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to everyone who joined the espresso broadcast, and we continue the conversation with our guest, diplomat ruslan osypenko. mr. ruslan , glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, congratulations to the studio, of course we wanted to start about two connected vessels, the middle east-israeli war and the ukrainian-russian war, through such a bridge as i have already announced iran, but i will start with the exchange. verbal attacks between brussels and the leader of the fidesz party, the unchanging favorite of the hungarians, orbán, this putin versteer yesterday kicked the bucket a little more by equating brussels to some kind of moscow, and the european union to the soviet union, according to which he received a completely open answer from joseph borel, he does not like it, then hungary can leave the union, well, it is an interesting verbal duel,

but what is important for us is that once again, this is exactly what the hungarian leadership is blocking, the military aid and finance to ukraine from the european union, and they could not unblock it anyway, will brussels be able to trick these jobbers from budapest, or will they continue to play the ultra-right putin vershteiers, and nothing will come of it, unfortunately, the trend is such that they will continue to play, because there is no toolkit of the european commission, as well as, apart from finances and deprivation , there is no word inside the eu when discussing some key issues, but there is no mechanism to overcome such and such a front in the european union, and unfortunately, hungary will

blocking not only aid, but now if we move there , start negotiations, then we will receive a political invitation to negotiations and start bilateral negotiations with eu countries, hungary will block our movement, in the direction of the european union, fulfilling the tasks of moscow and blocking the same movement, perhaps and our move towards nato. mr. ruslan, can the hungarians themselves change something? yesterday, in budapest, there were rallies in the center of the hungarian capital against rapprochement with russia, and also on the anniversary of the peaceful moscow tanks of the year 56, but no democratic the tv channel of democratic, democratic hungary did not show these rallies. trubpest, the hungarians themselves, have an effort to change those, the fideszists, who are now more far-right than the jovik party, it is difficult to say, but it is clear that there is a political crisis, that the political top, which

is building a political power according to the principle of moscow power, this personalist, yes , controlling the media, controlling political processes , having introduced such a monolithic one-party system, on the one hand... criticizing brussels, but demanding funds from it, at the same time cooperating with enemies, in fact, nato and the european union, meeting, taking pictures there with the leaders of moscow itself, but this crisis will grow internally, so far there is no, there is no way to say that society is ready to change, the last elections showed that support after all populist ... slogans with which he went to the elections, this political force headed by orbán was supported, but on certain issues, such as rapprochement with moscow, the fact that orbán criticizes europe, hungarian society, it is pro-european, and the elite , she built

a personalist power like that of moscow, yes, which drags it into the orbit of the kremlin, and therefore it will intensify the political crisis, first of all inside... hungary, and hungary is only dependent on this kind of power within the country, because if there is no internal country and there will be no support from brussels, well, that's all, they are political losers, they are the future, of course , yes, mr. ruslan, let 's move to the middle east, on the one hand, the americans declared that they are ready to evacuate 6,000 of their citizens from the countries of the middle east, in case aggravation of the situation. that is, they are already developing a plan, we remember, two years ago, the americans evacuated their citizens from ukraine, a few weeks before a full-scale invasion, on the other hand, the israel defense forces says that they are ready to start a ground

operation in the strip gasses, although it was also fired, they did not start when they wanted, they called various reasons, various pretexts, they did not talk about the reason, they actually talked about the pretexts, what do you think, will they start, will they not start, and is this situation, can the war in israel drag on as well as the war in ukraine, because at the beginning everyone there was convinced on both sides that it is a matter of a few days, in the worst case , a few weeks, no, it is not a short-term war, it is from my point of view, it the beginning, according to samuel huntington, of western islamic civilization, and the plan was precisely for iran to involve western civilization, led by the united states, in this war, so that the united states would oppose the front of the arab countries, and the front should be organized after israel enters from military with its technological army, will get involved in the gas war and strike at the rear

of israel from many sides, forming such a front of confrontation, and through israel involve the united states, and what is being exported 6000 plan to export. people, this suggests that such a collision is calculated by the united states, that it could be such a collision , uh, by the way, regarding the ground operation and what is being done around the world, mr. sent, we also saw an interesting verbal duel on fields of the un, there is such an interesting organization where everything controlled by russia in radbeiz, they have a secretary general there. who is not for the first time trying to compete with the pope in his livatian statements, he said that the terrorist attack by hamas on israel was due to some kind of occupation of the gaza sector, to which the minister of foreign affairs replied that guterres, well, it is best for him,

of course, to resign in this case, at the level of these structures, they will continue to play out this hamas plot. map in such a discourse on the left, which was imposed back in the times of the ussr and the kgb, will anything change, no, unfortunately, nothing will change, i say that oon is... a degrading organization in general, it is not that it does not fulfill its functions, unfortunately it is degrading, we see that the leadership is also degrading, but it is not the fault of oon, it is the fault of the principle of the event, therefore that they did not modernize, both security and financial structures, under modern, under modern realities , as world leaders, and therefore, look, the liberal order remains, the same europe, america accepts migrants, the same muslims, but they do not dissolve in society , as planned, that is, they are given all kinds of advantages there, that is, let's say

yes, simply, muslims use this liberal democratic system, and the liberal democratic system hopes that they will become, well, citizens, responsible citizens of this system, and how do you, how do you calculate, actually, look, this is actually a repetition of the ancient history, because the muslim-ottoman occupation of europe is a century-old history of occupation, abuse, and well, you know the historical background well, and in fact multiculti broke down as a concept in europe as well here is this game with the militant wing of islam, which does not dissolve , does not accept the rules of european society, and now commits... actually pogroms on the streets of civilized cities such as london, paris and so on, that is,

the european union will be forced to decide again that this is an occupation- the muslim question in a forceful way, as it was from the third century until the 11th century. if one does not take into account the realities and plans of many arab muslim countries, and now the plan after the makiya conference... which took place either in 2004 or in in 2005, i don't remember exactly now, but the idea was like this, shiites and sunnis gathered for the first time, there were also representatives from iran and saudi arabia, the whole arab world gathered, and he said that islam should dominate in the 21st century and take on greater responsibility, because the west has led the whole world into conflicts, into wars, there are pandemics and everything else, and only islam can lead out of this situation, for this... a single caliphate must be created from the emirates of spain to china, where we already see

the first examples of military action the taliban itself declared itself an emirate, that is, this is already the initial precedent set, when the muslim ummah begins to unite, as was planned at the makiya conference, and we are going precisely to this confrontation, that is why i said that it was alkhantin in the year 96 still predicted this clash of civilizations, and therefore both europe and the united states must wake up and understand that there are such plans and they must be responded to. mr. ruslan, the last short question, china, they seem to have their own concept, and claim the role of a peacemaker and in close in the east, not only in ukraine, the head of their ministry of foreign affairs called both the israelis and the palestinians, and here he offers his scenarios for a peaceful settlement, whether he will... promote his aid, his interests, accordingly

, china in the middle east as well, and whether this will it work there? yes, we see another strategy, this is china's strategy of peaceful rise, peaceful dominance, exactly , the west is fighting to maintain its position, islam is fighting to gain its position, and china will use these trends to also to rise and, dominate to century, as they plan in 2049 to become the number one state, where there will be peace, balance, harmony, and conflicts may continue around, it is like in the theory of the heavenly tiansha, so-called, that in the center is this chinese civilization, where peace, harmony, everyone trades and everything is fine, and all around are barbarian peoples who can conflict , it is allowed in theory that they can conflict and china will play a role here to stop... well these conflicts, but also, so to speak , that china has its own

concept of dominance. thank you sir ruslan, ruslan osypenko is a diplomat, how about this world hybrid war, and to confirm his words, here is the main red communist emperor of china, xi jinping, you know what he said, the future of humanity depends on how china and the usa get along, no more, not less, of this kind of hegemony. that's a similar prospect, let's be honest, we have another guest next, we'll talk about what will allow us not to expose our military to danger. sappers, those people who are already working on the conquered and returned ukrainian territories so that they become safe, that is, demining them. ihor yefimenko, the director of the ukrainian resource center, is in touch with us, glory to ukraine, sir, yes, the resource center, sir, these were their developments, now we will ask, mr. igor, we congratulate you, i congratulate

you, mr. igor, let us let's show our viewers, uh... a frame of your development, the development of this such and such a nozzle, i would say, for shoes, such an additional protective cover that allows you to protect people's feet, and you will explain to us how it will work, actually, about tell us physics, explain, because not all of us are specialists, well, please tell them how it works and how it saves, the main purpose of this nozzle, as you say, well, it is protective in us, it is to carry a mine explosion away from the leg the sapper, the epicenter, it was not under the foot of the sapper or the advancing person, but for the explosion to be, and thus to reduce its power and

only the residual wave of the explosion, insignificant, not so effective, if you step on the mine, well, the whole foot, and for this there are also made eyes, such paws, let's say so, here they, they go to the side, as you can see from the leg, and the explosion, when it happens, it, all the energy goes up, up. and does not directly injure the limb, this is the main, let’s say, the focus, the platform to which the eyes and antennae are attached, it can withstand the explosion of an anti-personnel mine, that is, if, let’s say , it doesn’t go, it rejects the sapper, or extinguishes this blast wave?

er, look, it all depends on the mine that the seperk attacks, if it is a mine, a bush, well, a petal, those green eyes that are scattered remotely, then it withstands and extinguishes all the energy of the explosion, explosion by itself, and only these two paws break off, well, it doesn’t matter if there are front or rear ones, which part is stepped on, it breaks off anyway, and it endures, and thus it is like a car bumper, it dampens this explosion, if the mine is more powerful, such as a pmn-2 or a pmm mine, it also absorbs part of the energy of the explosion, it breaks, but it is the first to take the hit, the legs fly away, thereby reducing the pressure and energy of this explosion, this lower spoon, well, not a spoon, the boat is like that, let's say so, it is also an explosion in russia and by the same token, due to the fact that it is made of composite materials,

plastic, it breaks inside and thereby also extinguishes it. on which, on what volumes do you calculate your production , that is, because we know that ukraine is now the number one demining territory on the planet earth, that is, we need to demine, demine, accordingly, for this we must talk about some large industrial parties , and you say here, too, the complex materials are composite and power, or in which, what numbers can we talk about now, what power can you reach, look, it all depends... needs, it like any product, like any production, it is calculated for some first stage, for a trial batch, and then we see what the demand is, the efficiency, if there are any shortcomings, we will work them out, and already in the final version, the scale of production is at the beginning we produced one pair there, sometimes two for a couple of weeks, sometimes two weeks , it depended on the materials and complexity, then

i had a goal to make about 10 pairs per day, now we have 12, and this cannot be scaled further, everything depends on the orders and the needs of the front, let's say after that, well, let's say, the ministry of defense approached us, they called and offered to present this product to them, i went to the commission, they approved it there, we finalized their wishes there, and as soon as we have them, let's call it yes, accreditation, then i plan to increase it exponentially, because there is a need, and the military... they say that there will be a lot of them, so we order from the state, the military say that it is necessary, but the military cannot and should not actually themselves comes

to you, here are infantry sappers, yes, or the ministry you were contacted, do you already have any contact, is there an order, and i am saying that the ministry itself, after seeing your products and the sappers themselves, they are military themselves, asked... and there was a call to us in the call center and representative offices of the ministry of defense and they invited and said let's speed it up, we will help what is needed there, and very quickly they, we, in cooperation with them, did there, well, documents, checks there and so on, and they are already putting the product in regular enlisted weapons, as they are called, somehow, and help... to speed up the eyes all bureaucratic processes, and it’s very nice that i didn’t have to run around offices somewhere, knocking, they found it themselves,

they proposed it themselves and they say, let’s hurry up, the state has, i’m already looking and they say, a shortened procedure for inventors to speed up internal production, procedures , where some of them are accelerated, there are people who push them, help people like me , let's say, er, this... it is faster to convey to the troops, so i believe that they reacted very quickly, i i believed that it would be a longer way. and there are reviews from the military, who have already tried your invention? there are reviews, er, there are guys who have already stepped on, let’s say, landmines, and i had such a letter, correspondence in social networks, well, messengers, the guy writes, well, sapersho, well, to our managers, thank you for the shoes, tomorrow

we go to the site, the next sms comes, the miner blew up, the leg is broken, but the limb is in place, thank you, well, this is the best rest, i think it’s cool, by the way, if we’re just talking, i understand that you, or you relocated, or you will not stay in your native kharkiv... we will reveal secrets the enemy, but it's just that kharkiv region is de-occupied and we already had a lot of information about entire huge areas that are mined, in general , i just want to ask you as a specialist how you look at this demining, at least even in your native kharkiv region, how fast and effective it is goes, is it still too early to talk about it, or will it be necessary to look for some other technical solutions so that it is not a problem, as they say half a century later. well, look, i have a house outside the city, a cottage, let's say, it was right there under the stucco in the occupied territory, well, i haven't gotten there yet

, well, it's for this reason, let's say, there were heavy battles there, uh, well, they were mined there, somewhere partially, a lot of things have already been demined, what i see, how a manufacturer of various protective equipment, i see a lot of desire of our guys and a lot of work in them, but i, well, my personal view on this is that the guys are eager, there are not enough of them, because there are many territories, and to walk all these tens of kilometers there, there are hundreds kilometers, it will not be possible in one day, but there is a desire, and i see that we will overcome these difficulties, that's how i feel. i 'm sure of this for some reason, but it won't happen in one day there or a month, there are very large mined areas, there are a lot of them.

mr. igor, thank you for the story about a very important thing that will save the limbs of our sappers, soldiers and more , it is produced by the ukrainian resource center, igor yefimenko, the director of this center was in touch with us, we have time to take a short break, then listen to the news, more news will follow, and then we'll be back and we have more... important topics, including human rights, to discuss, stay with espresso. partner glaufix healthy vision project. glaufix - protection and maintenance of your eyesight. sensation of impaired vision, discomfort in the eyes, sensitivity to bright light. these are possible harbingers of cataracts and glaucoma, and glaufix is ​​the solution to protect and maintain visual acuity. gloofix is ​​11. components to

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