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the front or they can, and some simply do not notice the war and continue to spend money on the purchase of expensive things, parties, fun events, well, someone even more so earned this money dishonestly and unfairly, well, this is already a question for law enforcement agencies, about that now we are talking in the worldview program and we are adding to the conversation vadim vasyutynskyi, a social psychologist, mr. vadim, i congratulate you, good health, i think you have seen this video, we will now show it, in the course of our conversation, a video from loud. .. celebrations and weddings, especially since this is not just a wedding, these are people, well, in one story there, people who held public positions and earned huge money for holding such events, well, but in any case, it stirred society and caused heated arguments, discussions, scandals, alone they say that they have the right to their money, they have a wedding, let them have a good time, well, what's wrong with the fact that the war is like that, why don't people get married and do all this nonsense, others say that, well, how can it be when someone dies

, somewhere, otra's mother... a funeral letter about her son, did they call that the son is no longer there, or that the husband is no longer there, and here it is, that's how it gets along in one society, what would you give a diagnosis, in short, because, as it name everything, this is the society during the war, absolutely, please, the society during the war, then i don't know how to call what you are saying, such phenomena, such phenomena in our ukrainian society, you know, well, there is such a fashionable word zashkvar, probably something something, something around this term is not scientific, conventionally, but you know why this , you asked me if i should say that i must have seen, i didn't specifically look for this record, of course, but it came out from all sides, because it really affected, affected citizens, society and wants not even if you too i'm joining in, because actually all these shots are normal people are shocking, i think that the problem of these ladies, hosts, brides and so on , is that, uh, this is their, well, such a colorful wedding,

let's say this, it touched as many as three, as many as three such painful points of our society, three, the first one is a request for social equality, well, it is a request for, you know, there are rich people and poor people, the poor hate the rich, there is class hatred, this is very good, the soviet government knew how to fan it back then, we still have such a post-soviet, but in the end, it is eternal, it exists all over the world, and it is also very relevant here. because it is big part of us is not a very rich society, and a large part of such poor people is convinced that their troubles are due to the fact that life, government, neighbors, etc. treated them unfairly. the second, second, second question, this is actually also what you said about, this is such a question about social justice, there is a government that must establish this justice, and here are just a few hundred representatives of the same government, that is, the law enforcement part of the government

they had such a good time, and here she is, that means class hatred for the simply rich, she so much hatred for corrupt people, for greedy representatives of the government, at the same time, you understand, people are not even guided by whether the people who were walking there are real, or they really cheated, it does not matter, there is just a deep conviction, they cheated, they deceived us , we were robbed, and it is necessary, they must be punished, well, and the third, in fact, probably the most relevant thing, whether it is really possible to organize these boisterous revelries in such a period, is what affected me personally, because if up to the previous two i points, i bet, well a little calmer, because i understand that this has a much wider aspect, then this, this is really such a party, such a massive party of representatives of the authorities, the authorities, when around, well , it is clear that one must marry for health, one must do it, but whether in fact, it is necessary to do... so that the earth moves

, so that everyone can see it, and here is actually the other side, the side of the matter, this kind of unsatisfied purity, the wealthy, the rich, etc., who not only, not simply... have, have something to do, have something, well, something to show off, so that they actually need to show off, that is, they it needs to be noticed, it is a rather primitive such emotion, a primitive need, deep down it is a complex, a dissatisfied complex , of such inferiority, it is, if not by 100, then by 99%, and i think that the initiators, hosts of this party and very i would highly recommend many of those who have gone there to see a psychologist, although... although you know, if they do, then, then, they will become less happy, if they are happy now with this, with this complex of theirs with this behavior, then maybe you don't need to go to a psychologist, that's it approximately i commented, and we also had comments, i will voice them briefly so as not to repeat, where the boys were asked on the streets

of kyiv, young boys, what they know about the defense of azovstal, the defense of mariupol, what happened there, they are not aware there were neither one nor the other, one just wants to live in the good, he is not interested in the news, but the other simply does not know , he does not care, this, this again, this is selective, then i do not say that everyone is like that, this is it's a sample, but it shows that it 's there, and that's where it comes from, you know, there's a lot in the bible good words, in my opinion, in the letter to the romans, if i am not mistaken, that weep with those who weep and laugh with those who laugh, this is a normal reaction, a normal understanding of how society behaves in times of war, especially that when one is in pain and it is difficult, whether at the front, or for the relatives of those who are at the front, or who died, who was crippled, you want someone else to take this weight on yourself, and when you saw, you this weight becomes heavier, as a society motivate, so that the weight of the war is distributed evenly, roughly evenly on everyone's shoulders and backs, then maybe it will be easier for others, or whether it won't be possible to do it, it won't be possible to do it, no, no, it's a certain kind of like saying, well, an illusion,

which we would very much like, that actually this is the need equality, so that everyone makes their contribution, it means, well, not exactly the same, because people have different different possible. all different different forces, but in proportion to their capabilities , so that everyone makes this contribution, this has never happened and will never happen, well, we have a part of heroes who protect us, we have a large majority, the vast majority of society, who support, so you can't say that society is very indifferent, that no one does anything, it's not true, and when this one, this video, well, it's quite manipulative and not very intelligent, because in fact, i believe.. statistical data, so if you survey a large, sufficiently large sample, then it becomes clear, the majority of people are preoccupied with the war, are worried, well, there are data that about a third of our citizens do not help, do not donate anything, and so on. they are just worried, let's say so, but 2/3 takes, takes

more or less active participation, so somewhere i think, somewhere a fairly stable picture, two-thirds of society is involved, if we want even more, it is unlikely to be successful. if we use such coercive measures, well, they do not work, on a large scale, we can force a dozen, a hundred people, a thousand, but we will not force a few million to do something there, so i think that this should be treated more restrained, calmer, to understand that there will always be people, first of all, we still have a few percent of pro-russian people like us we will make them worry, if they worry, then it is against us, let's put it this way, people who are simply afraid, there are people who are weak, they do not want to hear about it, and it is better to bury their heads in the sand, as i understand as a psychologist, that a person has the right to be afraid, a person has the right to be weak, a person has the right to run away somewhere, you see, that's why i don't condemn them when it comes to the scale of society, it's a shame that not everyone

rushed to defend the homeland, but we proceed from what is , now that we have been talking about israel for a few weeks now, many many information and show a lot about how not to heroically defend your homeland, i am sure that there are people who do not do this, who are afraid, who are hiding, you can talk, argue about the proportions, where is more, where is less, maybe there is difference, but in general this is the case with us and with them, so i treated it like this, well, a little more calmly, we need to talk about it here, but not without inflating some kind of hysteria around it, you know, according to the statistics of this year, it is a bit like that , well, it is indicative that this year... a record number of cars was bought in ukraine class, well, bmw brand cars, they are new, they are not cheap, not a cheap line of german cars, this simply shows the opportunities that have appeared in many people, well , the decomposition of 30% of the humanitarian aid of the military that

entered ukraine, the opportunities , which appeared again among some people, and that these people want to spend money not just like that, but in such a way that it is demonstrative and qualitative, these are also facts that exist, this is not about wedding, and here now about the fact that someone is about to steal again during wars, this is hardly a mass phenomenon, but it is, but it exists, and here please explain to me the psychology of these people, these are people who do not have empathy, these are people who are completely cynical, these are people who do not... feel someone else's pain, i would like maybe somewhere not to feel it for my psychological health, because my nerves are already giving out a little and my heart is betraying me, so to speak, but i can't help but react, well, there is a leader, and maybe there are just people who, well, don't have this empathy, and you won't reach them, you won't tell them, he will steal ammunition, realizing that somewhere there, without this ammunition, a boy or a girl or a woman will die at the front, and he does not care at all, well, maybe there are such people, please explain from the point of view of a specialist, well , there are definitely such people, you understand how it is, i am a little from society,

always in any such - a wide social phenomenon, there will always be, in particular, fraudsters, always, it never happens that everyone acts honestly, it doesn't happen like that, a certain percentage of them will always be found, what you said, let's say, he stole and through him somewhere indirectly someone died, you know, if it was right here, he took it and here already a person died because of it in front of him, many, well more... he would have stopped it, but he easily justifies himself with, well, what it's the same, it's the same, it's not my direct fault, well, i took a little for myself, yes, someone else will take it there, and someone won't take it, and all the same, there society, the state exist, function and so on, these people easily find an excuse for themselves, that is, if they are not so directly guilty of something, for them it is obvious that they are not, then, then, they, they do not feel guilty, and here i would say. a little more important is not empathy itself, although it probably does, it matters, but more

how much a person is inclined to feel guilt and responsibility, his personal guilt, his personal responsibility for what is happening around him, and if people somewhere out there yes, military and civilians, on the so-called front, they are directly involved in these events and their behavior very, very clearly shows that it is useful, harmful etc. then the people are further in the rear, they behave, well, we can’t, even when we are very worried about ukraine, we can’t only do what to walk, there, what to sing the national anthem, no, well, you have to act, if you are worried about something , it is necessary to act in order to, well, exactly, exactly like that, but to act, to act as, well, let's say, i can say, yes, i am a patriot of ukraine, i fulfill my duties, i regularly transfer some funds there, but i, well, work with students, performing, doing scientific research, well, what else can i do, shoot? i can't, if

if they take me, they won’t take me anymore, maybe unfortunately, if i, if they took me, i probably wouldn’t refuse, i wouldn’t hide and i would try to learn to do something, although i don’t think it would be much, or much there is no use for me, i am already justifying myself, would there be much use for me, and so do many people, in particular men, so that i am a peaceful person, i do not know how to shoot, i have never done this, i have a large family and so on, that is, people find arguments to justify themselves, and i, as a psychologist, also understand this, but... you find arguments to justify yourself, please, within those limits , where you don't take risks, try to do everything that depends on you, that is, at least earn money and this money and share these sins, generally develop the economy, provide those around you, to provide for your own family and so on, that is, these things are quite obvious, but there are people, this is actually, well, maybe the essence of this question that you are talking about, each of us has a so-called hierarchy of motives, what is most valuable to us, and here are the people for whom the opportunity is.

the very desire to earn, and to earn in any way, there are people who pursue the opportunity literally in the first place, and therefore, when something passes them by and they can steal, then they cannot help but steal, there are not many such people, but such people are there are such people at all levels, in politics, at customs, among journalists, among psychologists, among the military, unfortunately, among e. and we, and those who do not have such a dominant need, we then wonder how it is possible to steal was, but for this person, it is not a problem of choice, for her it is only a problem to do it so that it will not be found out, that's all, and before her conscience, she is usually clean, and it is easy, easy to justify herself, someone writes in the comments to our broadcast on youtube , to be honest, before the maidan i was also a part of this population, after the 13th year my consciousness changed, well, after the beginning of the revolution, decently. i mean, it changed for someone in the 22nd year, for someone it hasn't changed until now, we have literally six

minutes to the end, i would like to use the opportunity that i am talking to a psychologist to ask, now my acquaintances, some of my colleagues are writing about feeling exhausted, that is, they are looking for strength in themselves and doing something on the machine, because people, well, consciousness she leads adults, yes, but many people do not feel emotions, do not see where to move , well, that is, there is a certain, there is a certain state of society plus or minus, so for almost already... soon, almost two years of war, like would you assess the current state of society and perhaps what should be done, how should we act in order to give ourselves more resources to continue, well, because we have to continue, here, as they say, whose train is... rushing along the rails, and here it is impossible, because to get off these rails is only to crash, we have reach this dream victory, please, well, look, this question you ask me is still not a question for a psychologist, because i cannot give advice for society, psychologists are for a person, a specific person, but for of a person, psychologists, counselors are individual, i can tell you about that, and

people are very different, very different, there are people, for example, for whom it is useful to reduce a little, a little. some kind of activity of their own, because they burn out, yes, there are people who, well, there are, i would say so, there are two, maybe three more or less universal tips, the first of them is, well, actually, when you already feel such the excess of all these impressions from all this, look for yourself such a rest, respite, look for yourself some such niche where you can move away from it a little, how far to move away, how far is the norm, the individual norm for everyone, this what we are talking about, part of the people in that... are afraid, scared and no longer have the strength, for those, but the second, the second way is if you don't have a real very bright activity that you are there, for example , benefit society, etc., just think about the people around you, help one, two, three people around you, help today

, a week from now, someone every day, someone once a month, at least people who themselves do something... , do not wait for help from someone, but provide this help themselves, they are in such situations always win emotionally, they feel more confident, it gives them some kind of increased self-esteem, gives them some kind of strength , that's it, well, and probably the third - it's also because we live in the information space, we need to choose such adequate means of information search that are suitable for us , and a lot of people suffer. due to the fact that the information actually comes from everywhere, terribly contradictory, terribly changeable , so-and-so, so-and-so, so-and-so, choose one source, two at most, and focus on them, the ones to which you at least feel some kind of trust, which did not let you down there during the last months, let's say this, because if you grab everything, then it just leads to

some kind of nervous shock, to an emotional breakdown and so on, well, and very briefly at the end, please tell me, if... to monitor the reaction to such events , well, loud parties, spending money, maybe, well, i don't know how they were earned, but obviously there are questions, but after all, the majority of society reacted in such a way that this is not possible, can we say that the ukrainian society then it looks healthy that actually publicly, after all, globally, such behavior was not approved, i do not say condemned, we have no right to condemn anyone, we are not a court and not a god, but no... does this again prove that everything - does the ukrainian society in this situation remain healthy and adequate to the war and the time in which it now lives? yes , you can say that, well, there is such a term in the social sciences, a healthy society, a sick society, it is clear that there are no absolutely healthy and absolutely sick societies, all they are different, i would say that our society,

at least for the last 10-20 years, even despite all kinds of political changes there. that our society is generally quite healthy, we have, well, we had, maybe a little less now , but we did have such big, well, political, political confrontations in society, but we refrained, that is, it is absolutely obvious that if it were not for the intervention of russia, then we would, we would preserve this social peace, despite the fact that we have significant such contradictions between each other, and that ours, and our reaction, the reaction of our society to this same war, it is also healthy in my opinion, the situation itself is very traumatizing, that's understandable, but it is traumatizing, well, a healthy person, and that's why i, in this case, in this sense, i rate our society quite highly . thank you very much for your professional comments. vadym vasyutynskyi, a sociopsychologist, was in touch with us and we talked about this phenomenon, why some fight it, others walk around it. thank you, mr. vadim, we say goodbye

to our guest, well, we literally have a couple of minutes left, here again, i... i heard the words that i wanted to hear that our society is generally healthy, nothing is perfect, in fact, you know, in any war there is always someone somewhere, in restaurants, in any famine, someone somewhere eats red caviar behind strong walls, and someone dies, even the teams send someone to death, and the commander remains behind, this is life, and i think that ukrainian society , the key moment that it has reached now during these two years of war, that it has become much more mature, and simply understands reality the reality that there are such people, there are other people, there is a sailor who blew up, askakunu , who blew up the bridge together with himself, tried to stop the enemy from going to genichivsk, there were heroes who, on one tank, stopped the enemy armada, leaving time for their friends

to retreat, yes, and there is, there is a pensioner who fired at the enemy column in buch, gave time , and then fired at the artillery, in fact , it burned this column and saved, perhaps, many people, then, then vbuchi, but is there someone , who surrendered ukrainian positions, ukrainian soldiers, or ukrainian patriots to the enemy in the occupied territory, different people, we most importantly understand that there is such a reality , and in this reality we become those who must win, we become a nation of winners, despite everything, we understand, we see mistakes, we accept, we do not accept, but we go and we are forming into a nation of winners, i believe that we will be formed into it finally, our enemy will be formed into a nation of losers and losers. thank you for being with us, it was a world view program, i am vasyl zama, i say goodbye to you until the evening, to the big air, and now stay with

espresso, because there is still a lot to come... on an interesting note, congratulations, we have great news about ten-year-old lisa, whom we have been looking for for almost two years, we managed to establish that the girl is alive, she is fine, and now she is abroad with by her guardians, and the story of finding lisa was very difficult, we did everything possible to find the girl as soon as possible, but for a long time nothing was known about her at all, and only in september of this year we received the first, but as it turned out, extremely important call from a witness . to the hotline the child tracing service 116.30 was called by a woman who now lives in spain and said that she saw our program on social networks. about the search for liza and recognized the girl. this girl, this lisa, this face, these eyes, this, i am sure that this is this child.

the woman said that in the spring of 2022 she was a volunteer with the red cross in barcelona and helped register refugees from ukraine, and among them she remembered ten-year-old liza. and definitely lisa, and definitely this blonde, these eyes, this is her, this is this child, then there was... somewhere or the month of march or april, because they were still in their jackets. mrs. liana said that the girl came to barcelona from the kherson region, together with two adults, a man and a woman, and they registered in spain as refugees. they are most likely in the territory of spain, because they received the refugee program, and they were distributed further throughout the territory of spain, but it is also not forbidden for them to leave with those docks. to another state. after receiving the information from the witness, we immediately contacted our spanish colleagues from international federation of missing children europe, who in turn made a request to

the spanish police. a week of waiting and very important details are revealed. the girl was indeed in spain and went to school in barcelona, ​​in the summer of this year her guardians announced their intention to return to ukraine with the child. and indeed on october 3 it was recorded that. the girl and the adults crossed the border from the polish side, but on the same day lisa and her guardians crossed the border again and went back to europe. we immediately passed all the information known to us to the police, but for now the most important thing is that everything is fine with the girl, and she is with her guardians, who, according to our data, are most likely oliza's grandparents. and of course, in this story, first of all, we have to thank mrs. liana. who lives in spain, who saw our program about lisa's search on facebook, recognized the girl, did not remain indifferent and gave us such important information, which ultimately

became decisive in the search for the girl. this story once again proves that it is necessary to continue the search even in the most difficult situations, even when it seems that there is no chance of finding the missing child. among the children we are looking for are those who are at large. a year, two, five, and even more, but when there is even the slightest probability of finding a child, the search must continue, so i very much ask you to take just a few minutes and go to the website of the children's search service, here in the section missing children of ukraine, you can see the boys and girls who are currently wanted. look carefully at their faces, i will be very grateful if you share information about missing children in your social networks. if you suddenly recognize one of the wanted children, immediately call our hotline 116-30, calls from all mobile operators in ukraine are free.

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ukraine is the main topic for ukrainians. victories and losses, analysis and forecasts, politics and geopolitics, serhii rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this. people who have information and shape public opinion, people who defend ukraine and create the future right now, are the main and interesting things in the verdict by serhiy rudenko program. from monday to friday at 20:00, repeat at 12:10, congratulations, there was such a quarrel between russian propagandists the other day, which, you know, in fact, it really showed the inner state of what is happening there in general with russian propaganda, one of solovyov's most ardent propagandists, who works for his channel, is on his show, and one who

wants to beat everyone, shoot them, the third world war and all of a sudden, such a satanovsky, suddenly on the air, not on a russian tv channel, but giving an interview to some israeli blogger , said, well, let's say, directly, probably the truth, it is clear that here is the heavily sleepy deputy minister bohdanov, who was still in cairo as an ambassador he does not want anything bad about israel, but he is 71 years old , he needs to think about the future, and israel does not pay money, it is true, it does not give golden parachutes, but the money is walking around the islamic world, big money, here is masha zakharova, who, in principle, does not particularly like jews, but

she cannot stand israel, it is not particularly... another heavy drinker, who nevertheless is the speaker of our mido, such heavy drinkers, these are some women of easy behavior, let's call it, as it turned out, massa zakharov, others there mzs russian, but he did not stop there, he further developed his opinion about the political system of russia in general, which was also. it is quite interesting for our country, well, the time x possibility of disintegration will be somewhere in the thirties, because putin is not eternal, he is getting old, as always, strong leaders take over weak ones, and putin is very strong from the point of view of holding power, although in me...

a separate topic of what i think about how he governs the country and how he supports the cadres, well, it means that he is from these cadres he will put some small, weak piece of shit in his place, medvedev was an example, well, that is, he also remembered medvedev , very well, and as a result , solovyov was forced to apologize for him . heroically went on the air and said that he was fired. i would like to apologize to the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation and the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassadors mrs. bohdanova and mrs. zakharova for the completely unfair content and unacceptable according to the form of the statement, edited by an employee of our channel, yevhey yanovich satanovsky.