[000:00:00;00] very poor, but we want to listen to serhiy rodenko, literally in a few seconds, the verdictel espresso program, be with us, good evening, we are from ukraine, glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health i. zelensky promises strikes on russia, putin stole from the americans. missile drawings, and erdoğan defends hamas, about this and other things, see today in the program. the enemy tried to attack the nuclear plant, khmelnytskyi under the sights of the russians for the fourth day in a row, the consequences of the enemy strike, the russian offensive on avdiivka, what is happening in hot spots on the front and why terekons near the city are important to the occupiers. preparing for the elections, who

ordered the commanders to assemble. information about politicians in the ranks of the zsu and why we will talk about all this today for the next hour with our guests, it will be a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war yevhen dyky and general serhii krivonos. however, before starting our conversation, i suggest watching a video of the consequences of the russian invaders' attack on khmelnytskyi. the blow went through the territory, which borders near the khmelnytskyi nuclear power plant, almost 2000 consumers were left without electricity, happy and unhappy, as a result of the explosions, 18 people were injured,

watch the video. suffered, flew, there were explosions, all the windows, you see, look, there is no conversation here , everything is broken, there is nothing in the apartment, almost all educational institutions were destroyed by the shock wave, the school received a strong blast wave, as a result of which damaged all, without exception, huge windows in the assembly hall and in the sports hall, broken glass panes, there are losses, as it was broken... that is, more than 35 windows have already been finally counted , the entrance door, the swimming pool, interior mdf doors, evacuation doors, damaged locks, and also after 10 o'clock the electricity network has already disappeared, half of the garden is damaged the security network, the wires, as well as the doors and windows were broken, there were sensors, about everything and

it was all broken. friends, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please like this video, subscribe to our youtube pages and facebook, take part in our vote, today we ask you about whether you trust what you see in a single telethon, yes, no, or your answer, please write in the comments below this video. i want to introduce our first guest today, he is a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, former commander of the aidar battalion platoon, yevhen dykiy. mr. yevgeny, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air. good evening. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. yevgeny, this night khmelnytskyi for the fourth time in the last period is subject to drone strikes, and these drones are flying in the direction of the khmelnytskyi nuclear

power plant, at least. these drones go astray without reaching the khmelnytskyi nuclear power plant. volodymyr zelenskyi has already addressed the world and ukrainians about these shellings, let's listen to what the president said. most likely, the target for these drones was the khmelnytskyi nuclear power plant, the wave from the explosion knocked out windows, in particular, on the territory of the nuclear power plant. as of now, it is known that there are two dozen places. residents are injured. everyone was given the necessary help, this blow in direction of as. another reminder for all our partners how important it is to strengthen ukrainian defense and security and how dangerous it is when russia can circumvent world sanctions. many components in attack drones, which are used by russian terrorists and in missiles, originate from other countries from

different countries. including from western companies, the effectiveness of sanctions against russia is literally protection against terrorism. mr. yevgeny, ukraine is not the first to face russian nuclear terror, we remember the chernobyl nuclear power plant, the redwood forest, and when the russians went there entered the first days of the war and stood in that red forest for a month, then the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, well now the khmelnytsky nuclear power plant, do you think the russians are trying to hit the nuclear power plant, or is the protection much more reliable in the nuclear power plant, including from nuclear strikes on a nuclear power plant. well, frankly speaking, well, honestly, first of all, i am a little surprised to hear that we have already faced nuclear terror, well, i am very sorry, but in chernobyl, for example, from nuclear terror

suffering, only the russian troops themselves suffered, they were forced to dig trenches in the middle of the redwood forest, but they really became a victim of nuclear terror, i think they caught such doses there that wow, but, forgive me, not a single nuclear facility was damaged by the russians was not. the same applies to the zaporizhzhia as, it is captured, it is illegally occupied, like any other object on the territory of ukraine that is captured by the occupiers, but, sorry, they have not spoiled it yet, they have not done anything like that, if we let's recall, understand correctly, everything i say is not the role of the devil's advocate, i just like to, let's say, soberly and objectively assess what is really a threat and what is not. and if we recall the last, let's say, season, when, in fact, all winter, all winter, russia was at war with our energy system and destroyed it as much as it could, but notice, not a single drone and not a single missile was

fired at our nuclear power plants, and it's absolutely no accident and it's not because russians are good and care about anything there, they do about one thing, about one's skin, about one's life, and here is the kernel... this is the only fat red line that the west drew for them, here is everything else, let's put it this way, eh, the subject of mainly our problems, our care and so on, but here regarding nukes, this is the only bold red line drawn by the allies, primarily by the states themselves, as a nuclear power, but by the way , britain and france also joined this, in fact, the russians were explicitly told that in the event that they or will use... nuclear weapons, or detonate one of the anti-nuclear weapons, which will be equated to the use of nuclear weapons, then, under this condition, nato will be forced to intervene directly and strike back, and since despite

all the blackmail and putin's bluff, in fact, the russians are very afraid of a direct conflict with nato, because they know very well what is in it, what is in them chances in such a conflict, so they will see this red line very clearly. and were not violated, if now , let's say, something has changed, then it means that some really very fundamental changes are taking place, because no one has cleaned, wiped or softened this red line anywhere, therefore so far, the very fact that some drones were shot down in the khmelnytskyi region, well, for me, let's say, is still not a clear proof that they were going exactly in the direction of the khmelnytsky as. khmelnytskyi region is big enough and besides as, there is a lot to do there, but of course. it is very necessary to pay attention to this, well, plus, i think that you and i still do not have enough information, specifically about these downed drones, well, i think that the air force is studying in more detail what routes they actually flew and what could be potential

objects, but still the fact itself flew to khmelnytskyi, well, this still does not necessarily mean that the targets were aimed at as, once again, this is not about you in any way. the statements of the rashists, but about the fact that there is a certain logic, and according to this logic, it was precisely the nuclear weapon that was taken for granted all this time, but the only thing they did not fight was precisely at nuclear facilities, if this has changed now, then this a very serious change in general in this war, but in order to, let's say, recognize such a serious change, in my opinion, you need a little more than just some drones shot down in one oblast with as, after all, there was already far more than one natural disaster in rivne oblast during this time, well, this did not apply to rivne as in any way, in mykolaiv oblast there were generally powerful combat operations and still from time to time

it flies from kinburnska kosa to ochakov, but this does not apply to the southern ukrainian nuclear power plant, well, that’s why it is, but look, the fact that for a year and a half the russians have maintained control over the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, this is probably the first time in history that one... came to the territory of another, and the armies came and captured a nuclear facility, when i, when i talk about terror, because basically, well , blackmail, well, i'll say blackmail, nuclear blackmail. because in principle, being in the hands of a terrorist, a nuclear power plant can be dangerous for the whole world, they , they will say, well, here the ukrainians got into their zaporizhia nuclear power plant in order to compromise us, and we wanted to restore order there, the whole world watches for a year and a half how they are there at this facility, for a year and a half the world sits on a nuclear powder keg, by the way, by the way, you remember last summer, when our

offensive on zaporizhzhia began, it was very seriously discussed whether they would blow up the zaporizhzhia as, just as they blew up the kakhovskaya dam, and there were certain signs that they were starting to prepare for that, but there were several very clear statements that if anything flew to europe from the detonated as, it would be perceived as the activation of the fifth article, and secondly, there was a statement that no one would believe , that the as, which was built in soviet times, protected, even from an external nuclear strike, then no one will believe that the as suffered as a result of any ukrainian airstrike , it will immediately be assumed that it was blown up from the center, because this is the only technically possible option, and after these very clear statements of the approach, clearly this the script was rolled back, but i still wanted to draw your attention, mr. yevhen. for one fact, because yesterday the german magazine bild

published information that the russians were, as it were, considering the possibility of launching soyuz carrier rockets somewhere from plisityk there in the arkhangelsk region, and in order for this the missile flew up, and then like a ballistic missile just fell on ukraine, loaded with explosives and would have hit some big city or there, in some area there and caused a big disaster, and the germans show a recording of a conversation between ragozin, the former head of roscosmos, and someone there one of the directors of the roscosmos enterprise and they are talking, he says, it is impossible, because the rocket will not withstand it, it will explode somewhere over russia, there is something else, i want to understand if there is a limit at all to the wild fantasies of russians and their possibilities.

in order to do this, the limit of imagination and the limit of possibilities are, as my beloved odessans say, two very big differences, but the point is that their imaginations are really very wild, but do you remember how once they explained why their missiles in syria landed somewhere completely wrong, they said that there is such a problem as the curvature of the surface of our planet, but for some reason they thought that the planet was flat, but it turned out to be round. well, it happens, yes, yes, actually, there is a similar story here, indeed, ragozin's his imagination ran wild, he decided that if it was not possible with a nuke, then it was possible with an ordinary space rocket with a bunch of explosives, so that it would bang just as cool as a nuke, yes, but it rested on such a limitation as the laws of physics, but in the end it was simply explained to him, that such a rocket will not explode somewhere in kyiv or wherever they launch it, but that such a rocket will explode in the upper layers of the atmosphere as soon as it begins to enter them and that this explosion somewhere

100 kilometers above the surface of the earth poses absolutely no threat to anyone . sir yevgeny, another piece of news that also needs your comment and your assessment, because trump, as obsessed as the russians, said that during the administration of the united states of america, barack obama, the russians stole some classified blueprints and according to these drawings made a super unusual rocket, let's listen to what he said himself, because it will be accurate, well, it's interesting, by the way, i haven't heard it yet, you know that russia stole a super duper rocket, they fly super fast, they stole during the barak administration

obama, they stole the blueprints, classified them and built it, i don’t know who is the bigger inventor and who invents more, the russians or the americans, well in this case trump, what do you say, espionage has always been the domain of the soviet special services and the russian special services, but in this time he is talking about some super-duper missile, about some wunderwaffe that the russians have, no one knows except barack obama, because during his presidency, now trump, yes, now trump, no, well trump, of course a great specialist, yourself... secret documents and the way you handle them, if you know enough, he filled his villa in florida with secret documents, and he left them there even when he stopped being president, yes, in general, of course, sometimes you really want to just imprison him together with ragozin in one rocket and launch it somewhere far away, and on the way, while it flies somewhere, they will have something to talk about, well, two identical dreamers , but seriously, i fully admit that the russians could have stolen

the documentation of the american rocket , this an absolutely possible option, but here trump comes across as a very naive person who does not understand what to have on his hands... the blueprints of a missile and having the entire set of technologies and materials for building a missile, this is a fantastic difference, here are the blueprints, in fact, the blueprints of almost any , even very modern types of weapons, well, you can mostly find them on the internet, but the problem is that having drawings is nothing, i will give a very simple example that explains all this, but the russians don’t just have drawings , er... helicopter engines produced by motorsi, they have not just drawings, they have all the technical documentation , they have many years, and they even built a factory near st. petersburg in order to simply flash non-licensed copies of these motors engines, and pay attention,

they were once developed in the union , that is , in general, the russians took part in their development, and did not simply steal the papers. ukraine then simply modified them, but in general... this is a former soviet design base, that is , they have all the information, and they started flashing these copies of mutorsiv engines, that's the only difference, motorsichov engines have a motor resource of 5000 hours, and russian ones 500, and because in addition to drawings and technical documentation, there are also materials, and actually, the more complex technologies we talk about, the more nuances in every detail, in in every material, in every component, that is... the presence of russians of any blueprints of american weapons absolutely does not make their factories capable of producing these weapons, well, but do you remember how the chinese once bought the varyag aircraft carrier from us, which varyag seems to have been called that, which is not completed, which was not completed, it seems, varyak

, whose boiler i ate in 1998, and they bought, as it were, for a discotheque there, well, it's big. casino, and then they converted it and simply took it, made it out of this aircraft carrier, took it apart in detail and created some copies of their own, that is, the chinese are better at it, the russians have everything, yes, but the chinese also took 20 years, when they actively cooperated with the west and bought a lot of technologies quite legally and sold them stupidly, plus the fact that they were not sold, they copied, and so... together they came out on a more or less decent level of technology, which has been bypassing the russian level for a long time, but by the way, it still did not reach the american level. mr. eugene, in the last few weeks in the united states of america the subject of a possible major global war has been discussed quite often, and

the experts of the bipartisan commission working under the congress are talking about it, the republican leaders are talking about it, that there is a new evil news, china ... russia and iran, and that we need more weapons, more preparation. a bipartisan panel in congress says that a possible collision between the united states of america and russia and china will be between the 27th and the 35th year. does this mean that the world is waiting for a new arms race and that we also need to somehow respond to this arms race, because we need to develop our capabilities, because we have this beast right next to us and we need to do something with it, because as shmyhal says, all the warehouses are emptying very quickly, what were the reserves of weapons, and we need more weapons, we need to fight more, we need to produce more in order to ensure our security, and what do you say,

about the prediction that the americans are making about a possible new cold war, which will inevitably, as the americans say, turn and pass. in the hot stage, well, it seems to me to be the most likely option, in general, at the moment, it seems that the world is just rolling towards the third world war, well , can it be correctly called the fourth, and the third one should be considered the cold one, well, that’s already the details, right? otherwise the world is heading for a big war, and on the one hand i am glad that the west is finally getting used to this thoughts, because it was quite obvious for us even a year ago, in the west, that's how much... they still mostly don't want to believe in the third world war, just like the ukrainians didn't want to believe in this death until february 24, that's the impression , that until february 24, ukraine stood in this position of strauss, who is simply burying his head in the sand, or let's remember this movie, don't look at the sky, that's the position of the west,

it still largely remains the same even now, but finally sober voices have already been heard, which realistically assess that the threat is so great that the only chance to avoid a big war is to prepare for it on the run now, because actually , why didn't the cold war turn into a big world war, but simply that they were ready for it... a big world war, and that's why the axis of evil at that time did not risked to start it, but the current axis of evil is looming precisely because the west relaxed and did not prepare for war for 30 years , and now it is necessary to make up for it, and this arms race has already started, and the entire western defense industry is now receiving, for the last one year, in western defense industry received more orders than in the previous 10 or 15 years, and this continues, on the contrary, the order is only increasing. production capacity is being increased, but the problem is that not everything can be solved only with money, that in addition, in addition to money, there is another matter called

time, and it is far from always possible to simply compensate for the lack of time with money, some things are very slow to recover, in particular , for example, this applies to the production of even ordinary ammunition, the same artillery shells, that is, for ripping, how did the west live before that, the annual norm of the army of france 7,000 artillery shells of 155 caliber. currently, the armed forces use from 8 to 10,000 155-caliber shells per day. now let's compare, let's say comparability by the size of the country, ukraine and france, and the annual rate and the daily rate. that is, roughly speaking, the cost and production of projectiles are currently 300 times less than what is needed for such a scale of wars. and, the west has only now come to its senses, because it has been 30 years since the fall of the railway. curtains, the west was convinced that it was not something like a global war, but simply in general such a

standard conventional war with more or less an enemy comparable in terms of technological level, it simply will never be again, but fukuyama told them then that history was over, and they believed it, and for 30 years all western armies were actually preparing only for colonial wars, for wars somewhere in the countries of the third world against which - some mujahideen on jeeps with machine guns. and here suddenly, instead of mujahideen on jeeps with machine guns , there is the so-called second army of the world, and somewhere behind, the ghost of possibly the first army of the world, at least in terms of the number of fighters, i.e. the chinese people’s army army, on the one hand, it is good that this understanding is emerging that a world war is either inevitable and it is necessary to prepare for it, or in order to avoid it after all, it is necessary to prepare for it on the run, but there is also a certain minus, because some of these voices sound on the topic that, and since tomorrow there may be a big global war, then let's not

scatter the heaps of reserves that we have, in particular, let's not scatter them on ukraine, and this is very serious, that when now in in the states , the question of who the first to give shells to us or to israel, and the american military, for example, when there was a question about the atakamsa, it was the only attack. when even the american military was not very happy to give them to us, before that only politicians were against it, and here the pentagon itself said, excuse me, we only have about a thousand of these attacks, and maybe tomorrow we will fight for taiwan with china, and this is really real problem, and we critically need to increase our own production of everything we are capable of producing and learn to produce what we are not yet capable of, you know, one old anecdote about how the lord announced that in a week there would be a worldwide flood, well, and accordingly, the russians

have been black-balling there all this last week, well, because there won’t be any more when there, the french are organizing huge orgies there, and the rebbe gathered the jews in the synagogue and said: well, what news did everyone hear? yes, everyone has heard, so you and i have exactly one week to learn to breathe underwater, so we most likely still have the 24th year, when we have everything, i am still an optimist, true or false, but will maintain roughly the current level of western support, this and that, i am still an optimist, but what will happen in the 25th, no one can predict for sure, and even, in a good version, we have the 24th year to learn to be self-sufficient during this time, and this is as critical a challenge now as it was a challenge not to give up at all, but to go out and shoot at orks from every corner in the spring of last year, but for now the next challenge of the same scale is to learn to provide for your army

and your front yourself. well, in the meantime , nato member countries should speed up the production of weapons for nato secretary general, jens stoltenberg, stated this, he spoke at a forum in front of representatives of the western military industry, he said that nato needs weapons to ensure peace and freedom, let's listen to what stoltenberg said. we need either huge stockpiles of weapons or huge spare production capacity for the rapid production and procurement of arms and munitions, both of which lead to high costs in peacetime, but are critically necessary for nato to be able to operate in in crisis conditions, for example, the war in ukraine, as they once said in the soviet union , if you want peace, prepare for war, well, that’s about it, and this is absolutely true, even though they also said this in the union, well, that’s the slogan, stop, by the way, and why

the union here? voxpasbem, it's actually the ancient romans, they said. well, then i, it’s just that the soviet union repeated it so often that i thought that it was the result of soviet propaganda, no , no, it was them, they took the ancient classics, you have to give credit, something clever, they knew how to learn from people, yes, yes, yes, and the main thing is to repeat it in the right way when they need it, mr. yevgeny, i want to ask you about one more story that concerns the ukrainian army, yuriy butusa, a well-known military correspondent and blogger, and other bloggers write that on october 20, the headquarters administration of the ground forces of the armed forces of ukraine sent an order marked with a deadline to all subordinate military units and units of all levels to provide information on members of the governing bodies of political parties who are mobilized to the ranks of the armed forces. why did the government start

collecting information about politicians at the front? well, the answer is so simple. yes, with all the deep, deep and sincere respect for butusov, but i don't understand why it's not obvious to him, but actually, people live so much only at the front that they don't see what's actually being reflected in the rear, in in the meantime, the verkhovna rada, at the request of the european union, adopted the law on the so-called politically influential persons , the english abbreviation pep, that is, the law on peps, anyone can just google the news about this law, by the way, the law itself really adopted strictly at the request of the eu, it was one of the critical conditions, uh, well, without which negotiations on accession will definitely not start with us, and another question is how exactly to prescribe this law, and here we cheated again, in my opinion, here we have once again contrived to justify the old proverb that

if you force a fool to pray, he will definitely break the crowbar, but now we are that fool who bangs his forehead on the floor with all his might, because the eu asked the law on politically influential persons, but excuse me, who do they consider to be, it was not prescribed by the eu, our council decided to be holier than the pope, and brought all living things that move at all to politically influential persons. in particular, any person who at least once in his life was a member of the governing body of any registered political party, he automatically becomes a pep, let me remind you that there are about 500 political parties registered in ukraine, the absolute majority of them have never had any representatives neither in the parliament nor in local councils, the absolute majority of them are generally further from some marginal circles for interests, or someone else's, let's say

private business projects, i never raised. and, accordingly, did not influence politics, well, i am silent about the fact that there are parties that, for example, 20 years ago may have had an influence, but they have been forgotten for a long time, but any person who during all the years of independence was at least once in politics party, is now a pep and is subject to increased financial monitoring, here and there , accordingly, in this case, the armed forces, as an institution that pays these people salaries, here it is and collects information about how much in of them to inform the banks about it, that's all, that's all betrayal, that is, sorry, but not betrayal, it's a pity if i disappointed someone, but there is no betrayal, but sorry, the word stupidity of legislators, occurs, not for the first time, to things, exactly the same thing happened with electronic declaration, there was a very interesting interview