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that today china and xi, in particular, as the chinese leader is a senior partner, are they classic partners, or are things gradually moving towards russia's vassal dependence, this is a question, i believe that both are the case, er, when everyone is talking about 200 billion in trade turnover, which means that russia is increasingly dependent on china on the one hand, and once there will be a point of no return, but on the other hand, china is currently enabling russia to actually wage this war. here you are showing putin, who went to a press conference after the meeting with xi, please note that it is putin's conference, not xi

putin's. and this says a lot for the chinese, who are conscious and know the protocol for the last 3,000 years, at least. and the chinese, of course, need resources from today's russian regime, and the chinese get them. by the way, for some reason we believe that everything... that putin cannot export to west, it exports to china, this is not true, for example, if we take oil, then china took over a very small part of the oil that was released, it mainly went to india and other countries, according to various schemes there, er,

it is very important for russia to agree on the second, or turn, of the gas pipeline, the power of the seber, since there is nowhere to go for gas, well, the chinese there will screw the russians as much as they can , on this, having received conditions and discounts, which, for sure , no one will receive in this world energetically, and for the chinese, very serious conversation, this is a conversation about how to use putin and russia, and the russian regime, to confront the united states, because in china the entire elite believes that this confrontation will determine, well, at least the following. how it will happen, peacefully, not so much, at the level of reconciliation, or at the level of rivalry, once, the european union formed the meaning of its policy towards china, holding principles, or if you want,

in three words, it is actually, all starting from rivalry, to the partnership, here they invested all, all, all this block, that is, they they say that there is a strategic competition between the eu and china, there is rivalry and actually there is a partnership, how to put it together is almost impossible today, you see how china increasingly does not understand that china does not like this world system and the world order , although china largely does not want to take responsibility for it, nevertheless, this logic , the logic is changing, and china needs putin and needs the russian regime, which is why they are not interested in putin winning, but

precisely so not interested in putin finally lost, this is our fundamental challenge, and from the point of view of what i... saw from china, i definitely did not see equal partners, i saw an asymmetrical, definitely, unequal partnership, if it is a partnership at all, and not just dependence on russia from china, that is, today we no longer have , as they say, a system where they balance each other, rather... the thais use russia, well, the last one, there was no trust between them and there will be no trust, that is, this partnership will not pass into an alliance, but using each other, putin has no other way out, but everyone there is no better, better option

to use, so this cynical, cynical interaction, it will continue, and i think that for putin, this visit and this meeting, it was the main meeting, at least this year. mr. pavlo, look, you talked about the point of no return to this vassal dependence, what is it, this point of no return will come, and under what conditions it can come, it will come when the west raises its stakes and becomes more serious about russian isolation, but you see that the west does not want to do this and does not want to putin with his regime, and the main thing is russia as such, since the regime will one day end, will the new regime be better, this is a big question for me, because the problem of russia is not only putin, it is actually russia itself and the russians,

but nevertheless, the west i don't want the russian regime to fall into the final, and irreversible. dependence on china, and this is also part of the calculation of many in the west, and while china will be the main enabler to meet its needs, but also in some technologies and in the technologies of dual use, then this dependence will increase, part of the russian elites, if you can call them that, they... of course, not just with suspicion, with mistrust, they even have a more negative attitude towards china and do not want to go there, but this means that the west will continue will play with these elites to break them on the move to china.

putin himself has no special way out, since putin is already a taxi figure in today's world, and both in the west and in the non-west, but... what will happen next, we'll see, we live in today's moment, we we are worried about today's moment, but the world looks at the long term and unfortunately, we cannot afford such happiness now, but we will definitely be able to afford it in the future. i really want this, mr. pavlo, now let's move from east to west, last week the news flew that the european parliament created a support fund for ukraine, 50 billion euros, and it was voted for in the european parliament, well, we were happy here for a month... a week , but we rejoice prematurely, because as far as i understand, now it is

it is necessary to vote for this decision of the european parliament in each individual country , members of the european union, what can happen next, no, no, ma'am, everything is not so bad, in fact, the fund was not created by the european parliament, although we are of course grateful to the members of the european parliament and give them proper, the fund was created by the european commission at the request of... the european council, that is, the yesivsk agreement already exists, the question is not that it all needs to be voted on and so on, the money will not come from national budgets, but directly from the european budget, part of this money, the european union, will take on the open markets, as far as i understand from brussels, all these 50 billion are , so to speak, safe for ukraine, there

will be no fundamental threat that something will break in relation to the 50 billion, then, of course, there will be discussions, how and when to use them, but this is already question number two, in the sense of understanding that 50 billion for four years is fixed, it is certainly not enough, but very important. both a political and actually a financial signal in the sense that even during the war we have a macroeconomic one stability, and we see it, and this is a very obscure story, and this is an achievement of both ours and our friends and partners, and a very, very great achievement, because putin, many hoped that this macroeconomic stability would spill over into more.

nevertheless, it exists , it doesn’t mean that you don’t need to be vigilant, and there are definitely challenges, but out of 50 billion with them, everything is fine with them, i would say so briefly, well, that’s it , that’s great, thank you for the clarification, because really, it seemed to me that when the european parliament votes, it ratifies, or rather, then still ratification in each individual country, but thank god that you explained that everything is fine, that 's fine, let's talk a little more about europe and support from europe, for example, the prime minister of hungary, viktor orbán, well such an impression, he cannot calm down, even though he was promised to return, or rather unblock, the 13 billion euros that the european union was supposed to give him, but blocked, he still continues to talk and talk, last week he was in an interview, i no longer i remember someone, he said in an interview about that this is not true, ukrainians are fighting for europe, no, and russia is not a threat

to europe at all, please tell me why he continues to show so openly that he is angry with brussels, is this still a game, or could there be something another thing, well, i will say that he can break even 17 billion , not 13, that is, his happiness in quotes will be even greater, and this includes the fee, we must frankly speak for his consent to the beginning of the preliminary process with us, and i think , that orbán will still throw out many different feints when they are revealed individual chapters of the admission process, we understand this perfectly, orbán is the only one of the western leaders, and i consider hungary a western country, whether orbán is a western leader is a question, actually, but hungary. definitely a western country, i met putin officially, i tell everyone that even the serbian

president is traditionally friendly in the country, well, they move there, but they are traditionally friendly to russia, i crossed paths somewhere in the corridor, i don’t know, there i shook hands and hugged, but i crossed paths , but orban decided that it was necessary to sit on such chairs, record there, video, camera, flags. that is, this is a classic official meeting, the game that orbán plays, it is actually very clear, this game that i will continue to bargain. i will bargain for, for yesiv money, at the same time i will receive discounts from moscow, and putin will definitely thank orban, and this is part of a fairly stable attitude, or rather, not even an attitude, but

orban’s position in domestic politics, since energy prices, tariffs, and in any country, including ours, tariffs are a serious story, very emotional for people, and very important for how much and how they spend, that is, many people simply support orbán, he says: we will have stability, prices will not rise much, and i guarantee you that, some people protest, because they understand what this means, especially in big cities, but a part. he agrees with people, and we also have to be honest about it, well, the third part of his game, she also understood, he wants to be such a little ardaana, maybe i don’t know, and play the game of his own among strangers, a stranger among his own, and be a certain mediator between the west and china, the west and

putin will use it later, so... he will not stop this game, he will continue it. he understands that in today's reality, he has such a sensitivity, if you will, an intuition, er, it makes him stronger, or rather, not even stronger, it protects him within the eu and nato, despite the frankly disdainful attitude towards some western values , you know that... the money we are talking about, 17 billion, was suspended in hungary for violating the fundamental principles of the rule of law, and 30 billion was also suspended in poland, but with the new coalition, well, let's see how it will be, but nevertheless, there is every chance that this money will be returned to poland, and let's face it,

if orbán still receives his 17 billion, it will strengthen his position inside hungary, in relation to his voters, yes, in relation to the part of the business that focuses on him, so too, so this is a cynical game, and he will continue this cynical game, after all, it is a game, and it is a pity that it will continue, because it will have a negative impact, obviously on us, 100%, but we also have levers, i think they are common levers from the european commission and so on, it's not yet time to talk about them, but i think that in fact the conversation can be, i won't say that it's pleasant, but effective, it's interesting, mr. pavlo, look, now let's support nato, well, i was present already almost two weeks ago at the meeting of foreign ministers of nato member countries in brussels, i heard, i heard this

support, at least there at the meeting. at least i heard it on the sidelines , please tell me, and this aftertaste that reached you after this meeting, because volodymyr zelenskyi was present, this, you one gets the impression that nato will continue to support ukraine, even though they say that this russian war will be protracted, so unequivocally, that is, i will not say that i am there with every country, there every other day, i communicate, but in i have many good acquaintances in key countries, i have a history of relations with them and friends, and i do not feel that any country wants to slip away or jump out of our support, for example, i feel that we have the opposite

situation, when at the beginning of the war, we have it was difficult to convince people, they watched that this is happening, and the politicians have consistently supported us, so now, among the people, we have more or less constant support, but the politicians are thinking, how can they continue to support ukraine, and at the same time win the elections, because there is inflation, energy prices and so on further, well, how do they balance their... and their budgets, and i believe that the situation can always change, but we still have to use it properly, so i have fears that who... here we are , sorry for the slang kine, there is no, and even, the country that you and i are talking about

that's what they said, hungary, that is, it won't push sticks in the wheels, there will be, there will be, and there will be a lot, and they have a strategy to put sticks in our wheels, but this does not mean that hungary will finally be exterminated from this, i i say, no matter how easy neighbors the hungarians are, or rather, i'm not talking about the hungarians , they still agreed to all the sanctions packages, they usually accompany every discussion with their tricks, but the sanctions are there, so, as we said, it's a game, orbán, let's currently does not publicly want to see ukraine as a member of nato, but this is only the beginning of the process, and we will see what hungary will be like ahead, so everything is just beginning. but nevertheless, whoever said that it would be easy, orbán will create problems for us both within nato and within the european union, well, it is a great

pity, and since you said that it is a great pity that hungary will make these feints for us to throw away, but it is good that we have some anti-feints against hungarian feints together with our partners and allies. mr. pavlo, i thank you very much for participating in today's program, for yours professional answers. comments, it was pavlo klimkin, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, well, we need to summarize already, we saw today in the conversation that the world is with us, despite everything that is happening, the conflict in the middle east, despite meetings and handshakes between putin and sydzenpin and handshakes between orbán and putin. the world will continue to stay with us because it has to. well, that's all for me, for today in the world at war program, that's all only for today, because

next time we meet next monday at the usual time, there will be new guests, there will be new topics, but it will be interesting as always, my name is yuriy fizar, see you soon, see this week in the collaborators program. plazun from berdyansk, who was happy to meet the russian army, from our sister city tver, such humanitarian aid came, and as the traitors stole ukrainian grain, i was given a task, it will literally revive, congratulations, this is the program of collaborators and i, olena kononenko, we have already prepared for you a new portion sellers who chose a tricolor cloth for worship. zaporizhzhia region - the city of berdyansk, a resort pearl of ukraine with healing mud, mineral waters, sandy beaches and the sea of ​​azov. the city

was founded in 1836 on the site of cossack and fishing settlements that appeared here in the middle of the 16th century. in modern ukraine, many families had a tradition of going to berdyansk for a few days in the summer, swimming in the sea, tasting delicious fish, honey pokhlo and going on rides, but here is the second summer in a row, the orcs are taking us away this opportunity. on february 27, 2022, berdyansk was captured. the russians established a strict occupation regime there, the city was left without gas supply, there are constant problems with mobile communication and the internet. ukrainian humanitarian aid is not allowed to berdyansk and there are no green corridors for evacuation. locals are listened to and summoned for questioning, and more. residents are waiting for release, there are also those who are afraid of the armed forces, they know very well that they will have to pay for their treasonous activities during the occupation. first in line for

payback will be mamay valentina ivanivna, born in 1962 in sumy oblast, until february 24 she was a deputy of the berdyansk city council from the already banned opzh party and the head of the public organization berdyansk animal protection service. we choose after a full-scale offensive, mom like a dog put on a russian leash. when the occupiers entered the city, she agreed to write denunciations. in the best traditions of the soviet kgb, mamai compiled lists of those who could resist the occupation, as well as members of ato. they showed the military of the russian federation advantageous positions for deployment equipment for shelling the territory of ukraine. then , in a propaganda video, they said that they thought it was "yours". the sister city of berdyanska and thanks the russian officials for their cooperation. our sister city tver, such a humanitarian aid has come, i want to thank

the government of tver, which took care of us, people came to the city, learned about all our city problems, deputies came, looked, went, liked it, i wonder what they liked the most, the occupation of the city, shelling of the civilian population or intimidation locals, after such a public display , the rashists included mamai in the fake public chamber under the head of the berdyansk administration. by the way, this traitor was interviewed by yulia vachenkova, a well-known russian reporter. propaganda in berdyansk. we have already told you about her before, and it is thanks to our program that she is under the watchful eye of law enforcement agencies. who is vachenkova and what is she accused of? i will remind you now. vachenkova is 36, she is a mother of three children, a former tv presenter on the berdyansk and kremlin zaprodanka tv channels. until february 24 at television in ukrainian, wrote and sang songs about my mother. i sang that.

my dear mother, i will remember you, but as it turned out, all this was not sincere, because yulia's real songs about mother russia, when the orks occupied berdyansk, she transferred to the service of the rashists, vachenkova's first story appeared on the berdyansk telegram channel, topically on june 30, that year, it was dedicated to the humanitarian aid provided to refugees from mariupol and from the so-called friendly dagestan. bratsky dagestan provided another help to berdyansk. he arrived in the city cargo of humanitarian aid for children and refugees evacuated from mariupol during a special military operation. after that, vachenkova's materials are published only in this telegram channel. in particular, the story about the visit of the russian media to berdyansk to make sure that everything is fine in the occupied place. everything will be fine in berdyansk when he is released from the ssu and

the flag of ukraine will once again fly over the city administration, and yulia will sit for treason. it seems that she herself understands this, so she tries to have somewhere to run to serve the occupiers not only as a journalist. vachenkova also became an artist, a member of such a group, called she put on a military uniform with the letter z and sings about our boy warriors. well, how does he sing, rather howl? this disgrace of ukrainian journalism has already earned itself suspicion, so a fair trial and imprisonment is only a matter of time. and this traitor helped the occupiers steal ukrainian grain. volodymyr anatoliyovych stalmachenko , born in 1970, hails from the village of staropetrivka,

berdyansky district. in 2004, he worked at berdyansk maritime security service, as an officer, was actively interested in tactical training, took part in exercises from the azov regiment, where he received good theoretical and practical knowledge of medical, automobile, sniper and tactical training. he also engaged in volunteer activities, helping servicemen of the azov regiment with weapons, clothing, equipment and medical supplies. s. telmachenko also joined the association. contributing to the defense of ukraine, the purpose of which is to protect the interests of society, patriotic education and military-technical training of people of conscription age. i was born in a village located 12 km from the center of berdyansk, and with such a track record , my husband decided not to go there. during the occupation of the city, the invaders offered him the position of director of the berdyan seaport, and telmachenko agreed, man.