[000:00:00;00] events, promotions, well, you want to get married, you have a lot of love, thank god, please be friends modestly, then one day go for a walk after the war, just like that, well, you know, it demotivates, it is surprising, and i think that the military , who risk their lives every day, well, this raises questions to which, unfortunately, there is no answer, it is possible to simply introduce some strict rules in a warring country, well, you immediately treat people unfairly, because how can you compare some prince of saudi arabia or the prosecutor of pecherskyi . of the district and an employee of the dbbr, and their parents probably don’t work in some boring enterprise either, it’s a lot, i actually look, i try to let my emotions go and i think what a rich country we really have, if our officials live from generation to generation, with there are new ones and they are also getting rich very quickly, in fact there is a lot of country,

a very powerful economy, very large resources. how would we get rid of this system, which for 30 years allows to get rich not those who work, not the state, not individual people, but precisely those who control, supervise by ensuring that the law is implemented, fighting corruption, including how to break this system, and then we, well, it will really turn out that we are a very rich country, and germans and poles come to ask us how to get ukrainian citizenship as immigrants, i only, they mentioned the germans and the poles, i will just say that in the second quarter of this year, ukrainians spent consumer goods in poland , plus or minus half a billion, half a billion, of these dollars, there are 14 billion zlotys, well, there is a large amount, a large the amount was spent, not half a billion hryvnias, or a billion zlotys, well

that's about it, the germans were in the first place with... expenses, and the ukrainians in poland were in the second place in terms of expenses from foreigners, all that there are opportunities and the desire to spend money, but at the same time , that there are such people, there are people who don't care at all, there are people who attack a military man in kyiv with a knife, as it happened in a botanic, in my opinion, garden, because, if i'm not mistaken, there are different , different people, but somehow you have to try to sew this society together, you know how it is, girls giving temper divides the ruler, this is a maxim since the days of the roman empire, julius caesar, it can be used by the enemy very effectively, well, it can be used even now, so again, we are not spreading treason here now, that some are bad, others are good, this is such a society, it is all together like this, with different things, but it is still necessary to try to sew it together and convey the understanding of war to other people, so that they behave at least a little more calmly, maybe at least a little and a little differently treat both soldiers and war and to his own

participation in this war, that without them there will be no victory, but without them, well, there will be no victory, please, i understand your aspiration is a little idealistic, a little like that, with sympathy for people, let's sew society together, yes, of course, this is a very noble goal, well, the goal is so cool, but if you look at it from the other side, when you have oncology, it is not sewn up, it is cut off, i don’t quite understand why the guy who is fighting here next to me is also young, he is 22 years old, he got bohdanovka near bakhmut was hit by shelling, the projectile flew into ours the dugout of the dksp, 2,300 wounded, he is a little so dazed, and here is such a thin man, he pulled out, pulled out the boch, and they were taken from the evacuation point, taken out, already further to us to kanstahi, they were taken there, and after the war , these guys who survived someone, someone has lost limbs, someone is simply injured, someone is contused, we are all a little confused now

. than in normal people, why do these people who are freezing now, the eyes of a concern bank eat something, something, well, they went through everything, protected the country, lost friends, brothers, why will they be the same citizens as these, who does not want to burden himself, about razovstal , honestly, i am not aware, everyone who goes to weddings and weddings, parties, will they really enjoy equal rights in the country, well, it is not entirely clear. you said very wise words, kirill, i won't even add anything else, i thank you, first of all, for being there, and to all your brothers and sisters, you convey a big greeting, thanks and congratulations from all of ukraine, i don't know who is there , how, i, through myself, through myself will say, thank you for your comments, take care of yourself, and i believe that, i believe that we will try to do differently, or to teach society differently, differently, that's how

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repeat at 12:10 p.m., some are fighting, others are helping the front, they can, but some simply do not notice the war , and continue to spend money on the purchase of expensive things, parties, fun events, well, someone even earned this money dishonestly and unfairly, well, but this is already a matter for law enforcement agencies, we are talking about it now in the worldview program and we are adding to, we are adding to the conversation vadym vasvitinsky, a social psychologist, mr. vadim, i congratulate you, good health, i think you have seen this video, we will now show it in the course of our conversation, videos of loud celebrations and weddings, especially , that this is not just a wedding, these are people, well, in one story there are people who occupied state offices. positions and won huge money for holding such events, well, but in any case, it stirred up society and caused loud disputes, discussions and scandals, some say that they they have the right, their money, they have weddings, let them have fun, well, what about the fact that there is a war, so why shouldn't people get married, and this is all not

done by such people, peshonts, others say that, well , how can it be like this, when someone dies, somewhere, the mother received a funeral letter about her son , did she call that her son is no longer there, or that her husband is no longer there, here it is, how is it used in one society, what would you give a diagnosis? in short, because, how to call it all, this is the society in time of war , at all, please, well, society in time of war, i don’t know what to call what you say, phenomena, therefore phenomena. in our ukrainian society, you know, well, there is such a fashionable word zashkvar, probably something, something, something around this term is definitely not scientific, but you know why this one, you asked me if i, well , say what i must have seen, i i didn't specifically look for this recording, of course, but it came out from all sides, because it really affected, affected the citizens, society, and even if not, you also join in this, because actually, really, all these shots, they are normal.

a person is shocked, i think that the problem of these, yes would like mothers, hosts, brides and so on, in the fact that, uh, this is theirs, well, such a colorful wedding, let's say this, it affected three, as many as three such painful points of our society, three, the first is such a request, na na social equality, well, it’s a question of, you know, there are rich people, there are poor people, eh, the poor hate the rich, there’s class hatred, it’s very... well , the soviet authorities knew how to fan it back then, we still have such a post-soviet thing, but in the end , it is eternal, it exists all over the world, and it is also very relevant in our country, because it is big part, there are not very many of us in society and a large part of people who are so poor are convinced that their troubles are due to the fact that life, government, neighbors and so on treated them unfairly, the second second, the second question, this is exactly what you are talking about they said, this is such a request for social justice, there is a government

that must establish this justice, and here just a few hundred representatives of the same government, precisely this, well, law enforcement part of the government, were having such a good time, and here this means class hatred for simply many, she is like that hatred for corruption, for greedy people, representatives of the government, at the same time, you understand, people are not even guided by whether those who were walking there are real, or they really cheated, it does not matter, there is just a deep conviction, they cheated, they deceived us, we were robbed, and they must , they must be punished, and the third thing, actually, probably the most relevant, whether it is really possible to organize these boisterous revelries in such a period, is what affected me personally, because if to the previous two points i feel a little calmer, because i understand what it means a much wider aspect, then this, this is such a party, such a mass ... representatives of the authorities, the authorities, when around, well, it is clear that

one should get married, for health, it should be done, but really it should be done in such a way that land and for everyone to see it, and here is actually the other side of the matter, this kind of unsatisfied purity , the wealthy, the rich, etc., who don't just, not just have, they have something to do, they have something, well, something, something to show off, so what are they in fact, they need to show off, that is, they need... to be noticed, this is a rather primitive type emotion, primitive need, deep down its complex, dissatisfied complex, of such inferiority, it is, if not by 100, then by 99%, and i think that the initiators, hosts of this party are very grateful to those who went there, i would highly recommend contacting to a psychologist, although, although you know, if they turn, then they will become less happy, if they are now happy with this, with this complex of theirs and with this behavior, then maybe it is not necessary. to the psychologist, that's roughly how i commented,

well, we also had comments, i'll be brief i will voice them, so as not to repeat, where the guys were asked on the streets of kyiv, young guys, what they knew about the defense of azovstal, the defense of mariupol, what happened there, they were not aware of one or the other, one just wants to live in good, his are interested in the news, well, the other just doesn't know, he doesn't care, this , this again, this is selectiveness, then i'm not saying that everyone is like that, so it's a sample, but it shows that it is like that, and here it arises , you know, there are very good words in the bible in the epistle to rome, if i am not mistaken cry with those who cry and laugh with those who laugh, this is a normal reaction , a normal understanding of how society behaves in times of war, especially when one is in pain and suffering, whether at the front or for relatives, those who are at the front, or who died, who were crippled, you want someone else to take this weight on themselves, and when you saw, you carry this weight yourself, or a few of your friends, and others simply do not notice you, this weight becomes more difficult, how to motivate society so that, after all, the weight of the war is distributed approximately

evenly on the shoulders and backs of everyone, then maybe it will be easier for others, or whether it will not be possible to do it, it will not be possible to do it, no, no, it is a certain kind of like saying, well, an illusion that we would very much like to have, actually, this is the need for equality, so that everyone makes their contribution , so, well, not exactly the same, because people have different, different opportunities, different different strengths, but in proportion to their opportunities, so that everyone makes this contribution, this has never happened and will never happen, well, we have a part. who protect us, we have a large majority, the vast majority of society, who support them, so you can't say that society has become indifferent, that nobody cares about anything , it's not true, and when this is this video, well, it's quite manipulative and not very smart, because in fact, i believe statistical data, so if ask a large, sufficiently large sample, then it becomes clear, most people are preoccupied with the war, worry, well, there are data that about a third of our citizens

do not help, do not donate anything and so on, just worry, let's say so, but 23 takes, takes more or less. active participation, so somewhere, i think that there is a fairly stable picture somewhere, two-thirds of the society is involved, if we want even more , it is unlikely that it will be possible if we apply some such forcefully, well, they do not work, on a large scale, we can force there are tens, hundreds of people, a thousand, but we will not force a few million people to do something there, so i think that it is necessary to treat it more restrained, calmer, to understand that there will always be people, first of all, we have... it remains a few percent of people are pro-russian, like us we will force them to worry, they are already worried, then it is against us, let's say this, there are people who are just afraid, there are people who are weak, they don't want to hear about it, and it's better to bury your head in the sand, as i, as a psychologist, understand

, that a person has the right to be afraid, a person has the right to be weak, a person has the right to flee somewhere, you see, that's why i don't condemn them when it comes to the scale of society, it's a shame that not everyone rushed to defend the homeland, but we assume that there is, now that we think, well, a few weeks already about israel, a lot a lot of information and a lot is shown about how they heroically defend their homeland, i am sure that there are also people who do not do this, who are afraid, who are hiding, you can talk, argue about the proportions, where is more, where is less, maybe there is a difference, but in general this is the case with us and with them, so i treated it like this, well, a little more calmly, here it is necessary to talk about it, but not without inflating it... some kind of hysteria around it, you know, according to the statistics of this year , it is a bit like that, well, it is indicative that a record number was bought in ukraine this year cars, class, well, bmw brand cars, they are new, they are not cheap, not a cheap line of german cars, this simply shows the opportunities that have appeared in

many people, well, about the decomposition of 30% of the humanitarian aid of the military that entered ukraine, about the possibilities that appeared again in some people, and about that. that these people want to spend money not just like that, but in such a way that it is demonstrative and qualitative , these are also the facts that exist, this is not about a wedding, this is about the fact that someone continues to steal, again during the war, that's fine hardly a mass phenomenon, but it is, but it exists, and here please explain to me the psychology of these people, these are people who do not have empathy, these are people who are completely cynical, these are people who do not feel other people's pain, i would like maybe somewhere not to feel for my psychological health, because my nerves are already giving out a little, and my heart is, so to speak, i can't help but react, well, there is a leader, and maybe there are just people who don't have this empathy, and you don't you will reach, you will not report, he will steal ammunition, realizing that somewhere there, without this ammunition, a boy or a girl will die or a woman at the front, and he doesn’t care at all, well, maybe there are such people, please explain from the point of view of a specialist, well

, there definitely are such people, you understand what the matter is, i am at least a little bit from society, always in any such broad social phenomena for... will be found in particular and fraudsters, it always, never happens that everyone acts honestly, it does not happen like that, a certain percentage of them will always be found, what you said, let's say he stole and because of him somewhere indirectly someone died , you see, if it was right here, here he is took it and immediately a person died because of it in front of his eyes, many, well, most would have been deterred by it, but he easily justifies himself by what, well, by what, well, that, well, it’s not my direct fault here, well, i’m a little to myself took so someone will take it there, and someone will not take it, and all the same, society, the state exist there, function and so on, these people easily find excuses for themselves, that is, if they are not so directly guilty of something that is obvious to them , that they are not, then that, then they they do not feel feelings

guilt, and here i would say, a little more important is not the empathy itself, although perhaps yes, it matters, but more how a person is inclined. is to feel guilt and responsibility, one's personal guilt, one's personal responsibility for what is happening around her, and if people are somewhere there , well, both military and civilians, on the so-called front line, they are directly involved in these events and their behavior, well shows very, very, very clearly, it is useful, harmful , etc., then people are further behind, they behave, well, we cannot, even when we are very we are worried about ukraine, we cannot just do what is going on. why not sing the anthem, no, you have to act, if you are worried about something, you have to act so that, well, exactly, just like that, but act, how to act like, well, let’s say, i can say, yes, i am a patriot of ukraine, i perform my duties, i regularly transfer some funds there, but i work with students , perform, do scientific research, well , what else can i do, i don't know how to shoot, if

i, if they take me, they won't take me , maybe unfortunately, if i, if they took me, i probably wouldn't refuse, no i would hide and try to learn to do something, although i do not think that it would be much, if it would be of much use to me, but i am already justifying myself, if it would be of much use to me, and this is what many people do, especially men, so , that i am a peaceful person, i don't know how to shoot, i have never... done this, i have a big family and so on, that is, people find arguments to justify themselves, and as a psychologist, i also understand this, but, you find arguments to justify yourself, please, within those limits, where you don't take risks, try to do it everything that depends on you, that is, at a minimum, earn money and this money and share it with sinners, generally develop the economy, provide for those around you, provide for your own family and so on, that is, these things are quite obvious, but there are people, this is actually... well, maybe the essence of this question that you are talking about, each of us has a so-called hierarchy of motives, what is most valuable for us, and here are people

for whom the opportunity, the very desire to earn, and to earn in any way, there is an opportunity for people literally in the first place, and therefore, when something passes them by, they too can steal, they cannot but steal, there are not many such people, but there are such people at all levels, in politics, in customs, among journalists, among psychologists, among the military, unfortunately, among eh, my god, the word got out, well everyone in all spheres, in all spheres of our life, there are such people, and we, and those who, who, who do not have such a dominant need, we are then surprised, i could be stolen like that, but for this person it is not a problem choice, for her the only problem is to do it so that it will not be found out, that 's all, and before her conscience, she as the rule is clean, and it's easy, it's easy to justify yourself, does anyone write? in the comments to our broadcast on youtube, to be honest, before the maidan i was also a part of this population , after the 13th year my consciousness changed, well , after the beginning of the revolution of dignity, i

mean, it changed in someone in the 22nd year, no one has changed and still, we have literally six minutes to go, i would like to use the opportunity that i am talking with a psychologist to ask, now my acquaintances, some colleagues write that they feel exhaustion, fatigue, are looking for strength and something they do it automatically, because people, well, consciousness is controlled by adults. yes, but many people do not feel emotions, do not see where to move, well, that is, there is a certain, there is a certain state of society, plus or minus, yes, for almost, almost, almost two years of war, how would you assess the current state society and it is possible, what should be done, how should we act, in order to give ourselves more resources to continue, well, because we have to continue, here, as they say, the train is speeding, the train is speeding along the rails, and here it is impossible, because to get off these rails, it just, just crash we must reach this dream victory, please. well, look, this question you ask me is still not a question for a psychologist, because i cannot give advice for

society. psychologists are, for a person, a specific person, and for a person, psychologists are individual counselors, i can tell you about that, but people are very different, very different, there are people, for example, who, on the contrary, benefit a little, a little bit from reducing some of their activity, because they burn out, yes, there are people who, well, there are, i would say so, there are two, maybe three more or less universal tips. the first of them is, well, actually, when you already feel such an excess of all these impressions from all this, look for such a rest, respite, look for some such niche for yourself, where you can move away from it a little, how far to move away, this already the norm, the individual norm for everyone, this is what we are talking about, some people get tired, afraid, scared and no longer have the strength, for those, but the second, second way is if you do not have a real, very right- wing activity, that you are there, for example,

benefiting society, the environment, etc., just think about the people around you, help one, two, three people who are around you, help today , in a week, someone every day, someone once a month, at least people who do something themselves do not wait for help from someone, but themselves provide this help, they always win emotionally in such situations. they feel more confident, it gives them some kind of self-esteem boost, it gives them some kind of drive, that's it. well, probably the third is also, since we live in the information space, we need to choose such adequate approaches for itself means of finding information, and a lot of people suffer because of the fact that the information actually comes from everywhere, terribly contradictory, terribly changeable, then this, then this, then this. choose one source, two at the most and focus on them, the ones in which you at least feel some trust, the ones that have not let you down there in the last months,

let's say, because if you grab everything... then it just leads to some such a nervous shock, to an emotional breakdown and so on, and very briefly at the end, tell me please, if you monitor the reaction to such events, well, loud parties, spending money, maybe, well, i don't know how they were earned, but obviously there are questions, but still, society for the most part reacted in such a way that it was not is it possible to say that ukrainian society then looks healthy, that actually publicly it is global after all. such behavior was not approved, i am not saying condemned, we have no right to condemn anyone, we, we are not, not the court and not god, but disapproved, does this once again prove that after all, ukrainian society in this situation, it remains healthy and adequate to the war and the time in which it now lives, so you can say, well, there is such a term , but in social sciences, a healthy society, a sick society, it is clear that there are no absolutely healthy and absolutely sick

societies, they are all different , i... would say that our society, at least for the last 10-20 years, even despite all kinds of political changes, etc., society, in general, ours is quite healthy, we have, well, we had, now maybe a little less, but there were also big ones, well, political, political ones opposition, in society, but refrained, that is, it is absolutely obvious that if it were not for russia's intervention, we would have preserved this social peace, despite the fact that we have significant... such contradictions between each other and that that our and our reaction, the reaction of our society to this same war, it is also, in my opinion, also healthy , the situation itself is very traumatizing, that is understandable, but it is the trauma of a healthy person, and therefore in this case, in this understanding, i i think highly of our society. thank you very much for your professional comments, vadym vasyutynskyi,

sociopsychologist, was in touch with us and we talked about this phenomenon, why some fight and others walk, thank you, mr. vadim, we say goodbye to our guest, well, we literally have a couple of minutes left, here again, i heard the words that i wanted to hear about the fact that our society is generally healthy, nothing is perfect, in fact, you know, in any war there is always someone somewhere in restaurants, in any famine, someone somewhere eats red caviar, for strong walls, and someone dies, someone is even sent to death the commander, and the commander stays behind. this, this is life, and i think that ukrainian society, the key moment that it has reached now during these two years of war, that it has become much more mature and simply understands the reality, the reality that there are such people, there are other people, there is a sailor , who blew up, a jumper who blew up the bridge with himself, tried to stop the enemy on the way to ginichivsk, there were heroes who

stopped the enemy armada on one tank, leaving time for their friends to retreat, yes. yes, there is a pensioner who fired at the enemy column in buchi, gave time and then he signaled the artillery, in fact, it burned this column and saved possibly many people, then, then there was someone who surrendered to the enemy ukrainian positions, ukrainian soldiers, or ukrainian patriots in the occupied territory, there are different people, but the most important thing is that we understand , that there is such a reality and in this reality we become those who must win, we become a nation of winners , in spite of everything we... understand, see mistakes, accept, do not accept, but we go and form into a nation of winners, i believe that we will be formed into it finally, our enemy will be formed into a nation of losers and losers. thank you for being with us, it was a worldview program, i 'm vasyl zama, i say goodbye to you until the evening, to the big ether, and now stay with

espresso, because there is still a lot of interesting things ahead. it's 2 p.m. in ukraine, a news broadcast on the espresso tv channel, in the studio of iryna koval, is for your attention, so i congratulate all viewers. full fire control over the temporarily occupied crimea and adjacent water areas is a matter of time. this was stated by volodymyr zelenskyi under the time of the online speech at the second parliamentary summit of the international crimean platform. the event continues in the czech republic. the president emphasized that there is no security base for terrorists in crimea. the russian fleet is gradually fleeing the peninsula, and the russians will no longer be able