood, but i... the day before yesterday i saw a photo of three lviv residents, young guys who died at the front, they were buried already in lviv, and you know, here your hands just drop, you are not in a good mood, you understand that these people are dying, and today they will die again, and now somewhere it is possible that someone is dying, it is not that you are sad because you are walking , are you thinking about how to raise money for them, you will help a lot there, well, this is just a normal reaction, maybe it is necessary, why is there such a reaction here, maybe, maybe, mr. kyrylo, there is no com...'tion and even from the authorities or those authorities that are responsible for this, so that people, yes, we will now

show a photo of how these participants were arrested, here these are the ones who were partying at the wedding, they were arrested for the online streams that they had with the parties, where they actually did certain actions towards, towards the young, girls, and then they were searched, well, but now they are already there are weddings, maybe people need to talk more about losses in the war, about the price of this war, and then somehow... there will be more from the feedback , and not to pretend that somewhere there is a war, we are on our way to victory, and someone thinks to themselves, everything is fine, why don't i go for a walk, please, i don't know how else to inform them, which one should communication, to take him by the collar, put him in the trunk and take him here and poke him with his nose, what is happening, well, then it may come, but you won't take everyone away, and even then you will receive a criminal case for forcing someone to take someone somewhere, i i don't know, it seems to me that there is a

lot of information that people in our country do not tell about the war, journalists talk about it on social networks, you see on the streets... people in military uniforms, military cars that are easy to recognize even without a white cross by their condition, you see volunteers, well, if people manage to close their eyes even with such an influx of information eyes, not seeing the war and living a cheerful life like that, throwing money from the stage there, having fun somehow, forgetting about the war, well, it seems to me that here you can only reach everyone personally, and only with a fist, we will listen to the comments now on the streets of kyiv about whether people know about the war at all, it's mainly about young people, but to be honest, i didn't expect it, well, i don't think it can be, it turns out it can be, let's listen, you know about the defense of mariupol , nothing, nothing, no, nothing, i don't know, i don't

read the news, why, and i don't like to burden myself. bad news and i'm talking about good, but everything is bad there and i don't want to burden myself with how the defense of mariupol ended, at the moment, no, it was may 20 , 22, and the defense of azovstal, and azovstal, well until now, how to say it, until now, well, i forgot the name of this thing, a test, in short, a power plant, here... they are occupying, i am talking about prozovstal, but about azovstal, you honestly have no idea, i don't know anything mr. kirill, this is your reaction, these are young people, it is possible in the future defenders of ukraine , well, in principle, i don’t want to burden myself, that’s why i don’t watch the news, but how is he not afraid to wake up when some chechen or buryat with

a machine gun will be standing next to him , well, i don't understand, i attribute it to the fact that, apparently, the journalist asked 20 people from three or four of them turned out to be, well, they turned out to be such , they were included in the plot to show this shocking relationship, i believe that it is not massive, of course, but there are such people, well, what, i don’t know, to deprive them of their citizenship, well, there is that's the question, actually people say why should i protect the dodgers and their family and their carefree carefree life, everyone understands that we protect our families, our homes, our country, but why? that's why these people feel so carefree, i don't understand it at all, well, it somehow doesn't fit in my head. we will now watch another video from the wedding of a famous person who became famous with a sign minus a cake for 1000 hryvnias, as someone said that in this cake, if a house were made in it, a family of immigrants could be settled, well, they would feel quite comfortable inside this cake, in the prince

saudi arabia, prince harry, when he married the british, they had much smaller cakes and pastries at the wedding, we'll just see the scope and scale of this revelry, let's take a look. this happened just when the actual, well, active offensive actions began the enemy, the enemy in avdiivka, here, well, actually, this, it is the same as it was there and here, it is simply already such a phenomenon, and this is again

only, only what we see, ban similar, mass ... such entertainment events, promotions, well, you want to get married, you have a lot of love, thank god, please make friends modestly, then one day go for a walk after the war, no matter how simple, because you know, it demotivates, it is surprising, and i i think that military personnel who risk their lives every day, well, this raises questions that, unfortunately, have no answers, it is possible to simply introduce some strict rules in a warring country, well, you immediately treat people unfairly, because how can you compare some saudi prince? arabia or the prosecutor of the pechersk district and an employee of the dbbr and their parents probably don't work somewhere at a boring company either, it's a lot, i actually look, try to give my emotions a run, and think what a rich country we really have, if our officials live from generation to generation generations, new ones appear and also very quickly become so rich,

in fact a very rich country very powerful.